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| 10:36.36 | sixwheeledbeast | maybe if we knew your issue we could help :) |
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| 13:43.53 | Apic | http://pix.apic.name - spot the 0Fnord. |
| 13:45.38 | Apic | http://pix.apic.name/1d.jpg - NOW spot the 0Fnord. |
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| 15:42.32 | StecKman | this is n9 with meego and the warehouse. when I try to install some packages, it complains that 'is not user package' |
| 15:43.39 | StecKman | hoe can I install those? |
| 15:43.50 | StecKman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:15.54 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05: do you know what it meens when the led on a N900 blinks red quicly when it is conected to the charger and after that dont do anything |
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| 16:24.30 | kerio | Agge: a problem with charging |
| 16:24.57 | Agge | yeah but is it a problem with the battery or the charger? |
| 16:25.08 | Agge | the phone do not start right now |
| 16:32.26 | Sicelo | read or amber? |
| 16:32.29 | Sicelo | *red |
| 16:34.53 | Agge | red |
| 16:41.29 | kerio | red flashes indicate some sort of problem i think |
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| 17:11.34 | Agge | kerio: yes that I know. what would be helpfull is what kind of problem |
| 17:15.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: usually battery dead |
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| 17:16.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably shorted |
| 17:17.04 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05: thank you. suspected that but dident know for sure. P.S. one of the batteries that come with one of the china N900s |
| 17:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | waitaminute |
| 17:17.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | testing |
| 17:19.03 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05: ? |
| 17:19.05 | sixwheeledbeast | I would suspect the battery, if you have multiple of any devices/batteries/chargers you can easily diagnose this. |
| 17:19.57 | Agge | actualy a one of the friends that I got one of the china phones that have the problem. but we vill test with an other battery |
| 17:23.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | a plain massive short on the two power pins of phone batt connector doesn't do anything yet. Adding random "BSI resistor" (with wet finger ;-D ) makes LED shine *green* |
| 17:24.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously all that gets handles by NOLO, since nothing else is fast enough and smart enough to do that stuff |
| 17:24.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/dles/dled/ |
| 17:25.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever NOLO thinks is wrong with battery, will make it cause red flashing |
| 17:25.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | too high series impedance (very old broken battery) might be a probably cause |
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| 17:27.44 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05: that reminds me the china N900 I got from Ebay the charger for them have the same serial number and the one I opened was realy a low quality chip |
| 17:29.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, sure. Overvoltage on USB *might* be another reason for NOLO to flash red |
| 17:30.39 | kerio | just don't buy cheap stuff with regards to batteries or chargers |
| 17:31.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | all this at least conveniently explains why Nokia never dared to opensource NOLO, it's basically an augmented BME in this regard, so same concerns apply |
| 17:31.59 | Agge | yeah but the low quality charger have not been used for several weeks |
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| 17:40.47 | Agge | NOLD? |
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| 18:05.27 | hxka | DocScrutinizer05: What concerns? |
| 18:05.58 | hxka | Agge: NOkia LOader |
| 18:07.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | hxka: "providing source of BME creates liability for hackers blowing up their bollocks with exploding batteries" |
| 18:07.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | hxka: which of course is 100% BS, since N900 not even in hardware can make battery blow up |
| 18:09.02 | dos1 | and even without that, it's BS anyway, as not providing source would be actually more dangerous, as there will be always someone willing to RE that blob and reimplement it |
| 18:09.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that probably been cargo cult caution at Nokia's side. No real clue how BME works (thanks to outsourcing), and been bitten by a callback of 46mio batteries |
| 18:09.17 | dos1 | with source it would be much easier for him to avoid any possible dangers :P |
| 18:10.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: we used that argument several times, but to no success. Sth inside Nokia forbid any movement in that question, possibly again outsourcing which maybe came with some sort of liability the subcontractor accepted. And Nokia not willing to risk this |
| 18:12.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | think: "Hitachi not only buolds LiIon cells, they also provide charging knowhow, and warranty that their cells behave - *only* when nobody touches the charger they provide" |
| 18:13.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | builds* |
| 18:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | or make Hitachi Mitsubishi |
| 18:13.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | or seiko |
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| 18:13.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | you name it |
| 18:16.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | but heck, Nokia even outright refused to tell us about *parameters* needed for sane charging, like max I, max U, max Temp etc |
| 18:17.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | which gives a strong indication that they most likely had no clue themselves about it |
| 18:18.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | some nokia affiliate once told me he had a look into BME sources and it made his eyes bleed badly |
| 18:19.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm more than conviced about that, given I seen bme accessing register #40 of a chip that has six registers |
| 18:19.38 | kerio | it's a secret register |
| 18:19.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | no it's not, I checked that |
| 18:20.00 | kerio | it's a REALLY secret register |
| 18:20.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's siply a mirrored addr of one of the 6 existing registers |
| 18:20.25 | kerio | anyway, pali's bme is sane |
| 18:20.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, pali's bme is based on my specs how it must work |
| 18:20.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
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| 21:04.33 | ShadowJK | re n900 blowing up. is that a challenge? :-) |
| 21:05.37 | ShadowJK | iirc the original bl-5j used a samsung cell, 4.2V .7C recommended rate |
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| 22:28.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't make that thing blow up with a bq24150 |
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| 22:30.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually it's pretty hard to make a *good* cell blow up at all. Those that _can_ blow up will likely do so on most loving gentle treatment as well, sooner or later |
| 22:31.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | filtering out proper emails from a SEPA/IBAN transfer's comment/reference textfield that severely got garbled for each single transaction, that's *real* funĀ” |
| 22:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | som eotherRubbishjoerg openmo ko.or gmorerubb ishblablab labla |
| 22:34.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you spot the joerg(AT)openmoko.org part? Why not? ;-P :-S |
| 22:35.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E "@" gets replaced by a space, and other spaces/newlines get removed, and finally random other spaces inserted |
| 22:36.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | *SIGH* |
| 23:36.33 | ShadowJK | and capslock? |
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