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| 06:34.51 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: correctly driving the mux will be done by another (board specific?) driver, the problem is well known. BTW I have that fixed for 3.13 (iirc), but not with DT boot. However, once 3.16 is out, with most of the N900 stuff working, it will be the cameras and sound system next |
| 06:36.21 | freemangordon | ant there is another problem, with gpio-switch driver, we''l have to find a way to share gpios between it and device drivers. but that will be solved as well, I think about notifiers or links in sysfs |
| 06:38.18 | freemangordon | but in general I am very optimistic about N900/maemo and upstream kernel, still dunno what to think about Neo900. Though I usually want the HW in my hands before doing any development |
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| 10:44.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: look, now you get a hw that's tailored to your needs. So try to build a neo-fremantle and we will see how hw can support you |
| 10:51.30 | bencoh | neo-fremantle |
| 10:51.31 | bencoh | hmm |
| 10:52.14 | bencoh | btw those that mean we might have a mainline kernel working with maemo ? |
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| 12:26.34 | pdanek | Hey. |
| 12:26.58 | pdanek | On TMO, I registered, confirmed m email, yet I still don't have access to private messages, why? |
| 12:27.13 | javispedro | pdanek: I think you need to write a few posts beforehand |
| 12:27.19 | pdanek | How many? |
| 12:27.28 | javispedro | dunno, but probably 10 or so |
| 12:27.35 | pdanek | That's dumb. |
| 12:28.00 | javispedro | it's a way to make yourself visible to normal moderators before being able to spam everyone |
| 12:28.10 | uros1 | hi people where ti find flasher for N9 all links are dead |
| 12:28.21 | pdanek | I see. |
| 12:29.54 | freemangordon_ | ~flasher |
| 12:29.54 | infobot | hmm... flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 12:31.30 | uros1 | tnx arch links are just fine, i`m behind strict firewall in office |
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| 13:10.25 | RST38h | TIZEN! =) |
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| 13:16.51 | xes | RST38h: Tizen.. What? |
| 13:17.20 | RST38h | Apparently, released in a Samsung phone |
| 13:18.55 | teotwaki | RST38h: you mean it's another day that ends with a Y? |
| 13:19.08 | RST38h | In a way, yes |
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| 13:19.24 | RST38h | Slightly different and there is now at least a photo of the device |
| 13:20.12 | xes | RST38h: well, looking at the beginning of this new adventure... Tizen is already proposing itself in a "strange" way. Please go to http://repo.meego.com |
| 13:20.29 | xes | or some mirror: http://mirrors.kernel.org/meego.com |
| 13:22.06 | xes | oh... have you obtained a redirect or a 404? ...Yep everything has been cleared/removed/redirected, every single bit |
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| 13:26.13 | RST38h | xes: It is Samsung - they do not really relate to developers in any meaningful way, I guess |
| 13:26.16 | RST38h | Do not know how |
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| 13:32.31 | xes | RST38h: who, samsung or intel? ...just a note: https://source.tizen.org/documentation/source-code-reviewers |
| 13:33.49 | RST38h | intel no longer doing anything meaningful on tizen afaik |
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| 15:29.51 | erlehmann | yay http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTcwNzY |
| 15:29.53 | erlehmann | \o/ |
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| 16:02.23 | Maxdamantus | Ironic picture. |
| 16:02.41 | Maxdamantus | Kernel: 2.6.28-omap1 |
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| 16:19.41 | ZogG_laptop | javispedro: hey |
| 16:19.46 | ZogG_laptop | pdanek: :P |
| 16:19.54 | javispedro | hey ZogG_laptop |
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| 16:29.11 | ZogG_laptop | javispedro: i have few questions about metawatch and BLE |
| 16:29.18 | javispedro | ok, shoot |
| 16:29.24 | javispedro | I have around half an hour left :) |
| 16:29.41 | ZogG_laptop | lemme think thru so i wouldn't show up as an idiot with too stupid questions |
| 16:29.47 | ZogG_laptop | though i would at the end :P |
| 16:29.59 | javispedro | everyone is a newbie at some point, I don't care. |
| 16:30.29 | javispedro | (and besides, I am hardly an expert.....) |
| 16:30.37 | ZogG_laptop | so there is GATT which is bluetooth but it doesn't mean it's BLE right? |
| 16:30.45 | javispedro | GATT is supposed to be a protocol |
| 16:31.01 | javispedro | you can speak it over a BLE channel or over a normal "classic" bluetooth channel |
| 16:31.18 | javispedro | but it was obviously designed to be used over BLE and most devices use it only for BLE |
| 16:31.28 | ZogG_laptop | classic is 2.1 right? or what was the version |
| 16:31.33 | javispedro | yep |
| 16:31.36 | ZogG_laptop | it's spp or how it's called |
| 16:31.37 | javispedro | anything < 3.0 |
| 16:31.51 | javispedro | i'ts called BDR |
| 16:31.56 | javispedro | basic data rate or sth like that |
| 16:31.58 | ZogG_laptop | i heard that one |
| 16:32.01 | javispedro | SPP is something else |
| 16:32.15 | ZogG_laptop | what is spp than? |
| 16:32.16 | javispedro | SPP is "serial port profile", which is a specification for how a bluetooth device should emulate a serial port |
| 16:32.17 | ZogG_laptop | then* |
| 16:32.35 | javispedro | this specification says among other things that |
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| 16:32.45 | ZogG_laptop | so to use BLE for metawatch with bb10 |
| 16:32.50 | ZogG_laptop | i need to connect to device |
| 16:32.50 | javispedro | you should use a protocol called RFCOMM and expose some IDs over blablabla |
| 16:33.09 | ZogG_laptop | when i connect there is difference between connections |
| 16:33.18 | ZogG_laptop | i mean if it would be used with BLE or not |
| 16:33.27 | ZogG_laptop | or there is no difference and connection is the same |
| 16:34.09 | ZogG_laptop | because as i understood from example of metawatch i do init bluetoothdevice |
| 16:34.13 | ZogG_laptop | init ble |
| 16:34.30 | ZogG_laptop | and than i try to connect to 0x8880 of metawatch |
| 16:35.18 | ZogG_laptop | i just don't get the flow |
| 16:35.26 | ZogG_laptop | and i do not get who is server and who is client |
| 16:36.09 | javispedro | so |
| 16:36.18 | javispedro | you should use GATT over BLE :) |
| 16:36.30 | javispedro | with the phone being central (or client) |
| 16:36.37 | javispedro | and the watch being peripheral (or server) |
| 16:36.52 | javispedro | if you scan for GATT services in metawatch, |
| 16:36.56 | javispedro | you will find service 0x8880 |
| 16:37.03 | ZogG_laptop | i don't actually |
| 16:37.14 | javispedro | so you are currently stuck before that? |
| 16:37.18 | ZogG_laptop | i do see it from laptop |
| 16:37.23 | javispedro | oh |
| 16:37.25 | ZogG_laptop | with some command line tool |
| 16:37.30 | javispedro | gatttool |
| 16:37.32 | ZogG_laptop | but not from BB10 |
| 16:37.38 | ZogG_laptop | exactly this one |
| 16:37.47 | javispedro | but that guy from BB did see service 0x8880 at some point, from the screenshots |
| 16:37.52 | javispedro | he even mentioned it |
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| 16:37.59 | javispedro | tbh I don't understand in which kind of mess they are. |
| 16:38.03 | ZogG_laptop | no idea what fw he has |
| 16:38.12 | javispedro | get the latest, 1.5.3, just in case. |
| 16:38.22 | ZogG_laptop | he is one of blackberry workers and works with bluetooth a lot :P |
| 16:38.29 | ZogG_laptop | i do have 1.5.3 |
| 16:38.55 | ZogG_laptop | i try to connect to 8880 even if i don't see it and i get error :O |
| 16:39.11 | javispedro | don't try to connect if you can't scan for services, it's pointless |
| 16:39.16 | javispedro | it probably means something is broken beforehand |
| 16:39.43 | ZogG_laptop | i'm not sure if it's my z10 or what. as i do can connect from jolla |
| 16:40.05 | ZogG_laptop | as well he told he has the same device /fw on phone |
| 16:40.09 | ZogG_laptop | but i'm not sure |
| 16:40.16 | ZogG_laptop | as he has internal phone and fw |
| 16:40.18 | javispedro | so was he able to get it work "again"? |
| 16:40.29 | ZogG_laptop | didn't talk to him anymore |
| 16:40.37 | ZogG_laptop | i'll ping him on tweeter |
| 16:40.47 | ZogG_laptop | s/tweeter/twitter/ |
| 16:40.58 | javispedro | just in case |
| 16:41.06 | javispedro | by server I mean the one "exposing the services" |
| 16:41.16 | javispedro | and by client I mean the one who is making the requests |
| 16:41.24 | ZogG_laptop | as i understand by server i do requests and get answers |
| 16:41.39 | javispedro | so we have a contradiction there? :) |
| 16:41.40 | ZogG_laptop | so we are on the same page |
| 16:41.46 | ZogG_laptop | nope |
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| 16:42.03 | ZogG_laptop | i mean requests to server and answers from it :P |
| 16:42.08 | javispedro | client ------get_services()-----> server |
| 16:42.21 | javispedro | client <---I have service 0x8880----- server |
| 16:42.29 | ZogG_laptop | yeah |
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| 16:42.33 | ZogG_laptop | i get only one service |
| 16:42.43 | ZogG_laptop | which is spp |
| 16:42.47 | ZogG_laptop | or how it's called |
| 16:42.47 | javispedro | weird |
| 16:42.50 | ZogG_laptop | 1110 |
| 16:42.58 | javispedro | SPP can only be used from BDR/classic bluetooth |
| 16:43.17 | ZogG_laptop | that's what i do not want |
| 16:43.24 | javispedro | can you force connecting to a device via BLE instead of SPP? |
| 16:43.28 | ZogG_laptop | as well i do not want to calculate crc :P |
| 16:43.36 | javispedro | ie something like bt_gatt_connect_ble(address) :P |
| 16:43.42 | ZogG_laptop | i do that |
| 16:43.54 | ZogG_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.37 | javispedro | and what's the result of that? |
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| 16:44.54 | ZogG_laptop | error 47 |
| 16:45.01 | ZogG_laptop | i also have bt_disc_retrieve_by_service_gatt |
| 16:45.07 | javispedro | do you know what 47 means? :) |
| 16:45.11 | ZogG_laptop | which would return the "array" of services |
| 16:45.15 | ZogG_laptop | no idea |
| 16:45.24 | ZogG_laptop | it's internal bb error i think |
| 16:45.44 | javispedro | maybe EAFNOSUPPORT Address family not supported? |
| 16:46.06 | ZogG_laptop | something with not supported |
| 16:46.09 | ZogG_laptop | lemme try now |
| 16:46.13 | javispedro | I'm not sure if blackberry err numbers are the same as BSD's |
| 16:46.23 | javispedro | or if that number is even a errno to begin with |
| 16:46.36 | ZogG_laptop | 48 (Not supported) |
| 16:46.41 | javispedro | but in any case if you are doing that and it does not work it seems like a blackberry bug |
| 16:47.08 | ZogG_laptop | all services i see are service: 0x1101 |
| 16:47.16 | javispedro | you may also use https://gitorious.org/gato/test-mw/source/1964cacb884b2a47a57b173f3ad15889b82a14ce:metawatchbletransport.cpp |
| 16:47.22 | ZogG_laptop | javispedro: does jolla expose ble services btw? |
| 16:47.32 | ZogG_laptop | as i can try to check jolla services from bbb10 |
| 16:47.34 | javispedro | ZogG_laptop: Jolla has no BLE API at all I had to implement my own |
| 16:47.51 | javispedro | ZogG_laptop: nah, on stock jolla there's no GATT server even. |
| 16:48.04 | ZogG_laptop | i just want to be sure that it's not hw bug at my device but bb10 bug |
| 16:48.17 | ZogG_laptop | i have z1 compact (android) |
| 16:48.25 | javispedro | some devices that I know are BLE only .. |
| 16:48.30 | javispedro | the microsoft arc touch mouse.. |
| 16:48.36 | ZogG_laptop | not sure if there is anything else that supports BLE in my house :( |
| 16:48.39 | javispedro | the adonit jot script.. |
| 16:48.51 | ZogG_laptop | i have no of those |
| 16:49.05 | javispedro | I can't think of any other right now.. |
| 16:49.20 | ZogG_laptop | android phones? any idea? |
| 16:49.22 | javispedro | do you have an iphone? |
| 16:49.27 | javispedro | no idea about android |
| 16:49.35 | javispedro | but some people commented about an iOS app |
| 16:49.40 | javispedro | maybe there's sth for android |
| 16:49.43 | ZogG_laptop | no iphone |
| 16:49.54 | javispedro | (I want to do android BLE tests at some point this week but I haven't prepared so far) |
| 16:49.57 | ZogG_laptop | i have laptop with 4.0 dongle |
| 16:50.08 | ZogG_laptop | not sure how to run services on it though |
| 16:50.15 | javispedro | and I presume gatttool works OK to connect to your MW there? |
| 16:50.26 | ZogG_laptop | not tried to |
| 16:50.33 | ZogG_laptop | but i see 8880 |
| 16:50.39 | javispedro | so it works |
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| 16:51.20 | javispedro | btw, what's service 0x1110 you mentioned above? |
| 16:51.44 | javispedro | I don't think metawatch actually exposes that even via BDR |
| 16:52.36 | ZogG_laptop | i have it with BLE i think |
| 16:52.40 | ZogG_laptop | which would be wierd |
| 16:52.45 | javispedro | very weird |
| 16:52.51 | ZogG_laptop | ok |
| 16:52.54 | ZogG_laptop | it's GATT |
| 16:53.04 | ZogG_laptop | bt_disc_retrieve_by_service_gatt |
| 16:53.19 | ZogG_laptop | maybe i should try to connect to it :P |
| 16:53.20 | javispedro | it may be misparsing the announcements.. |
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| 16:54.00 | javispedro | what |
| 16:54.01 | ZogG_laptop | my bad |
| 16:54.06 | ZogG_laptop | it's not |
| 16:54.18 | ZogG_laptop | bt_rdev_get_services returns it |
| 16:54.42 | javispedro | ignore that one, it's clearly BDR |
| 16:55.19 | javispedro | basically I'd say your problem is with bt_gatt_connect returning a bogus error |
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| 16:55.39 | javispedro | try to figure out if there's a debuglog where it may show something.. |
| 16:56.06 | javispedro | the blackberry guys seem to have problems spelling out bluetooth UUIDs |
| 16:56.16 | javispedro | 0xF0000000-0451-4000-B000-000000000000 doesn't look good. |
| 16:56.27 | javispedro | (in doc here: http://developer.blackberry.com/native/reference/core/com.qnx.doc.bluetooth.lib_ref/topic/bt_gatt_connect_service.html ) |
| 16:56.55 | javispedro | also try to figure out if the return value you get is one of those errnos. |
| 16:57.27 | ZogG_laptop | i just wonder if it's my phone or it's OS itself |
| 16:57.27 | javispedro | my half hour is up, I gotta go! |
| 16:57.37 | javispedro | ZogG_laptop: I doubt a hardware problem could cause this |
| 16:57.46 | javispedro | ZogG_laptop: bluetooth working with BLE specifically failing |
| 16:58.05 | javispedro | ZogG_laptop: it's a sw issue and BB guys have no idea about it :) |
| 16:59.06 | javispedro | ZogG_laptop: if you have an applestore nearby try to see if you can scan and connect to one of their iBeacons =) |
| 16:59.11 | javispedro | they are also BLE devices! |
| 16:59.40 | ZogG_laptop | not getting my foot in :P |
| 16:59.49 | javispedro | well, gotta go |
| 17:00.01 | javispedro | good luck! |
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