| 00:05.29 | mtnman | can anyone tell me why gst-launch has disappeared from my system? |
| 00:05.49 | mtnman | has it been upgraded or has the named otherwise changed? |
| 00:07.28 | mtnman | help |
| 00:07.35 | mtnman | oops |
| 00:33.45 | *** join/#maemo APTX (~APTX@unaffiliated/aptx) |
| 01:11.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 01:20.58 | *** join/#maemo geaaru (~geaaru@95.237.169.84) |
| 01:30.14 | *** join/#maemo Humpelstilzchen (erik@f054098032.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 01:37.49 | *** join/#maemo robbiethe1st (~robbiethe@50.107.27.208) |
| 02:01.51 | *** join/#maemo silviof1 (~silviof@unaffiliated/silviof) |
| 02:06.41 | *** join/#maemo bef0rd (~bef0rd@unaffiliated/beford) |
| 02:12.56 | *** join/#maemo cyborg-one (~cyborg-on@37.203.28.47) |
| 02:42.46 | *** join/#maemo disco_stu_droid (~wrt54gl@190.211.82.70) |
| 02:58.05 | *** join/#maemo janemba (~101@unaffiliated/janemba) |
| 03:02.10 | *** join/#maemo lxp (~lxp@194-166-220-84.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 03:03.05 | *** join/#maemo janemba (~101@unaffiliated/janemba) |
| 03:08.07 | *** join/#maemo janemba (~101@unaffiliated/janemba) |
| 03:16.46 | *** join/#maemo FlameReaper (~assassin@115.133.217.60) |
| 03:19.29 | *** join/#maemo janemba (~101@unaffiliated/janemba) |
| 03:21.02 | *** join/#maemo Gh0sty (~ghosty@fosdem/staff/gh0sty) |
| 03:31.08 | *** join/#maemo maybeArgh (~cl@p5790F060.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:07.41 | *** join/#maemo okias (~okias@berger.cust.centro-net.cz) |
| 04:16.47 | *** join/#maemo t3st3r (~t3st3r@gateway/tor-sasl/t3st3r) |
| 04:26.00 | *** join/#maemo SAiF (73769cc4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.115.118.156.196) |
| 04:28.51 | *** join/#maemo janemba (~101@unaffiliated/janemba) |
| 04:33.49 | *** join/#maemo amizraa (~amizraa@gateway/tor-sasl/amizraa) |
| 04:50.39 | *** join/#maemo wjt (sid20780@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-seoyjuzhcovrwdqk) |
| 04:50.59 | *** join/#maemo protem (~protem@unaffiliated/protem) |
| 05:06.39 | *** join/#maemo janemba (~101@unaffiliated/janemba) |
| 05:16.19 | *** join/#maemo maybeHere (~cl@p5B161D8E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 05:19.00 | *** join/#maemo VDVsx (~VDVsx@192.194.199.34) |
| 05:34.14 | *** join/#maemo jormungandr (~xxx@213.23.120.114) |
| 05:42.16 | *** join/#maemo maybeWTF (~cl@p5790F1E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 06:21.32 | *** join/#maemo LauRoman (~LauRoman@5-14-87-254.residential.rdsnet.ro) |
| 06:40.00 | *** join/#maemo e-yes (~e-yes@223.204.76.146) |
| 06:40.18 | *** join/#maemo hxka (~hxka@128-69-131-147.broadband.corbina.ru) |
| 06:52.29 | *** join/#maemo mkaindl (~mkaindl@ama-dablam.markus-kaindl.de) |
| 07:00.27 | *** join/#maemo amospalla (~amospalla@unaffiliated/amospalla) |
| 07:06.58 | *** join/#maemo grinsekatze (~andreas@unaffiliated/grinsekatze) |
| 07:14.23 | *** join/#maemo bef0rd (~bef0rd@unaffiliated/beford) |
| 07:18.16 | sixwheeledbeast | 2300 will be pointless, 2038 is the maximum POSIX time |
| 07:21.48 | *** part/#maemo mkaindl (~mkaindl@ama-dablam.markus-kaindl.de) |
| 07:23.04 | *** join/#maemo janemba (~101@unaffiliated/janemba) |
| 07:35.06 | Tekk_ | sixwheeledbeast: is that actually still the case? |
| 07:35.21 | Tekk_ | I figured that people would actually be switching the typedef over to 64 bit by now |
| 07:38.59 | *** join/#maemo stef_204 (~kvirc@dyn.83-228-191-044.dsl.vtx.ch) |
| 07:39.07 | *** join/#maemo stef_204 (~kvirc@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) |
| 07:40.14 | *** join/#maemo FlameReaper (~assassin@115.133.217.60) |
| 07:58.50 | *** join/#maemo janemba (~101@unaffiliated/janemba) |
| 08:00.15 | *** join/#maemo N-Mi (~nicolas@calvix/staff/N-Mi) |
| 08:03.48 | *** join/#maemo eMHa__ (~mh@HSI-KBW-046-005-002-047.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 08:05.16 | *** join/#maemo Kabouik (~quassel@147.99.218.243) |
| 08:05.36 | *** join/#maemo geaaru (~geaaru@host170-152-static.43-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 08:09.16 | *** join/#maemo AD-N770 (~jep@o.bcn.fluendo.net) |
| 08:11.42 | *** join/#maemo maybeArgh (~cl@p5B160803.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 08:14.35 | *** join/#maemo goldkatze (~nobody@unaffiliated/goldkatze) |
| 08:17.31 | *** join/#maemo arcean (~arcean@apn-95-41-28-53.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl) |
| 08:21.39 | *** join/#maemo remarc (~sequantz@194.11.24.44) |
| 08:21.49 | *** join/#maemo remarc (~sequantz@194.11.24.44) |
| 08:28.48 | kerio | it's been 64bit for most systems for a while now |
| 08:30.29 | Humpelstilzchen | not on maemo.. |
| 08:31.32 | kerio | eeeh |
| 08:31.36 | kerio | just recompile shit |
| 08:37.07 | silviof | is this enough only to recompile? You need a update of glibc and (maybe) kernel etc |
| 08:37.26 | kerio | recompile everything |
| 08:37.38 | kerio | except the closed bits |
| 08:37.44 | kerio | fuck the closed bits |
| 08:49.25 | *** join/#maemo shentey (~shentey@nrbg-4dbf3fd3.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 08:55.33 | *** join/#maemo shentey (~shentey@nrbg-4dbf3fd3.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 08:55.34 | *** join/#maemo maybeHere (~cl@p5B163A2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:03.45 | *** join/#maemo maybeWTF (~cl@p5B162531.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:04.56 | *** join/#maemo zGrr (~G@37.30.18.167.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl) |
| 09:05.06 | zGrr | moin :) |
| 09:06.03 | *** join/#maemo shentey (~shentey@nrbg-4dbf3fd3.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 09:09.10 | *** join/#maemo jon_y (~enforcer@2001:e68:4053:ff4c:e01f:8e6d:cdca:d0e5) |
| 09:10.10 | *** join/#maemo maybeArgh (~cl@p5B163DD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:14.48 | *** join/#maemo scoobertron (~tom@66.172.11.27) |
| 09:18.08 | *** join/#maemo Milhouse (~Milhouse@Maemo/community/contributor/Milhouse) |
| 09:18.29 | *** join/#maemo wjt (sid20780@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cmozxaculvngzzae) |
| 09:21.27 | *** join/#maemo cyborg-o1e (~cyborg-on@79-140-2-174.broadband.tenet.odessa.ua) |
| 09:26.15 | *** join/#maemo amizraa (~amizraa@gateway/tor-sasl/amizraa) |
| 09:29.46 | *** join/#maemo FlameReaper (~assassin@183.171.161.165) |
| 09:42.53 | *** join/#maemo Milhouse (~Milhouse@Maemo/community/contributor/Milhouse) |
| 09:43.59 | *** join/#maemo mkaindl (~mkaindl@ama-dablam.markus-kaindl.de) |
| 09:51.19 | *** join/#maemo timeless (sid4015@firefox/developer/timeless) |
| 09:59.09 | *** join/#maemo mhlavink_afk (quassel@nat/redhat/x-qizntcwrvpuefepo) |
| 10:03.38 | *** join/#maemo Milhouse (~Milhouse@Maemo/community/contributor/Milhouse) |
| 10:04.03 | *** part/#maemo mkaindl (~mkaindl@ama-dablam.markus-kaindl.de) |
| 10:08.44 | *** join/#maemo mhlavink_afk (quassel@nat/redhat/x-osaiderjvwtukoys) |
| 10:14.20 | *** join/#maemo psycho_oreos (~tuxsavvy@unaffiliated/tuxsavvy) |
| 10:38.45 | *** join/#maemo Milhouse (~Milhouse@Maemo/community/contributor/Milhouse) |
| 11:12.18 | *** join/#maemo mhlavink (quassel@nat/redhat/x-whgspsozjezdohcp) |
| 11:16.36 | *** join/#maemo Milhouse (~Milhouse@Maemo/community/contributor/Milhouse) |
| 11:17.25 | *** join/#maemo maybeHere (~cl@p5B160903.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:28.28 | *** join/#maemo janemba (~101@unaffiliated/janemba) |
| 11:28.39 | *** join/#maemo freemangordon_ (~ivo@printec.bg) |
| 11:33.29 | *** join/#maemo mkaindl (~mkaindl@ama-dablam.markus-kaindl.de) |
| 11:35.54 | *** part/#maemo mkaindl (~mkaindl@ama-dablam.markus-kaindl.de) |
| 11:41.31 | *** join/#maemo jas4711 (~jas@2001:16d8:ff9c:0:f2de:f1ff:fe16:509b) |
| 11:43.15 | *** join/#maemo HtheB (50652855@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.101.40.85) |
| 11:44.52 | *** join/#maemo at1as (~at1as@kurios.r4780y.com) |
| 11:55.41 | *** join/#maemo Gizmokid2005 (~Gizmokid2@dedi1.gizmokid2005.com) |
| 11:59.26 | *** join/#maemo e-yes (~e-yes@223.204.76.146) |
| 12:07.47 | *** join/#maemo FlameReaper (~assassin@198.193.48.60.klj02-home.tm.net.my) |
| 12:19.39 | *** join/#maemo jmlich (jmlich@nat/redhat/x-guzvqngkiaqxirwq) |
| 12:22.42 | *** join/#maemo goldkatze (~nobody@unaffiliated/goldkatze) |
| 12:23.14 | *** join/#maemo Guest92299 (~FIQ@fiq.se) |
| 12:25.35 | *** join/#maemo brolin_empey (~brolin@brolin.be) |
| 12:27.22 | *** join/#maemo jmlich (jmlich@nat/redhat/x-syekolbqlknweilb) |
| 12:30.05 | *** join/#maemo arcean (~arcean@apn-95-40-208-231.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl) |
| 12:33.22 | *** join/#maemo jmlich (jmlich@nat/redhat/x-lugoresobwdhdujs) |
| 12:41.04 | *** join/#maemo silviof1 (~silviof@unaffiliated/silviof) |
| 12:41.09 | *** join/#maemo zGrr (~G@46.205.110.14.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl) |
| 12:42.52 | *** join/#maemo brolin_empey (~brolin@brolin.be) |
| 13:00.35 | *** join/#maemo brolin_empey (~brolin@brolin.be) |
| 13:06.12 | *** join/#maemo zGrr (~G@46.205.110.14.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl) |
| 13:10.06 | *** join/#maemo brolin_empey (~brolin@brolin.be) |
| 13:12.04 | *** join/#maemo mkaindl (~mkaindl@ama-dablam.markus-kaindl.de) |
| 13:21.31 | *** join/#maemo Guest92299 (~FIQ@prgmr/customer/fiq) |
| 13:25.39 | *** join/#maemo zGrr (~G@178.181.130.42.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl) |
| 13:32.19 | *** part/#maemo mkaindl (~mkaindl@ama-dablam.markus-kaindl.de) |
| 13:34.58 | *** join/#maemo mkaindl (~mkaindl@ama-dablam.markus-kaindl.de) |
| 13:40.50 | *** join/#maemo RiD (kamisakea@bl22-51-118.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 13:44.10 | *** join/#maemo MohammadAG (~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG) |
| 13:49.25 | *** join/#maemo mavhc (~mavhc@cpc65310-basf8-2-0-cust204.12-3.cable.virginm.net) |
| 13:51.44 | *** join/#maemo javispedro (~javier@69.Red-80-32-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:51.44 | *** join/#maemo javispedro (~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro) |
| 13:59.11 | *** part/#maemo mkaindl (~mkaindl@ama-dablam.markus-kaindl.de) |
| 14:11.46 | *** join/#maemo mkaindl (~mkaindl@ama-dablam.markus-kaindl.de) |
| 14:12.01 | *** part/#maemo mkaindl (~mkaindl@ama-dablam.markus-kaindl.de) |
| 14:12.46 | *** join/#maemo mkaindl (~mkaindl@ama-dablam.markus-kaindl.de) |
| 14:13.53 | *** join/#maemo FlameReaper (~assassin@198.193.48.60.klj02-home.tm.net.my) |
| 14:23.35 | *** join/#maemo |stef_204| (~kvirc@dyn.144-85-143-223.dsl.vtx.ch) |
| 14:26.24 | *** part/#maemo mkaindl (~mkaindl@ama-dablam.markus-kaindl.de) |
| 14:27.14 | *** join/#maemo _stef_204_ (~kvirc@dyn.83-228-180-188.dsl.vtx.ch) |
| 14:28.54 | *** join/#maemo stef_204 (~kvirc@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) |
| 14:35.19 | *** part/#maemo freemangordon_ (~ivo@printec.bg) |
| 14:42.05 | *** join/#maemo erlehmann (~erlehmann@82.113.106.230) |
| 14:43.58 | sixwheeledbeast | It's the closed bits that are the issue. |
| 14:45.55 | *** join/#maemo BCMM (~BCMM@unaffiliated/bcmm) |
| 14:48.13 | Tekk_ | maemo doesn't matter with this |
| 14:48.19 | Tekk_ | strictly speaking of course :P |
| 14:48.32 | Tekk_ | unless people are going to still be using their n900s in 2038 |
| 14:48.49 | Tekk_ | even neo900 should be 64 bit time friendly shouldn't it? |
| 14:49.11 | Humpelstilzchen | neo900 gehts a 64 bit cpu now? |
| 14:49.20 | Tekk_ | (I assume that we won't *happen* to have prebuilt binaries for the new cpu) |
| 14:49.34 | Tekk_ | Humpelstilzchen: try "long long" on your 32 bit cpu |
| 14:49.34 | Tekk_ | it gets you a 64 bit number |
| 14:49.55 | Humpelstilzchen | which needs more then one register.. |
| 14:50.05 | Tekk_ | which you can do |
| 14:50.21 | Tekk_ | you just do the equivalent of e_x on i386 |
| 14:50.28 | Tekk_ | one register is the low portion, one register is the high portion |
| 14:51.31 | Humpelstilzchen | and guess how much software is parsing time_t to int |
| 14:51.51 | Humpelstilzchen | time_t in a struct will also fail |
| 14:52.05 | Humpelstilzchen | 64bit will break alignment |
| 14:52.30 | Tekk_ | Humpelstilzchen: which is why things need to be recompiled |
| 14:52.38 | Tekk_ | you don't think that this stuff is handled upstream by now? |
| 14:53.12 | Humpelstilzchen | no, not enough 64 bit ARMs |
| 14:53.23 | Tekk_ | but that's the magical thing |
| 14:53.40 | Tekk_ | pretty much everything that runs on maemo prefers running on x86 |
| 14:53.47 | Tekk_ | which has been 64 bit friendly for over a decade |
| 14:58.14 | *** join/#maemo javispedro (~javier@69.Red-80-32-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:58.14 | *** join/#maemo javispedro (~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro) |
| 15:21.37 | *** join/#maemo javispedro (~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro) |
| 15:25.25 | meik | hmm DocScrutinizer05, actually my problem with my screen blinking (yesterday) isn't really fixed by disassembling the device. I don't have any syslog file in /var/log, only dmesg filled with "kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open" (and closed) |
| 15:25.47 | meik | slide events (GPIO 71) are normal, when I open/close the lid |
| 15:27.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 15:27.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | your lockswitch is broken |
| 15:28.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and dimming the screen is one natural thing tk_lock does |
| 15:28.46 | meik | hmm the lockswitch okay |
| 15:29.14 | meik | is there a way to tell maemo to ignore events sent by this switch ? |
| 15:29.45 | Tekk_ | maybe it has its own driver which can be added to modules.blacklist? |
| 15:30.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | please check channel backscroll and log, I answered this question some week(?) ago, the guy was able to work around broken lockswitch iirc |
| 15:30.39 | *** join/#maemo janemba (~101@unaffiliated/janemba) |
| 15:30.44 | meik | I wasn't on this chan before yesterday, but if there is a log somewhere, I will be very glad to read it |
| 15:31.06 | meik | found |
| 15:31.14 | meik | my irssi title bar wasn't long enough |
| 15:31.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | there seems to be a pretty simple /sys/bla/foo/bar/gpio113/enable node (or similar name), which takes 0 as an argument |
| 15:31.33 | meik | okay thx |
| 15:31.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 15:33.38 | *** join/#maemo dhbiker (~dhbiker@95.87.145.172) |
| 15:34.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-05-04 Sun 15:26:18] <vdv> DocScrutinizer05, where should i put "echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/kb_lock/disable" now? not in rcS, right? ) |
| 15:35.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | all hail to 9999 lines of backscroll |
| 15:35.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | meik: ^^^ |
| 15:36.23 | *** join/#maemo javispedro (~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro) |
| 15:36.38 | sixwheeledbeast | ~phonecontrol |
| 15:36.39 | infobot | somebody said phonecontrol was http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
| 15:37.39 | sixwheeledbeast | hmm it's not on there... |
| 15:37.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: ?? |
| 15:38.01 | sixwheeledbeast | dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_start_manual_vibration int32:250 int32:3000 |
| 15:38.29 | sixwheeledbeast | anybody know what each int does? |
| 15:38.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | amplitude, duration ? |
| 15:38.53 | sixwheeledbeast | guessing m/s of something |
| 15:39.07 | javispedro | speed -255,255 |
| 15:39.11 | javispedro | duration in milliseconds |
| 15:39.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | spee -255, awesome ;-P |
| 15:39.30 | javispedro | [-255..255] I mean |
| 15:39.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi javispedro!!!!! |
| 15:39.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | heck, long time no see |
| 15:39.45 | javispedro | hi |
| 15:40.02 | *** join/#maemo okias (~okias@berger.cust.centro-net.cz) |
| 15:40.31 | meik | thx DocScrutinizer05 :) |
| 15:40.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 15:41.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | meik: you don't by any chance own vdv's device now? |
| 15:42.12 | meik | haha nope |
| 15:42.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, then it seems we have another systematic weak spot / point of failure in N900 |
| 15:43.09 | meik | it started behaving that way a few weeks ago, but since it's not my main phone, I didn't bother |
| 15:43.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is good to know about, in case somebody plans to build a device with a similar switch |
| 15:44.31 | meik | yep, I've seen that there is a "neo900" which is planned |
| 15:44.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw I guess holding device face/screen down should "fix" the broken switch |
| 15:45.24 | bencoh | ? |
| 15:46.06 | bencoh | the hallswitch ? |
| 15:46.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm prolly not, the switch already *is* "upside down" when screen facing up |
| 15:47.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: this is about lockswitch |
| 15:47.15 | bencoh | oh |
| 15:47.28 | sixwheeledbeast | Yep, thanks, speed maximum 255 and duration in m/s |
| 15:47.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: sure thing |
| 15:48.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: interested in Neo900? |
| 15:48.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | we could use a gifted hacker like you |
| 15:49.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | "we" probably is "fptf" here |
| 15:49.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf |
| 15:49.45 | infobot | i guess fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 15:50.11 | *** join/#maemo FlameReaper (~assassin@183.171.160.252) |
| 15:50.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | but also relevant is dos1's work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1IM9Vd2_2s |
| 15:57.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1426013#post1426013 ff |
| 15:58.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Hopefully I'll soon be able to record similar video, but with Fremantle instead of Replicant/SHR. That would be a great milestone for "NeoFremantle" project << |
| 16:02.59 | *** join/#maemo lizardo (lizardo@nat/indt/x-ubhfgcvjxatcewzt) |
| 16:08.06 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: sadly no commitments from me these days |
| 16:09.28 | *** join/#maemo sq-one (~sq-one@p549AAED0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:09.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pity |
| 16:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | too much RL? |
| 16:10.30 | javispedro | not this week I hope, but it'll get worse again soon. |
| 16:11.56 | *** join/#maemo wotan147 (~max@HSI-KBW-109-192-059-222.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 16:18.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: anyway please share your thoughts about Neo900 any time you feel there's enough free time for you to do |
| 16:29.41 | *** join/#maemo hurrian (~hurrian@112.205.21.51) |
| 16:29.42 | *** join/#maemo hurrian (~hurrian@unaffiliated/rikanee) |
| 16:46.22 | *** join/#maemo totalizator (~totalizat@89-69-49-198.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 17:22.14 | *** join/#maemo dos1 (~dos@unaffiliated/dos1) |
| 17:28.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | HMMM! http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/RTCOM seems missing a "diagram" that never been there. Daniel Wilms forgot to add it? |
| 17:30.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>The diagram below shows the entities of the RTCOM subsystem,...<< already in initial page, also no such diagram in initial page. http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/RTCOM&oldid=21136 |
| 17:39.28 | *** join/#maemo b1101 (~b@209.222.18.35) |
| 17:58.38 | *** join/#maemo maybeHere (~cl@p5B1622DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:23.56 | *** join/#maemo Kabouik (~quassel@211.117.95.79.rev.sfr.net) |
| 18:29.17 | *** join/#maemo maybeWTF (~cl@p5B160C9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:30.40 | wizbit | is it possible to create a wireless hotspot with a N900 so i can connect to the internet using a laptop whats close by? |
| 18:35.23 | Tekk_ | wizbit: I don't think there's anything about that on the wiki page for tethering |
| 18:35.34 | wizbit | Mobile HotSpot is in the applications |
| 18:35.40 | Tekk_ | oh |
| 18:35.43 | Tekk_ | then presumably you can :P |
| 18:35.49 | wizbit | and Qt Mobile Hotspot |
| 18:35.56 | wizbit | have to find out whats the best |
| 18:36.17 | Tekk_ | Qt Mobile Hotspot |
| 18:36.28 | Tekk_ | generally if you see an x and Qt x, Qt x is the newer one |
| 18:36.44 | wizbit | ace |
| 18:41.01 | Tekk_ | wizbit: the wiki seems to say that you basically use bluetooth to set up ppp it seems? |
| 18:41.06 | Tekk_ | but maybe mobile hotspot will actually do wifi |
| 18:41.24 | Tekk_ | since I'm a poor american on at&t I only get edge, so tethering isn't really worth it. I have no experience |
| 18:42.27 | *** join/#maemo _rd (~rd@p57B49804.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:46.47 | *** join/#maemo flo_lap (~fuchs@sign-4db60829.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 18:46.47 | *** join/#maemo flo_lap (~fuchs@Maemo/community/contributor/florian) |
| 18:47.00 | *** join/#maemo shentey (~shentey@nrbg-4dbf3fd3.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 18:54.00 | *** join/#maemo shentey (~shentey@nrbg-4dbf3fd3.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 18:57.42 | *** join/#maemo jas4711 (~jas@2001:16d8:cca1:0:f2de:f1ff:fe16:509b) |
| 18:59.44 | hxka | wizbit: Note that those don't actually use wi-fi module as hotspot, instead they create an ad-hoc connection |
| 19:00.42 | hxka | There is also some proprietary software, forgot how it's called |
| 19:02.11 | hxka | Qt Mobile Hotspot also allows you to share the connection via USB, not only Wi-Fi |
| 19:06.27 | *** join/#maemo e-yes (~e-yes@49.48.238.152) |
| 19:10.31 | *** join/#maemo arcean (~arcean@apn-5-60-175-35.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl) |
| 19:11.10 | Tekk_ | recommends sharing via usb |
| 19:11.17 | Tekk_ | I always find it more reliable than wifi when tethering on any phone |
| 19:14.49 | *** join/#maemo sq-one (~sq-one@p549AAED0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:23.36 | *** join/#maemo maybeHere (~cl@p5790FF2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:29.56 | *** join/#maemo mtnman (~user@c-71-196-198-4.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 19:31.18 | mtnman | hello, i had an error on apt-get remove. where can i find the log file for apt/dpkg? |
| 19:31.24 | kerio | there isn't one |
| 19:31.52 | Tekk_ | mtnman: also you probably shouldn't use apt-get |
| 19:31.54 | Tekk_ | it makes DocScrutinizer05 angry :D |
| 19:32.02 | Tekk_ | it can also mess up your system |
| 19:32.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 19:32.17 | Tekk_ | (which is why it makes him angry :P) |
| 19:32.24 | Tekk_ | DocScrutinizer05: isn't it your constant advice to never use apt-get? |
| 19:32.25 | mtnman | why should i worry about that? |
| 19:32.29 | mtnman | likes apt-get |
| 19:32.35 | Tekk_ | least that's what I recall last time I used it |
| 19:32.40 | kerio | Tekk_: nope |
| 19:32.45 | kerio | it's not an advice to not use apt |
| 19:32.52 | mtnman | Tekk i need a better reason |
| 19:32.53 | kerio | it's a mandate of not asking for support after using apt |
| 19:33.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't use apt-get unless you exactly know what you're doing |
| 19:33.12 | Tekk_ | mtnman: I may be misremembering this, but basically there's a very tiny OS partition |
| 19:33.17 | Tekk_ | and bad things happen when you fill it |
| 19:33.24 | Tekk_ | when you use ham it puts it in an application partition and symlinks it in |
| 19:33.32 | Tekk_ | DocScrutinizer05: about right? |
| 19:33.39 | kerio | nope |
| 19:33.42 | Tekk_ | oh |
| 19:33.47 | kerio | ham doesn't do any special thing with packages |
| 19:33.47 | Tekk_ | so what's the ham magic then? |
| 19:33.51 | kerio | there isn't one |
| 19:34.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't listen to kerio |
| 19:34.03 | mtnman | Tekk_ i know that apt and ham dont sync |
| 19:34.23 | mtnman | i'm trying to clean out cruft identified by deborphan |
| 19:34.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course HAM does things that apt-get doesn't, and sometimes those are vital |
| 19:34.35 | mtnman | can''t do that with ham |
| 19:34.35 | kerio | mtnman: don't trust the dependencies |
| 19:34.50 | mtnman | kerio explain |
| 19:35.00 | kerio | dependencies for at least some packages are fucked |
| 19:35.09 | kerio | system packages, that si |
| 19:35.10 | kerio | is |
| 19:35.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo dependencies are fucked for almost everything |
| 19:35.17 | kerio | especially stuff that comes from nokia |
| 19:35.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 19:35.38 | mtnman | has used apt for years and LIKES it |
| 19:35.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, everybody does |
| 19:36.13 | *** join/#maemo mkaindl (~mkaindl@ama-dablam.markus-kaindl.de) |
| 19:36.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | see |
| 19:36.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 19:36.13 | infobot | [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 19:36.38 | mtnman | i don't like getting ppl telling me to be scared of something without explaining the danger |
| 19:37.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | me neither, but then I didn't tell you anything like that |
| 19:37.22 | kerio | mtnman: HAM doesn't let you do anything to packages that aren't marked as "user" |
| 19:37.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 19:37.34 | Tekk_ | ah |
| 19:37.39 | mtnman | kerio fine. |
| 19:38.03 | mtnman | but how can i find out what apt (dpkg) did? is there really no log file? |
| 19:38.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get install procps will yield surprising unpleasant results |
| 19:39.02 | mtnman | Doc i'm just trying to uninstall cruft identified by deborphan |
| 19:39.13 | kerio | that "cruft" might be needed |
| 19:39.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get upgrade also will, particularly when you enabled extras-devel (the latter is identical to HAM though) |
| 19:39.54 | *** join/#maemo _rd (~rd@p57B49804.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:39.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get autoremove is a terrible idea |
| 19:40.03 | mtnman | kerio how so? deborphan only flags pkgs that have no dependencies |
| 19:40.07 | kerio | ... |
| 19:40.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | as is apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:40.16 | kerio | <kerio> dependencies for at least some packages are fucked |
| 19:40.21 | Tekk_ | mtnman: because as it was noticed before, deps are fucked |
| 19:40.23 | mtnman | quit tellng me what doesn't work and please answer my questions |
| 19:40.24 | Tekk_ | as it was mentioned* |
| 19:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fapman |
| 19:40.57 | infobot | from memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. in short, it's deprecated |
| 19:41.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, let's see |
| 19:41.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mp |
| 19:41.50 | infobot | from memory, mp is Northern Mariana Islands |
| 19:42.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 19:42.15 | mtnman | the questions is: is there a log file or other way to find out more info about error msgs reported by apt-get? |
| 19:42.31 | kerio | paste it here, we'll try to take a look at it |
| 19:42.37 | kerio | there's no logfile |
| 19:42.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | "paste it here" ??? really now? |
| 19:42.59 | mtnman | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 19:43.01 | mtnman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.01 | mtnman | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 19:43.05 | Tekk_ | mtnman: DocScrutinizer05 linked to a page which gave you logs |
| 19:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | did I? |
| 19:43.35 | mtnman | i did not see anything like that |
| 19:43.44 | Tekk_ | DocScrutinizer: yeah |
| 19:43.58 | Tekk_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 19:44.03 | Tekk_ | that seems to have an apt wrapper for logs |
| 19:44.05 | kerio | mtnman: there should be something before that |
| 19:44.12 | Tekk_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#Miniwrapper_for_apt-get_logs. |
| 19:44.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | didn't know there's sth about apt logs there |
| 19:44.28 | mtnman | Tekk but that won't help after the fact. |
| 19:44.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, that |
| 19:45.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's logging user actions, not apt's diagnostic output |
| 19:45.50 | Tekk_ | ah |
| 19:46.01 | mtnman | so how can i find out what went wrong with libcityinfo-settings during apt-get remove? |
| 19:46.21 | *** join/#maemo shentey_ (~shentey@nrbg-4dbf3fd3.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 19:47.24 | mtnman | anyone? bueller? |
| 19:47.49 | kerio | apt-get install -f |
| 19:47.59 | kerio | for "fix" |
| 19:48.11 | kerio | and pay attention to what's going on |
| 19:48.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | also, wasn't there a --simulate aka dryrun? |
| 19:48.55 | kerio | the problem was with the config part of the installation |
| 19:49.02 | kerio | you can't dryrun that, it's arbitrary shell scripts |
| 19:49.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 19:50.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think the postrm script gets stored somewhere and you can inspect and rerun it, though |
| 19:50.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | var/lib/apt/*/*/... ? |
| 19:52.32 | kerio | /var/lib/dpkg/something |
| 19:53.46 | mtnman | well thanks for tryingbut my question problem remains unsolved. |
| 19:53.50 | Tekk_ | hm.. |
| 19:55.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | your last question been >>so how can i find out what went wrong with libcityinfo-settings during apt-get remove?<<, the answer to that been <DocScrutinizer05> I think the postrm script gets stored somewhere and you can inspect and rerun it, though <kerio> /var/lib/dpkg/something |
| 19:56.37 | Tekk_ | wasn't there some way to install meego on the microsd card? I thought I saw something about it on the wiki but I can't seem to find it now |
| 19:56.48 | Tekk_ | is sufficiently bored that it seems like an okay idea, if he can find a mirror with the image |
| 19:56.50 | mtnman | doc i did not find the postrm scripst, but dpkg -s says the config files are still there |
| 19:57.55 | mtnman | they don't seem to be in /etc so i'm perplexed |
| 19:58.01 | mtnman | ls |
| 19:58.03 | mtnman | oops |
| 19:58.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | AFAIK apt-get remove is supposed to keep the config files, that's a feature. To remove config files use apt-ger purge |
| 19:58.31 | mtnman | actually i did apt-get --purge remove foopkg |
| 19:59.51 | Tekk_ | nitdroid would be interesting too I guess, but I'm afraid of how android will "run" on 256 MB of ram |
| 20:00.01 | kerio | use dpkg -P |
| 20:00.14 | mtnman | for what? |
| 20:00.25 | kerio | to purge again |
| 20:00.28 | kerio | even if it's not installed |
| 20:00.51 | mtnman | afaik -P == --purge |
| 20:00.54 | kerio | eyup |
| 20:01.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-multiboot |
| 20:01.02 | infobot | i heard maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 20:01.04 | kerio | but apt-get will just give up if the package isn't installed |
| 20:01.37 | mtnman | kerio what do you mean? that is not clear to me |
| 20:02.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt!=dpkg |
| 20:02.27 | mtnman | oh... ok... sorry i parsed it incorrectly |
| 20:02.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get --purge != dpkg -P |
| 20:03.59 | mtnman | similar result from dpkg |
| 20:04.29 | kerio | well, just restore your backup |
| 20:04.32 | mtnman | we are all aware that apt is a front-end for dpkg, aren't we? |
| 20:04.34 | *** join/#maemo _rd (~rd@p57B49804.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:05.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't like the tone in here, cya l8r |
| 20:05.58 | mtnman | kerio if you are talking to me about backup then i'm not sure you understand what i'm trying to accomplish. |
| 20:06.13 | mtnman | did the dpkg -P and got a similar result |
| 20:06.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm sure you didn't mention it |
| 20:06.43 | kerio | mtnman: you're clearly better than us, why are you asking us for advice? |
| 20:06.52 | kerio | i'm out |
| 20:07.51 | *** part/#maemo mtnman (~user@c-71-196-198-4.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 20:09.32 | *** join/#maemo arcean (~arcean@apn-46-215-71-107.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl) |
| 20:11.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | deborphan, ohmy |
| 20:16.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | sets up an autoresponder "quit tellng me what doesn't work and please answer my questions" --> "*PLONK*" |
| 20:16.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | everything after that been wasted time anyway |
| 20:19.56 | *** join/#maemo remarc (~sequantz@194.11.24.44) |
| 20:20.09 | *** join/#maemo remarc (~sequantz@194.11.24.44) |
| 20:28.55 | *** join/#maemo xes (~xes@unaffiliated/xes) |
| 20:31.10 | *** join/#maemo aloril (~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 20:33.10 | *** join/#maemo mtnman (~user@c-71-196-198-4.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 20:34.10 | mtnman | ok i'm pretty sure i figured out my problem with apt-get --purge and failure of the post-rm script... seems there is an error in the script!! |
| 20:34.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ORLY? |
| 20:35.03 | mtnman | guess i should submit a bug report. |
| 20:58.44 | *** join/#maemo Guest65353 (~FIQ@fiq.se) |
| 21:05.58 | *** join/#maemo FredrIQ (~FIQ@fiq.se) |
| 21:18.10 | *** part/#maemo mtnman (~user@c-71-196-198-4.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 21:19.29 | *** join/#maemo remarc_ (~sequantz@194.11.24.44) |
| 21:22.06 | *** join/#maemo maybeWTF (~cl@p5B162540.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:26.11 | hxka | libcityinfo-settings-002? Where did he even get that package? |
| 21:41.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy libcityinfo0-0 |
| 21:41.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | libcityinfo0-0: |
| 21:41.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libcityinfo0-0/ |
| 21:44.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure a brilliant idea to uninstall that |
| 21:44.41 | hxka | $ [ "libcityinfo-settings-002" == "libcityinfo0-0" ] && echo true || echo false |
| 21:44.43 | hxka | false |
| 21:45.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no such stuff like libcityinfo-settings-.* on my system |
| 21:45.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I don't even know where from you got that |
| 21:46.14 | hxka | That's the package he tried to remove |
| 21:46.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, 2014-05-21 Wed 21:42:59] <mtnman> libcityinfo-settings-002 |
| 21:46.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 21:47.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | package interface doesn't know of it either |
| 21:47.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | this suggests it's not even in extras-* |
| 21:47.42 | hxka | I only found this log: http://pastie.org/1048904 |
| 21:47.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly he installed it from a .deb downloaded from acme.org |
| 21:48.43 | hxka | (which demonsrates utility of dist-upgrade on fremantle btw) |
| 21:48.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | dist-upgrade??? OUUUUUUUUUCH! |
| 21:49.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | hxka: exactly! |
| 21:49.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, he likes apt! ;-) |
| 21:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | humms "love hurts..." |
| 21:51.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ7Myy7Hpxw |
| 21:52.29 | *** join/#maemo eMHa__ (~mh@HSI-KBW-046-005-002-047.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 21:54.13 | *** join/#maemo nox- (noident@freebsd/developer/nox) |
| 21:55.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems to indicate libcityinfo-settings-002 is a "patch" to original libcityinfo *system* package that somebody uploaded to extras(-devel) in a misguided attempt to fix nokia's core maemo system. We got CSSU for that, exactly because it doen't work that way |
| 21:56.20 | hxka | I think it's from US variant of N900 firmware, actually |
| 21:56.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | but hey, when people love apt, what can you do. Can't stop love |
| 21:56.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | 002 stinks, yes |
| 21:57.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno what's US variant of COMBINED fiasco. Is it "02"? |
| 21:58.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's check in my comprehensive backup of tabletsdev |
| 21:59.04 | hxka | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6878#c10 |
| 21:59.06 | povbot_ | 04Bug 6878: UK Country variant of firmware not available for download |
| 21:59.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | UK? |
| 21:59.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maemo 5 USA variant for Nokia N900 - |
| 21:59.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin |
| 21:59.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much |
| 22:00.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | so finally we found one difference between US and global/EU variant? the libcityinfo |
| 22:01.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | (whatever that actually does) |
| 22:01.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | thinks libcityinfo is related to TZ setting based on next larger city |
| 22:02.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | a flawed design |
| 22:02.45 | *** join/#maemo maybeWTF (~cl@p5790F8CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:03.48 | *** join/#maemo sunny_s (~sunny_s@pd95c1f18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:03.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's for sure easier for me to look at next watch to get the current local time, and then the system checks the offset to UTC, rather than me looking up next larger city known to libcityinfo. Particularly when I'm abroad and don't know shit about even the city I'm in |
| 22:04.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | the heck, sometimes I couldn't even spell the city I'm in |
| 22:05.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I *always* been able to find out about semi-correct local time |
| 22:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | in a few seconds |
| 22:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then there's always GPS, if everything else fails |
| 22:07.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | "next larger city known by libcityinfo" PFFFFFF! |
| 22:07.31 | hxka | I replaced mr0 with 002 in SSU repo URL, and indeed, there is a libcityinfo-settings-002 package |
| 22:07.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 22:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | still a silly idea to uninstall it |
| 22:08.15 | hxka | "Customisation package for Cityinfo Library", it says |
| 22:08.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | not in HAM, I guess |
| 22:09.15 | hxka | Sure |
| 22:09.25 | hxka | Section: libs |
| 22:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | OOOOoooo |
| 22:09.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | OOOooo love hurts |
| 22:10.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 22:10.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | tries hard to get rid of dark sarcasm |
| 22:11.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, btw, ebay leaked *all* user credentials |
| 22:12.05 | *** join/#maemo kraft (kraft@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-vjhpnlqzmbmurcum) |
| 22:12.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already seen my email addr (known nowhere else, basically) getting used to send SAPM *to* it (not *from* it - ... yet?) |
| 22:12.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, _potentially_ "all" |
| 22:13.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly heartbleed, I guess |
| 22:13.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | so unclear what they actually leaked |
| 22:16.05 | hxka | The whole content of that package is this gconf schema, lol: http://privatepaste.com/ee964b2d3c |
| 22:20.21 | hxka | And the package failed to remove because postrm contains rmdir -p --ignore-fail-on-non-empty $OLD_DIR |
| 22:21.07 | hxka | which of course busybox doesn't support |
| 22:22.33 | *** part/#maemo lynx-z (~lynx-z@unaffiliated/severnyj) |
| 22:22.47 | hxka | Stock busybox, that is |
| 22:23.01 | hxka | Hilarious |