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| 00:07.47 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 04:47.14 | okias | Hey guys, did someone tried use LTO on N900? |
| 04:48.06 | okias | as my quick test on x86_64 showed, it nicely reduce binary size even with older gcc 4.8.2 and with 4.9.0 it should be much better! :) |
| 04:48.18 | okias | it could help reduce N900 memory pressure |
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| 07:26.46 | SAiF | link to flasher3.5.tar.gz please. |
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| 07:47.20 | Ashley` | ~flasher |
| 07:47.21 | infobot | flasher is probably at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 07:47.55 | Ashley` | why dontcha google |
| 07:49.05 | Ashley` | and you came here like into a bar: "whiskey & cola please" |
| 07:49.15 | SAiF | haha.. |
| 07:49.17 | SAiF | sorry.. |
| 07:49.33 | SAiF | and thanks.. |
| 07:49.38 | SAiF | my mistake. |
| 07:50.12 | Ashley` | :P |
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| 08:28.49 | sixwheeledbeast | Ashley`: you still served, that's the maemo community bar for you ;) |
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| 13:18.02 | Sicelo | hi |
| 13:18.20 | Sicelo | is repo having a problem, or it's my connection? |
| 13:19.12 | Sicelo | Could not connect to repository.maemo.org:80 (213.128.137.22). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
| 13:22.34 | Sicelo | but |
| 13:24.01 | Sicelo | the ones from nokia.com work |
| 13:24.04 | bencoh | looks like it works here |
| 13:24.58 | Sicelo | ok. thanks for confirming. :) |
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| 14:45.47 | kerio | okias: i think cssu-thumb uses gcc 4.7 |
| 14:45.59 | kerio | freemangordon: pls giff gcc 4.9 |
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| 15:29.14 | okias | kerio: I finally get to installing debian/scratchbox, so I wonder, where should I put new software (it may require update lot system packages) |
| 15:29.48 | okias | I want put in n900 my preferred desktop (cmdline) sw :) |
| 15:32.09 | freemangordon | kerio: do you know how to build it and make a deb for scratchbox? |
| 15:32.50 | kerio | mmh |
| 15:32.52 | kerio | make? |
| 15:32.53 | kerio | :3 |
| 15:33.16 | kerio | i don't even know if it'll work with our ancient libraries |
| 15:33.21 | kerio | ...wait |
| 15:33.42 | kerio | why do we need to build gcc 4.9? |
| 15:35.52 | okias | kerio: for n900? better LTO, which could _reduce_ binary size :) |
| 15:36.02 | kerio | no, we need to *use* gcc 4.9 |
| 15:36.18 | okias | oh, yes :) |
| 15:36.24 | okias | I'd say 100% |
| 15:37.07 | okias | if no-one step up, I'll try get gcc 4.9 working somehow, but not much knowledge about scratchbox, so it make takes while |
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| 15:38.14 | freemangordon | okias: dunno about 4.9, but in 4.7 lto sucks |
| 15:39.01 | okias | freemangordon: well, 4.7 was weak, for 4.8.2 on my desktop machine I got for reduce approximatelly 5-20% |
| 15:39.11 | freemangordon | x86? |
| 15:39.20 | okias | for n900 with less memory it could be very nice suprise :) |
| 15:39.24 | okias | x86_64 |
| 15:39.31 | freemangordon | what about ARM? |
| 15:39.42 | okias | in fact, I didn't found anything about ARM, but... let's test and we'll see :) |
| 15:39.55 | freemangordon | BTW I still should have *some* instructions how to build 4.7.2 |
| 15:40.08 | freemangordon | lemme try to find them |
| 15:40.21 | okias | I going afk for 45-120 minutes :) |
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| 16:32.27 | wizbit | im using opera 12 as my browser, however, it doesnt recognize flash |
| 16:32.39 | wizbit | do i need to install flash manually for it to work with it |
| 16:34.15 | Ashley` | opera doesnt have flash support i think |
| 16:36.47 | wizbit | aye ok |
| 16:36.59 | okias | back again :) |
| 16:38.16 | wizbit | :) |
| 16:38.21 | wizbit | are droid fonts worth installing? |
| 16:38.50 | okias | wizbit: I guess, just check them on computer :) |
| 16:39.04 | okias | also there is new font from KDE Frameworks, named Oxygen :) |
| 16:39.12 | wizbit | ace |
| 16:39.13 | okias | (also looking very good) |
| 16:39.21 | wizbit | do they change the whole desktop appearance? |
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| 16:40.11 | okias | probably not until you change it manually by some tool ( just guessing, not sure if I recall correctly) |
| 16:43.12 | okias | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1423469 hoho, gcc 4.9! :) |
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| 17:06.33 | okias | http://talk.maemo.org/register.php?do=register You have left a required field blank. ... :'( |
| 17:08.01 | RiD | lol when i clicked that, "You have chosen not to accept the forum rules, so registration cannot continue." appeared |
| 17:08.25 | okias | http://talk.maemo.org/register.php?do=signup |
| 17:08.31 | okias | you need check that checkbox |
| 17:08.36 | okias | but still, it won't pass me |
| 17:08.46 | okias | tried chrome and firefox |
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| 17:12.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | check your cookie settngs, delete old stale cookies |
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| 17:16.20 | okias | : This script should NOT be run as user root. |
| 17:16.35 | okias | I installed sudo because of this, but still, exactly by http://wiki.maemo.org/Building_a_Virtual_Machine_for_Maemo_development |
| 17:16.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 17:17.02 | okias | without sudo it's fine |
| 17:17.37 | okias | is howto wrong, or I'm ? |
| 17:18.06 | okias | DocScrutinizer05: about cookies.. ok, i'll try |
| 17:19.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | sth terribly messed up with some maemo/nokia account/registration webpages, they place cookies like "session-timed-out" that never get removed or updated |
| 17:19.32 | okias | and.. nope, cookies didn't helped |
| 17:20.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | cookies always help, at least for me ;-) particularly peanut-cookies |
| 17:21.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you check for any stale cookies and deleted them? |
| 17:22.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I#m not sure your problem actually caused by cookie handling or stale cookies. I just recall to have seen such problems) |
| 17:23.06 | okias | DocScrutinizer05: I deleted everything from FF |
| 17:23.15 | okias | it just wont let me, try for yourself |
| 17:23.16 | kerio | i hope you backed that stuff up |
| 17:24.19 | okias | P.S. I really hope that maemo script will run without sudo |
| 17:24.33 | okias | it already downloaded and did lot of work |
| 17:25.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=70417 Join Date: 2014-05-18 |
| 17:28.18 | okias | still it sees some blank field :( |
| 17:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | pester tmo maintainer about it! |
| 17:32.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | he happens to hang out here known as chem|st |
| 17:35.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | if feasible, change your public IP - you might have run into a spamblocker/botfilter |
| 17:38.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's pretty unfortunate that tmo has a record of annoying new users like that |
| 17:40.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno what's the problem with fixing that, or at least share a friendly note on the registering page mentioning the possible problem, the cause, and what user could do to recover from it |
| 17:42.33 | okias | DocScrutinizer05: my ip wont change, I have static |
| 17:42.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: ^^^ could you help? |
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| 17:43.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ^^^ |
| 17:43.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: ^^^ |
| 17:51.17 | okias | cssu into scratchbox, do anyone has that line to apt.d ? |
| 17:51.40 | okias | * sources.list.d |
| 17:53.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think there's such thing |
| 17:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu doesn't offer any new dependencies. IOW no project should depend on CSSU |
| 17:54.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally speaking |
| 17:54.51 | okias | done, ok |
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| 17:56.18 | okias | I want compare some latest cssu packages against new builded with lto |
| 17:56.53 | okias | btw. now slowly thinking about injecting gcc-4.9 runtime into n900 + installing it into scratchbox |
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| 18:06.58 | okias | where is cssu? http://maemo.org/packages/view/libpixman-1-0/ I can't find it |
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| 18:23.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 18:24.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu isn't in package manager, since it's not a regular repo neither distro |
| 18:25.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu is kind of special, working as a supplement to base repositories |
| 18:26.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and there's neither a source repo nor autobuilder nor access via package interface to it |
| 18:28.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | packages for binary cssu repo get built locally by the maintainers and then uploaded to repository.maemo.org |
| 18:29.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | much like Nokia did with their packages in the base repos |
| 18:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | see e.g. http://maemo.org/packages/view/cssufeatures/ for "normals" non-system packages that are CSSU and still get built and deployed via maemo-extras repo. NB without any dependencies to CSSU, the autobuilder doesn't even know what's CSSU |
| 18:34.07 | okias | how to set default gcc in scratchbox to 4.6 at least for start? |
| 18:35.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask freemangordon |
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| 18:41.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | note there's no CSSU in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/ |
| 18:41.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither in http://repository.maemo.org/ |
| 18:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle-1.3/ |
| 18:44.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | err http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/ |
| 18:47.05 | xes | okias: could you retry with the register page? |
| 18:47.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi xes :-) |
| 18:47.22 | xes | hi DocScrutinizer05! |
| 18:47.44 | okias | still You have left a required field blank. :'( |
| 18:48.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | okias: xes is one of our maemo.org sysops, I guess he's just about to look at a wireshark screen |
| 18:48.56 | okias | :D |
| 18:49.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | give him some time |
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| 18:50.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | okias: please stay tuned to help tracking down the issue, if you can spare the time |
| 18:50.44 | okias | yy |
| 18:50.52 | okias | btw. just installing python 2.5 |
| 18:51.02 | okias | because python 2.3 seems little bit unsupported these days |
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| 18:52.18 | kerio | :c |
| 18:52.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | .oO(???) |
| 18:52.56 | kerio | btw, daily reminder that python 2.7 was released in july 2010 |
| 18:53.12 | okias | :D |
| 18:53.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I think 2.5 is standard on maemo fremantle, no? |
| 18:53.21 | kerio | python 2.5 is from september 2006 |
| 18:53.42 | okias | btw. that's weird |
| 18:53.49 | okias | on my n900 I have 2.5.4 |
| 18:53.57 | okias | but in scratchbox is default 2.3 |
| 18:54.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.38 | okias | and I can't see any upgrade to 2.5 (only python2.5) |
| 18:54.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | scratchbox is terribly outdated, you need to do a proper update to PR1.3 I guess |
| 18:55.00 | kerio | does someone actually want to deal with scratchbox? |
| 18:55.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no SB expert here |
| 18:55.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: what else? |
| 18:55.24 | okias | kerio: do you have any better ideas? |
| 18:55.31 | okias | I didn't found much interesting docs about it |
| 18:55.49 | kerio | i dunno, a standard maemo install with the dev tools |
| 18:55.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 18:56.56 | kerio | install maemo in a VM with more space than a n900 |
| 18:57.02 | kerio | and install gcc and the -dev packages |
| 18:57.27 | okias | kerio: is somewhere any reasonable manual for that? |
| 18:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, feasible. If you wanna compile stuff on a 600MHz ARM with 256MB of real RAM |
| 18:57.50 | kerio | i'm going to assume that the VM will also have a faster cpu with more ram |
| 18:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 18:58.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | so that VM is not called scratchbox by any chance? |
| 18:58.31 | kerio | nope! |
| 18:58.46 | kerio | for instance, it's not x86 |
| 18:58.46 | okias | pardon me guys, is there any howto? ;) |
| 18:59.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: nfc what you're talking about |
| 18:59.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | okias: howto for what? |
| 18:59.24 | okias | in fact, there should be almost no-effort put in managing running DEV environment, to _encourage_ people do work :) |
| 18:59.37 | kerio | okias: well, scratchbox does work with almost no effort |
| 18:59.44 | kerio | there's the virtualbox image for that |
| 18:59.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the idea |
| 18:59.49 | xes | okias: DocScrutinizer05: the problem seems intermitten and related to the anti captcha module slow or not loading correctly. Check if you can open the address "http://api.recaptcha.net/challenge?k=6LfiVucSAAAAAP1Abdlazjqh3xJs-Oi-s7rZG_0V" |
| 18:59.50 | okias | well, "install maemo in a VM" is not much exactly way |
| 18:59.53 | kerio | i'm not entirely sure how updated it is, tho |
| 19:00.11 | okias | kerio: well, then we should _mark_ wiki pages as obsolete |
| 19:00.31 | xes | ^ now redirected to a google api page |
| 19:00.34 | okias | (wiki pages pointing to install scratchbox env) |
| 19:00.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | okias: could you please stop that chatter with kerio and help xes? |
| 19:00.54 | okias | xes: good :) thank you |
| 19:01.03 | chem|st | okias: did you manage to register now? what is the problem? |
| 19:01.17 | okias | chem|st: now I can see username, etc. dialog |
| 19:01.24 | okias | so it look better than before, give me few sec |
| 19:01.53 | chem|st | browser cache is screwing the fields up... |
| 19:02.10 | xes | hi chem|st! Could you check the link for the anti captcha module? Maybe it should be updated |
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| 19:02.30 | okias | chem|st: well, I tried two browsers, it hasn't been caused by cache ;) |
| 19:03.09 | wizbit | i forgot about dropbox, i wonder if there is a client |
| 19:05.20 | chem|st | okias: if you browsed the site on the browser before it will have the same problem |
| 19:05.36 | chem|st | nvm, did you register now? |
| 19:05.44 | chem|st | yet? |
| 19:05.51 | okias | chem|st: xes: yes, perfectly, thank you guys! :) |
| 19:06.02 | chem|st | xes: captcha is fine |
| 19:06.51 | chem|st | okias: good |
| 19:06.54 | okias | kerio: can you give me some link, where should I start? |
| 19:07.21 | xes | chem|st: i loaded the page for 3 times with the captcha block completely missing |
| 19:07.25 | kerio | for the vm? |
| 19:07.36 | kerio | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ |
| 19:07.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | okias: kerio is notorious for his very own approach to many common problems |
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| 19:07.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: pleeease |
| 19:08.05 | kerio | dude that's the real one |
| 19:08.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: dude that's dead |
| 19:08.13 | okias | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 19:08.17 | okias | for start |
| 19:08.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | also dead |
| 19:08.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb |
| 19:08.31 | infobot | i guess scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 19:08.44 | okias | well, it's not much funny, it's really discouraging for new devs (I think) |
| 19:09.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | okias: sorry for Nokia lilling all official links |
| 19:09.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | killing |
| 19:09.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | just so much community can do about it |
| 19:09.33 | okias | can you drop links then? |
| 19:09.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ |
| 19:10.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | get the VM disk image |
| 19:10.17 | okias | it look pretty new |
| 19:10.21 | okias | what changed? |
| 19:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | downloaded from somewhere else? |
| 19:10.53 | okias | so, only because location changed? |
| 19:11.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 19:11.08 | okias | good to know |
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| 19:12.58 | okias | before I'll go for it (it kills my 2Mbit line), http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 19:13.16 | okias | I guess, it's not recommended these days, right? |
| 19:13.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly still the autoritative howto on it |
| 19:13.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I doubt all the URLs inside the script still work |
| 19:14.19 | okias | DocScrutinizer05: well, I'd like to put on beginning it's not recommended anymore, and link to your recommended variant |
| 19:14.36 | okias | just to prevent people end like me ;) |
| 19:14.42 | okias | with python2.3 :D |
| 19:15.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're welcome to review that wiki page and the scripts tehrein, and update it to work with what we got left over to juggle with nowadays |
| 19:15.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally you're supposed to run an update inside scratchbox |
| 19:16.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | but, as mentioned above, I'm no SB expert |
| 19:16.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get upgrade? nfc |
| 19:16.35 | okias | DocScrutinizer05: do you know any guys who could tell? |
| 19:16.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: |
| 19:16.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: |
| 19:16.57 | okias | DocScrutinizer05: well, no... apt-get upgrade on actual think wont give me upgrade for python 2.3 -> 2.5 |
| 19:17.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 19:17.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you prolly need to do the equivalent to SSU |
| 19:17.30 | okias | I'd like to try document _simplest_ way how to get to most actual development system as is possible |
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| 19:17.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | to update to maemo PR1.3 level |
| 19:17.48 | okias | which of course that virtualbox image seems to be |
| 19:18.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | virtualbox is just an easy way to get a plain SB install. It's no way more up to date that what you have right now |
| 19:19.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to do an update inside scratchbox |
| 19:19.31 | okias | I have idea.. could be missing deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79 nokia-binaries ? |
| 19:19.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that's where my knowledge ends |
| 19:19.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 19:19.47 | okias | but I guess python _shouldn't_ have any deps on proprietary binaries :D |
| 19:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it pretty sure has |
| 19:20.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | nokia-binaries is what's getting updated |
| 19:20.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's the PR1.x |
| 19:20.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically |
| 19:21.05 | okias | but it's non-sense |
| 19:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 19:21.12 | okias | at least for python |
| 19:21.25 | okias | then there shouldn't be any python |
| 19:21.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | you have no idea what nonsense maemo package management and dependencies is |
| 19:22.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | whole maemo is one huge metapackage, and that's it |
| 19:22.15 | okias | well, I have very simple plan... get this **** think working, rebuild sw with 4.9 and make new repository |
| 19:22.31 | okias | of course only for opensource sw |
| 19:22.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache search mp-fremantle |
| 19:22.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | mp-fremantle-generic-pr - |
| 19:22.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | mp-fremantle-community-pr - Community SSU package, includes latest fixes from Gitorious and the community |
| 19:23.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 19:23.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | mp-fremantle-generic-pr: |
| 19:23.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | (not installed on my system since I wanted to get procps |
| 19:24.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ) |
| 19:24.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | but once it been installed, or otherwise no maemo in that device |
| 19:25.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | update that in SB and I guess here you are |
| 19:25.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB mp-fremantle-community-pr is only *supplementary* to mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 19:26.04 | kerio | ...no it's not? |
| 19:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll need the latter one instaled to use the former one |
| 19:26.15 | kerio | cssu-enabler removes -generic- |
| 19:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but not the packages it consists of |
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| 19:27.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and community-pr afaik doesn't depend on them so they would get updated to latest base repo version |
| 19:28.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | generic-pr installs the maemo system. community-pr just replaces the patched bits |
| 19:28.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *could* be wrong on that |
| 19:28.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | for scratchbox it's pretty irrelevant anyway, since usually you're not supposed to develop using CSSU, aiui |
| 19:29.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW don't install community-pr to scratchbox, right? |
| 19:29.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't even want that, since your package is supposed to work on stock maemo as well |
| 19:30.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU is supposed to be compatible environment for apps built against stock |
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| 19:30.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | but stock is not defined as compatible for apps built against CSSU |
| 19:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | see my previous remark |
| 19:31.09 | okias | for start, good idea would be release something like PR1.4 |
| 19:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/cssufeatures/ |
| 19:31.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr1.4 |
| 19:31.31 | infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject |
| 19:32.02 | okias | it also show world it's still alive |
| 19:32.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | okias: we CANNOT release PR1.4, since we don't possess the Nokia signing key |
| 19:32.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why we got CSSU |
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| 19:33.07 | okias | interesting and could it be signed by your own key? what happend then? |
| 19:33.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | then the package will not get installed since our repos don't have sufficient trustlevel in HAM |
| 19:34.03 | okias | and exist any simple way, how to increase trustlevel? |
| 19:34.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 19:34.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | the simplest way is what CSSU does |
| 19:34.36 | okias | hmm |
| 19:34.39 | okias | there is one option |
| 19:34.55 | okias | just release whole firmware, to flash? |
| 19:35.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, manual editing, or make every user manually install package ACME-update |
| 19:35.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | or make every user reflash with new firmware package we created, yes |
| 19:35.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | we however wnat to stay compatible for users |
| 19:35.48 | okias | well, in fact, this could have good spread |
| 19:36.31 | okias | you know, first user flash PR1.4 (including new keys, fixed repos) and flash after flash there could be lot of "up-dateable" devices |
| 19:36.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, this been evaluated and plumbed together by a bunch of skilled community members and Nokians during almost a year. I don't think we can inprove it now on a sunday evening irc chat |
| 19:37.15 | okias | well, in fact, I read about Neo900 |
| 19:37.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm afk now, need to star some other tasks, then take care about Neo900 related stuff |
| 19:39.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, for Neo900 we actually want a "new distro" with own repo and all - though it should stay binbary compatible so users can still use packages from maemo-extras(-*) |
| 19:39.14 | okias | I just want say.. there is lot of "manpower" in n900, but it's totally fragmented |
| 19:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk o/ |
| 19:54.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | neo-fremantle won't use nokia binaries repos |
| 19:56.30 | kerio | well, it would be suicide |
| 19:56.44 | kerio | you need the exact ancient versions of libraries |
| 19:56.53 | kerio | or compatibility layers |
| 20:03.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you're aware that libraries are supposed to stay compatible? |
| 20:03.59 | kerio | backwards compatibility is broken all the time for different reasons |
| 20:05.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html#3.6. |
| 20:05.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | only by idiots |
| 20:05.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>When a new version of a library is binary-incompatible with the old one the soname needs to change<< |
| 20:06.48 | kerio | so why can't we blindly drop in the latest libc in fremantle? |
| 20:08.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | because only a jackass touches libc at all, without extensive tests and a good reason |
| 20:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | libc is probably more core than kernel |
| 20:10.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, read that fine tutorial. Instead of stopping me from taking my shower and getting breakfast! :-D |
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| 20:10.55 | okias | kerio: latest libc.. depend what libc :D |
| 20:11.24 | okias | kerio: for example musl-libc http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html could be very good idea to work with, but 100% needs rebuild of everything, including closedsource blobs :D |
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| 20:33.09 | pug | Hi |
| 20:33.22 | pug | is anyone of you using Whatsup on MeeGo? |
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| 21:37.56 | Kabouik | Guys, is this site safe? http://bingotrade.agilityhoster.com/product.php?id_product=58 D: |
| 21:48.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kabouik: I don't know |
| 21:48.41 | Kabouik | Because you know, 30€ each, and 5000 units available... Does not sound legit |
| 21:49.00 | Kabouik | But at this price, I would buy 3 just to have spare units :o |
| 21:49.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 21:49.39 | Kabouik | And you would have plenty for the Neo900 project too :P |
| 21:50.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | but!!! http://bingotrade.agilityhoster.com/cms.php?id_cms=4 looks pretty SCAM |
| 21:50.59 | Kabouik | Haha yes, indeed |
| 21:51.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://bingotrade.agilityhoster.com/ |
| 21:51.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | lorem ipsum |
| 21:51.58 | Kabouik | It's still frustrating not to order one just to be sure, but I think I won't try :P |
| 21:52.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Excepteur sint prestashop cupidatat non proident<< wtf? |
| 21:52.26 | Kabouik | No idea, that's not French, for sure :P |
| 21:53.16 | Kabouik | By the way DocScrutinizer05, do you know where to purchase non-qwerty keyboards for the N900? I just purchased a qwertz spare N900 |
| 21:53.38 | Kabouik | Maybe you have already investigated stores with N900 parts for your Neo900 project |
| 21:53.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's starting to get difficult to get new keymats |
| 21:54.13 | Kabouik | Yeah and used ones are often for whole used N900, so it's more expensive |
| 21:56.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha, google translate thinks it's Galizisch - yet doesn't translate it |
| 21:56.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Galician |
| 21:57.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#auto/en/Excepteur sint prestashop cupidatat non proident |
| 21:59.02 | Kabouik | http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/for-Nokia-N900-Keypad-black-Colour_346983266.html Don't know if these are real keymats, I guess they are "copies", but they might be worth a try |
| 21:59.43 | chem|st | xes: first try, captcha there, second try other browser - captcha there, settings lookup - everythign ok... |
| 22:00.04 | chem|st | even with adblock-plus |
| 22:01.13 | chem|st | that reads like wfm |
| 22:02.37 | chem|st | and I get to the register page without any hassle... logout - register - do-not-scroll-terms, checkbox, next - here we go! |
| 22:03.02 | xes | chem|st: probably it's not a fault into tmo, but a temporary issue with that captcha api. Since the original api link receives a redirect to a google page, _maybe_ that setting the new url could help |
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