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| 14:44.18 | Ashley` | https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/602f88552b64 N9 :D |
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| 15:15.28 | VaticanCameos | Does this channel cater to questions on the N900 as well? |
| 15:18.15 | VaticanCameos | Well I'll fire anyway. I have this weird bug where I'm not able to turn off Bluetooth. However, my phone is picked up by Bluetooth searches on other phones - meaning that bluetooth is always on but not showing on the status bar, thus constantly eating battery and yet inaccessible. I figured that something is messed up with the bluetooth kernel thread and if I managed to stop it, I would get things back on track. Stopping kernel threads isn't just a 'kill |
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| 15:38.39 | ShadowJK | hciconfig hci0 down |
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| 16:07.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash |
| 16:08.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you check settings? |
| 16:09.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | in settings there's a BT entry too |
| 16:09.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 16:10.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | not showing on status bar... hmm |
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| 16:18.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | related: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66251 |
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| 17:31.28 | VaticanCameos | ShadowJK: Thanks for that, but I'm still not able to turn on/off Bluetooth from the status panel. |
| 17:31.46 | VaticanCameos | It just doesn't appear there. |
| 17:36.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | VaticanCameos: see chanlog |
| 17:37.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | /topic |
| 17:38.39 | VaticanCameos | DocScrutinizer05: You mean changelog? |
| 17:38.44 | VaticanCameos | o.O |
| 17:41.33 | VaticanCameos | I'm sorry for being so nooby but what exactly am I supposed to look for in the changelog? |
| 17:50.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | channel log |
| 17:54.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-05-11.log.html#t2014-05-11T19:07:17 ff |
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| 18:19.58 | VaticanCameos | Hey DocScrutinizer05, thanks for the heads up. I'm going through that thread whose link you posted right now but my problem is a bit different. The bluetooth status symbol used to show earlier but now it doesn't, when I try to activate it from the status panel. |
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| 18:20.53 | VaticanCameos | Everytime I try to configure my Bluetooth settings there, it always starts with an empty Name field, and when I save with Bluetooth On, it never appears in the panel. When I go to those settings again, it's blank as before. |
| 18:21.03 | VaticanCameos | I guess a flash is in order then. I don't see any other way. |
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| 18:36.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, a reflash most likely is the fastest and easiest fix to the issue, unless it's a hw defect (unlikely) |
| 18:37.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could enable syslog and see if something blows chunks |
| 18:37.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds to me like storing settings to gconf is somehow failing |
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| 18:40.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | but of course when the BT configuration&management gear aborts on any other error before it even gets to storing the settings to gconf would result in a similar effect |
| 18:41.15 | VaticanCameos | DocScrutinizer05: Among other things, phone reboot did nothing either |
| 18:41.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui BT works but the icon doesn't show, right? |
| 18:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | does the button in status menu show up? |
| 18:43.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | the one showing BT icon and writing "Bluetooth" and a blue "on" or "off" ? |
| 18:43.43 | VaticanCameos | The button is present in status menu. It takes me to the BT settings but those are always fresh - no entry in name field even if I save one. I cannot know whether BT is on or off, trying to change it from there has no effect. |
| 18:44.01 | VaticanCameos | It's always Off. |
| 18:44.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui it must show, since you say you can open the config dialog with name field |
| 18:44.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | name field not showing anything is quite strange |
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| 18:49.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could try clicking "devices" button in bt config, then click "new" on list of configured devices. This is supposed to enable BT and search for visible peer devices on the air |
| 18:49.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | -the |
| 18:50.48 | VaticanCameos | DocScrutinizer05: Nothing happens if I press New. |
| 18:51.00 | VaticanCameos | Damn...this thing really is broken isn't it |
| 18:51.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing? that indicates that the "GUI" part gets errors when trying to talk to the BT "hardware" aka drivers aka bluez |
| 18:52.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you updated bluez from a broken source, there are newer bluez versions around that don't work with maemo5 |
| 18:52.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash! |
| 18:56.21 | VaticanCameos | DocScrutinizer05: It wasn't from an update. iirc, it started happening the day some messed up even occurred in my phone, probably something to do with a messed up reboot |
| 18:56.25 | VaticanCameos | I can't remember exactly |
| 18:56.29 | VaticanCameos | but since then BT isn't working |
| 18:58.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I can't investigate this any further with reasonable expense on effort. Just reflash, I don't think we will be able to track it down to the root cause |
| 18:59.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | doing a complete backup with BackupMenu before reflash will help to save all settings in case you later on need them, as well as the error so we could continue to investigate it when we feel bored |
| 18:59.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 18:59.50 | infobot | well, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 19:01.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even in case of a hw defect (still unlikely) a BM backup would allow you to restore your complete system on a new device |
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| 19:02.10 | VaticanCameos | DocScrutinizer05: Are you one of the few active maemo devs still around? |
| 19:02.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | install BM from Hildon "Application Manager" (aka HAM), reboot with kbd slide open, do a complete backup preferably to uSD |
| 19:02.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I'm not exactly a maemo developer |
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| 19:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I did some development a few years back, you might find H-E-N (and the tiny fancy "starhash-enabler) |
| 19:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might have heard of |
| 19:03.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 19:03.59 | infobot | jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 19:04.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | also http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council (though that will end soon for me, sth I'm quite happy about) |
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| 19:07.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg |
| 19:07.00 | infobot | rumour has it, joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 19:08.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer. Initiator of http://neo900.org |
| 19:08.23 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 19:08.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo joerg |
| 19:08.34 | infobot | joerg -- created by jOERG <n=jr-N810@p5493F5D9.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Oct 23 12:00:02 2008 (2026 days); last modified 11s ago by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 65 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 1m 34s ago; it has been locked by jOERG. |
| 19:08.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lock joerg |
| 19:09.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops, already locked |
| 19:09.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg |
| 19:09.35 | infobot | well, joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer. Initiator of http://neo900.org |
| 19:14.26 | VaticanCameos | oooo |
| 19:14.28 | VaticanCameos | awesome |
| 19:17.36 | VaticanCameos | I didn't know people were still working on the N900 after its unceremonious ditching years ag |
| 19:17.37 | VaticanCameos | o |
| 19:17.42 | VaticanCameos | That used to piss me off a lot |
| 19:18.08 | VaticanCameos | DocScrutinizer05: Why don't you guys take part in Google Summer of Code as a mentoring organization? That way you could get stuff done by students |
| 19:18.13 | VaticanCameos | you are an open source org after all |
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| 19:19.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | VaticanCameos: that's actually a brilliant idea |
| 19:19.37 | VaticanCameos | DocScrutinizer05: In your first year, you'll get a max of two slots |
| 19:19.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least worth pondering it further |
| 19:19.44 | VaticanCameos | but will be a start, and a proper kickstart to your plan |
| 19:20.01 | VaticanCameos | It will also bring your org and idea into mainstream consciousness |
| 19:20.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never looked too close into proceedings of GSoC |
| 19:20.17 | VaticanCameos | Damn, had you guys appeared this year I would've gladly applied for you guys |
| 19:21.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | FPTF as part of GSoC, sounds reasonable |
| 19:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf |
| 19:21.31 | infobot | somebody said fptf was the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 19:22.12 | bencoh | fptpf as a gsoc ? seriously ? |
| 19:22.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | just an idea I think is worth pondering |
| 19:22.39 | bencoh | well it's worth trying |
| 19:22.46 | bencoh | wouldnt expect much though |
| 19:22.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, sure |
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| 19:23.28 | VaticanCameos | bencoh: If you guys put yourselves across in the right way, there is every bit a chance of selection as a mentoring organization. |
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| 19:23.55 | bencoh | hmm, what is the right way in that case ? |
| 19:23.56 | VaticanCameos | Given that this project is open source and is working to revive the glory of a truly OSS smartphone |
| 19:24.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe we need to pimp it up a bit - make that "secure OS for phones, based on maemo5", with cryptfs, ZRTP-based VoIP and other bells and whistels |
| 19:24.23 | VaticanCameos | Apply as a mentor org in 2015. I don't have much idea about how mentor orgs apply, I'm a student. But I can find out for you guys from my mentor. |
| 19:25.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | mentor: Neo900 group |
| 19:25.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | could fly |
| 19:25.31 | VaticanCameos | If you have mundane library system projects in gsoc, surely FPTF deserves a position |
| 19:25.39 | vdv | apt-get install libsqlite3-dev fails with message "Package libsqlite3-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:25.40 | vdv | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 19:25.40 | vdv | is only available from another source |
| 19:25.40 | vdv | E: Package libsqlite3-dev has no installation candidate" |
| 19:26.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache search libsqlite |
| 19:26.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | libsqlite3-0 - SQLite 3 shared library |
| 19:26.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | libsqlite0 - SQLite shared library |
| 19:26.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | libsqlite0-dev - SQLite development files |
| 19:27.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds about correct |
| 19:27.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | then otoh I don't see why a package on N900 would depend on libsqlite3-dev |
| 19:28.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't |
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| 19:28.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | in scratchbox SDK, you will find a way to install the -dev pkg from *somewhere* |
| 19:30.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsqlite3-dev/ |
| 19:31.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually the way is the standard supposed way of installing SDK stuff from SDK repo ;-) |
| 19:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Fremantle SDK free armellibsqlite3-dev 3.6.14-1maemo4+0m5 |
| 19:31.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Fremantle SDK free i386libsqlite3-dev 3.6.14-1maemo4+0m5 |
| 19:32.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | again, on target platform (N900) the *-dev packages SHOULD not be needed for any app/program to install |
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| 19:35.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW: either you did ""apt-get install libsqlite3-dev"" on N900 then I wonder why you did. Or you did it on your PC inside SB SDK, then you are missing the SDK repo in your sources.list |
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| 19:38.25 | vdv | DocScrutinizer05, ruby |
| 19:38.33 | vdv | and gem install |
| 19:38.53 | vdv | and i'm indeed on device |
| 19:40.11 | vdv | would enabling SDK repo on my n900 help? |
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| 19:41.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 19:43.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply click on the .deb link of http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/libsqlite3-dev/3.6.14-1maemo4+0m5/ in microB |
| 19:45.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | might or might not start HAM to install the .deb, after downloading it. If it doesn't, install manually using cd <dir-to-download>; dplg -i *.deb |
| 19:47.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | or do ` cd ~user/MyDocs; wget http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/s/sqlite3/libsqlite3-dev_3.6.14-1maemo4+0m5_armel.deb; dpkg -i libsq*.deb; rm libsq*.deb` |
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| 19:48.56 | vdv | enabling SDK repo worked |
| 19:49.15 | vdv | installed package |
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| 19:59.56 | vdv | DocScrutinizer05, thanks |
| 19:59.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
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