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| 00:47.09 | b-p | wow. maemo lives XD i love it! hello all |
| 00:48.57 | bef0rd | hello |
| 00:49.25 | b-p | help me pls :D im new in n900 maemo and want to install "silverlight", moonlight, mono, i dont know |
| 00:49.30 | b-p | it is possible? |
| 00:51.32 | bef0rd | I remember mono being available, but it's probably an outdated version now |
| 00:52.18 | b-p | and can you tell me the correct package name? cause apt-cache search mono replies with 218 packages :) |
| 00:55.36 | bef0rd | I suppose http://maemo.org/packages/view/mono-complete/ |
| 00:55.55 | bef0rd | seems to be an outdated version as I mentioned early |
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| 02:00.01 | b-p | thank you! |
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| 08:54.59 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 11:36.33 | freemangordon | ~bm |
| 11:36.34 | infobot | i heard backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
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| 12:50.21 | Lava_Croft | Hello |
| 12:50.35 | Lava_Croft | Has the problem concerning N900 not detecting it's own headphones been solved yet? |
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| 13:30.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 13:30.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, clean the springs |
| 13:32.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | tzz, 26 mnutes. Sometimes lag is longer |
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| 14:42.50 | yangs | hello |
| 14:43.51 | yangs | hello |
| 14:44.01 | yangs | is there anone? |
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| 15:11.45 | silviof | yes yangs we are here - but you have to wait for answers ^^ |
| 15:14.51 | freemangordon | but before that... ask a question? |
| 15:20.12 | bennis | 'mplayer -vo xv:ck-method=auto -dr -ao alsa -nocache -autosync 30' is this most optimized setting for playing video with mplayer? |
| 15:32.02 | silviof | :-) |
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| 17:01.28 | erlehmann | how can i have GNU unifont on n900? i made symbols http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/icons/unifont-symbols-emoji.png |
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| 17:49.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | how would you do it on linux? ;-) |
| 17:49.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | (sorry, no clue here about all that font stuff) |
| 17:50.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | my take on fints ends where "shell can do UTF-8 now" |
| 17:51.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | fonts even |
| 18:05.50 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 copy font to $home/.fonts and run "fc-cache -fv" |
| 18:06.35 | freemangordon | erlehmann: did you try that on n900? |
| 18:07.17 | erlehmann | freemangordon nope, i did not. |
| 18:07.29 | erlehmann | i thought maemo might have font facilities on its own. |
| 18:07.57 | freemangordon | hildon-theme-recache-all might be the right tool |
| 18:08.40 | freemangordon | though I am not sure if it will pick up a font from ~/.fonts |
| 18:08.50 | freemangordon | rather put it in /usr/share/fonts |
| 18:09.12 | freemangordon | (or wherever the fonts are located) |
| 18:10.00 | freemangordon | hmm, wait |
| 18:10.04 | freemangordon | there is fc-cache |
| 18:10.16 | freemangordon | NFC what it does though :) |
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| 18:24.39 | erlehmann | wat |
| 18:25.20 | freemangordon | erlehmann: hmm? |
| 18:25.44 | erlehmann | freemangordon NFC? |
| 18:25.49 | freemangordon | ~nfc |
| 18:25.50 | infobot | methinks nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications |
| 18:25.52 | erlehmann | what does NFC have to do with fonts |
| 18:25.53 | erlehmann | oh |
| 18:25.59 | erlehmann | i see |
| 18:26.03 | erlehmann | no near file comm |
| 18:26.07 | erlehmann | field |
| 18:26.08 | freemangordon | sure :) |
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| 18:58.54 | hxka | > hildon-application-manager: apt-worker performance improvements |
| 18:59.07 | hxka | is speedyham in the -thumb repo now& |
| 18:59.11 | freemangordon | yep |
| 18:59.16 | hxka | Niiiiiice |
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| 18:59.52 | freemangordon | hxka: and on a side note - libc6 is thumb-compiled :) |
| 19:01.50 | hxka | Niiiiiice |
| 19:01.56 | hxka | Why 2013? |
| 19:02.04 | freemangordon | a typo |
| 19:02.29 | freemangordon | if you mean 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1+thumb0 |
| 19:02.36 | freemangordon | (the previous version) |
| 19:02.41 | hxka | >Timezone information as of 2013 |
| 19:02.57 | freemangordon | oh |
| 19:03.12 | freemangordon | read that as (by the end of 2013) :) |
| 19:03.58 | hxka | Ah, then it's fine |
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| 19:10.01 | wizbit_ | if one uses swap on a sd card on n900 / maemo, does one still keep the swap active on the internal storage, or does one set it to a lower prioritu or does one disable it? |
| 19:10.43 | freemangordon | wizbit: it is safe (and sane IMO) to disable internal swap if using swap on uSD |
| 19:11.17 | wizbit | ace :D |
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| 19:12.52 | wizbit | freemangordon: im going to follow this guide: http://wiki.maemo.org/Swap_on_microSD |
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| 19:16.07 | wizbit | 'It's propably best to dedicate the whole microSD card for swap, if possible.' |
| 19:16.09 | wizbit | :( |
| 19:16.35 | ShadowJK | Marginally true with very shit cards |
| 19:16.43 | ShadowJK | Not really relevant if you only use it for media storage |
| 19:16.50 | wizbit | ace |
| 19:18.51 | wizbit | this sounds interesting too http://wiki.maemo.org/Ereswap |
| 19:22.48 | wizbit | http://wiki.maemo.org/Flopswap |
| 19:23.53 | wizbit | i will set up 2x swaps on the uSD |
| 19:23.59 | RST38h | moos slightly |
| 19:24.35 | wizbit | 'This moves the swap space to the device so the back cover can be removed.' |
| 19:24.37 | RST38h | Doc: hw:0 is this: http://assets.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/151990/Screen-Shot-20f14-05-01-at-1-22-20-PM.jpg |
| 19:24.37 | wizbit | cool |
| 19:28.16 | hxka | > 2x swaps on the uSD |
| 19:28.21 | hxka | Why? |
| 19:32.33 | wizbit | you can use a app like Flopswap to defrag the swaps |
| 19:32.40 | wizbit | but that requires 2x swaps |
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| 19:36.26 | hxka | I don't really believe that between swap allocation and writing to flash the bottleneck is allocation |
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| 19:38.27 | hxka | Plus, you'll waste a lot of time and flash cycles reswapping |
| 19:44.38 | hxka | Oh, I finally got it, the problem is not in allocation but in ftl |
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| 19:54.03 | hxka | If only it was possible to move all that garbage from one swap to another slowly, without slowing n900 to a halt |
| 19:54.59 | freemangordon | hxka: did you change your queue prameters? |
| 19:55.12 | freemangordon | well, not your queue, but io queue :) |
| 19:57.57 | hxka | I tried it long time ago, when ereswap got introduced. Probably not. |
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| 20:05.54 | freemangordon | hxka: you'd better do it, look at what swappolube recommends |
| 20:06.10 | freemangordon | I can pastebin my own settings if you wish |
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| 20:14.24 | wizbit | its a pity BootMenu doesnt have a defrag swap option |
| 20:14.50 | hxka | what |
| 20:15.04 | hxka | bm doesn't use swap at all |
| 20:15.17 | wizbit | i know, but it could be used to defrag a swap partition |
| 20:15.45 | wizbit | it can fsck partitions |
| 20:16.17 | hxka | > A workaround to this is to disable and enable swap again - linuxswap filesystem content doesn't live through restarts, and once re-enabled, is written sequentially again. |
| 20:16.29 | wizbit | ohh interesting |
| 20:16.36 | wizbit | what about a reboot? |
| 20:17.00 | wizbit | could put in a script what disables and enables swap in startup |
| 20:17.38 | wizbit | or maybe that happens anyway |
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| 20:19.19 | wizbit | or add it as a cron job |
| 20:19.36 | wizbit | so it only happens 3am |
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| 20:24.29 | hxka | remembers seeing kernel patch which disables uSD disconnection on backcover removal |
| 20:24.52 | hxka | wonders why it is not in the current kernel yet |
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| 20:29.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | wizbit: defargmentizing swap after boot is nonsensical and useless |
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| 20:30.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | a boot clears swap anyway |
| 20:31.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | hxka: right, would make for a nice candidate for KP |
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| 20:37.24 | wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: so long as a reboot my phone every now and again i dont need any other tool? |
| 20:37.37 | hxka | A better approach for reswapping would be: when swap1 is used up, swapon swap2; set swap 2 to higher priority than swap1; only swapoff swap1 when it's no longer used or when swap2 got used up as well; repeat for swap2 |
| 20:37.48 | wizbit | hxka: why not just reboot the phone |
| 20:38.16 | hxka | rather that swapoff swap1 immediately after swapon swap2 |
| 20:38.27 | hxka | wizbit: it's all about uptime |
| 20:38.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | wizbit: you for sure can reboot phone when it slows down. that's what users did for 3 years or so |
| 20:38.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it always works |
| 20:39.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | hxka: ack |
| 20:39.19 | wizbit | on average how long does it take for a swap to get defragmented? |
| 20:39.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | defragmented? some minutes |
| 20:39.43 | wizbit | to the point its not usable? |
| 20:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | worst case |
| 20:39.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:40.29 | wizbit | can the n900 hot swap a battery? |
| 20:40.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 20:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really |
| 20:40.57 | wizbit | not even if power is plugged in from mini usb |
| 20:41.03 | hxka | there's a trick with wall charger |
| 20:41.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I came up with a hack to allow it, but of course only with external charger |
| 20:41.10 | wizbit | ok |
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| 20:51.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk for dinner |
| 20:52.06 | xes | freemangordon: do you know if there is a way to get mail uri from modest with a dbus-send command? |
| 20:52.36 | freemangordon | don't know |
| 20:54.15 | xes | dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.modest /com/nokia/modest com.nokia.modest.GetUnreadMessages |
| 20:54.45 | xes | ^ this lists the unread msg ...but no way to read these (afaik) |
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| 21:13.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: sorry no modest dbus client on my system to use mdbus2 <tab> expansion to see what methods it offers |
| 21:14.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | mdbus2 -i |
| 21:14.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | tab works like on shell |
| 21:15.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | tab-tab lists all completions available |
| 21:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | though: MDBUS2> com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer [ERR]: No introspection data at object '/com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer' |
| 21:17.27 | bencoh | how does mdbus work ? |
| 21:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | python |
| 21:17.43 | bencoh | I mean, how does mdbus completion work ? |
| 21:17.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and dbus |
| 21:17.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | introspection |
| 21:18.06 | bencoh | oh, introspection, right |
| 21:18.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | every dbus object SHOULD have an introspection method. Alas several Nokia opbjects don't |
| 21:19.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | there been some "good" reason why they don't, some lib not supporting that or whatever |
| 21:20.34 | bencoh | and/or not willing to build with introspection support |
| 21:20.41 | bencoh | (perf impact ?) |
| 21:20.44 | bencoh | (complexity ?) |
| 21:21.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, the tools they used forbid that, they claimed |
| 21:21.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | some framework that been used |
| 21:21.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 21:21.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea |
| 21:22.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a few years since I asked a colabora or nokia dude why introspection missing |
| 21:22.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | since honestly, it sucks |
| 21:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | they agreed but had a somewhat plausible excuse |
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| 21:23.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl |
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