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| 00:10.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: xes: the power saving mode is per connection in fremantle WLAN |
| 00:10.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 00:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | unlike TX power (10/100mW) which is on same tab but only a global setting |
| 00:12.44 | xes | mario: merlin1991: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/f/fapman/fapman_0.7.1-1_armel.deb should work again |
| 00:13.09 | xes | mario: (but it would be better avoid that deb) |
| 00:13.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, that particular .deb never realy worked ;-P |
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| 00:14.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys HAM |
| 00:14.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 00:15.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~speedyham |
| 00:15.04 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, speedyham is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb |
| 00:15.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo ham is also see ~speedyham |
| 00:15.29 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 00:15.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ham |
| 00:15.36 | infobot | [ham] Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham |
| 00:17.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | when HAM is like earth moving around sun, then speedyham is running circles around HAM like ISS around earth |
| 00:17.48 | xes | :-D |
| 00:18.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | *finally* somebody with a clue looked into HAM and fixed that mess, kicking out nonsensical busy loops doing useless stuff. Kudos freemangordon |
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| 00:22.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah :D |
| 00:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops |
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| 00:31.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: http://privatepaste.com/6f34e4603d :-/ |
| 00:41.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: while in changelogs I see some optimizations for libpixman (shouldn't create a hard dependency on the new version for speedyham), I have nfc where from comes libglib2 version that speedyham claims to need |
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| 00:43.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/home/user/MyDocs/tmp# apt-cache policy libglib2.0-0 |
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| 00:43.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | libglib2.0-0: Installed: 2.20.3-1maemo5+0m5 Candidate: 2.24.1-1maemo1+0cssu0 |
| 00:43.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure I wanna install a new libglib2 to my cssu-testing just to use speedyham |
| 00:44.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if that lib could get installed locally to speedyham |
| 00:48.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | either by placing it into same dedicated dir like speedyham and hoping for ld-linux to find it there prior to global glib, or simply per ld_preload, or maybe it's just a matter of making speedyham install while ignoring those dependency conflicts that shouldn't or MUSTNOT actually cause any problem, the lib ABI is supposed to be unchanged |
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| 00:54.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | dpkg --contents hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb makes me wonder if I actually wanna dare install it |
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| 01:10.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
| 01:11.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | comparing the extracted http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb with what I got on my cssu-testing shows no diff except in /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues |
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| 01:14.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/36019891aa |
| 01:14.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: merlin1991: ping! ^^^? |
| 01:15.12 | merlin1991 | hm? |
| 01:15.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~speedyham |
| 01:15.18 | infobot | i heard speedyham is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb |
| 01:15.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | is not speedyham but standard snailslow ham |
| 01:15.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo speedyham |
| 01:15.45 | infobot | speedyham -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Thu Mar 13 22:28:34 2014 (45 days); last modified at Sat Mar 15 17:52:39 2014 by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 5 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 27s ago. |
| 01:16.00 | merlin1991 | please md5sum usr/libexec/apt-worker from that extract |
| 01:16.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems I got wrong info a 45 days back |
| 01:16.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | np |
| 01:16.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/home/user/MyDocs/tmp/speedy# md5sum ./usr/libexec/apt-worker |
| 01:16.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | f96dffa9c5615d5bcd704b889243fbc6 ./usr/libexec/apt-worker |
| 01:17.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/home/user/MyDocs/tmp/speedy# md5sum /usr/libexec/apt-worker |
| 01:17.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | f96dffa9c5615d5bcd704b889243fbc6 /usr/libexec/apt-worker |
| 01:18.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | note the tiny diff in the two pastes |
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| 01:20.22 | merlin1991 | got the feeling you made a mistake |
| 01:21.14 | merlin1991 | 124054608af9baf3b92ed6ea477915f3 is the md5sum of the current cssu-testing apt-worker |
| 01:21.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/home/user/MyDocs/tmp/speedy# find . -type f -exec cmp {} /{} \; |
| 01:21.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ./etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues /./etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues differieren: Byte 12, Zeile 1. |
| 01:22.18 | merlin1991 | well whatever you're comparing, your installed ham is not cssu-testing 9.1 ham |
| 01:22.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/7cf96bed8f |
| 01:24.52 | merlin1991 | well this is the md5sums file taken directly from within the deb for 2.2.72-5 http://privatepaste.com/ad24a2ea69 |
| 01:24.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/a962959649 |
| 01:25.56 | merlin1991 | so if your /usr/libexec/apt-worker is not 124054608af9baf3b92ed6ea477915f3 then your instalation does not match your dpkg status |
| 01:26.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | my dpkg-status? |
| 01:26.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | which status? |
| 01:26.54 | merlin1991 | that status of the dpkg database |
| 01:27.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, wtf? |
| 01:27.43 | merlin1991 | your device wtf did you do? |
| 01:28.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/6f34e4603d |
| 01:28.03 | merlin1991 | run md5sum -c /var/lib/dpkg/info/hildon-application-manager.md5sums from / |
| 01:28.19 | merlin1991 | that should check if your installation fits what dpkg thinks is installed |
| 01:31.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | FUUUCK it installed despite throwing errors |
| 01:31.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/af8c7f0d25 |
| 01:32.18 | merlin1991 | yep I just read your earlier paste, is says |
| 01:32.18 | merlin1991 | dpkg: error processing hildon-application-manager (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured |
| 01:32.34 | merlin1991 | but configure comes after unpack ... |
| 01:32.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr aha |
| 01:33.03 | merlin1991 | and dpkg has no rollback |
| 01:33.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
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| 01:33.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it installed a binary that has unmet dependencies, niiiice |
| 01:35.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ffs, I created a backup of /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager |
| 01:35.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | hahahaha |
| 01:36.26 | merlin1991 | just install http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.72-5_armel.deb if you want to roll back |
| 01:37.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if that stuff ruined any of my config files |
| 01:37.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | sources.list etc |
| 01:38.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then, I can restore those now very easily ;-) \o/ |
| 01:38.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks enable-catalogs |
| 01:38.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | speedyHAM works! :-D FREAKING FAAAAAAAAAAST! |
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| 01:42.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course it messed up my sources.list or whatever |
| 01:45.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I actually changed catalogs in HAM, enabled extras-devel and disabled extras-testing, HAM did download and update all the enabled catalogs, then I switched from "install" to "update2 when it agan updated all catalogs and then showed me 4 updates available. All in the 4 min from post two up till one up |
| 01:46.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's so incredibly fast you couldn't belive it even when seeing it with your own eyes |
| 01:46.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly when you used stock HAM before |
| 01:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: thanks! |
| 01:48.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how fast it could get when swotching to maemo-extras-devel-lite now |
| 01:48.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | switching |
| 01:48.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 01:49.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | we probably should integrate some sleep() to allow users to think about what they want to install and if they really want to do tha ;-) |
| 01:51.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a really nice experience for today |
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| 02:04.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: I owe you an evening with booze on me, for speedyham |
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| 02:13.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | really wow |
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| 02:15.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | with -devel-light it got again a noticeable kick faster |
| 02:16.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | so awesome you could start to *love* HAM |
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| 10:44.46 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer05: ping |
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| 13:31.38 | dreamer | hi all, I'm looking for an easy way to make a simple desktop widget. any tips? |
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| 13:39.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | queen beecon? |
| 13:40.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly as easy as it gets |
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| 14:19.16 | dreamer | DocScrutinizer05: cool. other than being fugly it seems more or less what I need so I'll have a look ;) |
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| 14:42.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think fugly is up to your config. I seem to recall you can have your own background image and maybe even shape |
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| 15:23.16 | sixwheeledbeast | dreamer: QBW is very fixable, what do you want the widget to do? |
| 15:24.22 | dreamer | two potential things, which I can both do with curl, which I just installed |
| 15:24.31 | dreamer | so I'll see what I can make with that :) |
| 15:25.03 | dreamer | and there is awk, so yeah I can do what I want, I think |
| 15:25.10 | dreamer | will have to write a nice script to wrap it all :) |
| 15:28.19 | Sicelo | does speedyHAM allow to install libraries for example? in HAM a lot of stuff can't really be seen.. |
| 15:30.06 | sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: speedyHAM is HAM on speed, no extra functions |
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| 15:30.48 | sixwheeledbeast | dreamer: so you wish to run scripts? |
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| 15:33.09 | dreamer | sixwheeledbeast: from what I read that's what QBW does, no? |
| 15:33.49 | sixwheeledbeast | the reason I ask is it is possible to create your own hildon style shortcut if you don't like the look of QBW |
| 15:34.24 | sixwheeledbeast | QBW is more flexible than running scripts, it can output data to the desktop widget |
| 15:34.33 | dreamer | ok, well QBW does update the colour, which is nice for what I want |
| 15:34.43 | sixwheeledbeast | QBW it is then |
| 15:35.36 | dreamer | I'm looking to do two things: check a json file for a value (and change an icon based on that) and do a http POST request with one of two possible values (which is determined by the first action) |
| 15:35.54 | dreamer | so i'm thinking of some hackery around curl and awk |
| 15:37.14 | sixwheeledbeast | This is why I asked what it was for :) if it was to simply run or open something you could make a shortcut. Much like I have for opening a particular spreadsheet file. |
| 15:37.31 | sixwheeledbeast | Have a look at the examples on the QBW thread and QBW wiki page for help. |
| 15:37.33 | dreamer | yeah I want to do more than that |
| 15:37.43 | dreamer | yeah I'll see when my motivation is up ;) |
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| 15:50.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I had a QBW widget to switch on/off auto-connect_to_WLAN, showed green when on and red when off |
| 15:50.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | showing own IP is another nice widget |
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| 15:51.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | reading out battery charge from bq27200 comes to mind |
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| 15:53.26 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: that sounds useful |
| 15:55.04 | sixwheeledbeast | I found external IP widgets can cause h-d to hang if your not careful |
| 15:56.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm yeah, you for sure should make sure that your script behind the QBW widget returns soonish |
| 15:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | since all widgets run *inside* the main H-D thread |
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| 15:56.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | so one single bad widget can nuke your whole desktop |
| 15:57.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a segfaulting widget can even cause a bootloop |
| 15:57.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty unfortunate system design |
| 15:58.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody must've been on crack |
| 16:07.39 | sixwheeledbeast | python is terrible for leaking into h-d |
| 16:20.48 | ecc3g | friendly FM widget = desktop killer for me... |
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| 16:44.53 | sixwheeledbeast | IMO the longer you have your N900 the less third-party widgetz you bother with. |
| 16:48.19 | sixwheeledbeast | I currently only have OMWeather installed, when I first started I did have 10 QBW's and allsorts but I got fed up with h-d hanging and slow performance. |
| 16:49.02 | sixwheeledbeast | Slowly they got removed |
| 16:53.51 | ecc3g | some widgets seem stable ... OMWeather seems stable |
| 16:54.49 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: its a PITA to find a rogue one tho. |
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| 17:07.03 | ShadowJK | I used to have 0 widgets, now I have a few weblinks |
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| 18:20.12 | wizbit | is there a way to make a n900 / maemo boot so it shows the linux kernel log? |
| 18:20.42 | wizbit | also, does maemo do a fsck when it boots? |
| 18:25.59 | NIN101 | load the fbcon module at boot time, assuming the kernel you are using has it. |
| 18:26.52 | wizbit | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown |
| 18:27.27 | wizbit | FATAL: Module fbcon not found. |
| 18:27.29 | wizbit | :D |
| 18:27.48 | wizbit | is it worth using the power kernel: http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Installing_the_Stable_Kernel |
| 18:27.51 | wizbit | ? |
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| 18:38.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, for fbcon for sure |
| 18:39.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | also for another few negligences like USB hostmode, netfilters/NAT etc |
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| 18:48.07 | wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: do i need the U-Boot kernel |
| 18:48.17 | wizbit | or just: Linux kernel for power user |
| 18:48.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you have uboot installed? |
| 18:48.35 | wizbit | i installed that menu thing |
| 18:48.39 | wizbit | im not sure if its uboot |
| 18:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's BM, right? |
| 18:49.00 | wizbit | BootMenu |
| 18:49.01 | wizbit | yes |
| 18:49.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not uBoot |
| 18:49.10 | wizbit | right ok |
| 18:49.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | so no, you don't need uBoot kernel |
| 18:49.31 | wizbit | I will now install using HAM: Linux kernel for power user |
| 18:49.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead |
| 18:49.41 | wizbit | ace :D |
| 18:49.47 | wizbit | this is like a mini computer |
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| 18:49.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | this IS a mini computer |
| 18:50.02 | wizbit | oh yes :D |
| 18:50.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and Nokia never got the catch on that particular fact |
| 18:50.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | N9 is not |
| 18:50.58 | jdoles | I keep discovering new features in mine. |
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| 18:51.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | wizbit: you might want to go for speedyham |
| 18:51.28 | wizbit | ok |
| 18:51.43 | wizbit | i think fsck is important, i think the power kernel supports that? |
| 18:51.43 | jdoles | speedyham? Is that like HAM, but 'not slow'? |
| 18:51.47 | RiD | ~speedyHAM |
| 18:51.47 | infobot | i heard speedyham is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb |
| 18:52.12 | RiD | never heard of it... what did I miss? |
| 18:52.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-04-28.log.html#t2014-04-28T03:17:10 |
| 18:53.09 | wizbit | how do you do a reboot so BootMenu appears? if i use the power off feature from the title bar, it just reboots without showing BootMenu |
| 18:53.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | open slider |
| 18:54.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | backupmenu |
| 18:54.13 | wizbit | ok |
| 18:54.17 | RiD | so speedyham is out... since today? |
| 18:54.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not really out at all yet |
| 18:54.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | next CSSU-T release will have it, i heard |
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| 18:54.59 | RiD | cool, i'll wait for it |
| 18:55.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you don't want to wait for that AWESOME improvement :-D |
| 18:55.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | make a BM backup, do http://privatepaste.com/6f34e4603d |
| 18:55.45 | wizbit | would be nice to get rid of that nokia hand shake video when it boots lol |
| 18:55.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | wizbit: see |
| 18:55.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 18:55.57 | infobot | methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 18:56.02 | wizbit | ok :D |
| 18:56.10 | RiD | any more wishes? lol |
| 18:56.36 | wizbit | one last one, can the phone go into portrait mode |
| 18:56.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | install CSSU-T |
| 18:56.55 | RiD | DocScrutinizer05 i haven't installed much these times, my n900 has seen busier days |
| 18:56.56 | wizbit | wow |
| 18:56.57 | wizbit | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power52 #1 PREEMPT Sat Apr 6 11:59:23 UTC 2013 armv7l unknown |
| 18:57.04 | RiD | (still primary device) |
| 18:57.25 | wizbit | is CSSU-T = thumb? |
| 18:57.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 18:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-t is a subset of cssu-thumb |
| 18:58.03 | wizbit | i havent install thumb yet |
| 18:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | T like Testing |
| 18:58.15 | wizbit | do i just activate the thumb repo and update? |
| 18:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 18:58.16 | infobot | rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 18:58.42 | wizbit | im running CSSU |
| 18:58.44 | wizbit | but not thumb |
| 18:59.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | (actually even CSSU-S can do portrait mode, but the widget to enable it is missing) |
| 18:59.28 | wizbit | i think my phone contacts went into portrait mode somehow |
| 18:59.32 | wizbit | but im not sure how i did it |
| 18:59.55 | RiD | ctrl+shift+r? |
| 18:59.55 | wizbit | its not essential |
| 18:59.59 | RiD | i think it worked in pr1.2 or something |
| 19:00.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | dialer (incl "show contacts") has an option to go to portrait even in stock |
| 19:00.12 | RiD | aha |
| 19:00.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | see menu in dialer |
| 19:00.28 | RiD | wizbit you won't find yourself using it in portrait that often anyways |
| 19:00.33 | wizbit | true |
| 19:00.50 | wizbit | does the power kernel do a auto fsck when it boots? |
| 19:01.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | every kernel does (not, since system does) |
| 19:01.24 | wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: does it need setting up from fstab? |
| 19:01.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 19:01.43 | wizbit | ok :D |
| 19:01.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | NAND has ubifs which per definition doesn't need nor have fsck |
| 19:02.17 | wizbit | ace :D |
| 19:02.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | MyDocs is VFAT and sysinit scripts do fsck when needed |
| 19:02.38 | wizbit | would it be better if MyDocs was ext3? |
| 19:03.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I FINALLY WANT THAT NOTIFICATION LED BLINK RED when fsck is running |
| 19:03.13 | wizbit | good idea |
| 19:03.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | wizbit: depends. you can't mass storage mount it then |
| 19:03.49 | wizbit | yep true, also should i change swap partition? like you said? |
| 19:04.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's critical. If you dare you can give it a try |
| 19:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then your system will stall when opening battery cover |
| 19:04.34 | wizbit | ok if its critical, i will do it! |
| 19:04.57 | wizbit | i will turn off system if i need to remove battery cover |
| 19:04.58 | RiD | lol |
| 19:05.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not generally recommended for "normal users" |
| 19:05.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I for one never really used it, I tested it once |
| 19:05.39 | wizbit | ok i wont bother doing it?! |
| 19:05.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | fund the effect to be marginal for me since I'm humble with RAM usage |
| 19:05.55 | wizbit | ok |
| 19:05.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | found* |
| 19:06.05 | wizbit | so there is only 1 think left, CSSU-THUMB |
| 19:06.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait with that! |
| 19:06.20 | wizbit | oh ok |
| 19:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least one month |
| 19:06.24 | wizbit | ok |
| 19:06.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | make yourself familiar with "stock" maemo |
| 19:06.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | thumb is clumsy to handle |
| 19:06.49 | wizbit | ok will do |
| 19:06.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes |
| 19:07.10 | wizbit | i have a root ssh password, i login via root |
| 19:07.25 | wizbit | should i set a passwword for User instead and disable root ssh login? |
| 19:07.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | OOOH keep in mind your BM backups need the right kernel when restoring |
| 19:07.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't restore a BM backup to a different kernel |
| 19:07.49 | wizbit | i havent backed up yet :D |
| 19:08.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | dman you! ;-P |
| 19:08.12 | wizbit | want to get system setup just right then i will |
| 19:08.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should do a backup *before* you messed up stuff by trying to get it right ;-) |
| 19:08.42 | wizbit | ohhh |
| 19:08.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course again after succeeding |
| 19:08.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;) |
| 19:09.00 | wizbit | well it seems ok now, im not going to put much more on it |
| 19:09.03 | wizbit | i will backup soon |
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| 19:09.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | cmd: Today is Pungenday, the 45th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180 |
| 19:09.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl |
| 19:10.20 | wizbit | oh yes there is one last problem |
| 19:10.24 | wizbit | i added a Skype account |
| 19:10.32 | wizbit | but i cannot get a video call option to show |
| 19:10.54 | wizbit | it looks like the n900 has a front facing camera |
| 19:10.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, you don't wanna know my advice regarding skype |
| 19:11.22 | wizbit | well my friends and family are on it, im not a great fan of it either |
| 19:11.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik skype video should "work" via frontcam |
| 19:11.41 | jdoles | Yeah, it "works". |
| 19:11.49 | jdoles | The resolution is "terrible". |
| 19:11.51 | wizbit | maybe the power kernel will make it work |
| 19:11.52 | wizbit | lol |
| 19:12.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | skype kills your battery |
| 19:12.15 | jdoles | If you want a working solution, get the iPhone stuff. |
| 19:12.16 | wizbit | eeek |
| 19:12.22 | wizbit | no thanks |
| 19:12.29 | wizbit | maybe google video might be better |
| 19:12.43 | jdoles | AFAIK, Apple has the best tech there now. |
| 19:12.54 | jdoles | Now, it might do worse along other dimensions. |
| 19:12.59 | jdoles | I wasn't talking about that. |
| 19:13.04 | wizbit | aye ok |
| 19:13.30 | wizbit | my friends think i have a cheap old calculator, little do they know... hehe |
| 19:13.34 | jdoles | I also won't buy a new "phone" until I can upgrade to something which is still a "mini computer". |
| 19:13.50 | wizbit | me too |
| 19:13.55 | wizbit | neo900 |
| 19:14.11 | wizbit | i wonder if the neo900 has a better front camera |
| 19:14.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | sipgate.de |
| 19:14.46 | wizbit | i use giffgaff in UK |
| 19:14.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, the cameras are all the same. Particularly front cam |
| 19:14.58 | wizbit | ok its no big deal |
| 19:15.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you wanna do video calls, use a decent laptop or desktop PC |
| 19:15.36 | wizbit | yep |
| 19:15.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't wanna stare at your phone while running into a bus |
| 19:16.04 | wizbit | LOL |
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| 19:16.43 | jdoles | DocScrutinizer05: but phones are going to make laptops absolute!?! |
| 19:17.04 | jdoles | That was a joke, including the spelling. |
| 19:17.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | since skype is M$, you won't be a happy surfer with it on any other platform than windoze anyway, for much longer |
| 19:17.24 | wizbit | there is a google video app in a repo |
| 19:17.29 | jdoles | DocScrutinizer05: I think the economics have changed on that already. |
| 19:17.44 | jdoles | DocScrutinizer05: in enterprises people want to have Linux support now too. |
| 19:18.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | OMG, poor maemo |
| 19:18.10 | jdoles | DocScrutinizer05: effectively, people are using stuff like Google Hangouts, even though there are proprietary systems which only run on commercial OSs. |
| 19:18.46 | wizbit | what are cool things to show on desktop, i have the weather showing with some shortcuts |
| 19:18.49 | wizbit | and the media player |
| 19:20.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | try wifi-eye |
| 19:20.05 | wizbit | ok |
| 19:20.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes comes in handy to analyze the RF landscape |
| 19:20.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you mean widgets? |
| 19:20.56 | wizbit | yes |
| 19:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | wifieye is no widget |
| 19:21.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have a few contacts shortcuts to directly call some of my freinds with two clicks |
| 19:21.47 | wizbit | some system info would be nice |
| 19:21.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have a shortcut to "settings" |
| 19:22.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | load applet is all the "system info2 I realy need |
| 19:22.21 | wizbit | i installed load applet |
| 19:22.28 | wizbit | does that create the icons in the title bar |
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| 19:22.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 19:22.35 | wizbit | ohhh nice |
| 19:22.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | left is CPU, right is memory usage |
| 19:23.22 | wizbit | i dont see that |
| 19:23.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | when CPU is in the red, you prolly should wait for something to finish |
| 19:23.38 | wizbit | imaybe it isnt on there after all |
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| 19:26.06 | wizbit | i do have this |
| 19:26.06 | wizbit | http://my-maemo.com/grafika/load-applet.jpg |
| 19:28.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | the lower left two are buttons for screenshot and screencast from load applet |
| 19:28.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | the real thing sits in the systray |
| 19:28.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | next to the battery icon |
| 19:29.44 | wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: my icons look pretty much like this |
| 19:29.45 | wizbit | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Maemo5-screenshot.png |
| 19:30.01 | wizbit | those bars on the left are for cpu? |
| 19:30.05 | wizbit | *right |
| 19:30.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and your cpu is in 0.5 bars, mam at 2 bars |
| 19:30.17 | wizbit | i thought that was wifi signal lol |
| 19:31.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | wifi is left of green dot |
| 19:31.28 | wizbit | ace |
| 19:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | why is your GPS enabled? |
| 19:31.49 | wizbit | im going to try this script so i can videos playing ok |
| 19:31.51 | wizbit | https://code.google.com/p/vikrant-incubator/source/browse/ruby/ffmpeg_n900.rb |
| 19:31.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | is that OK? |
| 19:31.55 | wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: thats not my screen |
| 19:32.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 19:32.29 | wizbit | then i can watch movies on the train |
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| 19:40.50 | wizbit | tests a video |
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| 19:43.15 | wizbit | it works :D |
| 19:45.00 | wizbit | perfect res |
| 19:45.02 | wizbit | ffmpeg -i "test.mp4" -vcodec libx264 -vpre hq -vpre ipod640 -b 800k -s 800x450 -acodec libmp3lame -ab 128k -ac 2 "test.mp4.n900.mp4" |
| 19:45.14 | wizbit | actually i took away the hq preset for my version of ffmpeg |
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| 19:57.01 | wizbit | i have to admit, this phone + maemo is _AWESOME_ |
| 19:57.14 | bencoh | :) |
| 19:58.36 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: speedyham in cssu-devel repo depends on newer libglib as it was compiled on a system(SB) upgraded to the latest -testing. Which introduced upgraded libglib |
| 19:59.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: yes, thought as much. But that's not what it should do |
| 19:59.44 | freemangordon | prolly, but I don;t see a way to correctly handle that |
| 19:59.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | dependencies should be tailored to the actualy need, which is usually "a lib compatible to..." |
| 20:00.06 | freemangordon | I know, but this dependency doesn't come from debian/control |
| 20:00.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | freakin shite |
| 20:00.21 | freemangordon | it is auto-generated |
| 20:00.32 | freemangordon | by dh_ scripts |
| 20:00.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's kinda buggy |
| 20:01.52 | freemangordon | I wouldn't say it is, after all those scripts take what is currently installed as a minimum needed version, which makes sense |
| 20:02.37 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: also, upgrading libglib is not that scary :P |
| 20:03.33 | freemangordon | the same comes for libpixman |
| 20:03.43 | freemangordon | (auto-generated dependency) |
| 20:04.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm tempted to hexedit the .deb to s/libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0)/libglib2.0-0 (>= 0.00.0)/ |
| 20:05.17 | Ashley` | debs suck :c |
| 20:05.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | what an idiocy to specify a particular version for everything |
| 20:05.38 | freemangordon | no need to hexedit the .deb |
| 20:05.52 | freemangordon | just edit ... umm... where it was |
| 20:06.16 | freemangordon | well dpkg database, it should be somewhere in /var/lib/dpkg or /usr/lib/dpkg |
| 20:06.26 | freemangordon | it is a plaintext file |
| 20:06.33 | Ashley` | hexediting deb may not be that easy |
| 20:06.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | what for? would that fix the issue for others? |
| 20:06.38 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 20:06.52 | Ashley` | its gzipped tar in ar |
| 20:06.52 | freemangordon | for "others" there is no issu |
| 20:06.57 | freemangordon | *issue |
| 20:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 20:07.04 | bencoh | yup, just ar x/tar x |
| 20:07.11 | freemangordon | you're installing stuff from cssu-devel repo |
| 20:07.20 | freemangordon | ~cssu-devel |
| 20:07.20 | infobot | i guess cssu-devel is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84292, or extremely deprecated for any non-developer |
| 20:07.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 20:07.36 | freemangordon | it may eat your brain |
| 20:07.41 | freemangordon | :P |
| 20:07.48 | bencoh | brains are overrated anyway |
| 20:07.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not interested in this type of discussion |
| 20:08.27 | freemangordon | speedyham is cssu material, you may try to install it on your x86 PC and complain that it is not compatible and has missing dependencies |
| 20:08.35 | freemangordon | as well |
| 20:08.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | it sounds like "look you're not supposed to use it anyway, so I fucked it up to make sure you get a headache when you nevertheless do" |
| 20:09.13 | freemangordon | and you are well aware that cssu policy is "take it or leave it" |
| 20:09.20 | freemangordon | ofc not |
| 20:09.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not interested in your policy either |
| 20:09.46 | freemangordon | It is not me put that dependency to make your life harder |
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| 20:10.09 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: just git clone and build it in non-cssu SB |
| 20:10.23 | freemangordon | you'll have your dependency in place |
| 20:10.30 | freemangordon | *dependencies |
| 20:10.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | please tell that wizbit |
| 20:11.13 | freemangordon | well, the real problem is that last cssu-stable update was more than year ago, correct? |
| 20:11.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got my "dependencies in place" already |
| 20:11.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | the real problem is that the .deb is fucked up so it's not usable on stock maemo |
| 20:12.03 | freemangordon | it was never meant to be usable on stock maemo. period |
| 20:12.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't care. period |
| 20:14.55 | freemangordon | aaaand... my nokia developer account has been terminated :) |
| 20:15.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 20:15.50 | freemangordon | OMG: |
| 20:16.02 | freemangordon | Nokia account <comms-NokiaAccount-noreply at nokia dot microsoft dot com> |
| 20:16.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | what else did you expect? |
| 20:16.40 | freemangordon | nothing, but my eyes started to bleed :) |
| 20:17.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait till you do a whois on the (then deceased) maemo.org domain |
| 20:17.30 | freemangordon | yeah :( |
| 20:18.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly pointing to mobilephones.microsoft.com then, by CNAME |
| 20:18.29 | freemangordon | maybe we should act pro-actively and change HAM catalogues in advance |
| 20:18.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggested that several times during last 12 months or so |
| 20:18.54 | freemangordon | but I guess that should come from the council |
| 20:19.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | last time I checked I been council member |
| 20:19.21 | freemangordon | I know |
| 20:19.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | only 2 more weeks though |
| 20:19.25 | freemangordon | do something then |
| 20:20.06 | freemangordon | we have the tool to do it (you-know-which-package) |
| 20:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:20.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I'm out of this business, fed up by the flaming and bullying |
| 20:21.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the ignorance |
| 20:22.33 | freemangordon | when is the next council meeting? tomorrow? |
| 20:22.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | go ask HiFo which decade of which century they hope to finalize their negotiations with Nokia |
| 20:24.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | and which fraction of the donations/fund they plan to dedicate to that task |
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| 20:25.53 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: whan is the next planned council meeting? |
| 20:25.57 | freemangordon | *when |
| 20:26.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | while a domain registration already costs ~10EUR/year, and I'm not willing to pay any more cent from my own pocket, and I'm also not willing to accept any more donations to my private account just to hear about tax evasion and forgery and whatnot |
| 20:26.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: NFC, it seems there are no regular meetings anymore |
| 20:26.52 | freemangordon | cool :( |
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| 20:27.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least there are no meeting minutes, right? |
| 20:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also can't see any activity of council to start next elections |
| 20:29.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I explaned like 5 times that this time I *won't* push those |
| 20:29.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | first time I did explain been _before_ last elections |
| 20:30.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's simply nobody interested anymore, in anything related to maemo |
| 20:31.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly not in electroate |
| 20:32.05 | wizbit | typing in my complex passwords is quite difficult on a n900 |
| 20:32.09 | wizbit | i might setup ssh keys |
| 20:32.30 | wizbit | can the n900 browser remember passwords? |
| 20:33.43 | xes | inz: ping |
| 20:35.45 | RiD | wizbit quite a basic feature.. the answer is obviously yes |
| 20:36.47 | wizbit | eeek my dmesg says lots of times |
| 20:36.53 | wizbit | wlan0: driver reports beacon loss from AP cf1bf52c - sending probe request |
| 20:38.08 | wizbit | is it safe to issue a: reboot from the terminal ? |
| 20:39.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:39.24 | wizbit | ace |
| 20:39.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically |
| 20:39.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.google.de/search?q=cf1bf52c |
| 20:40.41 | inz | xes, pong? |
| 20:41.31 | xes | hi inz! If i'm not wrong you were the maintainer of http://maemo-hackers.org... Isn't it? |
| 20:41.55 | inz | I was, yes |
| 20:42.18 | wizbit | seems ok after reboot |
| 20:42.19 | xes | about the repo and sources, is everything lost? |
| 20:43.22 | wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: sorry to repeat, how can i launch BackupMenu when it boots? |
| 20:43.36 | Ashley` | open keyboard? |
| 20:43.47 | Ashley` | and maybe press something |
| 20:43.53 | wizbit | it was open?! |
| 20:43.58 | Ashley` | hm |
| 20:44.03 | Ashley` | then i dont remember |
| 20:44.05 | wizbit | i installed a new kernel |
| 20:44.09 | wizbit | i wonder if that wipes it |
| 20:44.18 | wizbit | ill try again |
| 20:44.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | full boot |
| 20:44.30 | wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: how can i do that ? |
| 20:44.37 | wizbit | reboot from terminal? |
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| 20:44.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | easiest way: switch device on |
| 20:45.00 | inz | xes, they're not lost, still on the disk; put them online at: http://inz.fi/mh-apt/ |
| 20:46.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | from terminal a shutdown -r now should do |
| 20:46.49 | wizbit | it works |
| 20:46.51 | wizbit | with keyboard open |
| 20:46.54 | wizbit | :D |
| 20:46.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | though i'm not sure it has the right bootreason for BM then |
| 20:48.08 | wizbit | its time to get the nokia booting so it shows the kernel log, like a proper linux box :D |
| 20:48.47 | wizbit | wow |
| 20:48.47 | wizbit | http://i.imgur.com/9Sjs3.jpg |
| 20:49.17 | xes | inz: if you don't mind, i would like to mirror these contents and ask our council to keep a copy into repository.maemo.org |
| 20:50.07 | inz | xes, if you feel like there's something worth saving, then sure =) |
| 20:51.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: simply go ahead, there's basically no council that will decide on such stuff anymore. Heck it's even unclear it seems if council is allowed to decide such stuff, when you ever were to ask HiFo |
| 20:52.03 | xes | inz: thank you! I'm going to mirror that and proceed asking about keeping a copy into repository.maemo.org |
| 20:53.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | while for me it's unclear if HiFo has to decide on *anything*, considering they don't have any paper at hand |
| 20:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | it all boils down to "ask M$ or simply do it" |
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| 20:57.53 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: since in my opinion these contents are useful, let's proceed step by step |
| 20:58.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | what you gonna do when in two weeks maemo.org is a CNAME to mobilephones.microsoft.com ? |
| 21:00.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | *I* got my hardcoded IPs in rtc/hosts still. I wonder how many of the community do |
| 21:00.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | etc* |
| 21:01.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also got my complete local backup of tabletsdev |
| 21:02.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if I want or need mirrors of base repos, tools, SDK |
| 21:04.10 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: don't worry, there is always a solution ... |
| 21:04.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 21:04.41 | bencoh | I mirrored most of nokia's repos btw |
| 21:05.22 | wizbit | got fbcon working :D |
| 21:05.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | we could publish a note on /. about "please open HAM, click "catalogs" in menu, then "new", then enter the following settings..." |
| 21:06.27 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: how big are extras{,-testing,-devel} and community{,-testing,-devel,-thumb} btw ? |
| 21:06.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask xes |
| 21:06.39 | xes | wizbit: warning, pay attention to fbcon it's a crash generator... |
| 21:06.54 | wizbit | its not safe to use? |
| 21:06.59 | bencoh | xes: how big are extras/community repos ? |
| 21:07.26 | xes | bencoh: more than 750 GB |
| 21:07.40 | bencoh | wow |
| 21:08.04 | Ashley` | my hdd is 180GB :v |
| 21:08.08 | bencoh | that seems huge (even compared to debian) |
| 21:08.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty bloated |
| 21:08.39 | bencoh | do you keep archives of old builds/packages ? |
| 21:08.40 | xes | but probably there are a few duplicates not used |
| 21:08.47 | bencoh | I hope so |
| 21:09.27 | bencoh | I guess I should try apt-mirroring it and see what it says to have a more accurate value |
| 21:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | tabletsdev alone is >30GB |
| 21:10.09 | xes | bencoh: no |
| 21:10.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | the maemo-extras[-*] repos are the least problematic |
| 21:10.33 | bencoh | no I shouldnt, or no it wont be more accurate ? |
| 21:11.45 | bencoh | (yesterday I considered mirroring it as well then thought it might be a bit heavy on maemo infra) |
| 21:11.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | hosted in a safe place, on a decent machine, by respected competent sysops |
| 21:12.31 | bencoh | aren't they run by hifo as well ? |
| 21:12.41 | xes | bencoh: example: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/m/modrana/ |
| 21:12.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, maemo infra can cope with that easily, as long as you don't access web content managed by midgard |
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| 21:14.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Apt-mirror |
| 21:14.58 | bencoh | that's what I used ;) |
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| 21:17.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirrors |
| 21:17.19 | infobot | rumour has it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new |
| 21:20.46 | bencoh | oh :) |
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| 21:45.05 | Rotacidni | Hi |
| 21:46.06 | Rotacidni | I have a N900, and I love it. But the hardware is inevitable out-of-date. |
| 21:46.32 | Rotacidni | I feel sorry that I have to buy a new android based phone maybe. |
| 21:47.20 | Rotacidni | Do you have any idea on where Maemo will go? |
| 21:48.04 | Rotacidni | I recently successfully paired my google glass with N900 with bluetooth PAN. |
| 21:52.49 | wizbit | i wonder if this will work in maemo5 |
| 21:52.50 | wizbit | http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/maemo.jacekowski.org/pool/free/c/chromium/ |
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| 22:35.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Rotacidni: maybe neo900 is an alternative for you? |
| 22:36.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway it's probably the only direction "maemo will go" |
| 22:37.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and maybe even towards newer and better CPU once we ported fremantle to another OMAP and liberated the closed blobs |
| 22:37.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | with Neo901 though |
| 22:38.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900 will have a DM3730 OMAP3 CPU |
| 22:38.38 | okias | Rotacidni: but rather than Android phone Jolla |
| 22:38.58 | okias | Rotacidni: at least it does use more than modded linux kernel.. |
| 22:43.08 | bencoh | hmmm |
| 22:43.11 | bencoh | kinda |
| 22:43.30 | bencoh | jolla's still a frankenstein androphone |
| 22:43.46 | bencoh | (and it seems they intend to keep it this way) |
| 22:45.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously |
| 22:47.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even worse in my book: it keeps the paradigm that made harmattan/N9 unattractive to me. N9 been the first *phone* in the whole series. everything before been a Nokia Internet Tablet, read: a palmtop computer. N9 and Jolla clearly left behind the computer paradigm and went "phone with apps" |
| 22:49.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | on harmattan it's blatantly obvious: edit anything in system config and you get a malfuntion on next boot and need to reflash |
| 22:50.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | user is just that: a *user* who mustn't touch the system |
| 22:50.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wanna *own* my device, that's why I went with linux phones to begin with |
| 22:51.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | when I want that other concept, then damn sure I rather would've gone with iPhone or winphone |
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| 22:52.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't need Nokia's me-too appearance to join the mainstream of sheep without any power on their own devices |
| 22:53.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | or let me put it this way: when I need to root my phone, I will make sure it's worth it |
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| 22:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or yet another ~5 years old saying: "jailbreak? LOL! on myPhone i'm root!" |
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