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| 09:09.52 | Apic | A wonderful splendid good Morning (UGT) on this gorgeous Boomtime! |
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| 13:02.15 | erlehmann | ohai |
| 13:02.20 | erlehmann | i have a n900 |
| 13:02.32 | erlehmann | but nokia web page for flasher and firmware is not there anymore. |
| 13:02.35 | erlehmann | what do? |
| 13:05.11 | inz | ~combined |
| 13:05.11 | infobot | hmm... combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 13:05.44 | jormungandr | ~flasher |
| 13:05.44 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 13:06.24 | erlehmann | intredasting |
| 13:06.35 | erlehmann | thx inz jormungandr |
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| 13:08.19 | erlehmann | ~emmc |
| 13:08.19 | infobot | i heard emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
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| 17:00.06 | Mike11 | hi all :) |
| 17:01.37 | Mike11 | the headphone jack at my laptop is not detecting my headphones, there is something in the connectors , but I can't fix it , so I was thinking of a wirkaround |
| 17:01.44 | Mike11 | workaround** |
| 17:02.07 | Mike11 | can I use my n900 as a bluetooth headset for my laptop? |
| 17:02.54 | Mike11 | I can do the opposite using my current bluetooth drivers (use my laptop as a headset) |
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| 18:20.36 | erlehmann | is there a general update strategy? |
| 18:20.39 | erlehmann | i notice i have python 2.5 on my device |
| 18:20.53 | erlehmann | will "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" do? |
| 18:36.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get upgrade is massively deprecated |
| 18:37.26 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 so how do i upgrade to latest version of packages? |
| 18:37.31 | erlehmann | i only got n900 yesterday |
| 18:37.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | it won't give you any new stuff from nokia's core repos, and even for maemo-extras repo is is prone to install stuff that HAM wouldn't and that breaks your system |
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| 18:38.01 | erlehmann | so what would you reccommend |
| 18:40.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: you should install CSSU-Stable (or testing if you dare), and simply use HAM which checks for updates on a timed schedule without you worrying about it. When there are any updates, you see a blinking [!] in systray and clicking it will open HAM and offer to install the available updates |
| 18:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU is unrelated to the latter (HAM) and not exactly mandatory |
| 18:42.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | what however *is* mandatory: don't keep maemo-extras-devel repository enabled for those update checks, since in m-extras-devel (short: "-devel") there are lots of "updates" you rather do NOT want to install. See name of the repository |
| 18:43.20 | erlehmann | let me read up on CSSU |
| 18:43.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | to understand this special situation around apt vs HAM is one of the keys to a satisfying maemo user experience. Maemo is NOT exactly debian, the software package management is significantly different |
| 18:43.58 | erlehmann | ah, the CSSU is the stable distribution |
| 18:44.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU is an overlay over stock repos in which bugfixed packages get deployed |
| 18:45.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | it is NOT a distro |
| 18:45.23 | erlehmann | oh okay |
| 18:45.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly not a better or alternative distro |
| 18:45.57 | erlehmann | but i get up to date python package? |
| 18:46.07 | erlehmann | and can develop software so it is available on n900? |
| 18:46.26 | erlehmann | i have made a pygame based synthesizer |
| 18:46.39 | erlehmann | i would like to port that, but i need python 2.7 and pygame. |
| 18:47.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: I think alternative python packages are available in maemo-extras* |
| 18:47.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 18:47.36 | infobot | i guess pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 18:48.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/python2.7/ |
| 18:48.31 | erlehmann | noice |
| 18:48.33 | erlehmann | thx \o/ |
| 18:48.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/python3/ |
| 18:49.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/python3.2/ |
| 18:49.05 | erlehmann | \o/ |
| 18:49.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | using apt-cache search and apt-cache policy is also not risky and sometimes convenient |
| 18:50.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get install you should already know what you're doing, some pkgs fail on that |
| 18:50.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get *upgrade is DEPRECATED |
| 18:50.43 | erlehmann | so what use instead |
| 18:51.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | as a general rule: use HAM for installing any packages |
| 18:51.45 | erlehmann | how? |
| 18:51.57 | erlehmann | what is command line? |
| 18:52.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | if HAM doesn't offer to install the package then there's a reason for that. Understand the reason before you go and ruin your system with apt-get install |
| 18:52.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAM is a GUI program |
| 18:52.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | the Hildon "Package Manager" |
| 18:52.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ham |
| 18:52.44 | infobot | well, ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does |
| 18:52.58 | erlehmann | can i exclude evil packages? |
| 18:53.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | you *can* do almost everything, this is linux after all |
| 18:54.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | but first, you need to know +what* you want to do |
| 18:54.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and *how* to actually accomplish that |
| 18:54.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | for that you need to understand how maemo differs from what you're used to from standard debian |
| 18:55.21 | erlehmann | where can i find a list of that? |
| 18:56.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | steer clear of shortcuts some people recommend, like "I never use HAM, I only use apt-get", "Use fapman! it's waaay faster than HAM" and the like |
| 18:56.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | (list of that) this stuff is really poorly documented, if at all |
| 18:57.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | learning about scratchbox maemo SDK, about autobuilder and about repositories helps a bit |
| 18:58.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | for advanced users there are a few other interesting entry points |
| 18:58.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 18:58.29 | infobot | it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 18:59.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel#Limiting_the_damage |
| 18:59.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fapman |
| 18:59.40 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. in short, it's deprecated |
| 19:01.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: generally asking in here is always a good idea. questions like "I want to do X. I looked up in p, q, r how to do it and seems Y is the right way. Correct?" never are frowned upon |
| 19:01.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the answers you get are at least 80% correct |
| 19:02.51 | erlehmann | thx |
| 19:03.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw :-) also welcome to maemo and N900! |
| 19:03.37 | erlehmann | i have written a build system that depends only on /bin/sh and unix utilities |
| 19:03.41 | erlehmann | redo |
| 19:03.44 | erlehmann | after a design by DJB |
| 19:03.53 | erlehmann | how i make a package? make deb package first? |
| 19:04.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | you generally want to use maemo scratchbox SDK |
| 19:04.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb |
| 19:04.26 | infobot | methinks scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 19:04.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 19:04.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide |
| 19:07.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: ^^^ |
| 19:07.39 | erlehmann | thx |
| 19:09.04 | freemangordon | needs ARM hexrays :( |
| 19:09.26 | freemangordon | how it is possible it is still not leaked?!? |
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| 19:10.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: recently nobody succeeded with installing 'native' maemo SDK afaik (I.E. installing scratchbox to your PC's /scratchbox/ dir). It's widely considered too cumbersome. Instead use a VM with a complete SB installation inside |
| 19:10.39 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 nobody succeeded? |
| 19:10.40 | freemangordon | hmm, actually I did it 2 months ago |
| 19:10.53 | freemangordon | on ununtu 12.04 64 bit |
| 19:10.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 19:11.01 | freemangordon | but it is tricky |
| 19:11.05 | freemangordon | for sure |
| 19:11.06 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 let me note down. apt-get autoremove and apt-get upgrade are dangerous, right? |
| 19:11.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless a VM is a viable alternative |
| 19:11.19 | freemangordon | waaay better |
| 19:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | right |
| 19:11.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get dist-upgrade is bullshit! |
| 19:12.32 | erlehmann | bullshit? |
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| 19:12.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | and don't even think about installing a complete development environment (gcc, all libs etc) on your N900 natively |
| 19:13.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: dist-upgrade doesn't work at all |
| 19:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ther's basically no such thing in maemo |
| 19:14.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo is based on metapackages that do the whole upgrade task |
| 19:14.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo has a terribly messed up dependency "management" |
| 19:14.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | read: NONE at all |
| 19:15.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | (this is the simplfied yellow press version of the whole story) |
| 19:15.59 | erlehmann | lel |
| 19:16.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway this is why usual apt-get upgrade and syblings doesn't work as expected |
| 19:19.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: apt-cache dump mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 19:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | duck and cover! |
| 19:19.44 | erlehmann | what |
| 19:20.54 | erlehmann | WTF |
| 19:21.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache dump mp-fremantle-generic-pr|wc -l |
| 19:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | 84531 |
| 19:21.50 | erlehmann | how can i stretch the battery? |
| 19:22.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_management |
| 19:23.02 | erlehmann | thx |
| 19:23.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 software power management |
| 19:23.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management |
| 19:23.43 | erlehmann | on my htc dream i have powertop |
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| 19:26.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/ |
| 19:26.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~zzzpowertop |
| 19:26.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys powertop |
| 19:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 19:26.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~zzztop |
| 19:26.58 | infobot | zzztop is, like, - the better and even FOSS powertop - http://wiki.maemo.org/Zzztop |
| 19:27.37 | erlehmann | thx |
| 19:27.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 19:31.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: I recently did a lil fancy and made a catalogs-swapper, so you can do "apt-get install <some-leete-tool>" and then swap back catalog settings to what they are supposed to be |
| 19:31.56 | erlehmann | catalog? |
| 19:31.57 | Apic | Cool |
| 19:32.02 | erlehmann | catalog is sources.list? |
| 19:32.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically yes |
| 19:32.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | just for maemo it's a tad more complicated |
| 19:32.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | you are NOT supposed to edit sources.list manually |
| 19:33.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | use HAM for that, but it sucks after the 2nd time |
| 19:33.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus I did this lil silly |
| 19:34.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/session-log_enable-catalogs_README.txt http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs |
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| 19:42.02 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 i have noted down the stuff you said, thx http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/notes/nokia-n900.html |
| 19:44.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 19:46.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders to eventually do a 3liner script to switch to "all", invoke HAM, and on HAM exit switch back to "basic" for the repos. Then create an alternative .desktop for "PowerHAM" |
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| 19:52.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~docscrutinizer |
| 19:52.25 | infobot | [docscrutinizer] jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 19:52.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 19:52.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: |
| 19:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg |
| 19:52.37 | infobot | i heard joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 19:53.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I don't mind getting caled DocScrutinizer05 |
| 19:54.07 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 do you want me to change the name? |
| 19:54.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: generally you wanna join and exploit search in talk.maemo.org |
| 19:54.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: I don't care |
| 19:54.38 | erlehmann | okay :) |
| 19:55.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | much noise and trolls in tmo, but also a really overwhelming wealth of info |
| 19:57.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw: Neo900 might be interesting for you (sorry for shameless advertising), and FPTF needs all the help it can get |
| 19:57.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf |
| 19:57.55 | infobot | rumour has it, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 19:58.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 |
| 19:58.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even neo900.org |
| 20:00.59 | erlehmann | i don't need a faster CPU, more RAM and an LTE modem |
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| 20:35.04 | chem|st | erlehmann: where does all this LTE desire come from? H+ is faster than my landline... or does mobile latency magically decrease with it? |
| 20:35.13 | erlehmann | dunno |
| 20:35.59 | chem|st | contracts over here are pretty expensive, at least with a quota fitting the mbit/s |
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| 20:37.33 | chem|st | even now I can blow my quota within 50 seconds and get throttled to 54kbit... |
| 20:40.20 | chem|st | erlehmann: ok I see some plus points apart of the speed, lower latency and lower consumption due to lower base-bands - lower bands also means better reception... |
| 20:42.18 | LjL-Laplet | mobile phones really need aggressive ways to prolong battery life |
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| 20:44.47 | chem|st | LjL-Laplet: well it is not only hardware... bad software is actually the main cause of battery drain |
| 20:45.03 | LjL-Laplet | main? doubtful |
| 20:45.18 | LjL-Laplet | i mean sure, my phone could spend 6 days in standby with no misbehaving software |
| 20:45.36 | LjL-Laplet | but use the network and keep the screen off, and eh. it's the hardware taking up the vast majority of the power |
| 20:45.54 | chem|st | I got my laptop from 5h to 8h with simple measures, software wise |
| 20:46.33 | chem|st | the standard system is based on software that is meant to run on a wall-powerout... |
| 20:46.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, LTE actually +has* 2nagicaly" lower latency, and better power consumption properties, than UMTS(HSPA) |
| 20:46.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, LTE actually *has* "magicaly" lower latency, and better power consumption properties, than UMTS(HSPA) |
| 20:47.18 | chem|st | yeah just read what might be possible, still it is far from what is expected or desired |
| 20:47.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | mobile phones need better apps that don't waste power on doing idle busy all the time |
| 20:47.44 | chem|st | I doubt 5ms and 300mbit/s will come all to soon to user grade |
| 20:48.26 | LjL-Laplet | DocScrutinizer05: mobile phones need better OS's that kill their apps with fire if they even dare try |
| 20:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 20:48.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | go for android if that's what you look for |
| 20:49.09 | LjL-Laplet | yeah, no, Android doesn't really do that (and I'm using it) |
| 20:49.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | or winphone, or even iOS |
| 20:49.36 | LjL-Laplet | iOS does that by... killing *all* the apps |
| 20:49.45 | erlehmann | like an out of memory killer |
| 20:49.49 | erlehmann | only for power consumption |
| 20:49.59 | LjL-Laplet | not sure about Windows Phone, Windows 8 also likes to freeze everything though |
| 20:50.01 | bencoh | with FIRE yay :) |
| 20:50.05 | bencoh | (sorry) |
| 20:50.09 | LjL-Laplet | erlehmann: Android has things like that but they just don't work too well |
| 20:50.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | the approach is nonsense |
| 20:51.00 | LjL-Laplet | heh, must be why everyone's using it |
| 20:51.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | OOM-alike approach would be semi-sensible if only we could attribute resource consuption to the particular app |
| 20:51.26 | bencoh | it is nonsense, it goes along the webcoder way though |
| 20:51.26 | chem|st | my tablet lasts forever but that has a battery in the size of two iphones |
| 20:51.35 | bencoh | let's monkeycode and let the OS handle this |
| 20:51.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | my N900 lasts for 2 weeks, on idle |
| 20:51.56 | LjL-Laplet | DocScrutinizer05: what is the reason we can't? |
| 20:52.08 | bencoh | I'm quite sure my n900 wont last for 2 weeks idling |
| 20:52.17 | LjL-Laplet | my N900 hardly lasts two weeks powered off |
| 20:53.55 | chem|st | my n9 lasts 2 weeks in flightmode... but thats about it |
| 20:54.09 | LjL-Laplet | yeah, flight mode isn't exceptionally useful though |
| 20:54.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | my N900 even lasts 2 days (48h) with xchat IRC active via WLAN |
| 20:55.05 | chem|st | the jolla lasts several days up to a week on my current use case |
| 20:55.37 | chem|st | yeah I think 2-3 days wifi is doable with an n900 |
| 20:55.55 | bencoh | definitely |
| 20:56.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and still one whole day usually, when doing IRC via 2G |
| 20:57.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | only a 4h though when going 3G aka UMTS |
| 20:57.19 | chem|st | well, back in the early days it did not get to 3 days idle |
| 20:57.33 | bencoh | wow, so there are some people who use umts on it ... :> |
| 20:57.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the only way to "fix" this is by killing/stopping xchat as soon as you move it to background or lock the screen |
| 20:58.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is exactly what defeats the whole pupose of maemo |
| 20:58.42 | chem|st | bencoh: I even used voip on 3G^^ |
| 20:58.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | purpose* |
| 20:58.50 | bencoh | chem|st: impressive ^^ |
| 20:58.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I do that frequently |
| 20:59.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | just works |
| 20:59.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | (as long as I'm on 3G all the time, you can't switch to 3G when inbound call started ringing) |
| 21:00.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | however I'm NOT using (and never did) this Skype abomination |
| 21:00.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | known to eat your battery alive |
| 21:00.49 | bencoh | bones and flesh |
| 21:00.56 | bencoh | (and heart) |
| 21:01.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 21:01.58 | chem|st | huuh it wasn't a hotline hoax, I really have a 13eur contract now with 100minutes/sms 50sms and 250MB/quota...and music-flat |
| 21:04.03 | chem|st | my sister was always joking about her contract and the ancient computer they need to maintain to keep those contracts alive^^ |
| 21:04.33 | bencoh | ? |
| 21:04.53 | chem|st | bencoh: you know the size of your SIM? |
| 21:05.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 21:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | fetches caliper |
| 21:05.39 | chem|st | think its 74K now... my sis had a 4K SIM and was wondering why she had no working internet on her n900 |
| 21:06.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | .oO(???) |
| 21:07.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's APN related to size of user storage for contacts etc on SIM? |
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| 21:12.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's APN related to SIM at large? except maybe for storing the credentials ("URL" [pinternet.o2online.de], User [internet], Password [internet]) |
| 21:13.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | the IP stack is running on the modem anyway |
| 21:13.56 | chem|st | on the 4K SIM was a WAP portal preset only |
| 21:14.25 | chem|st | and that seemed non-existant those 8 years later |
| 21:14.29 | bencoh | chem|st: mine is quite old |
| 21:14.38 | bencoh | like 10yo |
| 21:15.13 | chem|st | and of course it was not activated for UMTS |
| 21:15.38 | chem|st | no idea what that means but they needed to replace the SIM to get it to work |
| 21:16.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | my SM is from 2000 |
| 21:16.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | SIM |
| 21:16.36 | chem|st | what size? |
| 21:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | mini |
| 21:16.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 21:16.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry no idea |
| 21:17.21 | chem|st | I ahve actually no clue how old it was, it might be back from '98 or 99 |
| 21:17.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are very few options available to rad out the SIM storage size |
| 21:17.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | read* |
| 21:18.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe the according AT command would work via pnatd |
| 21:18.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I ddon't know the AT command by heart |
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| 21:18.44 | chem|st | the storage size is written on the SIM, at least on those I got |
| 21:19.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, last time I looked at my SIM must be two years ago |
| 21:19.33 | chem|st | my old one has 72k written on it... |
| 21:19.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ignoring my own advice I don't even remove it on reflashing the firmware |
| 21:20.01 | bencoh | why should you anyway ? |
| 21:20.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cherry |
| 21:20.12 | chem|st | I never removed it if not swapping phones... |
| 21:20.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | for example |
| 21:20.28 | chem|st | well the sms... |
| 21:20.37 | chem|st | don't care |
| 21:20.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | me neither |
| 21:21.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | they already boobytrapped me with that one |
| 21:21.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | so further SMS just cost me a 9ct or sth |
| 21:21.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | not worth the hassle to remove the SIM for that |
| 21:22.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | on other reports there seem to be cases where a garbled contact record on SIM causes modem to blow chunks, and that could easily stop flashing at all |
| 21:23.05 | chem|st | how big is the SIM seed anyways? like 128bit? or 256bit? well three times... but that is not even 1k... |
| 21:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | then 3rd you just don't need the SIM for flashing, so it's best practice to remove it, so nothing can happen to it, no matter what |
| 21:23.41 | chem|st | then some 512bit APN data so we have 70k left for user's contacts? |
| 21:24.38 | M4rtinK | SIM toolkit ! :D |
| 21:25.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAT/STK doesn't work on maemo/BB5 |
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| 21:25.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | which mostly is considered a grace rather than a flaw |
| 21:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I dunno of any APN that needs SAT to get access to it |
| 21:27.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | some online banking needs SAT, yes |
| 21:28.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder when they swapped name from SAT to STK |
| 21:28.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_Application_Toolkit |
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