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| 00:42.48 | discopig | what kind of soldering iron should i purchase to strenghten the usb port? |
| 00:43.12 | discopig | i know it needs a super thin tip, but what wattage should i get? |
| 00:45.52 | Maxdamantus | 00:33 < DocScrutinizer05> get a decent 80W iron |
| 00:45.58 | Maxdamantus | 00:34 < Maxdamantus> ah, 25W :\ |
| 00:45.59 | Maxdamantus | 00:34 < DocScrutinizer05> for soldering down the USB you will probably want a larger one |
| 00:47.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix |
| 00:47.01 | infobot | usbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL2862BF3631A5C1AA&feature=player_detailpage&v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1861, or you will basically need two irons |
| 00:47.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch that u-tybe vid |
| 00:47.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | no super-thin tip for soldering down the port mechanically |
| 00:48.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | not at all |
| 00:48.32 | discopig | ok |
| 00:48.33 | discopig | thanks |
| 00:50.05 | discopig | so just a regular tip, 0.3mm wire? |
| 00:50.10 | discopig | and a decent 80w |
| 00:51.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | should work |
| 00:51.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | 60W or even 50W may also suffice |
| 00:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | less for sure not |
| 00:52.21 | discopig | alright, thanks |
| 00:58.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you wind ~250g of copper wire around the tip 7cm of your regulated soldering iron, wrap some layers of alu foil around the whole thing and heat it up to 360°C |
| 00:58.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | the massive copper will store enough heat energy to heat up the PCB |
| 00:59.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | you have to wind very tight, so thermal contact between copper and soldering iron is good |
| 00:59.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise your soldering tip cools down despite all the hot copper around it |
| 01:00.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch the video ^^^ a few times |
| 01:01.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you can detect when you encounter the problems of insufficient power or capaicty or thermal conductance to your soldering joint |
| 01:02.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and don't go too hot! 350° is probably maximum |
| 01:02.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | use more to damage everything |
| 01:02.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | insufficient power can't get compensated by increased heat |
| 01:03.29 | discopig | yeah |
| 01:05.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | just wondered what he meant by "you will basically need two irons" |
| 01:05.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | now I recall: a 80W and a fine one |
| 01:06.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | discopig: take care to protect cam lens and felx ribbon to uSD daughterboard! |
| 01:06.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | flex* |
| 01:07.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | the area where you scratch off the green varnish shall be at least same size as the side of the USB connector |
| 01:08.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you can create a nice triangle shaped solder join |
| 01:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | (when watched from side where USB plug inserts) |
| 01:10.14 | discopig | yeah |
| 01:10.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | so left side til the U-shaped bay, right side almost till the hole |
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| 01:14.32 | discopig | i hope i wont mess this up |
| 01:15.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you use proper tools and goot solder, the chances to mess up are minimal |
| 01:15.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 01:16.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | decent electronics(!!!) flux would help a lot |
| 01:17.14 | discopig | one of my 2 n900s already has a spotty usb port, do you think it's too late? |
| 01:17.22 | discopig | if i jiggle the usb cable in it it disconnects then reconnects |
| 01:17.29 | discopig | i havent used it in a while because of that because i was waiting to fix it |
| 01:17.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, when you feel not completely comfortable, then first practice a bit by soldering a 1mm dia wire to a 5mm dia wire |
| 01:18.04 | discopig | yeah |
| 01:19.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | first properly soldering down the USB for sure won't hurt. then test again |
| 01:19.11 | discopig | yeah true |
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| 01:19.38 | discopig | if it still has issues then i guess at least it wont get worse |
| 01:19.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you're lucky, it "fixed itself" by your ficating the USB jack |
| 01:19.48 | discopig | and still charges and tranfers fine if it doesnt jiggle in the port |
| 01:19.50 | discopig | yeah |
| 01:20.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | when not, you can start thinking about re-soldering the 5 electrical contacts of the jack |
| 01:21.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | often those symptoms are caused by a damaged plug or receptacle, rather than by broken solder joints |
| 01:21.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | test another cable. inspect the contacts in the jack, if they are clean and straight or there is maybe some debris or oxides or whatever |
| 01:22.01 | discopig | i also have a third n900 motherboard from years ago, but that one has the port completely broken off |
| 01:22.18 | discopig | so ill try to fix that one once i fix the other 2 first |
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| 01:24.26 | discopig | is a 0.6mm wire too thick? |
| 01:25.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | for what? |
| 01:25.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | which wire? |
| 01:25.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | solder wire? |
| 01:25.50 | discopig | yeah |
| 01:25.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | works |
| 01:26.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | good quality is of paramount inportance |
| 01:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | for that particular solder job you could even use 1mm |
| 01:27.02 | discopig | yeah |
| 01:28.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | though thinner solder wire is marginally more expensive than thicker one, per weight |
| 01:28.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW yu don't save much by using thicker wire |
| 01:28.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | you* |
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| 01:29.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | with thinner wire you need a longer piece for the solder joint, but then there's more length on a 50g spindle |
| 01:32.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | just ponders testing solder paste and hot air reflow tool |
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| 01:34.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | discopig: make sure your copper areas are really cleaned. A glas fibre eraser comes in handy to remove the last traces of green varnish |
| 01:34.47 | discopig | ok |
| 01:34.58 | discopig | i have micromesh here but i dont know if that would help |
| 01:35.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | or use blue end of a usual eraser |
| 01:35.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even steel whool when you can't find any better tool |
| 01:38.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.amazon.de/Krick-Modelltechnik-PBU2137-Glasfiberstift-mm/dp/B000UZ8VNS http://webshop.m-tecdental.se/sv/Huvudvy/Tandlakare/BEGO_implantat/Bego_instrument/BEGO_SEMADOS_Glasfiber_stift?id=BS55523 |
| 01:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.beta-estore.com/rkde/order_product_details.html?p=287 |
| 01:39.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasfaserradierer |
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| 01:58.44 | discopig | ok i ordered some good solder wire and a soldering iron |
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| 02:03.31 | discopig | i'd be happy if i could at least save one of my n900s |
| 02:03.53 | discopig | i can always keep the others for repair parts |
| 02:06.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | or turn them into Neo900s |
| 02:06.52 | discopig | yeah |
| 02:06.57 | discopig | when neo900 comes out i'll most likely buy one |
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| 06:18.11 | Apic | A wonderful splendid extraordinary fine Setting Orange (Tuesday) Morning (UGT) to all of You! |
| 06:19.14 | Luke-Jr | isn't UGT implied by now? :P |
| 06:21.16 | Apic | Probably, yes/ |
| 06:21.20 | Apic | s#/#.# |
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| 07:22.52 | HtheB | chem|st: hi |
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| 08:09.35 | chem|st | HtheB: o/ |
| 08:09.45 | HtheB | o/ how are you |
| 08:09.56 | chem|st | exhausted, thanks for asking |
| 08:10.28 | HtheB | can you remove a poll from a topic> |
| 08:10.30 | HtheB | ? |
| 08:10.47 | chem|st | no idea, but lets try ;) |
| 08:10.48 | HtheB | seems like the moderators are sleeping deed |
| 08:10.50 | HtheB | deep* |
| 08:11.05 | chem|st | lnk? |
| 08:11.09 | HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91743 |
| 08:11.34 | HtheB | I got a request by ancelad himself, but I dont have moderator powers in that sub |
| 08:12.27 | chem|st | personal? |
| 08:12.49 | chem|st | I add you to software if you want to? |
| 08:13.59 | chem|st | why does he want to delete it anyways?! |
| 08:14.17 | HtheB | it has nothing to do anymore with the thread |
| 08:14.39 | HtheB | chem|st: that would be good because the moderators are not active as used to be |
| 08:15.10 | chem|st | I will try and reset fields, but there is no option to delete the poll |
| 08:15.30 | HtheB | hmm |
| 08:17.34 | chem|st | ok deleting poll needs admin rights not only moderator rights |
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| 08:19.36 | chem|st | the mods in theme are tim and andrew and they are both some days late on everything, just like I am! you are added to software mod list |
| 08:20.35 | chem|st | poll deleted |
| 08:21.54 | HtheB | \:D/ |
| 08:21.54 | HtheB | thanks |
| 08:22.11 | HtheB | but they haven't been online since like a month now |
| 08:22.32 | Raimu | Dammit, a lot of websites are turning to forced https |
| 08:22.50 | chem|st | Raimu: I think about it too |
| 08:22.52 | Raimu | N900 speed killer and for what? |
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| 08:23.02 | chem|st | Raimu: for your privacy |
| 08:23.29 | chem|st | HtheB: yes, but they get emails like everyone else |
| 08:23.34 | Raimu | Yes, or rather so nobody mitms unaware people using open wlans |
| 08:23.47 | chem|st | for example |
| 08:24.33 | chem|st | it is actually bad to have something with login without tls, but as long as you are not logged in it could be http |
| 08:24.45 | Raimu | Yep |
| 08:25.28 | Raimu | But then picture aggregate sites send like jpegs under https too |
| 08:25.49 | Raimu | Seems like a pointless waste to have someone's youtube viewing https'd |
| 08:26.06 | SAiF | i trusted openssl until last week. Now I learned to never trust anything.. |
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| 08:26.23 | Raimu | I guess I wouldn't mind if it didn't incur performance hits or interoperability hits even today |
| 08:29.18 | chem|st | SAiF: I do not trust banks for online banking... anyone who does SMS-TAN is not trustworthy and that are many! |
| 08:30.00 | SAiF | 2 years a bug is intolerable |
| 08:30.16 | Raimu | SMS-TAN sounds like a Japanese honorific |
| 08:30.21 | Raimu | *looks it up* |
| 08:30.24 | chem|st | SAiF: the openssl disaster is not that bad, as long as the server admins knew what they are doing there never was a way of hijacking |
| 08:30.25 | SAiF | I even wonder how could it happen |
| 08:31.25 | chem|st | just like the random numbergenerator for DSA, was a left behind testcase in the release code |
| 08:31.34 | chem|st | noone recognized for years |
| 08:31.47 | SAiF | may be none revealed it.. |
| 08:32.37 | Raimu | I've read programmer essays on that openssl is a horrible string of unreadable code |
| 08:33.09 | Raimu | "Nobody ever, EVER wants to revise it" seems a common viewpoint |
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| 08:33.42 | chem|st | and that is the actual bad point |
| 08:34.36 | chem|st | security relevant code noone wants to touch as it was waterfally programmed 10 years ago and noone understands it anymore |
| 08:35.33 | SAiF | the older version 0.9.8e-27.1 didnt had that bug.. Now I think "if it isn't broken never fix it" rule |
| 08:36.39 | SAiF | what ever. |
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| 08:51.33 | chem|st | SAiF: "never change a running system" is what you are looking for |
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| 08:56.54 | SAiF | :) yes |
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| 09:54.52 | Psi__ | i was happy to see someone wrote a n900/maemo version of the 2048 game :) |
| 09:55.29 | Raimu | I noticed that too, hilarious. |
| 09:57.18 | r00t^d430 | i don't get the point of porting a game that was initially implemented in dhtml that runs on any device anyway |
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| 10:00.39 | Raimu | APPIFICATION |
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| 10:14.20 | jaska | http://www.sis.uta.fi/~ar72757/yhdet/ is my preferred 2048-clone |
| 10:14.34 | jaska | unfortunately its in finnish |
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| 10:33.27 | Maxdamantus | tuhat kuusi sataa |
| 10:33.35 | Maxdamantus | need lisää skills |
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| 11:23.43 | Shadowski | hello |
| 11:23.47 | Shadowski | everybody |
| 11:25.13 | Shadowski | anyone here? |
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| 11:26.46 | Shadowski | hello |
| 11:26.50 | Shadowski | ... |
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| 11:28.53 | Shadowski | test test, can anyone hear me? |
| 11:29.02 | jaska | test fail. |
| 11:29.07 | Shadowski | :( |
| 11:29.34 | Shadowski | well atleast i did get fail response |
| 11:29.35 | Shadowski | :D |
| 11:30.21 | Shadowski | why is everyone silent in here? |
| 11:30.31 | Shadowski | it's like somebody died in here |
| 11:31.52 | Shadowski | anyway, can somebody help me out with my n900? |
| 11:33.58 | Shadowski | jesus christ, so many people in here, and everyoby is away |
| 11:33.59 | Shadowski | ... |
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| 11:35.12 | chem|st | Shadowski: if you do not tell what your problem is noone will answer your questions before you even ask them.. |
| 11:40.19 | Shadowski | ok, my problem is with the battery indicator. It always says that it is very low. At first i thought it was the battery, so i bought a new one(polar cell). It didn't help. After that i did flash my phone with fiasco image, didn't help as well. The battery discharges normally, its the battery meter that keeps saying that battery is low, and i suspect it is also the reason i cannot boot the cellphone in normal mode(i run it in R&D cur |
| 11:40.29 | Shadowski | anyone knows what the issue could be? |
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| 11:44.46 | Shadowski | oh and i use external charger, to charge the battery |
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| 12:02.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | with external charger (charging cell outside of N900), there's no way the N900 can have a semi-decent idea of exact charge left over in cell |
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| 12:04.41 | Shadowski | but still saying low battery every minute is getting annoying |
| 12:04.49 | Shadowski | anyway to diable that warning? |
| 12:06.00 | Shadowski | oh and the phone doesnt charge through usb, it keeps rebooting |
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| 12:07.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 12:07.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should reflash. your system seems completely messed up |
| 12:08.13 | Shadowski | i did write, that i did reflasing with fiasco |
| 12:08.18 | Shadowski | over 10 times |
| 12:08.22 | Shadowski | didn't help |
| 12:08.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, and you're sure this did work? |
| 12:09.06 | Shadowski | what did work? |
| 12:09.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | over 10 times sounds like you're clueless about flashing |
| 12:09.29 | Shadowski | doc, i am not clueless |
| 12:09.36 | Shadowski | i can boot up phone in R&D mode |
| 12:09.43 | Shadowski | the flash sent ok |
| 12:09.50 | Shadowski | but it didn't solve my problem with battery |
| 12:09.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | when flashing works, one time should suffice. No additional gain from doing it multiple times |
| 12:10.08 | Shadowski | yes, i meant i tried different versions |
| 12:10.24 | Shadowski | i meant 10 times as i tried different versions of FIASCO image |
| 12:10.35 | Shadowski | not litteraly 10 times flashed :P |
| 12:10.42 | chem|st | Shadowski: reflashing wont help a completly of the record battery state |
| 12:11.31 | Shadowski | i don't know. i am thinking it has to do something with bq27200 chip |
| 12:11.37 | Shadowski | i think it fried in kinda way |
| 12:11.42 | Shadowski | i bought my cell phone used |
| 12:11.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k |
| 12:11.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27200 |
| 12:11.56 | infobot | i guess bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 12:12.06 | chem|st | I had the same issue as you have, reseting the learning cycle of the battery is the only way to get it back to normal |
| 12:12.28 | Shadowski | well thats the problem where i encountered |
| 12:12.41 | Shadowski | i found a thread in maemo about callibrating battery |
| 12:12.51 | Shadowski | the bq27200.sh script |
| 12:12.54 | chem|st | that -> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 |
| 12:12.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | the poor chip gets *totally* confused by a battery that all the time just discharges |
| 12:13.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm more puzzled about your device bootlooping when not in R&D mode |
| 12:13.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | this sounds like other stuff fried |
| 12:14.00 | Shadowski | yeah doc, but the problem i am encountering is that VQD always stays 0 even after charging |
| 12:14.34 | Shadowski | bootlooping accurs while charging thru usb |
| 12:14.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | VDQ |
| 12:14.40 | Shadowski | vdq sorry |
| 12:15.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | you got some hw problems hardly related to bq27200 |
| 12:15.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty tricky to find out what's wrong |
| 12:16.09 | Shadowski | it doesn't really bother me, i use the device mainly for penetration testing |
| 12:16.18 | Shadowski | its jsut the warning is annoying |
| 12:16.27 | chem|st | well it is huge enough for that... |
| 12:17.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash to *stock* PR1.3.1! TEST! NO powerkernel, NO additional apps or drivers! |
| 12:17.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr131 |
| 12:17.18 | infobot | i guess combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 12:17.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash VANILLA as well |
| 12:17.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | disable R&D mode |
| 12:17.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | then TEST |
| 12:18.20 | Shadowski | oh man, i installed so many soft already :/ |
| 12:18.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | when problem persists: install syslogd/ksyslogd and pastebin the syslog |
| 12:18.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 12:18.50 | infobot | from memory, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
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| 12:20.44 | Shadowski | btw, i installed queenbeacon widget with battery meter |
| 12:20.52 | Shadowski | and guess what it is outputing |
| 12:21.27 | Shadowski | 3680107.2% 44164.316V |
| 12:21.44 | Shadowski | thats definetely wrong something with the sensor |
| 12:21.56 | Shadowski | i don't think reflasing will really help |
| 12:22.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it will |
| 12:22.31 | Shadowski | doc, i did reflash multiple times, i said already, it didn't help |
| 12:23.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you got a broken beta version of bme/hal-plugin-bme/batteryapplet/powerkernel, and it sounds like you reflashed and reinstalled all that a 10 times |
| 12:23.54 | Shadowski | hmm |
| 12:24.00 | Shadowski | ok, ill try your image |
| 12:24.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | read my instructions above! |
| 12:25.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually dare to guess you enabled bq27200.ko kernel module |
| 12:26.02 | Shadowski | dod, no its disabled |
| 12:26.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, proof please! |
| 12:26.54 | Shadowski | too late, i am reflashing now |
| 12:26.58 | Shadowski | as you asked |
| 12:27.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, the amount of info you share is not enough to even start considering to try to find out what's wrong |
| 12:28.21 | Shadowski | yeah i know, i have a bad expierence with 1st line support |
| 12:28.30 | Shadowski | so thats why maybe i am a little angry |
| 12:29.01 | Shadowski | ok reflashed and disabled R&D mode |
| 12:29.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | both vanilla and combined? |
| 12:29.56 | Shadowski | i cannot flash vanilla |
| 12:30.05 | Shadowski | it says no suitable device found |
| 12:30.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and btw your fault when you didn't do a proper BM backup before you started reflashing. There been a reason why I quoted it above |
| 12:30.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | tzz |
| 12:30.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 12:30.38 | infobot | i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 12:34.04 | Shadowski | combined flashed sucessfully, vanilla emmc i cannot flash |
| 12:34.25 | Shadowski | it says no suitable device found, and phone goes into reboot loop |
| 12:35.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | again! |
| 12:35.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 12:35.30 | infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 12:36.11 | Shadowski | what do you want to tell me witht this? |
| 12:36.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I want to tell you that your problem is old and well known and the solutions are on that very fine page |
| 12:36.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | if only you bother to read it *completely* |
| 12:37.14 | Shadowski | i didn't find my problem there |
| 12:37.15 | Shadowski | ... |
| 12:38.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, yeah. reading is hard |
| 12:39.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can spot 3 hits on that page for the very searchstring "no suitable device found" |
| 12:39.33 | Shadowski | yeah, and all of them are not my case!!! |
| 12:39.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm not 1st level helpdesk |
| 12:39.59 | Shadowski | i can clearly see that |
| 12:40.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | bye |
| 12:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~question |
| 12:40.44 | infobot | it has been said that question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 13:10.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#the_complete_foolproof_procedure |
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| 20:36.23 | Sc0rpius | automatic promotion to Extras is not working |
| 20:36.48 | Sc0rpius | who can help me to promote Yappari 1.1.46 to Extras? Already had enough votes in testing and already promoted by me |
| 20:40.51 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: when did you promote it? |
| 20:42.41 | freemangordon | oh - 2014-04-15 19:32 UTC |
| 20:42.50 | freemangordon | it takes some time |
| 20:44.10 | Sc0rpius | yeah but I promoted from Yappari 1.1.42 to 1.1.45 and they never reached extras :( |
| 20:44.20 | Sc0rpius | I'll bug you tomorrow again you'll see :P |
| 20:44.20 | freemangordon | hmm, lemme check |
| 20:46.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if it's worth fixing dat shite, or simply less effort to do the 5 promotions per year manually |
| 20:49.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, discuss that with HiFo |
| 20:49.11 | freemangordon | hmm, what?!? |
| 20:49.29 | freemangordon | why it is there? |
| 20:49.38 | Sc0rpius | 5 promotions a year? are we that alone in the universe? :( |
| 20:49.45 | freemangordon | in "fmg@stage:/var/repository/staging/extras/pool/fremantle/free/y/yappari" |
| 20:50.20 | freemangordon | it should be in pr-13 |
| 20:50.23 | freemangordon | oh, it IS there |
| 20:50.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, HiFo stated that no more coordination of maintenance needed, so it's up to them to take care about infra, incl deciding what to fix, find somebody to do that, explain to him what exactly needs to get done, aso |
| 20:50.28 | freemangordon | :) |
| 20:51.41 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/y/yappari/ |
| 20:51.47 | Sc0rpius | lemme see |
| 20:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've been an idiot for weeks, not noticing the opportunity this offers to me |
| 20:52.11 | Sc0rpius | that means is already in extras? |
| 20:52.19 | Sc0rpius | the i386 :( |
| 20:52.33 | freemangordon | hmm, yeah |
| 20:52.42 | Sc0rpius | what about the armel? |
| 20:52.45 | freemangordon | but it takes time |
| 20:52.50 | Sc0rpius | ok |
| 20:53.02 | Sc0rpius | but |
| 20:53.10 | Sc0rpius | in this link: |
| 20:53.17 | Sc0rpius | http://maemo.org/packages/view/yappari/ |
| 20:53.22 | Sc0rpius | it says the latest version in Extras is 1.1.41 |
| 20:53.34 | freemangordon | yes, I see |
| 20:53.40 | freemangordon | something is broken |
| 20:54.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | OOOH, exciting news ;-P |
| 20:55.01 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: I see armel version to be build too, it will need some more time I guess |
| 20:56.43 | Sc0rpius | cool |
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| 21:41.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders why there's still no "==the ultimate flashing tool==n <code>sudo (wget http://maemo.cloud7-de/flashingtool -O /usr/local/bin/flashingtool && chmod +x /usr/local/bin/flashingtool && /usr/local/bin/flashingtool)" |
| 21:41.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | </code> |
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| 21:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1421536#post1421536 |
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| 23:10.34 | otwieracz | hi |
| 23:10.41 | otwieracz | Any ideas why http://wklej.org/hash/7e2f969da2e/ behaviours like: |
| 23:10.46 | otwieracz | $ ./extfmc.py |
| 23:10.46 | otwieracz | $ |
| 23:10.50 | otwieracz | and no window at all? |
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| 23:13.03 | Maxdamantus | otwieracz: you never call gtk.main() |
| 23:13.14 | Maxdamantus | otwieracz: it's in a method that's never called. |
| 23:13.20 | otwieracz | Hmm. |
| 23:13.24 | otwieracz | Yes, I examined this right now. |
| 23:13.29 | otwieracz | But on my desktop it works fine. |
| 23:13.33 | otwieracz | what's weird |
| 23:14.51 | Maxdamantus | It doesn't on mine. |
| 23:14.59 | Maxdamantus | unless I add `win.main()` at the end. |
| 23:15.15 | Maxdamantus | are you sure you're running the same version of the program as in the paste? |
| 23:15.31 | otwieracz | Yes. |
| 23:15.41 | Maxdamantus | on the desktop |
| 23:16.01 | otwieracz | weird |
| 23:16.12 | otwieracz | I find the difference |
| 23:16.13 | Maxdamantus | You're not running it within another Python script that later calls gtk.main() |
| 23:16.24 | Maxdamantus | or glib.main_loop() or something |
| 23:16.32 | otwieracz | It shows only when in interpreter: |
| 23:16.35 | otwieracz | |>>> win = XfmcWindow() |
| 23:16.38 | otwieracz | window shows |
| 23:16.41 | otwieracz | |>>> |
| 23:17.16 | Maxdamantus | Are you running a special Gtk-augmented interpreter? |
| 23:17.54 | Maxdamantus | I've seen one, which should result in the behaviour you're seeing. |
| 23:18.29 | Maxdamantus | Essentially, that is "another Python script that later calls gtk.main()" |
| 23:18.33 | Maxdamantus | although it's earlier, not later. |
| 23:19.27 | otwieracz | I am running python -i in emacs. |
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| 23:20.44 | Maxdamantus | Dunno then, but you see now what's missing, at least. |
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| 23:21.35 | Maxdamantus | Ah, it does it for me as well in the normal interpreter. |
| 23:22.05 | Maxdamantus | So I guess pygtk itself runs gtk.main() beforehand if it notices it's being loaded in the interpreter. |
| 23:22.15 | Maxdamantus | so that you can see the GUI as you're programming it. |
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