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| 12:15.17 | Apic | Whoops, i did it again. ;-( |
| 12:15.27 | Apic | I ruined my rootfs by installing iptables |
| 12:15.28 | Apic | fsck |
| 12:24.50 | Maxdamantus | How does installing iptables ruin your rootfs? |
| 12:25.05 | Maxdamantus | Also, btrfs would be useful here. |
| 12:25.31 | Maxdamantus | Can just take a snapshot of the rootfs before doing anything to it. |
| 12:34.01 | Apic | ~flasher |
| 12:34.01 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 12:39.35 | Maxdamantus | ~rescueOS |
| 12:39.36 | infobot | it has been said that rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ |
| 12:39.51 | Maxdamantus | might be useful if the problem is that you're unable to boot Maemo. |
| 12:40.26 | Maxdamantus | can boot into that then chroot into your install and uninstall iptables with apt. |
| 12:43.06 | bencoh | I dont see why iptables alone would break maemo though |
| 12:43.15 | Maxdamantus | Indeed. |
| 12:48.25 | NIN101 | I have it installed without any problems. |
| 12:48.55 | bencoh | same here ;) |
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| 12:58.49 | Web-aptosid876_ | Hi |
| 12:59.03 | Web-aptosid876_ | thinking of getting one of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N810 |
| 13:00.35 | Web-aptosid876_ | Trying to work out if it needs any proprietary blobs to work? |
| 13:00.48 | Web-aptosid876_ | Can I get a recent distro on it? |
| 13:01.03 | Web-aptosid876_ | looks like one can install a new gnu+linux system on it http://bues.ch/cms/hacking/n810-openwrt.html http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34713 |
| 13:01.34 | Web-aptosid876_ | 1hour left! thinking of committing the sin of evilbay and buying this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N-Series-N810-256MB-Wi-Fi-4-1in-Titanium-/261445511507?pt=UK_iPad_Tablets_eReaders&hash=item3cdf5de953 |
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| 13:33.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1372720#post1372720 |
| 13:34.34 | Web-aptosid876_ | my bad you'r already on #maemo |
| 13:37.55 | Web-aptosid876_ | but that's all related to the neo900 not the old n900 |
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| 13:40.05 | Web-aptosid876_ | so are you trying to say for fptf "new hw platforms" includes old platforms like the n900? |
| 13:40.48 | Web-aptosid876_ | I thought fptf was only for neo900 and future to-be-made devices |
| 13:40.59 | Web-aptosid876_ | DocScrutinizer05: ^ |
| 13:42.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | porting an OS from platform X to platform X doesn't make much sense first instance, but when you think about it, fptf will also create a more open fremantle (some call that freemantle then) for N900 as well |
| 13:43.31 | Web-aptosid876_ | oh, I thought n900 was going to be left to riot |
| 13:43.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1372752#post1372752 >>On a side note - my understanding is that our ultimate goal is to have one (or 2, but very close) distribution to be used on both N900 and Neo900.<< |
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| 13:44.12 | bencoh | 2 ? |
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| 13:44.39 | kolp | 1 each, I guess |
| 13:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are a few platform specific spots in fremantle that may need a tailored-to-fit distro |
| 13:45.11 | bencoh | I'd personally love a really opensource fremantle/maemo/whatever it should be called |
| 13:46.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. Neo900 is thumb-safe, so the Neo900 "distro" might be thumb-only. Nota bene this doesn't forbid running armel binaries from maemo-extras on that thumbified Neo900 distro |
| 13:47.47 | Web-aptosid876_ | so in the long term can I dare expect n900 to have a far far more free software stack? and in the short term (the next 4 weeks) can I use the usb host with usb audio class devices? |
| 13:48.58 | Web-aptosid876_ | I assume the n810 isn't going to get fptf? - too old and low ram + slow cpu?... |
| 13:49.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | again, fremantle is not as closed as you seem to think. The closed bits are mostly apps (like calendar, dialer aso), and a number of libs (liblocation etc). None of that is needed to run a working maemo OS |
| 13:49.21 | Maxdamantus | Does thumb actually lead to things running faster (more code storable in CPU cache, less to read from storage), or is it mainly for the sake of storage limitations? |
| 13:49.22 | Web-aptosid876_ | and I get that |
| 13:49.33 | bencoh | liblocation, libgsm, ... |
| 13:49.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, a number of those |
| 13:49.47 | bencoh | I wouldnt care about the first one ... but the second one is quite required ;) |
| 13:49.51 | Web-aptosid876_ | what do you mean by thumb? |
| 13:49.56 | bencoh | arm thumb |
| 13:50.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~thumb |
| 13:50.06 | infobot | cssu-thumb is probably <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb |
| 13:50.59 | Web-aptosid876_ | thansk ok |
| 13:51.04 | bencoh | do we have replacements for closed PA stuff ? |
| 13:51.23 | Web-aptosid876_ | PA ? |
| 13:51.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 13:51.28 | bencoh | pulseaudio |
| 13:51.30 | bencoh | aww |
| 13:51.35 | Web-aptosid876_ | arr no |
| 13:51.35 | bencoh | what's missing ? gsm decoding ? |
| 13:51.54 | bencoh | and audio routing plugin maybe ? |
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| 13:52.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | gsm is probably less of a problem than we initially thought. Audio is simply re-implementing cmt-speech. The libisi stuff needs a compatibility layer that shouldn't be too hard to plumb to the higher levels in stack |
| 13:53.10 | Maxdamantus | Mm, so the main advantage is apparently less swapping. |
| 13:53.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | audio will be 100% clone of N900 in Neo900 |
| 13:53.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maxdamantus: right |
| 13:54.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually with "unlimited" amounts of RAM available, armel is preferable since a few percent *faster* |
| 13:55.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | while thumb has smaller code |
| 13:55.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | significantly smaller |
| 13:55.48 | Maxdamantus | Why armel instead of armhf? |
| 13:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | because they are not compatible |
| 13:56.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | we wanna run maemo-extras binaries without having to rebuild them for Neo900 |
| 13:56.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui |
| 13:58.10 | Maxdamantus | Where does the compatibility issue arise? Just in library dependencies? |
| 13:58.43 | bencoh | code |
| 13:58.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | (audio) we could use whatever audio drivers and hardware we like, when we don't need maemo's mixer tools etc, like policy enforcer aso |
| 13:58.53 | Maxdamantus | (so you'd need armhf and armel libraries for everything) |
| 13:59.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maxdamantus: basically yes, and those libraries cause apps to be not compatible |
| 13:59.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | again aiui |
| 14:00.08 | Maxdamantus | thought that was random key presses. |
| 14:00.14 | Maxdamantus | "as I understand it" |
| 14:00.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | for meego carsten and friends discussed that a long time |
| 14:01.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and since we want to use blobs the user rips out of her maemo fremantle installation on her N900, like the 3D gfx lib for opengl... no way we go armhf in Neo900 freemantle |
| 14:03.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a sidenote afaik the difference between armel and armhf is actually negligible |
| 14:03.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | performance wise |
| 14:03.30 | Maxdamantus | Wonder if someone's made something like emul-linux-x86 but for armel libraries on armhf |
| 14:03.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, what for? |
| 14:04.01 | Maxdamantus | Hm. That seems to be a Gentoo thing. |
| 14:04.28 | Maxdamantus | For migration purposes. |
| 14:04.46 | Maxdamantus | isn't Debian planning on dropping armel eventually? |
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| 14:04.58 | Maxdamantus | Dunno. |
| 14:04.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | who would want to migrate from armel to armhf? and why? |
| 14:05.34 | Maxdamantus | Because it's easier for binary distributions like Debian to have as few binary distributions as possible. |
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| 14:05.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | could care less |
| 14:06.28 | Maxdamantus | Exactly. |
| 14:06.44 | Maxdamantus | So it's at least something of a potential issue. |
| 14:06.46 | bencoh | "and since we want to use blobs the user rips out of her maemo fremantle installation on her N900, like the 3D gfx lib for opengl... no way we go armhf in Neo900 freemantle" this is why being able to rebuild everything from scratch is important ;) |
| 14:07.03 | bencoh | (like SHR) |
| 14:07.33 | Maxdamantus | Yep. You should migrate Freemantle to nix. |
| 14:07.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | you won't find a way to rebuild Nokia blobs from scratch |
| 14:07.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr wut? |
| 14:08.06 | Maxdamantus | nix, the purely functional package manager. |
| 14:08.10 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: yeah I was talking about the rest |
| 14:08.23 | bencoh | (and to be honest I dont really want to keep nokia blobs) |
| 14:08.53 | Maxdamantus | You write a package tree as an expression consisting of a bunch of "derivations", which are instructions on how to build something. |
| 14:08.56 | Web-aptosid876_ | I thought the audio blobs where going to get replaced? |
| 14:09.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to discard or ignore them, not install them to your Neo900 freemantle |
| 14:09.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll ahve to live with ALSA then instead of PA, and probably mafw won't work with ALSA |
| 14:09.32 | Maxdamantus | then when you build it, the output is a directory called something like /nix/store/892389298ekthqthkqjtk-firefox-31-armel |
| 14:09.53 | Web-aptosid876_ | ~mafw |
| 14:09.53 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mafw is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Media_Application_Framework_%28MAFW%29 |
| 14:09.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm too busy to discuss nix |
| 14:10.14 | Maxdamantus | Yeah, it's more than a small discussion anyway. |
| 14:10.38 | Web-aptosid876_ | jack instead of pulseaudio hehe lol'ish |
| 14:10.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | the goal if fptf is to give user a maemo fremantle user experience on new platforms |
| 14:11.17 | Maxdamantus | and the current nix-pkgs doesn't much like cross-compiling .. has an added-later solution that works for some packages. |
| 14:11.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/if/of/ |
| 14:12.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to add nix to maemo fremantle, there are other more or less crappy package managers around as alternative to HAM |
| 14:12.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see how that's related to fptf or Neo900 |
| 14:12.38 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: I guess I could live with it |
| 14:12.43 | bencoh | (no mafw) |
| 14:12.54 | Maxdamantus | it was related to “this is why being able to rebuild everything from scratch is important” |
| 14:12.59 | bencoh | and/or replace it (mpd love) |
| 14:13.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's you. sorry to say you are not the benchmark for this |
| 14:13.12 | bencoh | indeed |
| 14:13.25 | bencoh | couldnt be any more true :) |
| 14:13.43 | NIN101 | I have been out of the loop for a while. There is no way to solve the KEYEXPIRED problem for http://repository.maemo.org fremantle other than setting the date back to something like 2010, right? |
| 14:14.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: is it a problem really? |
| 14:14.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise, no |
| 14:14.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, right |
| 14:14.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia fscked it up and never will fix it |
| 14:14.57 | NIN101 | :/ |
| 14:15.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | however keys are not a mandatory component to make the infra work |
| 14:15.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I think whenever you run into this "key expired" it's a warning only |
| 14:16.06 | bencoh | it is |
| 14:16.18 | NIN101 | yes, but not a nice one. |
| 14:16.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | in HAM (red pill mode) there's a setting to ignore keys all together iirc |
| 14:16.37 | bencoh | ignoring keys isnt all nice though |
| 14:16.42 | NIN101 | indeed. |
| 14:18.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, yeah, somebody might highjack nokia DNS and redirect HAM to a rogue repo that injects malware or spyware to your device, when you ignore keys |
| 14:19.40 | Maxdamantus | or just highjack the DNS on the network you're using. |
| 14:19.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | just, everybody could already do so very easily via acme-app in maemo-extras or maemo-devel |
| 14:20.41 | Maxdamantus | is GSM traffic normally encrypted? |
| 14:21.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | "encrypted" yeah |
| 14:21.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | the internet is not safe |
| 14:22.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | security by complication is as much snakeoil like security by obscurity is |
| 14:23.02 | bencoh | and gsm has been "broken" btw |
| 14:23.17 | bencoh | (but that's not really related to this) |
| 14:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | (and nobody uses GSM for data anymore, btw ;-P ) |
| 14:23.46 | bencoh | ;) |
| 14:23.57 | bencoh | just for phone/sms |
| 14:24.04 | jaska | gsm data? as in csd?:D |
| 14:24.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard there's that new thing caled UMTS |
| 14:24.20 | bencoh | no kidding ? too new for me :p |
| 14:24.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | some call it 3G |
| 14:24.33 | bencoh | pretty sure its a rumor |
| 14:24.36 | bencoh | even more so, a myt |
| 14:24.38 | bencoh | myth* |
| 14:25.04 | Maxdamantus | used it for data the other day. |
| 14:25.07 | jaska | i use gprs/edge occasionally |
| 14:25.20 | jaska | i keep my n900 on 2g by default |
| 14:25.26 | bencoh | same here |
| 14:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, but the threat from somebody intercepting your GSM data OTA connection is marginal compared to same guys simply intercepting all data on next vulnerable cisco server in your carrier's network, or anywhere |
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| 14:27.32 | bencoh | yup |
| 14:27.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see NSA (or a hacker with the powers to do so) actually developing a fake nokia fremantle repo to inject malware to N900 |
| 14:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody doing this *really* must have resources he *needs* to waste on nonsense |
| 14:29.28 | Maxdamantus | Security through obscurity. |
| 14:29.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels like burglary by digging a hole through earth |
| 14:29.39 | Maxdamantus | or maybe unpopularity. |
| 14:29.43 | bencoh | actually that kind of stuff could be part of a larger project |
| 14:29.46 | Maxdamantus | which might be described as obscurity. |
| 14:29.48 | SAiF | to be true.. A lot of my friends havent even seen a n900 other than mine.. no offence |
| 14:30.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 14:30.11 | bencoh | ("let's infect droids, iThings, then symbians, maemo, [...]") |
| 14:30.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody generally knows wtf is N900 |
| 14:30.58 | Kilroo | There are actually two people where I work who have them. |
| 14:31.12 | Kilroo | Me, and the former Freerunner user who got interested after he saw mine. |
| 14:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL, somebody planning a multi-million USD plot to infect a userbase of 30k using a dead OS (sorry but that's it)... sounds like a silly science fiction |
| 14:31.42 | Kilroo | I haven't been carrying mine lately though. |
| 14:32.00 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: :) |
| 14:32.33 | Kilroo | Largely because I haven't felt like bothering to get another belt case for it since the last one broke off of the clip for the fourth time. |
| 14:32.47 | NIN101 | a decent hacker doesn't need multi-million USDs to gain some kind of access to maemo and replace some packages with some evil things? |
| 14:32.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah I know that :-/ |
| 14:33.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: via DNS hijacking? really? |
| 14:33.28 | NIN101 | no, owning the server directly. |
| 14:33.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | feasible for a targeted attack |
| 14:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | to a single user |
| 14:34.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | those are carried out via more comfortable attack vectors though, usually |
| 14:34.58 | Kilroo | Thank you, now I'm picturing a recliner labeled "attack vector." |
| 14:35.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | like simply manipulating the device directly after breaking in your flat when your device sits there charging, and you are under the shower |
| 14:36.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | owning the server opens up all sorts of attack vectors and nothing your keys could do against that |
| 14:37.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | who pwned the server also owns the signature private keys, usually |
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| 14:38.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | or they simply inject another binary or even sourcecode to the build service, so it doesn't show to public interface. then they wait for next repo update |
| 14:38.20 | NIN101 | yep. |
| 14:39.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme put it this way: thanks to the expired key which can't get updated you definitely won't see *any* package updates from the nokia fremantle repos anymore |
| 14:40.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm rather concerned how long you see the repos themselves |
| 14:40.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually Nokia will simply shut them down |
| 14:41.09 | NIN101 | is repository.maemo.org under nokia control? |
| 14:41.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a good question. Rather not |
| 14:41.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | but downloads.maemo.nokia.com (or similar) is |
| 14:42.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | repository.maemo.org is basically under control of awesome maemo techstaff |
| 14:42.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | read: warfare, merlin1991 aso |
| 14:42.56 | NIN101 | so, theoretically it would be possible to simply create a new key and sign the stuff with it? |
| 14:43.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | theoretically yes, but how would you deploy that new key to the devices? |
| 14:43.37 | NIN101 | yeah :-). |
| 14:44.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | you only could do that when you had a valid key to sign the new key with it |
| 14:44.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia missed the latest point in time to do that |
| 14:44.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | *before* the old key expired |
| 14:45.30 | Kilroo | I wonder if there's anyone at Nokia who cares a little. |
| 14:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | we spotted another still valid key they also have deployed to all devices, they could use that valid key to sign the new repo key to deploy it. But Nokia rejected that |
| 14:46.31 | NIN101 | did they give a reason? |
| 14:46.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kilroo: hardly |
| 14:46.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: (lack of) competence |
| 14:47.03 | NIN101 | I see. |
| 14:47.34 | Kilroo | You're probably right, but I like to imagine some poor neat-freak sap who works in a mailroom or something who would be upset by it just because it's sloppy. |
| 14:47.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | that other key is in the vault of another subdivision of Nokia and that subdivision isn't willing to cooperate. Or somesuch |
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| 14:51.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: (repository.maemo.org) NB this repo has no "key expired" problem afaik |
| 14:52.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you can't deploy a new key for downloads.maemo.nokia.com via maemo-extras |
| 14:53.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | or at least I think you can't, if only for the reason that there's not a single package that every user got installed from maemo-extras so you could ship an update to that package and thus deploy the key |
| 14:55.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and since Nokia isn't going to rebuild and sign the base fremantle repo, there's no use in further pursuing this issue. We rather need to find a solution for the time when nokia repos vanish completely |
| 14:55.46 | bencoh | yup |
| 14:55.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | which I'm rather sure the will, sooner rather than later |
| 14:55.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | they* |
| 14:57.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | there been approaches to prepare for that event, like skeiron, but recently HiFo thinks Nokia will magically resurrect maemo when only HiFo and whole community plays nice |
| 14:59.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw we didn't hear of any progress or any activity at all regarding negotiations between HiFo and Nokia, for the last ~ 5 months. I wonder how long till there's some report form HiFo to community about state of things |
| 15:01.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | but those negotiations are so SEKRIT that obviously not even a "this week 2 mails" note is allowed |
| 15:02.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | doubts it would be even a "this month one mail" note though |
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| 15:04.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | the e.V founding seems also lost in the voids of time, I ca't recall I've seen anything happening since that foundation meeting |
| 15:05.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc there been some letter mentioned that been meant to get sent around to all inaugural e.V. members to get signed by them. So far nobody even asked me for my mail address |
| 15:07.05 | Sicelo | you're not going to be a member :p |
| 15:07.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 15:08.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | then why the fuck are they bashing/pestering me with "are you willing to sign those papers??? dickhead!" |
| 15:08.38 | NIN101 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12632 cert expried b2w |
| 15:08.40 | povbot | 04Bug 12632: Fremantle CSSU testing apt repository is signed by diablo gpg key |
| 15:08.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: I know |
| 15:09.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that's not my business anymore |
| 15:09.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik techstaff tries to fix that |
| 15:10.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, wasn't it the time of the year another council (and HiFo?) election was pending? |
| 15:12.23 | NIN101 | ok seems most of repostiory.maemo.org is good (extras etc.). My problem was community-testing, which is signed by an expired key. |
| 15:13.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall we had a decision in very first council meeting of this current term's council where we agreed upon doing council election a month or so early to keep it in sync with the HiFo election pending after a year or whatever the term for that entity |
| 15:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: cssu-testing? |
| 15:14.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maemo-testing? |
| 15:14.19 | NIN101 | DocScrutinizer05: http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ |
| 15:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I don't know the true URLs of all our repos by heart |
| 15:16.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | is this maemo-extras|*TESTING*|devel or CSSU-Testing? |
| 15:16.40 | NIN101 | CSSU testing afaik. |
| 15:16.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ---> merlin1991 |
| 15:17.01 | NIN101 | ok. thx. |
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| 15:23.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to remember the guys planned to deploy a fresh key quite a while ago - maybe around xmas - and I think they did. Maybe they missed to use it to sign the last CSSU-T version with it, which would actually make sense since you can't sign a distro update with a key you deploy in that distro update |
| 15:25.18 | bencoh | right :) |
| 15:25.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 15:25.53 | bencoh | hmm I should build/package memlockd some time |
| 15:26.09 | bencoh | (hate it when mce stuff gets swapped) |
| 15:28.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | mce gets swapped out? shouldn't happen I guess |
| 15:30.27 | bencoh | either mce or something powerbutton depends on |
| 15:32.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, HD I guess |
| 15:32.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | simply the window manager |
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| 15:32.54 | bencoh | might be |
| 15:33.13 | bencoh | would tklock depend on it ? |
| 15:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | this device has too few RAM |
| 15:33.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 15:33.41 | bencoh | true ;) |
| 15:33.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | tklock? the process, the message, the function? |
| 15:34.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | tklock is an action taken by mce aiui |
| 15:35.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and triggered via HAL and dbus, I guess. shouldn't be related to swap in any way |
| 15:35.26 | bencoh | that's exactly the one I'm referring to |
| 15:35.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | as long as you're talking about the slider button |
| 15:35.59 | bencoh | hmm, the 2-push powerbutton one |
| 15:36.11 | bencoh | dunno who handles it though |
| 15:36.23 | bencoh | (I think it is mce but ...) |
| 15:36.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | that one is obviously also talking to window manager resp HD, for displaying the powerbutton menu |
| 15:37.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody might want to fix that, so the menu only pops up after doubleclick timeout and only one powerbutton click detected in that time window |
| 15:38.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | as it's now I bet it invokes the display-menu action instantly on first click, and that brings stuff to a grinding halt for the time swap happens |
| 15:39.08 | bencoh | might be |
| 15:39.13 | bencoh | makes sense actually |
| 15:41.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never use powerbutton doubleclick for tklock |
| 15:42.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I consider it risky to enable that |
| 15:42.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | a power button doubleclick happens easily to my device |
| 15:42.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | when in pocket |
| 15:43.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, it still locks on doubleclick, but it doesn't unlock |
| 15:43.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I never use it, I only use the slider switch |
| 15:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka tklock switch |
| 15:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I frequently use power button to watch the clock on lockscreen |
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| 15:47.46 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: I only use it to lock, not to unlock |
| 15:47.58 | bencoh | and lockswitch is a pain (at least for me) to operate |
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| 15:57.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL! [2014-04-13 Sun 13:11:02] <pursuivant> Fix Bug 316097 - copying or moving folder to one of its own subfolders should never be possible |
| 15:57.52 | povbot | 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/316097 was not found. |
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| 15:58.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | last time I seen this been in linux extfs arounf kernel 0.99 |
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| 17:35.17 | jdoles | How can I manage a playlist for an N900? The UI on the phone seems terrible to do that. I am now on a Linux machine and I could create a playlist there, but I think there are some conditions for the files to be generated. |
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| 18:19.57 | Sicelo | jdoles: the Media Player should recognize playlists without a problem |
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| 20:37.34 | NIN101 | can somebody provide an output of "ls /etc/ssl/certs | wc -l" on the N900? |
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| 20:49.29 | bencoh | NIN101: 0 |
| 20:49.41 | NIN101 | bencoh: thx. |
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| 20:50.06 | bencoh | seems a bit odd though |
| 20:51.14 | NIN101 | my openssl in maemo is kinda broken. |
| 20:56.16 | bencoh | it is kinda broken everywhere anyway |
| 20:56.40 | NIN101 | haha :-). |
| 20:56.55 | NIN101 | mine doesn't manage to verify any website though. |
| 20:58.23 | bencoh | sad |
| 20:58.49 | bencoh | actually I was talking about default cert path and where does openssl look at verif time |
| 20:59.42 | bencoh | it seems that it doesn't check /etc/ssl/certs by default |
| 21:02.15 | NIN101 | openssl version -a gives the path |
| 21:02.56 | NIN101 | which on maemo gives /usr/lib/ssl for me, which has symlinks back to /etc/ssl/ |
| 21:03.30 | bencoh | does it work then ? |
| 21:03.38 | NIN101 | no, it can't verify any website. |
| 21:03.44 | bencoh | havent been able to make openssl -verify work on debian |
| 21:05.24 | NIN101 | for example, "openssl s_client -connect encrypted.google.com:443" returns "verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate". |
| 21:06.58 | bencoh | same on debian |
| 21:12.56 | NIN101 | hmm, indeed. odd. |
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| 22:28.55 | grummund | Hi all, i don't know where else to ask this... |
| 22:29.21 | grummund | my N900 is giving 'double beeps' periodically |
| 22:29.40 | grummund | battery is showing 95% |
| 22:30.02 | grummund | what's it trying to tell me? |
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| 23:12.05 | Maxdamantus | grummund: try looking at dmesg |
| 23:13.03 | Maxdamantus | would imagine it might mean a missed call though. |
| 23:13.18 | Maxdamantus | Dunno. Haven't had many phone calls since getting mine. |
| 23:14.28 | grummund | it's not missed call |
| 23:15.16 | grummund | also, Profile is on silent |
| 23:17.58 | grummund | it's the kind of alert you'd exepect from a device that was dying, e.g. lo batt alert. |
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