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06:22.15ApicDocScrutinizer05: ic, thank You!
06:22.29ApicWhat Image do i need to flash when i want to keep the 32GB eMMC?
06:22.36ApicOnly wanna restore Root FS
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06:30.47ApicRX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin looks as bad as RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, because Combined sounds like multiple Images?
06:31.00ApicMaybe i can find a matching Option in flasher.
06:31.25ApicI do not even need to flash Kernel…
06:31.33ApicBut i dunno if the Multiboot U-Boot will still work
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06:31.39ApicSo i probably better flash Kernel too…
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06:32.05ApicI hope somebody knowledgeful will awake soon. ;-)
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07:30.29MaxdamantusApic: I think you can do it with --flash-only=rootfs
07:30.33MaxdamantusApic: but don't take my word for it.
07:32.19ApicI'm actually still charging
07:32.28ApicYesterday charging w/ the corrupt Device did not work.
07:32.49ApicI will go for Breakfast now, hope DocScrutinizer05 or someone else cognisant will appear.  ^.^
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08:12.20bencohcombined is written to nand afaik
08:12.34bencohvanilla_emmc is written to ... emmc :)
08:18.01ApicOk, now i'll try --flash-only=rootfs
08:18.04ApicWish me Luck!
08:19.44Apic…
08:20.11Apic!flasher
08:20.14Apic~flasher
08:20.15infobotextra, extra, read all about it, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
08:21.14Apichttp://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH is gone
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08:25.26ApicSending and flashing rootfs image (185728 kB)...
08:25.27Apic<PROTECTED>
08:25.36Apic100% (185728 of 185728 kB, avg. 15137 kB/s)
08:25.36ApicFinishing flashing... done
08:26.38ApicNow it shows 2   NOKIA   .
08:26.54ApicShall i send a REBOOT Command via flasher?
08:28.51ApicI just disconnected the USB
08:29.01ApicNow it showed a dim Kernel Boot, then a white Light
08:29.14ApicNow i push the Power Button
08:29.19ApicU-Boot Menu still there!
08:29.25ApicI try to boot Kernel-Power
08:29.46ApicNow it seems it went off…
08:30.19ApicI'll try the ordinary Kernel
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08:31.09ApicIt shows the 5 bubbling Dots
08:31.15Apic*throb*
08:31.29ApicStill… hm…
08:31.35ApicHangs?
08:31.54ApicDarn, seems to hang.
08:32.10ApicAnyone got an Idea?
08:32.12ApicAh
08:32.12Apicnow
08:32.13Apic!
08:32.14ApicYeah
08:32.17Apic”Enter lock code"
08:32.33ApicJust my D-Theme Green is gone - obviously
08:32.42ApicAnd the Holdings-Hands-Video that i disabled shows ;-)
08:32.43Apico/
08:32.54ApicEpic Success!
08:38.38ApicNow restored Backup, it launches Program Manager to reinstall the Stuff!  \o/
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09:46.28DocScrutinizer05~flashing
09:46.29infobothmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
09:47.49DocScrutinizer05and http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH works fine here
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09:50.59ApicYah, worked
09:52.03DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware has a fine mini-tutorial not only how to flash but also what gets flashed and what this means
09:54.16Apick
09:54.27ApicNow i want to install a fresh Debian Chroot
09:54.40ApicDo You have Experience regarding that?
09:54.59ApicI need an ext2 to make debootstrap work right from the Start probably…
09:55.01DocScrutinizer05I heard you best install that to a ext* fs
09:56.02DocScrutinizer05most easy to create on a uSD card
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09:56.55DocScrutinizer05others loopmount a huge file on VFAT as a ext* fs
09:57.35DocScrutinizer05most I think create their chroot on /home/
09:57.42Apicic
09:57.55DocScrutinizer05home/ has 2GB size
09:57.59ApicOk
09:58.13DocScrutinizer05and is ext
09:58.27ApicSo i'll make a Stage 1 with ~1G and then from there create the eMMC-ext3-Image
09:58.32ApicOk
09:58.43ApicProbably even 256MB will suffice for Stage 1
10:01.29ApicHow can i ssh via USB Connection (do not want to WLAN because of http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140320100824.htm)…
10:02.09ApicI activated /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and gave ip 192.167.42.23 to my Phone and .42 to my Base Laptop, but cannot Ping…
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10:02.19Apics/167/168/
10:02.20ApicHi valerius
10:02.57Apics/ip/IP/
10:03.19valeriusApic hi
10:03.22Apiclulz, infobot does not support multiple Regex-Replaces ;-)
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10:07.03ApicAnyone?
10:07.43DocScrutinizer05~usb-networking
10:07.43infobotit has been said that usb-networking is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking, or  http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/usb-networking
10:08.28ApicThanks!
10:09.21ApicSo the Route on the Host was missing
10:10.24Apic192.168.42.0    *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 usb0
10:10.24Apic192.168.42.23   *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 usb0
10:10.30ApicBut still does not ping.  ;-(
10:27.04ApicAny Idea?
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10:40.31bencohyou dont need the last route
10:40.43bencoh192.168.42.0/24 is enough for that
10:41.38bencohand ... what do you want to achieve exactly ? (this is plain linux networking by the way, you should give a try at LARTC manual)
10:41.43ApicI want to SSH
10:41.50ApicSo i can use my big Console
10:41.55ApicInstead of the Mouse Keyboard
10:42.18Apic[3/5.0.5]root@ammonit:/home/apic# route del 192.168.42.23
10:42.18Apic[3/5.0.5]root@ammonit:/home/apic# route
10:42.18ApicKernel-IP-Routentabelle
10:42.18ApicZiel            Router          Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
10:42.18Apicdefault         fritz.box       0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0
10:42.20Apic192.168.42.0    *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 usb0
10:42.28ApicAnd now? Of course still cannot PING
10:42.47ApicMaybe it's an iptables Problem
10:43.26bencohmight be ... tcpdump on both ends
10:44.32ApicI'll go out for Lunch now… i'll try that thereafter, thank You!
10:47.11DocScrutinizer05yeah, make sure your firewall keeps out of usb0 interface
10:48.40DocScrutinizer05also make sure that no networkmanager or whatever thinks the N900 is a new NIC for accessing internet. A common problem that often can get solved only by stopping networkmanager
10:50.33bencohand removing this pile of shi^Uwoops
10:50.46bencoh(friday isn't it ?)
10:51.01DocScrutinizer05the usual problem with stuff trying to act smart
10:51.13bencoh:)
10:51.24DocScrutinizer05kinda like windows
10:51.28bencohkinda
10:52.17ApicTGIF
10:52.20ApicAnd now _really_ off
10:52.21ApicThanks ;-)
10:52.22Apic&
10:53.18DocScrutinizer05"this car is equipped with fully automatic intelligent autopilot. Whenever you enter the car between 8:00 and 9:00 AM, it immediately drives you to your office, no matter what"
10:54.49DocScrutinizer05alas you need a hammer and a wrench to unmount the autopilot when you want to drive to any other destination
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10:57.55DocScrutinizer05wonders if Apic has an executable file /me on his PC ;-)
11:20.45Apiczsh: datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden: /me
11:21.02ApicRe./
11:21.03Apic-/
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12:06.59MaxdamantusApic: fwiw, ssh provides security on its own.
12:07.11MaxdamantusApic: it's designed to work across insecure transports.
12:07.34ApicTrue.
12:07.46ApicSo i'll use WLAN anyhow
12:07.56ApicBut now i'll go to teh Piano Lessons
12:07.57Apiccul8r
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12:13.56MaxdamantusApic: but if you were trying to connect to it from a computer other than the one it was connected to by USB, you'd need to have the computer it's connected to as a route to the phone's subnet.
12:14.20Maxdamantusand for the computer it's connected to to be the default gateway for the phone.
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12:14.35Maxdamantusor, instead of the first thing, NAT.
12:14.44Maxdamantus(on the computer it's connected to)
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13:15.07ApicOk.
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13:21.47DocScrutinizer05not for WLAN
13:22.04DocScrutinizer05over an AP, with DHCP and all
13:24.20DocScrutinizer05N900 signs in to WLAN, receives e.g. 192.168.1.55 from WLAN's DHCP. Then on any computer in same (W)LAN, you simply do `ssh root@192.168.1.55` and enter the root password you enetered while installing openssh on N900. Done
13:36.16DocScrutinizer05Maxdamantus: but yes, trying to access a N900 connected to PC-A via USB from PC-B which may or may not be in same LAN like PC-A is a quite ambitious plan
13:38.05MaxdamantusIndeed.
13:38.33MaxdamantusIPv6 has standard mechanisms for doing all that stuff automatically though.
13:38.39DocScrutinizer05I don't think that's what Apic tried to do
13:39.06DocScrutinizer05I'd not worry about WPA2 vulnerabilities yet
13:39.34MaxdamantusI think he had the N900 plugged into one computer and was trying to connect to it from another one.
13:39.44DocScrutinizer05really?
13:39.59DocScrutinizer05that would explain his difficulties
13:40.02Maxdamantusotherwise he wouldn't've needed to enable forwarding.
13:41.03DocScrutinizer05ouch, right, he mentions forwarding
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13:42.05DocScrutinizer05maybe he did despite not needing it?
13:42.29MaxdamantusMaybe.
13:42.32DocScrutinizer05it's mentioned somewhere in "share PC's internet to N900 via USB" wiki
13:43.10DocScrutinizer05for a simple ssh session from PC to USB-attached N900 it's not needed though
13:44.08DocScrutinizer05and yes, for that you probbaly should use NAT to get the USB-device into primary network class IP range
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13:50.21Maxdamantuseh, dunno if my last messages went through .. not really important.
13:50.28Maxdamantus01:47:53 < Maxdamantus> if you just have a rule to do NAT across something like 192.168.0.0/16 internally, you can just use /24 subnets in there for various purposes and only have to worry about routing, not NAT.
13:51.50MaxdamantusNAT is harder than routing.
13:53.53DocScrutinizer05heads out to dead beef cafe to get some steak
13:55.48DocScrutinizer05also wonders whether to eventually try and switch to IPv6 in LAN and WAN
13:56.01ApicHumkay..
13:56.38DocScrutinizer05Apic: you checked my session protocol?
13:56.47DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/usb-networking
13:57.17ApicOnly glanced through, i'm in a Hurry atm ;-)
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15:48.15Ashley`how is called that button in the upper left corner of maemo's hoemscreen (and in non-fullscreen apps)?
15:48.31Ashley`and, can i simulate click on it from python?
15:48.46Ashley`i'm writing a full screen app :P
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16:53.24sixwheeledbeastAshley`: maybe see how cutetube-QML implemented this.
16:53.36sixwheeledbeasthildon components maybe
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19:19.04ApicW: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546
19:19.08ApicHow again do i fix this?
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20:06.47SiceloApic: i ignore it :p
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23:05.32DocScrutinizer05Apic: "W:" means Warning
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