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| 03:41.12 | Snafu777 | If i am using the following packages, do I need to have kernel-power-settings installed as well? |
| 03:41.19 | Snafu777 | dpkg -i /media/mmc1/pwnimage/kernel_files/kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb#[MD5 23542161ca5b6875726da3d86f67a7e1] |
| 03:41.21 | Snafu777 | dpkg -i /media/mmc1/pwnimage/kernel_files/kernel-power-headers_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb#[MD5 47bc304bec03eee661498b2448870d3e] |
| 03:41.21 | Snafu777 | dpkg -i /media/mmc1/pwnimage/kernel_files/kernel-power-modules_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb#[MD5 707ac4233b3fe62c953a8f59c7ce24b1] |
| 03:41.21 | Snafu777 | dpkg -i /media/mmc1/pwnimage/kernel_files/kernel-power-flasher_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb#[MD5 0da53d19401f4d71cdebad551ca9166e] |
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| 04:44.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel-power-settings is an app |
| 04:44.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, no |
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| 04:46.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | then otoh kernel-power-flasher is also an "app" |
| 04:47.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | while kernel-power-headers prolly is a sourcecode pkg |
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| 05:12.39 | Snafu777 | DocScrutinizer05: Okay, so I am wiping my N900 and trying to follow the community way of doing things. The only thing I "require" is packet-injection capabilities |
| 05:12.46 | Snafu777 | From a fresh flash, what should I apt-get |
| 05:12.50 | Snafu777 | If you don't mind |
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| 05:13.34 | Snafu777 | I kept having troubles with the cherry thing, once I wiped, so I figure, I'll try the "proper" way, and since you are very adept with it, I figure I can ask you and you can point me =) |
| 05:13.52 | Snafu777 | I'm slick and saavy with linux, so no worries on the noob side with trying to figure out what a command does |
| 05:14.14 | Snafu777 | I hate to keep wiping my eMMC, but it's how I know that I am starting from scratch |
| 05:14.39 | Snafu777 | The only thing different I have done as of right now is to: sed -e "s/2048/$NEW-HOME-SIZE/" path/to/*VANILLA*.bin >patched-VANILLA.bin |
| 05:14.44 | Snafu777 | erp |
| 05:14.53 | Snafu777 | sed -e "s/2048/9216/" RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin>patched-VANILLA.bin |
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| 05:25.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks ok |
| 05:25.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | you however should steer clear of apt-get usually |
| 05:26.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and particularly not edit your sources file manually, since HAM doesn't like that, or rather just gnores and overwrites it |
| 05:28.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get is fine for non-gui stuff, basically. And not even then always. Some things you rather should install via HAM, since they involve stuff that apt can't do |
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| 05:28.55 | Snafu777 | Hmm |
| 05:29.18 | Snafu777 | As soon as I installed my debs, cherry became an issue again =( |
| 05:29.36 | Snafu777 | I guess I need to stick with pymaemo and all the optification nonsense to avoid it |
| 05:32.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | community should create their own fixed COMBINED, kicking nonsense like cherry into outer orbit or completely out of this system |
| 05:33.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then HiFo gets panic again, since this is (C)-Nokia and we mustn't touch it, heck some say we mustn't even own it |
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| 05:43.36 | Snafu777 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU <---- Complete |
| 05:43.53 | Snafu777 | So DocScrutinizer05: Am I still able to install kernel-power and whatnot for packet injection? |
| 05:44.21 | Snafu777 | Is there anything I should not do (apt-get dist-upgrade, etc...) so that I don't break it? |
| 05:45.44 | Snafu777 | the biggest thing with the way that I used to install and play with stuff on my n900 was that I had to be real weary of adding anything |
| 05:45.50 | Snafu777 | lest I break the packet injection capabilities |
| 05:46.05 | Snafu777 | I've never done stuff the "official" maemo way, even though I've had my n900 for 2+ years now |
| 05:46.10 | Snafu777 | I feel so "new" with it doing it this way |
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| 06:06.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think powerkernel comes with injection drivers, and even a script to enable (aka modprobe) and disable them |
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| 06:06.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | powerkernel is 100% compatible to CSSU |
| 06:09.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | you probably shouldn't: apt-get (dist-)upgrade|autoremove, edit apt sources files (use HAM catalogs mgmt for that), keep maemo-extras-devel (or -testing) enabled; use fapman |
| 06:09.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and |
| 06:09.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~crappatch |
| 06:09.25 | infobot | somebody said speedpatch was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] |
| 06:10.03 | Snafu777 | last questions for you doc |
| 06:10.18 | Snafu777 | Regarding using the n900 as is, without my crazy rbind techniques |
| 06:10.23 | Snafu777 | if i want to install something |
| 06:10.32 | Snafu777 | and i do it via apt-get or dpkg -i |
| 06:10.45 | Snafu777 | is there a trick i can use so it's on /home/opt? |
| 06:11.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard there are options to install to somewhere else than the designated dirs |
| 06:11.30 | Snafu777 | Yeah, but you yourself, what do you do? |
| 06:11.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | but there's also a number of optify tools |
| 06:11.41 | Snafu777 | for after the fact, or beforehand? |
| 06:11.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never have this problem, tbh |
| 06:11.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | for after |
| 06:12.02 | Snafu777 | and do i run it againt the .deb prior to dpkg -i? |
| 06:12.08 | Snafu777 | or do i point it at a dir |
| 06:12.10 | Snafu777 | ? |
| 06:12.28 | Sicelo | the question is what would you be installing via deb/apt? if it's already optified, no need for 'tricks' |
| 06:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# maemo-optify- |
| 06:12.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh maemo-optify-firstboot.sh maemo-optify-lib.sh maemo-optify-make-mountbind.sh |
| 06:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | less `which maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh ` |
| 06:14.54 | Snafu777 | yeah im checking it out |
| 06:15.07 | Snafu777 | I'm just curious how a script can deal with this type of issue |
| 06:15.13 | Snafu777 | for instance, curl |
| 06:15.21 | Snafu777 | if i build it from source |
| 06:15.23 | Snafu777 | on a non optified system |
| 06:15.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=name&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=optify&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=title&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=same |
| 06:15.26 | Snafu777 | and dpkg-deb it |
| 06:15.55 | Snafu777 | it's going to install however the configure file built it |
| 06:16.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | it simply moves binaries to /opt and creates symlinks in place of originals |
| 06:16.11 | Snafu777 | so if it's set to drop into /foo/kill |
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| 06:16.49 | Snafu777 | Okay, but without me reading the script from top to bottom and mapping out exactly what it does |
| 06:17.09 | Snafu777 | just for giggles, i tried maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh / |
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| 06:17.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | check out the links I gave, there's a micro-howto somewhere. IIRC you feed that thing a textfile with dirs and/or binaries to optify |
| 06:18.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | suuuure, this will pan out excellently |
| 06:19.14 | Snafu777 | Okay, so lets say it popped some files in /usr/share/some_folder |
| 06:19.21 | Snafu777 | do I need to know it popped some files there? |
| 06:20.48 | Maxdamantus | just has everything on the same filesystem, so when it bind mounts /home/opt /opt, it's still within the same filesystem. |
| 06:21.43 | Maxdamantus | and /home/maemo5-root is the root of the OS (so that's chrooted into as init is run) |
| 06:22.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras_free_source/maemo-optify/0.2.1/ -> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/source/m/maemo-optify/maemo-optify_0.2.1.tar.gz -> README |
| 06:22.10 | Snafu777 | How'd you set that up from the getgo Maxdamantus ? |
| 06:22.35 | Snafu777 | I kind of did something like that, but it still had / on the NAND |
| 06:22.40 | Snafu777 | vs your chroot stuff |
| 06:22.47 | Snafu777 | Seems like you have a way better technique |
| 06:23.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need pivot_root for that |
| 06:23.31 | Maxdamantus | the NAND still actually has the OS, but it's not used (other than the busybox sh, mount, chroot etc for the prepreinit) |
| 06:23.38 | Maxdamantus | Meh, don't need pivot_root. |
| 06:23.47 | Maxdamantus | though it might be cleaner. |
| 06:23.58 | Snafu777 | mkdir -p /home/rootfs_bind/var/cache/apt |
| 06:23.59 | Snafu777 | cp -ar /var/cache/apt/* /home/rootfs_bind/var/cache/apt |
| 06:23.59 | Snafu777 | cp -ar /opt /home/rootfs_bind |
| 06:23.59 | Snafu777 | cp -ar /usr /home/rootfs_bind |
| 06:23.59 | Snafu777 | cp -ar /sbin /home/rootfs_bind |
| 06:23.59 | Snafu777 | cp -ar /lib /home/rootfs_bind |
| 06:24.01 | Snafu777 | cp -ar /root /home/rootfs_bind |
| 06:24.03 | Snafu777 | touch /home/rootfs_bind/THESE_ARE_SYSTEM_BIND_MOUNTS |
| 06:24.05 | Snafu777 | cp /media/mmc1/pwnimage/sys_files/sources.list /etc/apt/ |
| 06:24.07 | Snafu777 | chown -R user:root /home/user/MyDocs |
| 06:24.11 | Snafu777 | chown -R user:users /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/ |
| 06:24.13 | Snafu777 | that was my technique |
| 06:24.19 | Snafu777 | Still left some stuff on / (which i did not like) |
| 06:24.25 | Maxdamantus | I can't remember if pivot_root is the one that expects to essentially `rm -rf` the original tree. |
| 06:24.39 | Snafu777 | Do you have your direction Maxdamantus ? |
| 06:25.10 | Snafu777 | And before that, I had to do a modification to the following: |
| 06:25.12 | Snafu777 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.14 | Snafu777 | blah |
| 06:25.18 | Snafu777 | cp /media/mmc1/pwnimage/sys_files/rcS-late /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 06:25.18 | Snafu777 | chmod 644 /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 06:25.18 | Snafu777 | cp /media/mmc1/pwnimage/sys_files/genfstab.awk /usr/lib/genfstab.awk |
| 06:25.18 | Snafu777 | chmod 755 /usr/lib/genfstab.awk |
| 06:25.23 | Snafu777 | those two files |
| 06:26.52 | Maxdamantus | other than copying the files to the right places, there's a small script that replaces /sbin/preinit on the NAND filesystem (replaces so you don't need to set init= in the cmdline) |
| 06:27.16 | Maxdamantus | and disabling an automatic fstab generation thing somewhere. |
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| 06:29.06 | Maxdamantus | https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/01e0925fb0a303374123 |
| 06:29.28 | Maxdamantus | kind of ad-hoc. |
| 06:31.55 | Maxdamantus | ah, and there was some issue with dbus. |
| 06:32.13 | Maxdamantus | afaict, the normal dbus configuration shouldn't actually work. |
| 06:32.21 | Snafu777 | Heh |
| 06:32.32 | Snafu777 | Yer super far ahead of me in linux knowledge Maxdamantus =) |
| 06:32.37 | Maxdamantus | but it only stopped working after moving the root filesystem, for some reason. |
| 06:33.30 | Maxdamantus | the issue was a permission one of user being able to listen on services or something. |
| 06:33.42 | Maxdamantus | if you run into that issue, it'll probably hang on the dots. |
| 06:35.28 | Maxdamantus | also included in that gist above. |
| 06:35.46 | Maxdamantus | mce in particular. |
| 06:37.23 | Maxdamantus | doesn't really understand dbus though. |
| 06:38.01 | Maxdamantus | looks like the last rule should take care of what the added bit (<policy> for user="user") added. |
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| 06:41.46 | Snafu777 | too bad I can't just mount / /home/opt |
| 06:41.51 | Snafu777 | er |
| 06:42.00 | Snafu777 | mount / /home/opt/rootfs |
| 06:43.31 | Maxdamantus | you can with --bind |
| 06:44.00 | Maxdamantus | then you'll see the root filesystem without the other mounts on top of it. |
| 06:45.05 | Snafu777 | Still doesn't solve the 96MB free on / problem |
| 06:45.13 | Snafu777 | no matter which way you mount it =( |
| 06:45.21 | Snafu777 | and I'm evidently not linux saavy enough to figure this out |
| 06:45.29 | Maxdamantus | Ah, thought you were looking for an easy way to copy stuff off it. |
| 06:45.44 | Snafu777 | Trying to figure out an easier way than my current way to fix the / problem for the n900 |
| 06:45.47 | Snafu777 | great device |
| 06:46.00 | Snafu777 | but whoever the hell thought of the filesystem layout at Nokia should be shot |
| 06:46.58 | Maxdamantus | just make the new root in /home/maemo5-root or something, bind-mount / somewhere else so you can `cp -vax` from it to /home/maemo5-root |
| 06:47.23 | Snafu777 | Tell u what Maxdamantus: it's late as hell here |
| 06:47.33 | Snafu777 | I'd love to show you my progress I've made, and possibly exchange ideas |
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| 06:50.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's "the problem" in 96MB free on / ? I'd say that's pretty fine |
| 06:51.18 | Maxdamantus | just having to worry about it. |
| 06:51.41 | Maxdamantus | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 06:51.41 | Maxdamantus | /dev/sdd2 7.3T 5.4T 1.9T 74% / |
| 06:51.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never worry about that. Why should I? For the fun of worrying about something? |
| 06:55.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I start to worry about /var/log/syslog size, after 120 days of uptime |
| 06:55.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | >/var/log/syslog |
| 06:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | fixes that worries in no time |
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| 06:57.13 | Snafu777 | I worry about it DocScrutinizer05, because most sourcefiles on the internet don't worry about optification, and unless you mod the makefile, or add certain files to configure, then those sourcefiles output fills the n900 up rather quickly |
| 06:57.27 | Snafu777 | and each sourcefile has it's own little tweak and issues |
| 06:57.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | others are not worried about syslogs of early boot, and thus place their syslog to MyDocs |
| 06:57.50 | Snafu777 | So much so that it's frickin frustrating to develop on the n900 from a non scratchbox method |
| 06:58.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Snafu777: I don't get it. you say you compile stuff from random sources meant for random target platforms to install it on maemo, and you worst worries you have are about optification? :-o |
| 06:59.07 | Snafu777 | I hack it up dude =) |
| 06:59.09 | Snafu777 | I make it work |
| 06:59.24 | Snafu777 | not random platforms per se |
| 06:59.29 | Snafu777 | but i'll grab a source.tar.gz |
| 06:59.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~xy |
| 06:59.31 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. |
| 06:59.33 | Snafu777 | try configure |
| 06:59.34 | Snafu777 | make |
| 06:59.35 | Snafu777 | make install |
| 06:59.48 | Snafu777 | and if it works, great |
| 06:59.56 | Snafu777 | if not, i'll play with some flags on configure |
| 07:00.15 | Snafu777 | typically I build on Mint, and port to my n900 =) by modding the flags on make |
| 07:00.26 | Snafu777 | make HOME=foo or whatever the makefile talks about |
| 07:00.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | shakes head |
| 07:01.03 | Sicelo | ;) |
| 07:01.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know, there's a compile time option to determine where to install that stuff to |
| 07:01.33 | Snafu777 | Sure |
| 07:01.42 | Snafu777 | But sometimes I go with a straight .deb from wheezy debian |
| 07:01.44 | Snafu777 | things like that |
| 07:01.49 | Snafu777 | depends on what proggie I want |
| 07:02.00 | Snafu777 | armel style |
| 07:02.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 07:02.07 | Sicelo | wheezy, heh |
| 07:02.08 | Snafu777 | I just use what i find that works |
| 07:02.13 | Snafu777 | or lenny |
| 07:02.22 | Snafu777 | im thinking wheezy for kali |
| 07:02.24 | Snafu777 | so disregard |
| 07:02.28 | Snafu777 | lenny = n900 friendly |
| 07:02.55 | Sicelo | the programs you're installing aren't already available for N900? |
| 07:03.02 | Snafu777 | Take curl for instance |
| 07:03.15 | Snafu777 | My hacked up version of curl has options you cant get with the apt-get install version |
| 07:03.29 | Snafu777 | because i added everysingle library i could find |
| 07:03.34 | Snafu777 | and configured it as such =) |
| 07:04.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you're such a venturous hacker that you install lenny .debs on fremantle, but are shy to mv /bin/$leeteproggi /opt/bin && ln -s /opt/bin/$leetproggi; then I dunno what to say |
| 07:04.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | except |
| 07:04.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~xy |
| 07:04.13 | infobot | methinks xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. |
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| 07:05.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, creating a fremantle rootfs on eMMC is for sure muuuuch easier |
| 07:05.24 | Snafu777 | http://configitnow.com/repo/pool/utils/c/curl-n900/curl-n900_7.18.2_armel.deb |
| 07:05.45 | Snafu777 | I'm just shy of bricking my 2nd n900 doc =( |
| 07:06.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that fremantle really is crap, it never works like you expect it to work with your lenny debs and your hacked chroot |
| 07:06.12 | Snafu777 | Agreed |
| 07:06.17 | Snafu777 | 100% with you |
| 07:06.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't brick N900 |
| 07:06.22 | Snafu777 | Oh... |
| 07:06.25 | Snafu777 | I nuked my first one |
| 07:06.30 | Snafu777 | from a lot of eMMC reflashes |
| 07:06.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | with a hammer? |
| 07:06.52 | Sicelo | interesting.. yesterday you were suggesting that's not true.. |
| 07:06.55 | Snafu777 | With the concrete after the programs on a fresh flash kept crashing |
| 07:07.20 | Snafu777 | Sicelo: Me? |
| 07:08.11 | Snafu777 | The reason I use lenny .debs is because the arm versions seem to work |
| 07:08.25 | Snafu777 | and if it "seems" to work, then why not =) it prevents me from compiling and dealing with the nonsense |
| 07:08.43 | Sicelo | 19:13 < Sicelo> so? |
| 07:08.43 | Sicelo | 19:13 < Snafu777> Doesn't that mean it has a limited number of "lives"? |
| 07:08.45 | Sicelo | 19:14 < Sicelo> your experience does not prove or disprove anything at all |
| 07:09.03 | Snafu777 | Yeah, I mentioned it yesterday |
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| 07:09.28 | Snafu777 | that it has a limited number of lives, because whatever i was reading or what we were talking about seemed to back up that flashing to the nand x amount of times kills it |
| 07:09.50 | Maxdamantus | would like to see if he can just ditch the special phone OS at some point. |
| 07:09.58 | Snafu777 | i kid you not, I bought a used n900 in vegas in 2012 |
| 07:10.03 | Snafu777 | flashed it around 45+ times |
| 07:10.11 | Snafu777 | and it just started freaking out |
| 07:10.20 | Snafu777 | would randomly crash on terminal being opened |
| 07:10.24 | Snafu777 | things like that |
| 07:10.41 | Snafu777 | So eventually, out of frustration, i made it go airborne =0 |
| 07:10.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you kid, I not |
| 07:10.54 | Snafu777 | And express ordered one the next day via ebay |
| 07:10.57 | Snafu777 | had my 2nd one sense |
| 07:10.59 | Snafu777 | since |
| 07:11.05 | Maxdamantus | there's some n900 implemenation of a freephonesomething DBus API |
| 07:11.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 07:11.46 | Maxdamantus | should just be able to run that and add simple SMS UIs around it |
| 07:11.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | needed by SHR |
| 07:11.53 | Snafu777 | Truthfully, the reason I love the n900 so much is that it is the smallest device that has the capability to do packet injection |
| 07:12.09 | Sicelo | Maxdamantus: even ofono works. btw, see http://elinux.org .. in future you s hould be able to run a vanilla kernel on N900 (may still need a few patches though) |
| 07:12.25 | Maxdamantus | run xmonad with a less keyful config |
| 07:13.21 | Maxdamantus | I'll see what that is in a bit, afpk (p = phone) |
| 07:13.39 | Snafu777 | Well, anyways it is late. Thanks for putting up with me, I know I can seem to test your patience DocScrutinizer05 =) |
| 07:13.54 | Snafu777 | I look forward to your reply Maxdamantus =) |
| 07:13.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Snafu777: yes, NAND writes are limited to maybe 10000 (to *each* single page) |
| 07:14.20 | Snafu777 | Snafu777> i kid you not, I bought a used n900 in vegas in 2012 |
| 07:14.29 | Snafu777 | Not sure how "used" it was |
| 07:14.33 | Snafu777 | but I murdered it |
| 07:14.36 | Snafu777 | =) |
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| 07:14.48 | Snafu777 | Anyways, goodnight people =) |
| 07:14.50 | Snafu777 | Good chatting |
| 07:14.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | for eMMC that limit should be a few magnitudes higher though |
| 07:14.56 | Snafu777 | and try my curl version |
| 07:15.01 | Snafu777 | it's waaaay better =) |
| 07:15.11 | Snafu777 | =)---->------< |
| 07:15.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | '...bricked my eMMC by flashing it 45 times' TZZZ |
| 07:16.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably cracked eMMC chip by pressing on the keyboard really violently |
| 07:16.36 | Sicelo | :p |
| 07:17.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | or ran nandtest, and mixed up eMMC and NAND |
| 07:17.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | nandtest is made to wear out nand |
| 07:18.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's one of the two ways I know of, that you really can brick your N900 with |
| 07:18.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | without using brute mechanical or electrical force |
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| 07:29.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | nandtest --passes 9999999 --offset 0 --length 300000 |
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| 07:34.59 | Maxdamantus | oFono seems somewhat vague .. "a place to bring developers together .." |
| 07:35.09 | Maxdamantus | but it seems to include a Linux tree. |
| 07:35.47 | Sicelo | :) it works, i used it with Debian on the N900, and could use 3G, as well as send sms messages. |
| 07:36.11 | Maxdamantus | what did you actually use to send SMS messages? |
| 07:36.21 | Sicelo | cli |
| 07:36.42 | Sicelo | also sent USSD codes :) |
| 07:36.47 | Maxdamantus | Oh, it's not a Linux tree. |
| 07:36.58 | Sicelo | there's some test scripts provided with ofono.. |
| 07:37.33 | Maxdamantus | okay, so it ultimately provides a bunch of programs for doing telephony stuff, so should be a decent starting point. |
| 07:39.30 | Sicelo | even phone calls would work, if it wasn't for weird mix of alsa, pulse, etc by nokia .. |
| 07:41.03 | Maxdamantus | were you using Debian while running Maemo normally? |
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| 07:42.53 | Maxdamantus | if you were running it without Maemo, presumably the weird mix Nokia uses should be irrelevant. |
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| 07:57.56 | Sicelo | i was not running maemo. booting debian |
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| 07:58.50 | Sicelo | i'm not a guru in these things, but there's something about cmt-speech which needs some specific things provided only by this mix-mash |
| 07:59.44 | Sicelo | if you look in the elinux page i gave before, someone's working on fixing this.. then we should be able to use N900 more easily :) |
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| 08:00.42 | Sicelo | Skry made some real good progress with this pulseaudio thing, so he was able to make phone calls in ArchLinux. he did not get to GUI stage |
| 08:02.37 | Ashley` | My N900 is "broken", u-boot, etcl. don't work, so if making calls from archlinux (easily from commandline) i'd be happy |
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| 08:04.46 | Maxdamantus | How would you get to ArchLinux if it's broken such that u-boot doesn't work? |
| 08:05.19 | Ashley` | isnt it pssible to install it as main OS? |
| 08:05.24 | Ashley` | w/o dualboot |
| 08:05.27 | Ashley` | ? |
| 08:06.00 | Maxdamantus | Sure, but if you can do that you can probably get u-boot to work. |
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| 08:07.12 | Maxdamantus | but why doesn't u-boot work? |
| 08:07.20 | Ashley` | i dont know |
| 08:07.31 | Ashley` | it just cannot boot anything |
| 08:07.54 | Maxdamantus | So u-boot loads, but you can't boot anything? |
| 08:08.05 | Maxdamantus | how do you know you're trying correctly? |
| 08:08.51 | Maxdamantus | u-boot doesn't normally boot standard Linux images. You need to wrap them in a special u-boot format that adds a header describing the architecture and stuff. |
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| 08:09.46 | Sicelo | Ashley`: test by booting your Arch via flasher.. load the kernel, don't flash it.. |
| 08:09.59 | Sicelo | and with u-boot, make sure you're using right version |
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| 11:36.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Ashley`: http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:RecentChanges |
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| 11:48.04 | kerio | damn i have to calibrate my battery again |
| 11:48.19 | Ashley` | DocScrutinizer05: tabfail i guess |
| 11:48.46 | Ashley` | ashley: 12:36:23 <DocScrutinizer05> Ashley`: http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:RecentChanges |
| 11:49.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | tabfail? |
| 11:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm talking about those "SUBJ1" spammers |
| 11:50.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | they start to annoy me |
| 11:51.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | must be some damn automatism, nobody sane in mind would simply delete a whole wikipage's content and place "SUBJ1" into the subject |
| 11:52.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I start to want to attack that IP's machine |
| 11:53.28 | Maxdamantus | Google autocompletes "subj1" to "subj1 spam" |
| 11:53.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
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| 12:02.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | not much useful info though. Except maybe that one linkedin comment who suspects it comes from a work |
| 12:03.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway 91.207.7.82 either got hijacked by malware or some skiddie is practicing with a malware construction kit there |
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| 12:13.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=User:Tuxsavvy&curid=4807&diff=52823&oldid=45752&rcid=53215 |
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| 12:16.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | going to roll-back that edit |
| 12:21.13 | Maxdamantus | that first IP address is on my ISP. |
| 12:22.07 | Maxdamantus | er, no it's not. |
| 12:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Ashley`: maybe we actually should disallow edits for non-registered (anonymous) users. I opted for not doing it so far, with the argument that this way it's easier to spot and revert rogue edits. I'm not sure my approach been correct |
| 12:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | @all: any opinions regarding that plan to block edits from anonymous on maemo wiki? |
| 12:54.47 | Ashley` | DocScrutinizer05: you're tabfailing |
| 12:55.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 12:55.10 | Ashley` | DocScrutinizer05: i'm not droid^WAshley you're looking for |
| 12:55.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 12:55.51 | Ashley` | :P |
| 12:55.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn! |
| 12:56.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ashley: ^^^ |
| 12:56.28 | Ashley` | i pinged ashley for you earlier :P |
| 12:57.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, this ` failed my eyes |
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| 13:22.06 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: @all is all of us here? i agree. edits hould be from registered users. such registration implies some level of trust. otherwise we could easily end up with inaccurate info, etc |
| 13:22.07 | gholen | So, Is there anyway to get the screen to rotate to both portrait AND landscapemode? I REALLY need that to make the N900 useful. |
| 13:22.57 | Sicelo | gholen: modified-hildon-desktop. |
| 13:23.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, rather |
| 13:23.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 13:23.11 | infobot | it has been said that cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 13:23.18 | Sicelo | CSSU already has it by default, and is very advisable to install |
| 13:23.22 | Sicelo | ah :) |
| 13:23.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and there particularly -testing |
| 13:24.09 | Sicelo | if i'm on stable, and want to move to -testing, anything more than just changing catalogs? |
| 13:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, basically not, afaik |
| 13:25.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | otoh you could just install the "missing features" "manually" |
| 13:25.36 | Sicelo | :) |
| 13:26.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Latest version: Testing(2014-01-01): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1; Stable(2013-06-18): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo6.1 |
| 13:27.18 | gholen | Sicelo: Thanks, but the Wiki itself is full with broken links and is hard to read (U run gentoo in development so yeah, I can read), so that have to wait in that case. I cant seem to get the exe working (I'd rather not put anything I dont fully trust on my gentoomashine), and yeah. back in the box you go! |
| 13:27.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | uh? |
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| 13:31.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | the heck. CSSU has one-click-install already. I can't come up with any idea how to further simplify this process |
| 13:31.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | "eeeek! 50 lines of info? Nah, no time for that" |
| 13:32.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | also I can't see any broken links on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 13:32.59 | gholen | DocScrutinizer05: Sorry? I thought you where not talking to me, but anouther person, so CSSU ? |
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| 13:52.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | gholen: yes |
| 13:57.50 | gholen | DocScrutinizer05: Installed it, but apparently there is a bit of problems, as it cannot find some of the links enbedded in Community SSU. The program that is supposed to do the stuf is complaing about 404s ans sutch. :( |
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| 14:03.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ^^^ |
| 14:04.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: ^^^ |
| 14:04.34 | gholen | DocScrutinizer05: Installed it, but apparently there is a bit of problems, as it cannot find some of the links enbedded in Community SSU. The program that is supposed to do the stuf is complaing about 404s ans sutch. :( |
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| 14:22.32 | gholen | DocScrutinizer05: Think it looks better now. Some reboots later... |
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| 14:24.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | gholen: maybe your connectivity was unstable? |
| 14:27.24 | gholen | DocScrutinizer05 Might be that, might be some other stuff. Looks like I got it working now tough :) |
| 14:27.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | while the process of installing CSSU been tested and proven to work usually flawlessly, it's not designed to handle connectivity loss halfway in, and resuming the process isn't really a tested procedure |
| 14:29.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, when you got "about CSSU" in your settings menu, and the info shown there is in line with what you tried to install, you should be fine |
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| 17:31.57 | Munrek | hello guys, my n900's usb and his connectors on the PCB are completely broken, is there a clean and safe way to solder an external USB connector using test pads on the motherboard ? |
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| 17:32.39 | Belzebub | Hello |
| 17:34.28 | Munrek | I don't need Data, just a way to safely charge the device |
| 17:35.29 | Munrek | but if there is also a way to have data and to be able to charge the battery without a bridge between d+ and d- ... |
| 17:35.40 | joga | I don't think it's safe to use the test pads for that |
| 17:38.11 | ecc3g | charge battery outside of unit, or have to get a USB connection working once more... |
| 17:42.10 | Munrek | I will try to clean the PCB and to solder a new USB connector, but I don't believe in miracles :/ |
| 17:42.38 | joga | it's pretty tricky :( |
| 17:42.54 | joga | some hot air gun might help |
| 17:44.03 | Munrek | some of the ground pads are very ugly, and the USB little ones are not great too |
| 17:46.02 | Munrek | I am afraid that trying to solder on that mess would be useless |
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| 19:34.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix |
| 19:34.27 | infobot | it has been said that usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL2862BF3631A5C1AA&feature=player_detailpage&v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1861, or you will basically need two irons |
| 19:36.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Munrek: there are auxiliary GND areas you should use to solder down the USB receptacle decently. And there are alternative solder points to attach wires and run them to the D+/D-/ID pins |
| 19:36.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | a first-time broken N900 USB port is *always* fixable |
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| 19:42.16 | Snafu777 | A question if anyone is available |
| 19:42.21 | Snafu777 | I am running kp52 for the kernel |
| 19:42.26 | Snafu777 | i did not install kernel-power-settings |
| 19:42.41 | Snafu777 | Do I need to install kernel-power-settings to enable qcpufreq to work properly? |
| 19:42.56 | Sicelo | what do you need cpufreq for? |
| 19:43.02 | Snafu777 | A gui to adjust the cpu freq |
| 19:43.10 | Snafu777 | I like guis where possible =) |
| 19:43.22 | Snafu777 | Working on my homebrew custom build Sicelo =) |
| 19:44.01 | Sicelo | kernel-power-settings will help, probably. |
| 19:44.09 | Snafu777 | Currently modifying the filesystem using some mount --rbind techniques. Hopefully cherry stays dead and the phone doesn't try to send outbound text messages when I'm through |
| 19:44.19 | Snafu777 | Okay, i'll incorporate that into the 2nd build of it |
| 19:44.32 | Sicelo | i have never played with my cpu frequency, whether running maemo or any other alternative OS i have tried |
| 19:44.48 | Snafu777 | I don't use it, but since this is a pentest distro for the n900, it's nice to have |
| 19:44.57 | Snafu777 | For running metasploit for instance |
| 19:45.05 | Snafu777 | things like that, where a faster processor is in order |
| 19:45.38 | Snafu777 | I tried cssu last night, but sadly it broke a lot of my applications I had written |
| 19:45.44 | Snafu777 | So back to homebrew =/ |
| 19:45.51 | Snafu777 | As DocScrutinizer05 put it |
| 19:46.06 | Sicelo | even though it appears you run the risk to reduce your CPU's life by some large margin.. (hotly debated issue, but seems it is at least 95% true) |
| 19:46.23 | Snafu777 | I just hope the Soft Access Point scripts don't die out like they did with kp51 |
| 19:46.40 | Snafu777 | The Soft Access Point would just die in 60 seconds.... |
| 19:48.24 | Sicelo | did you check logs when that happened.. to find out what the real problem was? |
| 19:48.46 | Snafu777 | Nope, never did, not smart enough to truly trace it like that =/ |
| 19:49.03 | Snafu777 | I just know that kp46 was stable with injection mode and monitor mode and soft access pts |
| 19:49.31 | Snafu777 | kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb rather |
| 19:49.38 | Snafu777 | it think it's called kp46 |
| 19:49.40 | Snafu777 | I don't remember |
| 19:49.59 | Snafu777 | Alright, moment of truth......Powering down and inserting SIM card! |
| 19:50.39 | Snafu777 | Power on...... |
| 19:50.46 | Snafu777 | I really hope this works |
| 19:50.57 | Snafu777 | I can't move forward if the bastard is sending txt messages to egypt and romania ! |
| 19:51.55 | Snafu777 | That crap wracked up a $46 bill for me through t-mobile |
| 19:52.05 | Snafu777 | I thought I literally had been pwned by something |
| 19:52.19 | Snafu777 | And it tripped me out because of who I work for =) |
| 19:53.38 | Snafu777 | Looks good; moving to 2nd reboot |
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| 19:53.53 | Snafu777 | So what do you use your n900 for Sicelo ? |
| 19:54.17 | Sicelo | daily phone, and as my main 'pc' |
| 19:54.24 | Snafu777 | that's nuts |
| 19:54.33 | Snafu777 | I never could get used to it as a daily phone |
| 19:54.34 | Sicelo | what? |
| 19:54.35 | Snafu777 | I did try |
| 19:55.01 | Sicelo | doesn't give me any problem |
| 19:55.55 | Snafu777 | Alright, so the fix notmynokia works |
| 20:00.17 | Sicelo | so you are still using maemo? |
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| 20:03.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU doesn't "break apps" |
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| 20:04.15 | Snafu777 | Well, it broke mine DocScrutinizer05 =/ |
| 20:04.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like it was a new distro or something, it's just a repo with bugfix updates |
| 20:04.27 | Snafu777 | Don't want to argue back and forth about it, there's always a workarounsd |
| 20:04.33 | Snafu777 | Nods |
| 20:04.49 | Snafu777 | but whatever it incorporated into the filesystem were not compatible with my pentest scripts |
| 20:05.01 | Snafu777 | It was seamless to install cssu though |
| 20:05.03 | Snafu777 | I'll give it that |
| 20:05.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU doesn't change anything that *could* break apps |
| 20:05.14 | Snafu777 | Well. for instance |
| 20:05.20 | Snafu777 | When i tried to launch a SoftAP script |
| 20:05.23 | Snafu777 | it asked for a password |
| 20:05.30 | Snafu777 | I tried the root and user password with no dice |
| 20:05.48 | Sicelo | Snafu777: if you learn to understand your logs, you'll have gained a lot of 'expertise,' so to speak |
| 20:05.49 | Snafu777 | And yes Sicelo, I am using maemo |
| 20:05.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 20:06.10 | mlwane | Hey folks |
| 20:06.13 | Snafu777 | Don't have time for Logs Sicelo: my wife wanted to kick my ass for staying up till 4 in the morning messing with it |
| 20:06.14 | Snafu777 | Hi mlwane |
| 20:06.32 | mlwane | I have a quick question regarding OMP on the N900 |
| 20:06.43 | Snafu777 | Right now, I just want to upgrade to the newest kernel, install python2.7, get pyexpat to import properly, and run sqlmap on the phone |
| 20:07.15 | mlwane | Is it only me, or is the playlist kind of broken in OMP? |
| 20:07.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | which all sounds like it's about 100 times as prone to "break apps" than CSSU |
| 20:07.37 | mlwane | I can't seem to play anything from a playlist |
| 20:08.12 | Snafu777 | Is there a way I could grab the CSSU stuff to manually incorporate it DocScrutinizer05 ? I'm guessing it would be in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 20:08.19 | Snafu777 | But since I'd have to re-install cssu |
| 20:08.29 | Snafu777 | And I am truly trying to limit emmc flashes here |
| 20:08.35 | Snafu777 | It would be very helpful =) |
| 20:08.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's nonsense |
| 20:08.56 | Snafu777 | It uses debs to implement fixes, does it not? |
| 20:09.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're "flashing eMMC" with every single write() to /home/user |
| 20:09.30 | Snafu777 | Heh |
| 20:09.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | and eMMC should allow ~1000000TB of data getting written to it, minimum |
| 20:09.56 | Snafu777 | So since we're on the topic of eMMC and nobody believes me about it breaking stuff. Yesterday I bought a brand new 8GB sd card from best buy, because my other one started to fail |
| 20:10.09 | Snafu777 | I'm getting i/o errors on cp /media/mmc1/foo ~ |
| 20:10.18 | Sicelo | mlwane: what do you mean exactly.. steps to reproduce maybe.. |
| 20:10.24 | Snafu777 | How does that happen with a brand new sd card? |
| 20:10.34 | Snafu777 | Those are the types of "symptoms" i was speaking of last night |
| 20:10.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | sd cards are known to ship ~10% lemons |
| 20:10.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | DOA |
| 20:11.05 | Snafu777 | So you would return that sd card? |
| 20:11.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | definitely |
| 20:11.13 | mlwane | Create a playlist; go to the playlist and try to play anything from there |
| 20:11.18 | Snafu777 | Okay, I'll do that |
| 20:11.27 | Snafu777 | Any brand you can recommend DocScrutinizer05 ? |
| 20:11.31 | Sicelo | mlwane: then mine definitely works fine |
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| 20:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got sth better for you... |
| 20:12.18 | Snafu777 | ducks his head |
| 20:13.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 |
| 20:19.04 | Snafu777 | Any reason why the N900 mounts the SD card as read-only? |
| 20:19.28 | Snafu777 | /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir) |
| 20:19.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | here's more: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/pjd/papers/fast10-flash.pdf |
| 20:19.42 | Snafu777 | Nokia-N900:/media/mmc1/pwnimage/debs# touch foo |
| 20:19.42 | Snafu777 | touch: foo: Read-only file system |
| 20:20.01 | Snafu777 | should (rw not be read-write? |
| 20:20.42 | Snafu777 | rodir, i'm guessing is to blame? |
| 20:21.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | when a mounted-r/w device is claiming to be r/o, it usually encountered IO errors or fs-corruption |
| 20:21.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc who sets rodir |
| 20:21.58 | Snafu777 | I had a similar problem - backup wouldn't create backups on the external card and the camera crashed when saving to that location. |
| 20:21.59 | Snafu777 | For me the solution was to ssh into the phone, unmount the card and 'fsck -y' it before remounting. |
| 20:22.01 | Snafu777 | hmm |
| 20:22.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | then otoh I don't feel like musing about that on your homegrown FS |
| 20:22.24 | Snafu777 | Well, all the more reason the take it back, but still it seems there are threads that list others with the same issue =) |
| 20:22.35 | Snafu777 | fsck fixes, etc, not sure how fsck handles fat32, but i digress =) |
| 20:22.52 | Snafu777 | My homegrown FS doesn't touch the pre-existing mount structure |
| 20:23.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck on flash storage is mostly useless |
| 20:23.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | when the device actually encounters IO errors |
| 20:23.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | or bad blocks |
| 20:24.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | for fs corruption, you better reformat the flash storage device and restore your data |
| 20:26.22 | Snafu777 | Nokia-N900:~# mount -o rw /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1/ |
| 20:26.22 | Snafu777 | Nokia-N900:~# touch /media/mmc1/fo |
| 20:26.22 | Snafu777 | touch: /media/mmc1/fo: Read-only file system |
| 20:26.24 | Snafu777 | grr |
| 20:26.35 | Snafu777 | oh well |
| 20:26.49 | Snafu777 | I'm going to snap this card in half |
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| 20:31.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>While disk drive reliability is mostly unaffected by usage, bits in a flash chip will fail after a limited number of writes, typical quoted at 10^4 to 10^5 depending on the specific device.<< So worst case you should be able to do ~32GB * 10^4 / 512B(blocksize) write()s to your eMMC |
| 20:31.19 | mlwane | Sicelo: Removing it and reinstalling it sloved it! I wonder what was wrong! |
| 20:31.34 | Sicelo | cool :) |
| 20:31.52 | Snafu777 | Heh, well you are giving me confidence wrt the n900 sustainability |
| 20:32.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~32*10**9 * 10**4 / 512 |
| 20:32.16 | infobot | 625000000000 |
| 20:32.29 | Snafu777 | So what drives you to be so passionate about the N900 DocScrutinizer05 ? |
| 20:32.41 | Snafu777 | For me it's the portability of a pentest device |
| 20:32.44 | Snafu777 | You? |
| 20:32.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | linux |
| 20:32.53 | Snafu777 | cause you are darn sure patience |
| 20:32.56 | Snafu777 | patient rather |
| 20:33.08 | Snafu777 | moreso than "android"? |
| 20:33.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | android != linux |
| 20:33.22 | Snafu777 | Agree |
| 20:33.39 | Snafu777 | That why i said moreso than "android", as in you don't use a nexus5 or whatnot, but you use a linux based device |
| 20:33.41 | Snafu777 | i.e. |
| 20:33.42 | Snafu777 | n900 |
| 20:33.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tivoization |
| 20:33.49 | Snafu777 | maemo as it may be |
| 20:33.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | is what I hate |
| 20:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki tivoization |
| 20:34.23 | Snafu777 | You know what I hate about android? |
| 20:34.34 | Snafu777 | The fact that Google thinks I want all my info "syncable" by default |
| 20:34.44 | Snafu777 | To the "cloud" |
| 20:34.48 | Snafu777 | That crap drives me bonkers |
| 20:34.55 | Snafu777 | Nexus 5 is a wonderful piece of gear |
| 20:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's their business model |
| 20:35.11 | Snafu777 | But the built-in Sync this and sync that so somebody can see all your data, drives me flipping batshit |
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| 20:35.30 | Snafu777 | I like the option, but fml, ask me first |
| 20:35.33 | Snafu777 | Don't default me to it |
| 20:36.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | no business model in "opt-in" |
| 20:36.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | even Nokia did it, see cherry |
| 20:36.19 | Snafu777 | No privacy either =/ |
| 20:36.30 | Snafu777 | yeah, but the community fixed the cherry issue |
| 20:36.52 | Snafu777 | Google's sync is so built-in, unless you know how to write apks, you cannot fix it |
| 20:37.04 | Snafu777 | At least with my n900, i know what it's doing =) |
| 20:37.09 | Snafu777 | Even if it is a crap smartphone |
| 20:37.11 | Snafu777 | ducks |
| 20:37.34 | Snafu777 | You know what's trippy though? Hooking usb2rj45 up |
| 20:37.50 | Snafu777 | and powering a router with internet from my phone via rj45 |
| 20:38.02 | Snafu777 | That trips people out =) |
| 20:38.44 | Snafu777 | I just wish the n900 had a usb port and a power port |
| 20:38.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks to H-E-N you can do that, right |
| 20:38.49 | Snafu777 | Cuz it doesnt support PoE |
| 20:38.52 | Snafu777 | Yep |
| 20:39.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 20:39.26 | Snafu777 | Power over Ethernet |
| 20:39.30 | Sicelo | when i connected my N900 to a Cisco router's serial port, everyone was like wft! by the way, at that company, we were the only authorized dealer of iDevices, and almost everyone was using some version of iPhone |
| 20:39.39 | Snafu777 | As in the router wuld supply a 5v charge to my phone to charge it while hooked up |
| 20:39.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | how could a device without RJ45 jack support PoE? |
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| 20:39.52 | Sicelo | *authorized dealer in the country.. |
| 20:40.14 | Snafu777 | Well, I'm sure somebody smart could figure it out Doc =) |
| 20:40.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | use a hammer to mount the RJ45 to micro-USB? |
| 20:40.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | or what? |
| 20:40.43 | Snafu777 | Oh no |
| 20:40.59 | Snafu777 | I used a usb to usb connector |
| 20:41.06 | Snafu777 | then an usb to rj4f piece of gear |
| 20:41.16 | Snafu777 | And found some work online that was previously attempted |
| 20:41.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 20:41.23 | Snafu777 | via hen, p00f I had connectvity =) |
| 20:41.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~histmode-powered |
| 20:41.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~hostmode-powered |
| 20:41.31 | infobot | rumour has it, hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 |
| 20:42.27 | Snafu777 | Heh |
| 20:43.41 | Sicelo | Snafu777: DocScrutinizer05 is the 'author' of h-e-n |
| 20:43.48 | Snafu777 | Oh |
| 20:43.52 | Snafu777 | Heh |
| 20:45.40 | Snafu777 | As in: http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=1973&faq=42 |
| 20:45.41 | Snafu777 | Correct? |
| 20:46.37 | Sicelo | yes,. but not the GUI part (only).. |
| 20:46.55 | Sicelo | the actual hw/kernel stuff involved |
| 20:46.57 | Snafu777 | gotcha |
| 20:47.01 | Snafu777 | Very cool |
| 20:47.11 | Snafu777 | Were you aware people were using it for rj-45 capabilities Doc? |
| 20:47.20 | Sicelo | lol |
| 20:47.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 20:48.02 | Sicelo | this has been around since years ago Snafu777. :p it's even been used in labs to do some health-related stuff.. forgot what it was |
| 20:48.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg |
| 20:48.13 | infobot | joerg is, like, a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 20:48.21 | Snafu777 | Heh, well maybe i will revitalize it |
| 20:48.30 | Snafu777 | I found that I could only get it working one time |
| 20:48.34 | Snafu777 | and after a reboot, no more |
| 20:48.35 | Snafu777 | =( |
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| 20:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: EEG - cool shit |
| 20:49.12 | Snafu777 | Hehe |
| 20:49.27 | Snafu777 | EEG -- I was going to connect my homebrew EEg machine to my n900 a while back |
| 20:49.56 | Snafu777 | mind-flex toy + arduino = homebrew eeg |
| 20:50.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves and prints out the official papers of Neo900 UG, to head out to next pub and celebrate that event |
| 20:51.19 | Snafu777 | You are part of the Neo900 thing Doc? |
| 20:51.28 | Snafu777 | Heh |
| 20:51.42 | Snafu777 | I had no clue you were like a high-up dude in the n900 world =) |
| 20:53.16 | Snafu777 | I'll have to throw some stuff at you later on =) |
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| 21:21.22 | Snafu777 | What does someone on here recommend for a text based ftp client on the N900? |
| 21:23.16 | Snafu777 | ~ftp |
| 21:23.16 | infobot | $1: ftp is File Transfer Protocol. RFC-[too-lazy-to-look-FIXME]. Also, <greycat> FTP MUST DIE. |
| 21:23.27 | Snafu777 | ~ftp-client |
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| 21:29.05 | Munrek | DocScrutinizer05: I have ordered some usb sockets to try the replacement, but I will be difficult I think ... here is the awful PCB : https://cloud.galif.eu/public.php?service=files&t=1a5d33ff05677318c4a076ebfefba23f |
| 21:29.17 | Munrek | it will* |
| 21:31.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | this looks like somebody already tortured it with soldering iron |
| 21:32.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even worse: glue |
| 21:32.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, the only important areas - the green ones left and right of USB receptacle - are intact |
| 21:33.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and actually all pads look like there's still even solder on them |
| 21:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | except maybe the two huge square centered mech support pads |
| 21:34.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | first of all: CLEAN that thing, whatever it takes. Desolder wick comes in handy |
| 21:35.03 | Munrek | should I try to clean them with desoldering braid ? |
| 21:35.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno about that yellowish gue |
| 21:35.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, desoldering braid |
| 21:36.08 | Munrek | I really doubt this PCB was unused when I bought the N900 from ebay |
| 21:36.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | please see |
| 21:36.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix |
| 21:36.21 | infobot | from memory, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL2862BF3631A5C1AA&feature=player_detailpage&v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1861, or you will basically need two irons |
| 21:36.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | and all the nice links to even nicer instructions and photos in there |
| 21:38.24 | Munrek | actually the image is pretty bad, the colour of the two squares in the middle is not black but more like rust, is it normal ? |
| 21:39.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=547991&postcount=20 |
| 21:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | "like rust" is ripped off pad usually |
| 21:40.30 | Munrek | uh bad then |
| 21:44.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, those two pads are "irrelevant" |
| 21:45.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | they are just GND/mech-support |
| 21:45.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=547991&postcount=20 |
| 21:45.28 | Munrek | is there a risk to damage other pins while cleaning using desoldering braid ? |
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| 21:49.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | not when you're careful |
| 21:50.01 | Munrek | could'nt remove anything from the pins, there is nothing left to clean, again the image is pretty bad |
| 21:50.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | but your bigger problem might be that glue-gue |
| 21:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 attachment for a proper fix when pads are *really* damaged completely |
| 21:52.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | It's flawed since it doesn't handle ID pin properly, ID pin shouldn't get shorted to GND, neither on receptacle side nor on system side |
| 21:52.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise it's pretty good |
| 21:53.04 | Munrek | don't have the skills nor proper equipment for such an operation |
| 21:54.07 | Munrek | do you think it's safe to use alcohol / antiadhesive solvant to clean that mess ? |
| 21:56.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
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| 22:01.11 | Munrek | this is much better |
| 22:02.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 22:02.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it might've been flux from crappy solder |
| 22:03.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should use flux, definitely. But for sure no usual flux, but only noclean flux explicitly meant "for SMT" |
| 22:04.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | without such flux, your desoldering braid won't work nicely |
| 22:05.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL2862BF3631A5C1AA&feature=player_detailpage&v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1861 |
| 22:06.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL2862BF3631A5C1AA&feature=player_detailpage&v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1861 |
| 22:06.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops |
| 22:06.54 | Munrek | http://galif.eu/screen/2014-03-22_23:05:53.jpg |
| 22:08.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Sb21qbpEQ !!! and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY&list=PL2862BF3631A5C1AA |
| 22:10.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Munrek: you might be lucky that the upper three electric pads (D+/-, Vbus) might still work |
| 22:11.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ground pad is definitely dead, but also pretty redundant |
| 22:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ID pin (2nd from bottom) is hard to tell from photo |
| 22:13.13 | Munrek | in fact, the photo makes the situation worse than it is, I am pretty sure they are all intact |
| 22:13.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | Munrek: first approach see the two testpoints of D+/- under the battery. Test with a proper electronic DVM if they are connected to the USB pads |
| 22:13.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, then fine :-) |
| 22:16.00 | Munrek | do I need to solder the five small pins, or the contact with the usb socket will be enough ? |
| 22:17.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? |
| 22:17.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to connect all 5 electric pins of USB component to their pads or alternative solder points |
| 22:18.20 | Snafu777 | DocScrutinizer05: What do you recommend for ftp via cmd line with the n900? |
| 22:18.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | proper soldering is mandatory |
| 22:18.35 | Snafu777 | I'm compiling inetutils from GNU, but i figure maybe something already exists |
| 22:18.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Snafu777: ssh |
| 22:18.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 22:18.43 | Snafu777 | yes, but i want an ftp client |
| 22:18.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 22:18.54 | Snafu777 | cool |
| 22:18.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | never needed that |
| 22:19.10 | Snafu777 | I shall release an inetutils.deb then |
| 22:19.11 | Snafu777 | =) |
| 22:19.14 | Snafu777 | Make myself useful |
| 22:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 22:20.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Munrek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=J5Sb21qbpEQ#t=597 - watch out for "SMT" |
| 22:20.25 | Snafu777 | seeing as how i can't exactly ssh to an ftp server, i think there is a need |
| 22:21.15 | Snafu777 | and ncftp sucks |
| 22:21.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Snafu777: not my problem |
| 22:21.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | use packet interface to search |
| 22:21.36 | Snafu777 | Not a problem, this is where hacking comes into play DocScrutinizer05 =) |
| 22:21.49 | Snafu777 | Find a file, configure it for the n900 |
| 22:21.51 | Snafu777 | dpkg-deb it |
| 22:21.52 | Snafu777 | boom |
| 22:22.15 | Munrek | DocScrutinizer05: thanks, I will train myself before trying the operation |
| 22:22.22 | Munrek | this is going to be hardcore I guess. |
| 22:22.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | good plan |
| 22:22.24 | Snafu777 | hardest part is making sure i grab the associated libraries and whatnot |
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| 22:22.54 | Maxdamantus | I've always found gftp(-text) suitable |
| 22:23.05 | Snafu777 | didn't know u could do that |
| 22:23.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 22:23.23 | infobot | pkg is, like, http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 22:23.25 | Maxdamantus | though I don't use FTP much. |
| 22:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems there are at least 7 different ftp related things available |
| 22:24.36 | Snafu777 | None of them are ftp-clients |
| 22:24.38 | Snafu777 | for the commandline |
| 22:24.45 | nox- | lftp? |
| 22:25.09 | Snafu777 | lftp? don't see it |
| 22:25.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Snafu777: uhuh |
| 22:25.23 | Maxdamantus | gftp-text - colored FTP client using GLib |
| 22:25.43 | nox- | yeah it may not be ported yet :/ |
| 22:25.49 | Maxdamantus | I see it. |
| 22:25.57 | Maxdamantus | wait, I'm in Debian, nvm |
| 22:25.58 | Snafu777 | Heh, so do I now |
| 22:26.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/lftp/ |
| 22:26.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/gftp-text/ |
| 22:26.52 | Snafu777 | Oh well, just goes to show how much I miss stuff even though I look closely for it =/ |
| 22:26.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/leechcraft-lcftp/ |
| 22:27.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | enoguh piecemeal? |
| 22:27.19 | Snafu777 | sighs |
| 22:27.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/n900ftp/ |
| 22:27.53 | Snafu777 | Alright, I've rebuilt it |
| 22:27.57 | Snafu777 | Franken900 is alive! |
| 22:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/busybox-power/ |
| 22:28.31 | Snafu777 | And son of a bitch |
| 22:28.34 | Snafu777 | I install my debs |
| 22:28.40 | Snafu777 | and fricking Cherry is an issue still |
| 22:28.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | tpget ftpput |
| 22:28.49 | Snafu777 | what the heck |
| 22:29.03 | Snafu777 | Are there packages which would break notmynokia? |
| 22:29.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I feel like getting impatient with this |
| 22:30.49 | Snafu777 | Heh: http://pastebin.com/R75qCzUn |
| 22:31.02 | Snafu777 | I don't get it. Everything was good till those .debs were dpkg -i'd |
| 22:31.14 | Snafu777 | As soon as a reboot, I get the message showing me a text tried to go through |
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| 22:37.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~xyz |
| 22:38.21 | Snafu777 | ~xy |
| 22:38.22 | infobot | well, xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. |
| 22:38.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf @ http://pastebin.com/R75qCzUn |
| 22:38.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you seem to suffer an xyz problem |
| 22:38.55 | Snafu777 | It's a list of debs i dpkg -i'd after i upgraded the system and did some bind mounting and what not |
| 22:39.12 | Snafu777 | I just want the n900 to work how it should DocScrutinizer05 =/ |
| 22:39.17 | Snafu777 | Now I can't seem to stop cherry |
| 22:39.21 | Snafu777 | not even with apt-get purge cherry |
| 22:39.33 | Snafu777 | the damn phone still sends out 2 text messages after bootup |
| 22:39.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, then dpkg -i $RANDOM for sure is the *right* thing to do |
| 22:40.02 | Snafu777 | You sure I shouldn't rm -rf /? |
| 22:40.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ciao |
| 22:40.09 | Snafu777 | I figure that would probably solve it better you know |
| 22:40.46 | Snafu777 | waiting for the inevitable message from t-mobile |
| 22:40.55 | Snafu777 | and there it is |
| 22:40.57 | Snafu777 | ! |
| 22:41.55 | Snafu777 | So, if apt-get purge cherry removes cherry, how/why would the n900 still be sending out text messages |
| 22:42.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 22:42.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | RTFwiki! |
| 22:43.18 | bencoh | :) |
| 22:44.54 | Snafu777 | I did read the wiki DocScrutinizer05. I'm using PR1.3 if that matters. |
| 22:45.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | once a SMS is in spool-buffer, you don't need cherry to make that SMS get sent out eventually. I dunno what makes you think you need to do your own partitioning/bindmounts. I dunno why you think installing arbitrary .deb built for another platform might ever work. I hafe no friggin clue where from you got that dang http://pastebin.com/R75qCzUn, and I for sure have no idea what those are doing, though sendsms.deb sounds fishy |
| 22:46.08 | Snafu777 | sendsms.deb allows me to send sms messages from the commandline |
| 22:46.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~phonecontrol |
| 22:46.34 | infobot | it has been said that phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
| 22:46.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | cya |
| 22:47.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm out. your approach is too advanced for my humble knowledge, so I can't help on your enterprise to turn N900 into a dunnowhat, ubuntu PC or whatever |
| 22:48.15 | bencoh | (hmm, I wonder why cellnet-info has so much deps compared to just reading /com/nokia/phone/net :) |
| 22:48.22 | Snafu777 | Thanks for trying DocScrutinizer05 =( |
| 22:52.30 | Snafu777 | Alright. Time to take a break. I'm going to reflash --again...... I'll avoid a custom bindmount setup. I guess i'll go down the line trying to install stuff |
| 22:53.00 | Snafu777 | I love the n900, but this sms cherry thing is piss poor on the design and i'd love to smack the shit out of the person responsible for coming up with the idea |
| 22:54.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I meanwhile think you might have a rogue software installed, with one of your random .deb |
| 22:55.09 | Snafu777 | I dunno |
| 22:55.18 | Snafu777 | If i did apt-get purge cherry |
| 22:55.29 | Snafu777 | It shouldnt send if i removed all things .txt in /var/sms/spool, correct? |
| 22:55.36 | Snafu777 | It's a definite possibility DocScrutinizer05 |
| 22:55.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I'm out, I get bored listening to speculations |
| 22:57.31 | Snafu777 | Alright, testing out the SoftAp before the re-wipe |
| 22:57.38 | Snafu777 | Hopefully she hold's steady for a minute + |
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| 23:03.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL! >>speedpatch_4.0_armel.deb<< |
| 23:07.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-03-22 07:09:03] <DocScrutinizer05> you probably shouldn't: apt-get (dist-)upgrade|autoremove, edit apt sources files (use HAM catalogs mgmt for that), keep maemo-extras-devel (or -testing) enabled; use fapman |
| 23:07.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-03-22 07:09:19] <DocScrutinizer05> and |
| 23:07.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-03-22 07:09:25] <DocScrutinizer05> ~crappatch |
| 23:07.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-03-22 07:09:27] <infobot> somebody said speedpatch was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] |
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