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| 17:41.00 | Snafu777 | Is anyone aware of any malware for the n900 resulting in the phone sending international text messages when powered on with an active sim card in? |
| 17:41.28 | Snafu777 | Strangest thing I've ever seen, and only noticed it because of the bill |
| 17:41.43 | Snafu777 | Evidently T-Mobile doesn't block international text messages by default |
| 17:42.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cherry |
| 17:43.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 17:43.15 | Snafu777 | Yeah it's weird DocScrutinizer05 |
| 17:43.20 | Snafu777 | You ever heard of anything like this? |
| 17:43.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's cherry |
| 17:43.26 | Snafu777 | Oh |
| 17:43.29 | Snafu777 | cherry is an app |
| 17:43.30 | Snafu777 | Wtf |
| 17:44.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 17:44.05 | infobot | jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 17:44.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | find: "cherry" |
| 17:45.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | # kill that cherry PITA, before it sends SMS -- STILL ACTUAL! |
| 17:45.06 | Snafu777 | Heh |
| 17:45.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | # see http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription |
| 17:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | touch /home/user/.cherry_state |
| 17:45.09 | Snafu777 | I see that |
| 17:45.25 | Snafu777 | Well at least it ain't the damn NSA |
| 17:45.48 | Snafu777 | I was debating on wiping and starting over from scratch |
| 17:46.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | which would give you another SMS ;-P |
| 17:46.30 | Snafu777 | I really thought I might have been targeted by someone |
| 17:46.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you been, by NOKIA XP |
| 17:47.24 | Snafu777 | hehe |
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| 17:49.36 | Snafu777 | What about just removing /usr/bin/cherry |
| 17:50.05 | Snafu777 | heh, no /usr/bin/cherry |
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| 18:00.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/dbb82de0e3 |
| 18:00.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops he left |
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| 18:02.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | also: cat /etc/X11/34cherry |
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| 18:05.48 | Snafu777 | So DocScrutinizer05: It didn't work |
| 18:05.52 | Snafu777 | I tried as root and as user |
| 18:06.02 | Snafu777 | it still is sending out two text messages with each poweron |
| 18:06.31 | Snafu777 | Any ideas? |
| 18:07.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Snafu777: check http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription |
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| 18:08.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a "tutorial" how to check for SMS pending to get sent, you should see them at least when booting without your SIM |
| 18:08.42 | Snafu777 | cool |
| 18:08.56 | Snafu777 | so touch /home/user/.cherry_state doesn't work anymore |
| 18:08.57 | Snafu777 | ? |
| 18:09.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno, I think it should still work |
| 18:09.15 | Snafu777 | As well, I have pr1.3 |
| 18:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | see http://privatepaste.com/dbb82de0e3 from my PR1.3 + CSSU system |
| 18:10.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it's been me who did a rename of /usr/bin/cherry.donotrun |
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| 18:11.50 | Snafu777 | And see, I chopped up pymaemo because I hate optification |
| 18:19.39 | Snafu777 | Hmm, DocScrutinizer05: How do I stop this nonsense? |
| 18:19.45 | Snafu777 | I tried .cherry_state to no avail |
| 18:19.56 | Snafu777 | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 18:20.01 | Snafu777 | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 18:20.06 | Snafu777 | are the two files I flashed with |
| 18:20.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I don't know your system |
| 18:20.21 | Snafu777 | I don't even have cherry installed |
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| 18:20.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription |
| 18:20.51 | Snafu777 | I read it |
| 18:20.54 | Snafu777 | top to bottom |
| 18:20.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | has all the info I could share to you |
| 18:21.02 | Snafu777 | but the directions still do not stop the outgoing text |
| 18:21.05 | Snafu777 | Fair enough |
| 18:21.18 | Snafu777 | Gunna try to install cherry and see what happens |
| 18:21.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | that doesn't sound like it will stop any SMS already pending to get sent |
| 18:22.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | you probably also should read the tmo thread |
| 18:24.22 | Snafu777 | tmo thread? |
| 18:24.46 | Snafu777 | i killed regs_out.txt |
| 18:24.48 | Snafu777 | going to reboot |
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| 18:38.14 | Snafu777 | So DocScrutinizer05: Do you have packet injection capability with your N900? |
| 18:38.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | not installed |
| 18:38.29 | Snafu777 | I've got a very chopped up way that I did my install, but it sounds like yours doesn't have the sms problem mine does |
| 18:38.39 | Snafu777 | What do you actually use your n900 for? |
| 18:38.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | daily phone and PDA |
| 18:39.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and IRC |
| 18:39.12 | Snafu777 | You actually use the damn thing as a phone? |
| 18:39.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 18:39.36 | Snafu777 | I couldn't get use to it. Too brickish, I mean don't get me wrong, I love it |
| 18:39.43 | Snafu777 | But, I don't think it's a very good smart phone |
| 18:39.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 18:40.05 | Snafu777 | And your setup on your phone, when u install stuff, it doesn't try to fill the nand? |
| 18:40.14 | Snafu777 | Cuz that's why I started binding mounts and such |
| 18:40.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 18:40.25 | Snafu777 | that way apt-get install doesn't fill / |
| 18:40.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what optification is for |
| 18:40.56 | Snafu777 | but it doesnt work worth a damn |
| 18:41.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# df -h / |
| 18:41.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Dateisystem Size Used Avail Use% EingehÃĪngt auf |
| 18:41.07 | hxka | uses n900 for 4 years as a phone |
| 18:41.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ubi0:rootfs 228M 172M 53M 77% / |
| 18:41.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# |
| 18:41.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Display all 1255 possibilities? (y or n) |
| 18:41.36 | Snafu777 | http://pastebin.com/03p0vFtC |
| 18:41.37 | hxka | It's actually smaller than Toshiba G900 I had before |
| 18:41.58 | Snafu777 | I did some remounting and crazy stuff, and it seems to work |
| 18:42.21 | hxka | why oh why |
| 18:42.39 | Snafu777 | Because I would fill up / even with optification |
| 18:42.49 | hxka | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.06 | hxka | No you won't |
| 18:43.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure you can try to come up with your own very indiviual homegrown way to manage the device. But I prefer to keep as close to the commonly used standard way as possible, it has the best support obviously |
| 18:43.42 | Snafu777 | Okay, so what do you think of this hxka? |
| 18:43.43 | Snafu777 | http://pastebin.com/h5bnkgkq |
| 18:43.46 | Snafu777 | that's step 1 |
| 18:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk |
| 18:44.14 | Snafu777 | http://pastebin.com/KevKP3iX |
| 18:44.18 | Snafu777 | that's step 2 |
| 18:45.00 | Snafu777 | http://pastebin.com/LnPjqcxx step 3 |
| 18:45.34 | Snafu777 | Step 4: http://pastebin.com/LqrFJQzf |
| 18:46.40 | Snafu777 | Nokia-N900:~# df -h / Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on rootfs 227.9M 149.5M 74.2M 67% / |
| 18:46.43 | Snafu777 | bleh |
| 18:46.54 | Snafu777 | I'm guessing you have a ton of stuff installed too Doc? |
| 18:48.28 | Snafu777 | So, hxka: If I wanted to completly redo my N900 setup from scratch, what apt-get stuff would you recommend, I'm wanting to be able to install freely without worry of overfilling /, and to have the capability for packet injection |
| 18:52.48 | hxka | You don't need ahything to do to not worry about overfilling / |
| 18:53.04 | Snafu777 | yeah, but you see, sometimes I grab random .debs not from maemo |
| 18:53.15 | Snafu777 | So long as they work, i use em =) |
| 18:53.27 | Snafu777 | and if they aren't built with optification in mind, they fill up / |
| 18:53.39 | Snafu777 | Yes, I could repackage em and what not, but what a pain |
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| 18:56.10 | Snafu777 | So do you use packet injection hxka? |
| 18:56.24 | Snafu777 | That's the biggest thing with this phone is that I need to always have the capability to do packet injection |
| 18:56.41 | Snafu777 | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10power46-wl1 #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 19 20:51:27 CET 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux |
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| 19:07.34 | Snafu777 | Another issue is that Pali, and other people, don't like the fact that multiboot flashes a kernel every time you boot (or everytime you select a new kernel), because the number of writes to the raw NAND partition containing the kernel is limited. |
| 19:07.42 | Snafu777 | there are limited writes to the NAND? |
| 19:07.44 | Snafu777 | ?? |
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| 19:11.31 | Sicelo | Snafu777: i remember a user here who ended up having to undertake the big project of moving all of maemo to SD card because his eMMC was tired |
| 19:12.02 | Snafu777 | See, everytime I want to start from scratch I always flash my n900 |
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| 19:13.06 | Sicelo | so? |
| 19:13.32 | Snafu777 | Doesn't that mean it has a limited number of "lives"? |
| 19:14.18 | Sicelo | your experience does not prove or disprove anything at all |
| 19:14.26 | Snafu777 | Heh |
| 19:20.38 | ashley | for those of you interested in wiki matters, you might want to take a look at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ashley/Wiki_upgrade_plan_Q2_2014 and also feel free to let me know what features should be added to the wiki so I can see if we can add 'em during the big upgrade (in May/June, probably) |
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| 19:43.06 | Sicelo | ashley: on a self-help note.. i see on that page, there is mention that links with a + sign can't be opened directly. is there a 'workaround' way to open them in the meantime? |
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| 20:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | re wiki: that messing around with *username* auto-uppercase and generally changing username in any way, is so completely a idea born from crack abuse. nothing ever shall change user nick's spelling since it's part of credentials. If you *really* need to do you could check for certain conditions and inform user about those restrictions, like "no initial numeric chars" or "at least 5 chars" or "no special chars lile @, #, &, ..." or even " |
| 20:10.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | first char needs to be UPPERCASE" |
| 20:11.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | doing it implicitly though is *begging* for trouble |
| 20:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | now best you could do after it's already messed up: to-lowercase( username ) *everywhere*, and change all URLs in wiki accordingly |
| 20:14.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 20:14.34 | infobot | [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 20:15.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB that http://wiki.maemo.org/User:joerg_rw/tools is considered a different page |
| 20:16.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously our wiki already has a rewrite rule to auto-capitalize the usernick part of any such URL |
| 20:18.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | also compare http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=35572 which is (correctly) showing my user nick in lowercase |
| 20:22.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | like does http://maemo.org/profile/view/joerg_rw/ |
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| 20:23.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | and https://garage.maemo.org/account/login.php?return_to=%2Fusers%2Fjoerg_rw%2F |
| 20:23.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka https://garage.maemo.org/users/joerg_rw/ |
| 20:26.46 | ashley | MediaWiki doesn't have built-in support for lowercase user names (IIRC it's a historical thing); GForgeAuthentication validates the supplied username + password combo against garage users table and if it matches (user exists), then a new wiki user account is created, so I see no issue with forcing the initial letter to be uppercase at the point where MW user account gets created |
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| 20:27.13 | ashley | Sicelo: there's no user-friendly workaround, but you can use [[Special:Export]] to gain access to the raw, ugly underlying wikitext of a page; it's the only way as of now :-( |
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| 20:30.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ashley: what would that "support" be? It seems it's rather the lack of support for enforcing upper case initial letter in user nicks |
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| 20:37.05 | ashley | MW assumes that -- regardless of the values of $wgCapitalLinks and/or $wgCapitalLinkOverrides configuration global variables -- pages in certain namespace (namely, Special:, User: and MediaWiki:) *always* start with an initial capital letter; while it's possible to hack the software to allow things like lowercase usernames, it's unsupported and as witnessed by the wiki's current state, might... |
| 20:37.07 | ashley | ...lead to strange things (say, try viewing a list of my contributions -- [[Special:Contributions/Ashley]] would work on a normal instance but it returns a "no contributions" message on wiki.maemo.org, despite that I've made some edits to the wiki) |
| 20:41.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, seems that's caused by some update that introduced that autocapitalization while meybe formerly it's not been there, and so now our wiki karma is broken, since all contributions-lists are bogus |
| 20:46.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously caused by that forced uppercase initials in user nicks in wiki, that of course need *additional* handling to enforce them everywhere, and seems that's not consistently done *everywhere* in mediawiki, since otherwise it would not do a SELECT ... WHERE (nick=$searchterm); but rather a SELECT ... WHERE (upper(nick)=upper($searchterm)); |
| 20:47.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | which would result in mediawiki contributions-lists also showing the contributions done when user got not compulsory uppercased |
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| 20:48.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course it would introduce other inconsistencies, but only when there are two users with nicks that only differ in upper/lower-case of their writing |
| 20:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | which I'd simply define as a forbidden situation |
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| 20:51.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally any system shouldn't auto-edit/modify user nicks, and for sure it MUST act case-agnostic for *all* operations that compare nicks or use nicks for input to any other function (like creating URLs) |
| 20:52.02 | Sicelo | ashley: please show me this ugly way :)... i'm actually interested in reading the contents of that page you linked to (Wifi PEAP/MSCHAPv2) |
| 20:52.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW: when mediawiki thinks it can't help but auto-capitalize the user nick, then it damn sure shall do that *everywhere*, to every occurence of a user nick |
| 20:53.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | --> WHERE (upper(nick)=upper($searchterm)) ; case-agnostic! |
| 21:00.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems mediawiki been originally developed by a windows socialized developer. ;-P On FAT you don't distinguish between upper- and lowercase for filenames. (btw I seem to remember we seen such crap even for cameraui, where a folder like DCIM got created and then they tried to store to dcim/$photoname ) |
| 21:01.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | which caused camera to break when your filesystem on uSD isn't that DOS crap |
| 21:02.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | memory is cloudy, but there must've been an issue like that |
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| 21:03.33 | ashley | Sicelo: 1) go to http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Export 2) paste "PEAP+MSCHAPv2 WiFi authentication setup" into the textarea 3) press button 4) ??? 5) PROFIT! |
| 21:04.39 | Sicelo | thanx :) let me try |
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| 21:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how anybody managed to create such page - not even http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=PEAP+MSCHAPv2%20WiFi%20authentication%20setup&action=edit works :-P |
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| 21:09.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also can't come up with an idea how to rename that page, or otherwise edit it |
| 21:10.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | edit as in "delete", "lock", whatever |
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| 21:21.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ashley: btw it seems http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Contributions is completely broken, it neither shows old nor new, neither uppercase nor lowercase contributions, right? |
| 21:27.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=newbie&target=&namespace=&year=&month=-1 shows contributions of LOWERcase users only o.O |
| 21:28.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and clicking on e.g. http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=User:chainsawbike&action=edit&redlink=1 of course kicks me to "Editing User:Chainsawbike" (note UPPERcase nick) |
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| 21:30.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=Joerg+rw&to=Joerg+rx&namespace=2 works - FWIW |
| 21:32.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=joerg+rw&to=joerg+rx&namespace= works too, auto-capitalizing my nick |
| 21:32.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops, truncated a "2" |
| 21:34.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem pretty obviously is in mediawiki, it doesn't consistently auto-capitalize the usernames everywhere. Sometimes it does, sometimes not. Thus it creates its own inconsistencies |
| 21:37.08 | ashley | MW assumes that all usernames start with an initial capital letter, because that's what normally happens -- it's not possible to have lowercase entries "pop up" in the database...except when you've hacked the core software poorly, which is the case with maemo.org's wiki |
| 21:39.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, obviously a few years ago it been hacked better that it's now, since it evidently worked back when |
| 21:39.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I know whom to blame, for that half-arsed update probably done during consolidation/migration#1 |
| 21:40.47 | ashley | could be...but given that wiki.maemo.org is not -- thankfully ;) -- Wikipedia or other equally popular site, I think we'll all be better off with a stock MW install and no crazy patches like these: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/maemo2midgard/mediawiki/includes/?view=log until MW properly supports lowercase usernames (there's a bug open about that, lemme track it down...) |
| 21:43.47 | ashley | this appears to be the most recent ticket about lowercase user names: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62396 |
| 21:43.48 | povbot | 04Bug 62396: was not found. |
| 21:44.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ashley: well, whatever makes it work, but it seems it worked better with those crazy patches (the complete set of them) than without. Which btw is exactly same situation as in midgard |
| 21:45.26 | ashley | I try not to touch midgard even with a ten-feet pole |
| 21:45.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 21:46.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | but mediawiki has a bug in all existing versions, in that it doesn't do proper nickname case-normalizing everywhere |
| 21:47.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you normalize a date, you need to normalize it *everywhere* and not "rely on" something as given |
| 21:49.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | given that it needs code to convert my original nick "joerg_rw" into the "Joerg_rw" used in wiki, I think it can't be too hard to simply comment out that code everywhere, rather than add it where it's missing |
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| 21:53.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | this wouldn't make wiki case-agnostic, but at least it wouldn't mess with case of nicks anymore, so you could finally use nicks as they are defined elsewhere in maemo, and the only thing to "fix" would be all data that got created with an auto-capitalized nick as reference - all that needs to get converted back to non-capitalized, or you add that normalization at a few locations where it's needed, like "WHERE (upper(nick)=upper( |
| 21:53.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | $searchterm))" |
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| 22:02.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/maemo2midgard/mediawiki/includes/?view=log sounds like it would fix exactly all the problems we're facing in wiki right now |
| 22:03.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | except the problem of "corrupted" data that got introduced to database due to no proper handling of nicknames |
| 22:18.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62396 mentions *all* the points I pulled outa my a.... before, even the conflicts situation that probably gets also blocked by garage. Yet the bug is a mere 2 weeks old, and I have little hopes it will get solved in upstream in considerable timespan |
| 22:18.21 | povbot | 04Bug 62396: was not found. |
| 22:19.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | incredible how mediawiki got away with this for years and nobody starting to go crazy about it |
| 22:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's so blatantly obviously broken defective design |
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| 22:49.30 | BCMM | anybody find that POI search no longer works in Modrana? |
| 22:54.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | we had same report a few days ago in here - if that not been you |
| 22:55.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, [2014-03-12 16:22:08] <BCMM_> is online POI search broken in Modrana, or is it just me? |
| 22:56.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | you probably should talk to modrana developer, which I know is hanging around here in this channel, though I forgot who is it |
| 22:58.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | martink? |
| 22:59.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | right, Martin Kolman |
| 22:59.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen martink |
| 22:59.12 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i haven't seen 'martink' |
| 23:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh |
| 23:01.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen m4rtink |
| 23:01.40 | infobot | m4rtink <~M4rtinK@ip-78-102-146-9.net.upcbroadband.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 8d 1h 33m 26s ago, saying: 'Gear_: http://modrana.org/trac/wiki/SQLiteTilesImportPerlScriptEN'. |
| 23:02.22 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: yeah sorry, was outside actually looking for somewhere then |
| 23:02.36 | BCMM | and rapidly realised i would run out of battery power if i stayed on IRC :) |
| 23:03.20 | BCMM | i should test it again actually, just in case it was an actual server problem |
| 23:03.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/profile/view/martink/ |
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| 23:06.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen dneary |
| 23:06.18 | infobot | dneary <~dneary@Maemo/community/docmaster/dneary> was last seen on IRC in channel #gsoc, 765d 10h 32m 52s ago, saying: 'Nightrose, I'll ping you again tomorrow :)'. |
| 23:06.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 23:07.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-03-22 00:05:59] [Notice] -NickServ- Last addr : ~dneary@Maemo/community/docmaster/dneary |
| 23:07.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-03-22 00:05:59] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen : Mar 21 14:50:04 2014 (8 hours, 15 minutes, 55 seconds ago) |
| 23:08.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ashley: maybe it would be worth it to ping dneary about those patches he did in https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/maemo2midgard/mediawiki/includes/?view=log |
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