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08:35.44*** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | Please see http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet
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09:37.30zGrrmoin :)
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12:01.08trxwhere can i find fremantle images?
12:01.26trxtablets-dev is down, as is skeiron.org
12:01.37trxand  http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/ doesn't exist
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12:06.14trxfound it
12:06.38DocScrutinizer05~tell trx about combined
12:06.48DocScrutinizer05~tell trx about emmc
12:06.55DocScrutinizer05~tell trx about flasher
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12:07.03trxthanks doc!
12:07.06DocScrutinizer05yw
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12:07.27silviofDocScrutinizer05: we should put this three links in the subject line of this #
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12:10.14DocScrutinizer05sorry weekly news, you felt like zombie state anyway, lately
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12:11.26silviofahh - a way better ^^
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12:33.40silviofnow we can say - "hey look at subjectline" and have to discuss what the ~ means :-P
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14:54.30WizardNumberNexthello, most annoying thing in getting vanila kernel to work on N900 is lack of any kind of log. All I know is N900 is switching off after 3-30 seconds - depends on kernel. I even don't know, if kernel is dying or watchdog is playing with or maybe maemo doesn't like my kernel
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15:05.56SiceloWizardNumberNext: you can build a serial adapter
15:06.14WizardNumberNextSicelo, tell me more
15:06.14DocScrutinizer05WizardNumberNext: well, for that you need either serial console, or mtdoops
15:06.26Sicelohttp://elektranox.org/n900/adapter/index.html
15:06.37WizardNumberNextmtdoops doesn't give me anything at the moment
15:06.54Sicelothat's what sre is using for the modem work he's doing
15:07.01WizardNumberNextonly logs are from kp52
15:07.43DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports
15:08.36DocScrutinizer05well, I guess it's watchdog
15:09.40WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05, debug port? does it really have USB? My 1st N900 have broken USB and I do not have good enough tools to solder new one there
15:10.07DocScrutinizer05uh? how's debugport related to USB?
15:10.50WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05, I don't know - kernel doesn't initialiaze any watchdogs, at least chouldn't as they are build as modules
15:10.51Siceloyou didn't open the link I gave you? even gives you actual useable component numbers, etc
15:11.15WizardNumberNextSicelo, I am on reading it
15:11.39DocScrutinizer05well, then that's probably already your problem, since I guess NOLO already does wake the hw watchdogs
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15:16.59WizardNumberNextso I would try to build-in watchdogs and see what happens
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15:17.59DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20130719_002.jpg ff ... http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20130719_009.jpg
15:18.30DocScrutinizer05WizardNumberNext: you first of all should try flasher option to disable watchdogs
15:18.34Siceloi remember those too DocScrutinizer05 :)
15:18.57WizardNumberNextin rd mode?
15:19.10DocScrutinizer05yep
15:19.49DocScrutinizer05afaik NOLO obeys those settings too
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15:20.38DocScrutinizer05and iirc I heard u-boot already has trouble with WDs when not keeping them alive, so it seems evident that NOLO wakes them
15:24.15WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05, it looks like you are right - I have both watchdogs built-in and now it stays on. Still blank&dark display, but it is still on
15:24.34DocScrutinizer05sure :-)
15:25.08WizardNumberNextcannot turn it off tough
15:25.20DocScrutinizer05hold power button for 10s
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15:26.35DocScrutinizer05should usually do a hard shutdown
15:26.43WizardNumberNextshould
15:27.04WizardNumberNextI tried twice laready with at least 10s of break between
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15:27.23WizardNumberNextbattery always works
15:28.33DocScrutinizer05well, I'm not sure about this particular one in twl4030, but usually power button triggers a timer that shuts down device after power button got held down for N seconds - *unless* kernel monitors and resets that timer
15:29.29WizardNumberNextwho knows, even if I would be able to understand everything in kernel, reading whole damn kernel would take lifetime
15:30.00DocScrutinizer05when your kernel actually works and notices power button got pressed, and kernel emits a "powerbutton" event to userland and resets timer, then you're SOL with hard powerdown
15:30.55DocScrutinizer05debug console would tell you ;-)
15:31.48DocScrutinizer05anyway your chances to get maemo userland working with vanilla kernel are approximately zilch
15:32.21DocScrutinizer05why would anybody want to do that?
15:32.47DocScrutinizer05freemangordon managed to get 3.12 or 3.14 running on N900 with maemo5
15:33.07DocScrutinizer05why don't you use that kernel rather than any vamilla kernel?
15:38.28WizardNumberNextI would really like to do so
15:38.41WizardNumberNextI mean use fremangordon's kernel
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15:51.38WizardNumberNextI just need a link to it
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16:35.45DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1410991#post1410991  *shrug*
16:36.01DocScrutinizer05gitorious? github?
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17:09.02bencohare they porting blobs ? :(
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17:15.01Apic~combined ~emmc ~flasher
17:15.22Apic~combined
17:15.22infobotcombined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
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17:16.29ApicDoes the RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin still need the Trick with setting Date to 2010 to install a Maemo Update?
17:16.38Apic~emmc
17:16.38infobotemmc is, like, magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin
17:18.08Apic~flasher
17:18.08infobotsomebody said flasher was at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
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17:29.08silviofApic: I think yes - you need to change the date
17:29.38ApicOk
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17:40.14t3st3rare there full list of magnets somewhere?
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18:23.27ApicIt does not list Maemo on the Updates… do i need to set Date back to the current one and then it'll finally list it?
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18:41.24ApicStill does not list Maemo Update after changing from 2010 to current Date.  B-(
18:43.27ApicProduct Info shows Version "21.2011.38-1" though, isn't that quite current already?
18:43.34DocScrutinizer05which update? 21.2011.38-1 is the latest one
18:44.12DocScrutinizer05[2014-03-18 18:15:22] <infobot> combined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia...
18:44.51ApicYes, i used the one infobot said
18:45.05ApicSo with this i do not need the Time-Travel Trick…
18:45.10DocScrutinizer05see the last 4 words
18:45.20ApicYes.
18:45.22ApicThanks.
18:51.21DocScrutinizer05nope, you usually don't need time travel, since it's only Nokia's pubkey/cert that expired. You however can get *real* updates from CSSU now, which doesn't have any expired keys
18:51.25DocScrutinizer05~cssu
18:51.25infobotextra, extra, read all about it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
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19:08.20ApicOkay
19:09.46silviofApic: sorry
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19:15.45Apicsilviof: No Worries B-)
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20:08.10ApicAh, the SSU Thingy has a good Battery Status already. Fine, fine!
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20:18.31ApicAs U-Boot for being able to select to boot kernel-power, is "u-boot-flasher" better, or "uboot-pr13" ("RISKY INSTALL")
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20:20.07ApicWell, i'll try the "u-boot-flasher" which is _not_ especially marked as risky. ;-)
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20:59.06hxkahttps://www.dropbox.com/s/5u5ohctp8bx03v3/Millionare.jpg
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21:03.22silviofhxka: ouuuu - W-T-F!
21:03.39silviofhas he won?
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21:07.35hxkanope
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21:17.48silviofthe question was stupid, after I have look again the picture :-P
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21:54.36WizardNumberNextsilviof, hxka, from administrator point of view there was no right answer
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22:08.32joerg_rwumm, anyway
22:09.14joerg_rwsed -e "s/Defaults env_reset/Defaults env_reset\nDefaults targetpw/; s+user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+user ALL = PASSWD:/usr/sbin/gainroot+"  -i  /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo
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22:17.13bencohhmm, is 01sudo meant to be hand-modified ?
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22:30.24joerg_rwerr well, not really, but then OTOH who cares?
22:30.50joerg_rwthis is rootsh's 01sudo
22:31.39joerg_rwwhat's definitely *not* meant to get modified, particularly not manually, is /etc/sudoers
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22:34.35WizardNumberNextjoerg_rw, I always edit sudoers by hand
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22:40.40joerg_rwWizardNumberNext: on maemo you won't stay a happy camper with that
22:41.27joerg_rwcheck out /usr/sbin/update-sudoers
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22:41.55WizardNumberNextI do not need much of modification there, but I would like to add few things. Still prefer working on maemo, then working on repairing maemo
22:42.10joerg_rwfremantle's sudo really could use an update, to support proper subdirs
22:44.08joerg_rwwith what we got on fremantle, editing /etc/sudoers best case may actually work for a while; usually your edits get reverted on next boot; worst case your system bootloops and you have to reflash
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22:45.37WizardNumberNextjoerg_rw, with a bit of skill, knowledge and luck you can fix maemo without reflash
22:49.33joerg_rwWizardNumberNext: with a bit more skills, knowledge and luck you won't break it to start with ;-)
22:49.54WizardNumberNextright - nice one
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23:46.11DocScrutinizer05anyway update-sudoers is the magic word. Check it out, it's a script iirc
23:46.58DocScrutinizer05yup
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