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08:35.44 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | Please see http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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09:37.30 | zGrr | moin :) |
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12:01.08 | trx | where can i find fremantle images? |
12:01.26 | trx | tablets-dev is down, as is skeiron.org |
12:01.37 | trx | and http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/ doesn't exist |
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12:06.14 | trx | found it |
12:06.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell trx about combined |
12:06.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell trx about emmc |
12:06.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell trx about flasher |
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12:07.03 | trx | thanks doc! |
12:07.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
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12:07.27 | silviof | DocScrutinizer05: we should put this three links in the subject line of this # |
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12:08.40 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer05 -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | For "firmware" see ~combined ~emmc ~flasher | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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12:10.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry weekly news, you felt like zombie state anyway, lately |
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12:11.26 | silviof | ahh - a way better ^^ |
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12:33.40 | silviof | now we can say - "hey look at subjectline" and have to discuss what the ~ means :-P |
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14:54.30 | WizardNumberNext | hello, most annoying thing in getting vanila kernel to work on N900 is lack of any kind of log. All I know is N900 is switching off after 3-30 seconds - depends on kernel. I even don't know, if kernel is dying or watchdog is playing with or maybe maemo doesn't like my kernel |
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15:05.56 | Sicelo | WizardNumberNext: you can build a serial adapter |
15:06.14 | WizardNumberNext | Sicelo, tell me more |
15:06.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: well, for that you need either serial console, or mtdoops |
15:06.26 | Sicelo | http://elektranox.org/n900/adapter/index.html |
15:06.37 | WizardNumberNext | mtdoops doesn't give me anything at the moment |
15:06.54 | Sicelo | that's what sre is using for the modem work he's doing |
15:07.01 | WizardNumberNext | only logs are from kp52 |
15:07.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports |
15:08.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I guess it's watchdog |
15:09.40 | WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer05, debug port? does it really have USB? My 1st N900 have broken USB and I do not have good enough tools to solder new one there |
15:10.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | uh? how's debugport related to USB? |
15:10.50 | WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer05, I don't know - kernel doesn't initialiaze any watchdogs, at least chouldn't as they are build as modules |
15:10.51 | Sicelo | you didn't open the link I gave you? even gives you actual useable component numbers, etc |
15:11.15 | WizardNumberNext | Sicelo, I am on reading it |
15:11.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, then that's probably already your problem, since I guess NOLO already does wake the hw watchdogs |
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15:16.59 | WizardNumberNext | so I would try to build-in watchdogs and see what happens |
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15:17.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20130719_002.jpg ff ... http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20130719_009.jpg |
15:18.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: you first of all should try flasher option to disable watchdogs |
15:18.34 | Sicelo | i remember those too DocScrutinizer05 :) |
15:18.57 | WizardNumberNext | in rd mode? |
15:19.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
15:19.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik NOLO obeys those settings too |
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15:20.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and iirc I heard u-boot already has trouble with WDs when not keeping them alive, so it seems evident that NOLO wakes them |
15:24.15 | WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer05, it looks like you are right - I have both watchdogs built-in and now it stays on. Still blank&dark display, but it is still on |
15:24.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure :-) |
15:25.08 | WizardNumberNext | cannot turn it off tough |
15:25.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | hold power button for 10s |
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15:26.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | should usually do a hard shutdown |
15:26.43 | WizardNumberNext | should |
15:27.04 | WizardNumberNext | I tried twice laready with at least 10s of break between |
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15:27.23 | WizardNumberNext | battery always works |
15:28.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'm not sure about this particular one in twl4030, but usually power button triggers a timer that shuts down device after power button got held down for N seconds - *unless* kernel monitors and resets that timer |
15:29.29 | WizardNumberNext | who knows, even if I would be able to understand everything in kernel, reading whole damn kernel would take lifetime |
15:30.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | when your kernel actually works and notices power button got pressed, and kernel emits a "powerbutton" event to userland and resets timer, then you're SOL with hard powerdown |
15:30.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | debug console would tell you ;-) |
15:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway your chances to get maemo userland working with vanilla kernel are approximately zilch |
15:32.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | why would anybody want to do that? |
15:32.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon managed to get 3.12 or 3.14 running on N900 with maemo5 |
15:33.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | why don't you use that kernel rather than any vamilla kernel? |
15:38.28 | WizardNumberNext | I would really like to do so |
15:38.41 | WizardNumberNext | I mean use fremangordon's kernel |
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15:51.38 | WizardNumberNext | I just need a link to it |
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16:35.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1410991#post1410991 *shrug* |
16:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | gitorious? github? |
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17:09.02 | bencoh | are they porting blobs ? :( |
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17:15.01 | Apic | ~combined ~emmc ~flasher |
17:15.22 | Apic | ~combined |
17:15.22 | infobot | combined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
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17:16.29 | Apic | Does the RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin still need the Trick with setting Date to 2010 to install a Maemo Update? |
17:16.38 | Apic | ~emmc |
17:16.38 | infobot | emmc is, like, magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
17:18.08 | Apic | ~flasher |
17:18.08 | infobot | somebody said flasher was at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
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17:29.08 | silviof | Apic: I think yes - you need to change the date |
17:29.38 | Apic | Ok |
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17:40.14 | t3st3r | are there full list of magnets somewhere? |
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18:23.27 | Apic | It does not list Maemo on the Updates… do i need to set Date back to the current one and then it'll finally list it? |
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18:41.24 | Apic | Still does not list Maemo Update after changing from 2010 to current Date. B-( |
18:43.27 | Apic | Product Info shows Version "21.2011.38-1" though, isn't that quite current already? |
18:43.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | which update? 21.2011.38-1 is the latest one |
18:44.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-03-18 18:15:22] <infobot> combined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia... |
18:44.51 | Apic | Yes, i used the one infobot said |
18:45.05 | Apic | So with this i do not need the Time-Travel Trick… |
18:45.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | see the last 4 words |
18:45.20 | Apic | Yes. |
18:45.22 | Apic | Thanks. |
18:51.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, you usually don't need time travel, since it's only Nokia's pubkey/cert that expired. You however can get *real* updates from CSSU now, which doesn't have any expired keys |
18:51.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
18:51.25 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
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19:08.20 | Apic | Okay |
19:09.46 | silviof | Apic: sorry |
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19:15.45 | Apic | silviof: No Worries B-) |
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20:08.10 | Apic | Ah, the SSU Thingy has a good Battery Status already. Fine, fine! |
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20:18.31 | Apic | As U-Boot for being able to select to boot kernel-power, is "u-boot-flasher" better, or "uboot-pr13" ("RISKY INSTALL") |
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20:20.07 | Apic | Well, i'll try the "u-boot-flasher" which is _not_ especially marked as risky. ;-) |
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20:59.06 | hxka | https://www.dropbox.com/s/5u5ohctp8bx03v3/Millionare.jpg |
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21:03.22 | silviof | hxka: ouuuu - W-T-F! |
21:03.39 | silviof | has he won? |
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21:07.35 | hxka | nope |
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21:17.48 | silviof | the question was stupid, after I have look again the picture :-P |
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21:54.36 | WizardNumberNext | silviof, hxka, from administrator point of view there was no right answer |
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22:08.32 | joerg_rw | umm, anyway |
22:09.14 | joerg_rw | sed -e "s/Defaults env_reset/Defaults env_reset\nDefaults targetpw/; s+user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+user ALL = PASSWD:/usr/sbin/gainroot+" -i /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo |
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22:17.13 | bencoh | hmm, is 01sudo meant to be hand-modified ? |
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22:30.24 | joerg_rw | err well, not really, but then OTOH who cares? |
22:30.50 | joerg_rw | this is rootsh's 01sudo |
22:31.39 | joerg_rw | what's definitely *not* meant to get modified, particularly not manually, is /etc/sudoers |
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22:34.35 | WizardNumberNext | joerg_rw, I always edit sudoers by hand |
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22:40.40 | joerg_rw | WizardNumberNext: on maemo you won't stay a happy camper with that |
22:41.27 | joerg_rw | check out /usr/sbin/update-sudoers |
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22:41.55 | WizardNumberNext | I do not need much of modification there, but I would like to add few things. Still prefer working on maemo, then working on repairing maemo |
22:42.10 | joerg_rw | fremantle's sudo really could use an update, to support proper subdirs |
22:44.08 | joerg_rw | with what we got on fremantle, editing /etc/sudoers best case may actually work for a while; usually your edits get reverted on next boot; worst case your system bootloops and you have to reflash |
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22:45.37 | WizardNumberNext | joerg_rw, with a bit of skill, knowledge and luck you can fix maemo without reflash |
22:49.33 | joerg_rw | WizardNumberNext: with a bit more skills, knowledge and luck you won't break it to start with ;-) |
22:49.54 | WizardNumberNext | right - nice one |
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23:46.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway update-sudoers is the magic word. Check it out, it's a script iirc |
23:46.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
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