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| 06:29.19 | antithesis | > Warning: Those of you familiar with Debian or other similar Linux distributions know that it is very easy to keep the distro up to date by means of the apt-get command. However, there is currently a problem with some of the central Easy Debian apps in the Debian Squeeze repositories (gconf2 in particular). Therefore, it is recommended that for the moment you simply use the image as is. Do not perform a full upgrade (apt-get update is safe, though) when |
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| 06:29.27 | antithesis | Should I expect this to ever get fixed? |
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| 08:32.15 | zamm | hello |
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| 08:33.37 | zamm | DocScrutinizer51: my keyboard does not have anymore the blacklight |
| 08:34.29 | zamm | what happened... the light behind my keyboard |
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| 08:35.48 | zamm | I rebooted the n900 |
| 08:35.56 | zamm | no way |
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| 10:39.15 | int_ua | Hi, where can I find any info on default time sync method (used in clock applet)? Only thing I've found reading TMO and BMO is ~/.clockd.conf How can I debug time sync feature? |
| 10:40.04 | int_ua | It was working ideally on my first N900, and doesn't seem to work on the second with the same software, SIM and settings |
| 10:46.06 | int_ua | running clockd gives "Attempt to remove filter function 0xcca8 user data (nil), but no such filter has been added" |
| 10:47.53 | int_ua | both by user and by root |
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| 12:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | zamm: it's highly unlikely that all 6 kbd backlight LEDs break, but the 3 LEDs in RGB indicator LED still work. All 9 LEDs are controlled via same controller chip |
| 12:35.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | zamm: your problem either is with slider magnet which detects kbd open, or with ambient light sensor, or simply with software, particularly MCE |
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| 12:35.57 | troulouliou_dev | hi is there anybody running maemo with root and sd card fs encrypted by cryptsetup ? |
| 12:36.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | slider magnet getting loose and lost is a common and known problem - not frequent but still several reports |
| 12:36.06 | troulouliou_dev | is it even possible ? |
| 12:36.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | troulouliou_dev: I think a number of users implemented such setup |
| 12:37.34 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, cause actually n900 is really unsecure against physical forensic |
| 12:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 12:38.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | it never been designed to deal with this 'threat' |
| 12:38.08 | Hurrian | well, you bought a device with no restrictions for a reason ;) |
| 12:38.08 | troulouliou_dev | i would like to enter password for rootfs and then decrypt sd card with a keyfile |
| 12:38.37 | Hurrian | troulouliou_dev: you'll have to make an initramfs |
| 12:38.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | troulouliou_dev: maemo is a pretty normal standard linux system |
| 12:38.51 | Hurrian | so far, all encryption attempts on N900 encrypt eMMC |
| 12:39.34 | troulouliou_dev | Hurrian, ok so already good; i can then decrypt sdcrad with a keyfile stored in emmc |
| 12:40.01 | Hurrian | yes, you can do that too |
| 12:40.04 | troulouliou_dev | i just wonder if the perfs won't ipact th efeasability |
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| 12:40.19 | troulouliou_dev | impact the feasability |
| 12:40.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | troulouliou_dev: when you say "rootfs" what do you mean? it's pretty easy to encrypt homedir. It gets tricky when you want to encrypt even "immutable" files in /bin and initscripts |
| 12:40.47 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, yes those can stay like thos |
| 12:41.10 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, i barely remember but those are on a squashfs no ? |
| 12:41.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, then just follow instructions for standard linux |
| 12:41.59 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, ok but do you think the performance will be ok ? |
| 12:43.19 | int_ua | languageregional applet is broken, how do I list all enabled locales on N900 from CLI? |
| 12:43.35 | int_ua | those that can be added with add_remove_language |
| 12:44.29 | int_ua | What's the default /etc/locale.gen on N900? |
| 12:44.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, gremlins ate my IroN900 system ;-P |
| 12:45.21 | int_ua | I've installed locales package trying to debug clockd, run locale-gen and got locales completely broken |
| 12:46.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL, 2nd line is *output* |
| 12:46.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# reboot |
| 12:46.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# + [ x6 = x-t ] |
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| 12:47.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | troulouliou_dev: I don't know about performance, since I never tested that setup |
| 12:48.21 | troulouliou_dev | easier for me would be to switch to an android phone ; it is not even a money issue but i love that piece of linux phone :) |
| 12:48.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | int_ua: locales on maemo are "broken by factory" - all locales are in the cache file only, making for a 20+MB of locale data that can't get edited |
| 12:49.20 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer05, should I just delete locales package? |
| 12:49.55 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer05, also I remember finding some insctructions on regenerating it |
| 12:50.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | int_ua: you can't delete locale package, I dunno what installs that monster 20MB locale.cache(?) |
| 12:50.21 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer05, It wasn't installed before this morning even |
| 12:50.35 | int_ua | locale_S_ package |
| 12:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and afaik the data to regenerate it is missing and not even open source |
| 12:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | shame on you, Nokia |
| 12:52.41 | zamm | so DocScrutinizer05 if is software matter? |
| 12:53.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive |
| 12:53.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 23911920 2010-02-19 11:58 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive |
| 12:53.47 | zamm | ? |
| 12:54.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | zamm: this wasn't addressed at you |
| 12:54.13 | zamm | ok |
| 12:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | zamm: I dunno, you need to do further tests/checks |
| 12:54.42 | zamm | like what? |
| 12:55.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | like |
| 12:55.23 | zamm | is buyable neo900? |
| 12:55.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state |
| 12:55.33 | zamm | mmm ok |
| 12:55.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 |
| 12:55.47 | zamm | wait I am on cell |
| 12:55.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | then don't bother |
| 12:56.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | just see the FAQ on neo900.org |
| 12:56.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state |
| 12:56.52 | zamm | yep |
| 12:57.19 | zamm | it says open |
| 12:57.26 | zamm | and its' true |
| 12:57.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | then no issue with magnet |
| 12:58.18 | zamm | yep also closed |
| 12:58.22 | zamm | works fine |
| 12:59.21 | zamm | so how much to wait for a neo900 please? |
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| 13:03.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | zamm: sorry? |
| 13:03.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | zamm: please rephrase! and meanwhile try |
| 13:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | for led in $(find /sys -path '*:kb*' -name brightness); do echo 100 >$led; done |
| 13:04.03 | troulouliou_dev | zamm, it is required to have 1000 donations and actually there is only like 340 ... |
| 13:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, that's not correct, we are already like 2 months into development |
| 13:04.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | it needed 200 device "preorders" |
| 13:04.56 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, the donations schedule is not impacting the release date ? |
| 13:05.08 | troulouliou_dev | ha goo dnew :) :) |
| 13:05.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1000 is what allows us do get better offers for sourcing components |
| 13:05.37 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, but there is all your internal fight going on no ? |
| 13:05.45 | troulouliou_dev | or is it solved too ? |
| 13:06.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | what internal fight? the fight with buerocracy is almost won. No other fights |
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| 13:06.49 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, cool good news then :) |
| 13:06.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | next week we will announce a new entity that's dealing with Neo900 project as sole purpose |
| 13:06.59 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, it may cpom eout in 2014 ? |
| 13:07.03 | troulouliou_dev | come out |
| 13:07.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's still the plan |
| 13:07.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | late Q3 |
| 13:07.29 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, btw are you surfing/browsing with your n900 ? |
| 13:07.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | occasionally |
| 13:07.52 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, thats the point cause it is really a pain to use it for surfing |
| 13:08.01 | troulouliou_dev | all my browsers always hangs/freeze .... |
| 13:08.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's not as smooth as modern devices, yes |
| 13:08.31 | troulouliou_dev | when i see my wife with its nsa powered android device; sometimes i hesitate .... |
| 13:09.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and web sites tend to be xx MB in size, and bloated with useless flash and JS crap nowadays |
| 13:09.46 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, maybe playing with the user agent somehow could help |
| 13:10.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | might help, indeed |
| 13:10.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | most bloated websites have special versions they deliver to mobile devices that get recognized |
| 13:10.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly spyPhone |
| 13:11.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | but probably also all those android phones. chrome? |
| 13:12.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess there must be a pretty easy way to change/define browser ID of microB |
| 13:12.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never looked into that since it never bothered me |
| 13:13.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | zamm: what's the result of for led in $(find /sys -path '*:kb*' -name brightness); do echo 100 >$led; done |
| 13:13.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | zamm: your kbd LEDs should flash for a short moment at least |
| 13:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | zamm: also, does your indicator LED work? |
| 13:14.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | zamm: it's not unheard that fcam is messing with the lp5523 LED controller chip so terribly that only removing battery can "fix" it |
| 13:15.40 | zamm | hey |
| 13:15.45 | zamm | wait |
| 13:15.50 | zamm | ok |
| 13:16.16 | zamm | I turn on my notebook so I can do better |
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| 13:17.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe your find doesn't work all OKish on messybox |
| 13:18.03 | zammy | paste again that |
| 13:18.05 | zammy | please |
| 13:18.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | for led in /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb?/brightness; do echo 100 >$led; done |
| 13:18.59 | zamm | included in? |
| 13:19.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? |
| 13:19.36 | zamm | ,--8<- |
| 13:19.36 | zamm | |Nokia-N900:~# /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb?/brightness; do echo 100 >$led; done |
| 13:19.36 | zamm | |-sh: /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb?/brightness: not found |
| 13:19.36 | zamm | |-sh: cannot create : nonexistent directory |
| 13:19.36 | zamm | `-->8- |
| 13:19.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 13:20.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l /sys/class/leds/ |
| 13:20.36 | zamm | ,--8<- |
| 13:20.36 | zamm | |Nokia-N900:~# ls -l /sys/class/leds/ |
| 13:20.36 | zamm | |drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 0 Mar 12 14:20 twl4030:vibrator |
| 13:20.36 | zamm | `-->8- |
| 13:20.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/85d27a7789 |
| 13:20.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | remove battery! |
| 13:20.50 | zamm | mmm I can use nopaste |
| 13:20.54 | zamm | alright |
| 13:21.12 | zamm | I do like you said |
| 13:21.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | make sure you don't use KP<48 |
| 13:22.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | KP had some pretty hard fsckup re lp5523 drivers, or rather to that too, as well as to I2C in general |
| 13:22.07 | zamm | what's KP<48? |
| 13:22.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel-power |
| 13:22.15 | zamm | whatever I removed battery |
| 13:22.28 | zamm | now is booting |
| 13:22.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | as already said: fcam is notorious to "destroy" the lp5523 driver |
| 13:23.05 | zamm | it works |
| 13:23.09 | zamm | leds are ok |
| 13:23.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | they are doing some *really* nasty stuff to that poor chip and driver |
| 13:23.23 | zamm | mmm |
| 13:23.26 | zamm | ok |
| 13:23.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine, so you're back to proper health :-D |
| 13:25.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea who and how manages to kill the lp5523 kernel driver that way |
| 13:25.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | madprobe lp5523 might help |
| 13:25.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | mod* |
| 13:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | leds_lp5523 actually |
| 13:27.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | next time you do a lsmod|grep 5523 |
| 13:27.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and when no module leds_lp5523 loaded, you do modprobe leds_lp5523 |
| 13:28.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you also might need a stop mce;sleep 2;start mce |
| 13:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves |
| 13:32.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, busybox find works, at least for the cmdline above. Amazing |
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| 13:38.23 | zamm | thanks DocScrutinizer05 for my dummy bores |
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| 13:46.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw! much appreciated to learn what's the everyday issues seen in N900 |
| 13:47.18 | zGrr | insufficient memory :) |
| 13:47.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | next time I know I'm suggesting lsmod first |
| 13:47.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | zGrr: as a reason for leds_lp5523 failing? |
| 13:48.23 | zGrr | DocScrutinizer05: oops, sorry. |
| 13:48.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | np |
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| 15:22.08 | BCMM_ | is online POI search broken in Modrana, or is it just me? |
| 15:28.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | search of coords from addr in contacts returns ~1km offset cords in ovi-maps. While search for same street/addr in ovimaps directly works just fine. dunno if it's related |
| 15:29.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | definitely something fishy with that stuff |
| 15:29.36 | BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer05: thanks, but it's the POI search that's broken in modrana - things like "bank near my current position" |
| 15:29.50 | BCMM_ | used to give a list and put markers on the map, now nothing |
| 15:30.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | will also work with lon/lat coords on *some* level |
| 15:30.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | just saying something's bit rotting there |
| 15:31.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd expect it to spread across adjacent domains, like POI, dunnowhat |
| 15:31.20 | BCMM_ | yeah i imagine it's a google API change, but it's not inaccurate; it's just absent (no results) |
| 15:31.56 | BCMM_ | i'll write up a bug when i get home; in the mean-time, any suggestions for a POI search program? |
| 15:32.10 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: you can put in direct co-ordinates in contacts? |
| 15:32.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe, I seem to recall that worked |
| 15:32.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm using simple street/number, city addr-records in contacts |
| 15:33.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | those are clickable since PR13(?) |
| 15:33.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I checked with my PR1.2+ t900 device, and there you can't click addr in contacts |
| 15:34.27 | Sicelo | yeah, regular address is clickable, but mostly inaccurate. your comment above suggested coordinates are acceptable. that would have been nice at least |
| 15:35.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: anyway map search is off-board for ovi-maps, no matter what. So I suspect it's a question of web service functionality what you can search for |
| 15:36.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard complaints about Nokia's ovi-maps recently |
| 15:36.41 | Sicelo | uses only stock Maps on N900, having tried the others.. |
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| 15:46.14 | BCMM_ | can anybody recommend a POI search tht |
| 15:46.23 | BCMM_ | currently works? |
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| 15:54.02 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05, I got the 3 china N900 before me now |
| 15:54.47 | Agge | the IMEI: numers is 35693803******* |
| 15:55.04 | Agge | and the *#0000# says different things on all of them |
| 15:59.05 | Agge | #1: RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1-DR-205 #2 V 21.2011.38-1 #3V 21.2011.38-1.004 |
| 15:59.45 | Agge | My original says V 21.2011.38-1 |
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| 16:23.52 | Agge | all of them have a file named /dev/mtd1 but I have no idea how to see any information in them |
| 16:25.35 | Agge | all of them also vas delivered with 4GB sd cards containgen a folder stryckture but no files |
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| 16:31.31 | thedead1440 | just fyi; once a sd card is inserted into a n900, the standard folder structure is created |
| 16:36.54 | Agge | aha. that explains that. what do the different *#0000# information signify? |
| 16:37.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: cat /dev/mtd1|strings |
| 16:37.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: +#0000# is about cmt firmware version aiui |
| 16:38.02 | thedead1440 | First one is pr1.0, second one is pr1.3.1 and third is pr1.3.1 of a different region if i am not wrong |
| 16:38.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 16:38.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn sure you should do a full reflash on all three |
| 16:39.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | will also reveal any elementary problems in hw |
| 16:39.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 16:39.44 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 16:39.51 | Agge | of course :) |
| 16:39.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr131 |
| 16:39.51 | infobot | somebody said combined was the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 16:39.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~emmc |
| 16:39.57 | infobot | rumour has it, emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 16:40.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flasher |
| 16:40.21 | infobot | it has been said that flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 16:41.36 | Agge | how do I do a | on a N900? |
| 16:41.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | blue-ctrl |
| 16:42.11 | Agge | thansk |
| 16:42.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 16:43.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and you probably only should use /dev/mtd1ro ever |
| 16:43.24 | Agge | get permission dinided on the cat /dev/mtd1|strings need to fix sudo |
| 16:44.12 | Agge | and get "strings: not found |
| 16:44.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that *ro is of more liberal permissions |
| 16:44.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 16:44.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# strings --version |
| 16:44.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | GNU strings (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.18.50.20070820 |
| 16:45.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 16:45.33 | infobot | jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 16:46.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/binutils/ |
| 16:48.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | frowns at tools lib dust. That stuff could use an update |
| 16:48.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ lib / repo / |
| 16:48.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ping |
| 16:48.45 | infobot | ~pong |
| 16:49.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/lib/repo/ |
| 16:49.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf? |
| 16:49.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/w/x/ |
| 16:49.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, same old catch |
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| 16:55.03 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05, anything simular to strings that i can use? |
| 16:55.15 | Agge | or can i install it easy? |
| 16:55.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get install binutils |
| 16:56.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | get tools repo enabled for that. Disable afterwords. Manage repos (aka catalogs) in HAM! |
| 16:56.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | clicking link in ~jrtools will configure tools repo for you, using HAM |
| 16:57.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#Additional_Repositories |
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| 16:57.37 | Agge | got strings installed. now I am thinking about a good way to pastbin it |
| 16:58.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm pastebinit is always broken when I try to get latest version |
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| 16:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway pastebinit is a python(?) script, just find the newest shiniest version of it and copy the script to N900's /usr/local/bin, chmod a+x /usr/local/bin/pastebinit |
| 17:00.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes a cat|netcat paste.debian.net 1234 worked |
| 17:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I guess it got abused a lot and they stopped that finally. And netcat also not available per standard |
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| 17:03.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: anyway nobody really wants to read the whole noise from a cat /dev/mtd1ro|strings |
| 17:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | try cat /dev/mtd1ro|strings|less, then search through it for interesting stuff |
| 17:04.26 | Agge | http://pastebin.com/kmCYSCyH |
| 17:04.30 | Agge | for one fo the phones |
| 17:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are things like software versions of the flash-events the device seen, IMEI, BT mac, locale, kbd default layout, etc pp |
| 17:06.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | the CAL "filesystem" keeps old records usually, so you see a lot of duplicates |
| 17:06.57 | Agge | I asume that this line "wRX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.UK-IRELAND" is that it was original sold in irland |
| 17:07.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ConF is record delimiter, then key, then some garbage (actually version number of record) then value |
| 17:07.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, probably |
| 17:07.58 | hxka | lock_code |
| 17:07.59 | hxka | 12345 |
| 17:08.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | or at least configured to get sold in Ireland |
| 17:08.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, default |
| 17:08.38 | hxka | what? I thoughth it's hash that is suppoed to be there |
| 17:08.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | once you change that, it has the hash of true lockcode instead |
| 17:08.50 | hxka | huh |
| 17:08.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | 12345 means "virgin" |
| 17:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody ever changed the lockcode (unless there are further lockcode records in cal) |
| 17:10.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | when libcal searches for e.g. lockcode, it reads whole mtd1 and searches for the lockcode record with highest version number |
| 17:11.13 | hxka | So it may be not the last one? |
| 17:11.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it *might* be any of the records with key "lockcode" |
| 17:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | but usually it's the last one |
| 17:12.20 | Agge | unless it is in some other file it is just that one |
| 17:12.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | cal just appends new records, until the mtd1 is full |
| 17:13.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody knows for sure what libcal does when mtd1 is full |
| 17:13.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's supposed to clean up some erase pages |
| 17:13.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe it does a complete mtd1 rewrite |
| 17:13.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | who knows |
| 17:14.02 | Agge | I don't have time to check the /dev/mtd1ro on the other phones right now but I will check it later today |
| 17:14.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | so all three devices seem to work? |
| 17:14.46 | Agge | yes |
| 17:14.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | how much they were? |
| 17:15.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | and where did you buy? |
| 17:15.55 | Agge | one of them had no power in the battery |
| 17:15.56 | Agge | http://www.ebay.com/itm/271334934905 |
| 17:16.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohwell, empty battery is a minor "sin" |
| 17:16.17 | Agge | 135$ + shipping |
| 17:16.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | fair |
| 17:17.19 | Agge | got a little less on shipping becose I ordered 3 but import tax aite that |
| 17:17.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | what package, which accessories? |
| 17:17.54 | Agge | had some problem geting the seller to understand that I dindent want him to send it with UPS |
| 17:18.23 | Agge | blue box with charger,usb cabel and hedphones |
| 17:18.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 17:18.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | usual |
| 17:18.50 | Agge | all exept the charger looks like it should |
| 17:19.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | charger a noname? |
| 17:19.31 | Agge | nope it is marked nokia but it is not the same as the origilan N900 got dileverd with |
| 17:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 17:19.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly no problem |
| 17:20.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | is the digitizer original? |
| 17:21.09 | Agge | A other person that ordered one himself got his in a black box that lookes like the original box but made from corogated paper instad of just thick paper |
| 17:21.16 | Agge | digitizer? |
| 17:21.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | or can you detect any tiny differences, e.g. in the "N900" silver printing |
| 17:21.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | the "touchscreen" |
| 17:22.30 | Agge | the nokia mark on the front is allot smaler font and allot less silver |
| 17:22.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, fake |
| 17:22.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, the NOKIA mark |
| 17:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | well that's frame |
| 17:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | the original is white afaik |
| 17:23.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd call it white |
| 17:23.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | the "N900" silver printin on right upper corner |
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| 17:24.24 | Agge | almost |
| 17:24.26 | Agge|m | https://www.dropbox.com/s/o9gxd8uxjnehsih/2014-03-12%2018.22.54.jpg |
| 17:24.37 | Agge | picture of both of them |
| 17:24.49 | Agge | both an original and a new |
| 17:25.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | the lower one has "N900" covered by a sticker |
| 17:25.59 | Agge | yeah it is as good as identical as on the original |
| 17:26.10 | zGrr | A new one is covered with the sticker with QR code on it. |
| 17:26.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | lower one has a nasty screen protector foil applied |
| 17:27.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes me think they tried to cover some scratches in original digitizer |
| 17:27.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, upper one also has a screen protector foil |
| 17:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk, bbl |
| 17:28.32 | Agge | nope no scratches unless they are extremly thiny |
| 17:28.38 | Agge | gtg bbl |
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| 17:37.37 | silviof | maybe the china phone is refurbisched? |
| 17:37.51 | silviof | ... in china |
| 17:38.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | most probably it is |
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| 18:52.23 | lizardo | Does anyone else has problems with Maemo Wiki's CSS looking broken (i.e. it does not seem to load)? I already tried both firefox and chrome, and same problem happens... Screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/vALNhAS.png |
| 18:53.06 | lizardo | (note that the top left logo also looks broken... and the page takes several seconds to load) |
| 18:55.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably trouble in servers. I'm not supposed to take care anymore, please pester HiFo |
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| 18:58.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | since they are so eager to take care of server maintenance and think my job is done, go pester them |
| 18:58.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
| 18:58.32 | lizardo | DocScrutinizer05: actually I had these problems for several months , but never bothered to ask (as I'm not using the wiki as much as I used to be, so I kept forgetting |
| 18:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, then you probably have a browser that gets hickup due to the redirect for static.maemo.org |
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| 19:01.02 | lizardo | DocScrutinizer05: I tried both firefox and chrome, same problem in both. I ask if anyone else is having similar problems, because if it is only me, I might trace to some caching issue on my network |
| 19:01.22 | lizardo | DocScrutinizer05: but indeed I have problems with accessing static.maemo.org |
| 19:01.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | works for me |
| 19:01.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | static.maemo.org is a reditrect to maemo.org:81 |
| 19:02.06 | lizardo | DocScrutinizer05: now I see (with wget)... that's the problem :) |
| 19:02.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | some firewalls or browsers get hickup on that |
| 19:02.22 | lizardo | DocScrutinizer05: I need to ask TI to allow this port for me |
| 19:02.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 19:02.32 | lizardo | IT* |
| 19:03.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | borkage done during consolidation |
| 19:03.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | we had no free IP for static.maemo.org |
| 19:05.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for the inconvenience |
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| 19:13.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | lizardo: if your IT dude starts bitching about idiocy in maemo.org, suggest to him (her?) to join maemo techstaff team to sanitize the situation ;-) |
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| 19:24.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh., scratch that. according to HiFo my job "got accomplished", so I wouldn't know to tell you whom this guy/gal should talk to, to find the way to techstaff and the maemo infra |
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| 19:29.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm so fed up with HiFo completely detached from infra maintenance and orga and not a single idea of any detail how stuff works (both technically and organizational), but yet trying to restructure stuff |
| 19:31.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and main promotor of that movement ignored simplest rules of techstaff team like constant availability in maintenance channel and never ever organizing relevant topics in any other (particularly no closed) channels, or finding a stand-in when he's not available, despite counting himself for techstaff member |
| 19:32.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | now accusimg *me* to run a one-man-show on maemo infra |
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| 19:34.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | kindergarden |
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| 19:45.23 | drathir | DocScrutinizer05: that no wifi what i check should be connected with antenna when i come close to router signal is little stronger and stable... |
| 19:56.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | drathir: cleaning C-springs and antenna contact pads should help |
| 19:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/12/plasma-desktopUt3389.png |
| 19:59.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/12/plasma-desktophW3389.png |
| 20:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/12/plasma-desktopCI3389.png |
| 20:03.18 | drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks a lot i need to try that when i have a little free time i hope that help... |
| 20:03.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140312_002.jpg |
| 20:04.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | drathir: note that also the test jack X6301 might have a bad contact |
| 20:05.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | carefully inserting a paperclip with not too much force might wipe any oxides and dirt off the switch in that jack |
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| 20:07.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | X6301 is roughly opposite side of the C-springs |
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| 20:26.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | that paperclip wire has to be pretty thin, check X6301 with a magnifier glass to get an idea |
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| 20:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw re HiFo: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2014-03-11.log.html#t2014-03-11T22:14:34 for a quote of said techstaff member, HiFo maber, and jyes, even member of that "fucking council" |
| 20:49.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds symptomatic for HiFo's take on council |
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| 21:08.24 | Win7Mac | DocScrutinizer05, we adjusted the Association Rules as you requested |
| 21:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | also seems like there's a general idea in HiFo that HiFo should *control* council |
| 21:08.48 | Win7Mac | nope, why would that be? |
| 21:09.23 | Win7Mac | And who do you mean by "HiFo" - the e.V. or the board? |
| 21:10.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean you, whoever you are. And now you make it on my ignore list. I don't need unprovoked insults |
| 21:10.57 | ZogG_laptop | sup |
| 21:11.21 | ZogG_laptop | hahaha old good Doc :) |
| 21:11.28 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: sup |
| 21:12.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ZogG_laptop: business as usual. IOW I'm going to ignore all that maemo mess even more than I was able to do during last 8 weeks |
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| 21:16.06 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: it was upsetting see you fightig on list. do not take it close to your heart man |
| 21:19.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, i'm almost done with that shit. I had an idea of a council elected by community to handle community's interestes in a democratic manner, as humble steward of maemo community. And a techstaff that handles technical aspects according to what council instructs to the abstarct techstaff entity. I did my best to establish that and thought I finally achived on my part, when HiFo comes and wrecks it for no good reason |
| 21:19.08 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: btw is neo900 related to maemo/hifo and so on or it's idependednt project? |
| 21:20.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's an independent project, though HiFo even questions that |
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| 21:21.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | one fool bashing me in conversations with others for stating that Neo900 is NOT related to maemo or council or HiFo, while other fool publicly argues Neo900 could create legal impact to HiFo. Oh My GOD |
| 21:24.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | the one fool blaming me in same conversation for allegedly keeping the Neo900 company as a secret, while on other channels I get bashing for disclosing too many facts beforehand of that company to get founded soon |
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| 21:49.27 | andre__ | mentioning "no closed channels" is funny when hiding discussions and work in ##maemo-admin... |
| 21:55.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ##maemo-admin is THE channel for ALL techstaff to communicate *in the open* of techstaff crew |
| 21:56.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | not only techstaff but even council and yes even HiFo |
| 21:57.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't expect security threats getting discussed and defeated in #maemo, eh? |
| 21:58.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | we even have community visitors there, e.g. Pali |
| 21:58.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | techstaff@maemo.org is an alternative "open" channel which you refused to deal with. A pity |
| 21:59.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, when you got criticism, I hope you also have suggestions. Come up with them! how to do it better? I'm listening |
| 22:00.16 | andre__ | if there was something secret to discuss, sure. |
| 22:00.20 | andre__ | I gave up joining ##maemo-admin - too much hassle (access restriction) to set up. |
| 22:00.54 | andre__ | I didn't "refuse to deal with". I asked to unsubscribe me because 0 emails were interesting to me. |
| 22:00.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, thanks for this helpful contribution |
| 22:01.09 | andre__ | You're welcome. Always happy to remind of more openness. |
| 22:01.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk |
| 22:02.03 | andre__ | I wonder how many "security threads" were actually discussed. And how much stuff in private that could have easily been in public. But that's the normal problem with closed channels... |
| 22:02.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should know that every single IP of a user, every single email alias or address is stuff that mustn't get disclosed to the public |
| 22:03.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus admin channels are not public |
| 22:05.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway since you refer to something I posted where I referred to how HiFo handled stuff in an unacceptable intolerable way: I wouldn't have had any objections when HiFo had discussed new backup server in #maemo. I would have been happy to see it getting discussed here |
| 22:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | now afk for good |
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| 22:33.47 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05, one of the phones have an app named "candle" and one named "Crazy hamster Li" on it even after a factory reset |
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| 22:53.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | Agge: forget factory reset, do a full reflash! |
| 22:54.28 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05, I am goning to let my friends do that tomorow right now I am just checking the /dev/mtd1 on the reminding phones |
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| 23:21.00 | ShadowJK | factory reset doesn't do anything sensible, iirc |
| 23:24.05 | Agge | one of the phones looks like it was suposed to be sold in india and the third dont have the special symbol keybord |
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| 23:39.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | llstening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6hRYy6Tj3g |
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| 23:40.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | om N900, via 3G |
| 23:44.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | microB. stock. Video a bit jerky sometimes, audio mostly ok. dunno what's those complaints about |
| 23:44.57 | FIQ | youtube toolbars has been messed up for me for a while |
| 23:45.07 | FIQ | but youtube streaming itself works fine |
| 23:45.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | aidenote: BT A2DP |
| 23:46.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | this device qnd OS still rocks |
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