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| 09:55.00 | int_ua | What's the difference between hildon-initscripts 1.26-1+dp1 and 1.26-1+0m5? |
| 09:55.25 | int_ua | What does "dp1" mean? |
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| 10:07.56 | hxka | since it only available in SDK repository, probably "development something" |
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| 10:09.07 | hxka | You can download both of them and compare |
| 10:09.14 | hxka | I hove no time currently |
| 10:09.19 | hxka | have even |
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| 10:34.49 | Maxdamantus | Hmm .. wonder how MicroB gets reasonable performance. |
| 10:35.39 | Maxdamantus | running conkeror with the same xulrunner (assuming it actually uses a xulrunner equivalent to the one in /usr/lib/microb-engine/xulrunner), doesn't scroll as smoothly etc |
| 10:35.51 | Maxdamantus | maybe it's the default configuration. |
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| 10:37.26 | Maxdamantus | I think it's just that the usual MicroB removes images that are offscreen somehow. |
| 10:38.04 | Maxdamantus | scrolling is actually relatively consistent (relative to Fennec) when all the images on the Youtube homepage are loaded, but it's just a low fps |
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| 10:49.14 | ShadowJK | hm, bugzilla activit :) |
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| 10:50.18 | Maxdamantus | "microb.suspend_images" .. sounds useful, not in xulrunner though. |
| 10:50.33 | Maxdamantus | so does MicroB just use a plain xulrunner? |
| 10:51.11 | Maxdamantus | and implement the funny scroll mechanism (where you see the grid on unrendered parts) on top? maybe in XUL? |
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| 13:51.53 | MrUtuber | See that guys http://goo.gl/zWa5yY thx you |
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| 13:58.41 | Maxdamantus | Location: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-zIaOHs-30 |
| 13:58.52 | Maxdamantus | wonder what the point of the URL shortener was. |
| 13:59.40 | Maxdamantus | some gaming video. |
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| 14:28.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | same URL spamming |
| 14:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | please stop that! |
| 14:30.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | as a general rule you shouldn't post any URL in channel without sufficient context explaining how it's relevant and on topic, and what it is about |
| 14:31.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess mMrUtuber got k-lined by freenode meanwhile |
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| 14:34.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is not one of the hardcore channels where posting any URL automatically causes a ban on you, but nevertheless posting of URLs shall be on topic, and users are strongly encouraged to ignore and NOT click any suspicious URL getting posted |
| 14:34.26 | Maxdamantus | Sorry. |
| 14:35.00 | Maxdamantus | I'll avoid unshortening probably spam URLs next time. |
| 14:35.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | np, I'm not even able to adhere to these rules myself all the time ;-) Just quoting them to let you all know |
| 14:35.28 | Maxdamantus | though I only showed what it was because it obviously wasn't something malicious. |
| 14:35.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, probably a click harvester |
| 14:36.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply ad spam |
| 14:37.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | though real exploits get spread by same means |
| 14:38.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maxdamantus: thanks for checking it anyway :-) |
| 14:42.57 | Maxdamantus | Hm. Wikipedia works well with Conkeror/xulrunner on the N900 at least. |
| 14:43.11 | Maxdamantus | added some crude touch-drag thing to it. |
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| 14:56.22 | Maxdamantus | Conkeror would probably be a good starting point for a completely chromeless mobile browser. |
| 14:56.30 | Maxdamantus | for mobiles with keyboards. |
| 14:56.45 | Maxdamantus | finds it more comfortable to hold with the keyboard open anyway. |
| 14:58.21 | Maxdamantus | might try coming up with something nice tomorrow. |
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| 17:32.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
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| 22:21.32 | CR0W | Just wonder. I tried to write as root something to /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state since it's writeable, but I get permission denied. |
| 22:24.16 | ShadowJK | yes, well, it's a physical input |
| 22:24.44 | ShadowJK | But as it is gpio, general purpose input output |
| 22:25.05 | ShadowJK | you could change it to output and then echo |
| 22:25.09 | ShadowJK | BUT |
| 22:26.36 | ShadowJK | That would make the cpu drive the pin to your desired state. while proximity sensor attempts to drive the pin to what it thinks is true |
| 22:26.47 | ShadowJK | One of them will die, or both |
| 22:27.27 | CR0W | ShadowJK: I see. |
| 22:28.51 | ShadowJK | (or alternatively, both survive, burning enormous amounts of power) |
| 22:29.01 | CR0W | ShadowJK: the device connected to this (proximity sensor) is dead, and the kernel has set it's state to closed, and disable to 1. I'm thinking if I could make applications think it's in the opposite state w/o modyfing the kernel. |
| 22:29.02 | ShadowJK | ((constantly)) |
| 22:30.07 | ShadowJK | Proximity sensor is used by very few things |
| 22:30.10 | CR0W | Because I'd rather have them think it reports there's nothing in proximity and lock the screen as needed. |
| 22:30.44 | ShadowJK | Personally I'd either do LD_PRELOAD tricks to the affected apps, or hack kernel... |
| 22:31.23 | CR0W | ShadowJK: it's used by the phone app, so I get screen locked when someone's calling and I have to unlock and then answer. This would be OK in my pocket, but it's happening when the phone lays onobscured on my desk. |
| 22:32.59 | ShadowJK | As a new owner of a Jolla phone, I find your attention to detail amusing :D |
| 22:33.09 | CR0W | ShadowJK: in either case, I would have to setup a dev envirioment to compile something. |
| 22:34.07 | ShadowJK | yeah :( |
| 22:34.18 | CR0W | ShadowJK: not sure what does that have to do with Jolla. Anyway, I could simply flip .active_low in the kernel to the opposite, is that right? |
| 22:35.07 | ShadowJK | I would find the prxomity driver and make it return false all the tme |
| 22:35.25 | ShadowJK | but flipping active_low sounds as fine a hack as any |
| 22:36.20 | CR0W | I don't know which file is that unfortunatelly. I found in board-rx51-peripherals.c the set-up for GPIO keys. |
| 22:38.07 | CR0W | Oh damn. I'm watching the Android-N900 kernel. |
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| 22:43.08 | ShadowJK | You probably want power52 |
| 22:43.35 | Maxdamantus | maybe another alternative would be to just mount a tmpfs over /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/ and make a "state" file with the content "1" |
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| 22:45.01 | Maxdamantus | if it's handled by mce, I think it just opens the file each time and reads it. |
| 22:45.20 | Maxdamantus | at least, when vibrating, it just opens a file in /sys and writes to it. |
| 22:46.04 | Maxdamantus | er, not "1" .. "open" |
| 22:51.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | CR0W: you *might* try mounting a plain file directory over the /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/, and have plain files in there to which you can write the state you want. We tried that for iirc magnet sensor and it worked until next boot, then stuff gone terribly haywire iirc |
| 22:52.31 | CR0W | DocScrutinizer05: What do you mean by "then stuff gone terribly haywire iirc"? |
| 22:52.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh Maxdamantusalready said exactly same |
| 22:53.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc we seen some process who used toread from that sysnode spinning busy and eating 100% cpu |
| 22:53.26 | CR0W | Anyway, I'll try that. What is the name of the phone app exec so I can kill it? |
| 22:53.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll notice via top ;-) |
| 22:53.51 | CR0W | Okay. |
| 22:54.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | or worst case, a reboot will safe you, until you make that mount in initscripts, which is what didn't work iirc |
| 22:54.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | save* |
| 22:54.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | most likely though, Maxdamantus been right with his guess about mce |
| 22:55.31 | CR0W | What's mce? |
| 22:55.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | in which case you could use your own version of mce instead of a custom patched kernel |
| 22:55.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mce |
| 22:55.42 | infobot | MCE = Machine Check Exception. Mode Control Entity |
| 22:55.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latter |
| 22:56.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 22:56.08 | CR0W | So it's userland? |
| 22:56.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 22:56.23 | CR0W | That would be safer to modify then. |
| 22:56.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | could also be kerecv |
| 22:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.15 | CR0W | rtcomm-call-ui? |
| 22:58.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe, but unlikely |
| 22:58.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | most maemo apps use some sort of middleware |
| 22:58.59 | CR0W | Damn, it's rerun after kill. |
| 22:59.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | what?mce? |
| 23:00.26 | Maxdamantus | Hmm .. you tried it for the back cover magnet sensor? |
| 23:00.27 | CR0W | No, that process I mentioned. |
| 23:00.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | which process did you mention? |
| 23:00.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maxdamantus: yep |
| 23:00.50 | CR0W | DocScrutinizer05: the proximity sensor has open or closed in uncovered state? |
| 23:01.00 | CR0W | DocScrutinizer05: rtcomm-call-ui |
| 23:01.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | open afaik |
| 23:01.09 | Maxdamantus | I think the SD device is made invisible by the kernel, so it would just prevent userspace from realising the device went missing. |
| 23:01.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, rtcom-call-ui gets preloaded by hildon |
| 23:01.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's nearly impossible to shut it down, you need to edit the .desktop file |
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| 23:02.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maxdamantus: I can't follow |
| 23:03.04 | CR0W | DocScrutinizer05: I mounted a tmpfs over proximity and added state and disable files with the right contents. I'll kill the process and see. |
| 23:03.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 23:03.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't kill such processes too often, or you'll see a reboot |
| 23:04.12 | CR0W | Damn, it works! |
| 23:04.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | until next boot. toldya |
| 23:04.32 | CR0W | So now, I just need to add this to the init system. |
| 23:04.56 | CR0W | I don't know how it works on debian, can I get a quick guide? :) |
| 23:06.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | last time adding it to sysinit caused massive trouble |
| 23:06.02 | Maxdamantus | DocScrutinizer05: in the omap_hsmmc driver, there's a omap_hsmmc_protect_card function that checks whether the cover is open. |
| 23:06.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno why |
| 23:06.38 | Maxdamantus | which obviously doesn't work through sysfs |
| 23:06.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | err yup, that too |
| 23:06.56 | CR0W | Maxdamantus: hey, thanks. So I need to change this function and rebuild the kernel to "fix" the hall sensor. |
| 23:07.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are patched kernel modules anyway |
| 23:09.03 | Maxdamantus | CR0W: I don't know. I'm just pretty sure you need to do something like that to fix the effects of the back cover sensor. |
| 23:09.20 | Maxdamantus | because the effects are in the kernel, rather than in userspace. |
| 23:09.34 | CR0W | I'm guessing that sensor being broken or magnet missing is a common issue. |
| 23:10.15 | CR0W | DocScrutinizer05: is there a source for that? |
| 23:10.36 | Maxdamantus | I think there's a common fix to the magnet missing thing though: add another magnet. |
| 23:10.45 | Maxdamantus | dunno what the stand feels like without the magnet. |
| 23:10.53 | Maxdamantus | feels nice with it, because it snaps onto the back. |
| 23:11.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maxdamantus: (efects in kernel) both kernel and userland effects |
| 23:11.46 | Maxdamantus | would disable the sensor anyway if he ends up using a newer kernel, because he'd also use btrfs across the SD card and eMMC. |
| 23:12.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | CR0W: I'm not sure about source available |
| 23:12.40 | CR0W | DocScrutinizer05: I'll figure it out, thanks. |
| 23:12.57 | CR0W | Now I know that that proxmity sensor "fix" won't do. |
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| 23:13.32 | CR0W | Because when the screen is locked now, the phone app unlocks it, so I could receive a call in a pocket. |
| 23:13.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, possibly the card had io errors while userland thought it should be available |
| 23:13.56 | CR0W | Does that app have source available? |
| 23:14.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | according to Maxdamantus reasoning |
| 23:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | which app? |
| 23:16.22 | CR0W | The phone call one. |
| 23:16.48 | CR0W | I would make it ignore the proximity sensor. |
| 23:17.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | rtcom-call-ui. nope. and there's more than just rtcomm-call-ui to it when doing a phonecall. Not trivial to even spot what needed "fixing" |
| 23:18.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd honestly rather fix the hw |
| 23:18.51 | CR0W | I'm working on that. |
| 23:19.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | a flex cable is pretty cheap |
| 23:19.30 | CR0W | If the charge indicator, front camera, proximity sensor are all dead, it's most likely flex, right? |
| 23:19.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 23:19.54 | CR0W | It's weird the LCD works, I guess the flex is damaged in that left part only. |
| 23:20.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | possible |
| 23:20.48 | CR0W | I found a "factory new original" one, but a few persons had trouble with the seller and I'm worried I'll join them. |
| 23:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | one broken VDD or GND line may suffice to cause all those errors |
| 23:21.07 | CR0W | So now my strategy is to buy a more broken N900 for spare parts. |
| 23:21.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's nonsense particularly for flex cable |
| 23:21.33 | CR0W | I wonder if it's something that could be fixed by tape. |
| 23:21.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 23:22.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | flex cables for N900 sources are legion on fleabay |
| 23:22.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for a 7 bucks, your risk is manageable ;-) |
| 23:22.57 | CR0W | I'd rather not buy something from abroad, but I'll think about it. |
| 23:24.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd send you one of my spares, but I'm afraid I can't afford to package and pay the porto to compete with what it costs in china |
| 23:26.23 | Maxdamantus | the thing the flex cable connects to on the motherboard is they bit you were unsure about obtaining for a while, isn't it? |
| 23:27.06 | Maxdamantus | so there are people actually manufacturing the female side, but not the male side? |
| 23:27.23 | Maxdamantus | maybe other way around |
| 23:27.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 23:27.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | but we found that connector |
| 23:28.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | also I doubt anybody is building new flex cables now |
| 23:28.59 | Maxdamantus | Ah. |
| 23:29.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | might even be original Nokia spare parts |
| 23:29.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | though some flex come with camera fake, those for sure are mo original Nokia parts ;-) |
| 23:29.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | no* |
| 23:30.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | we should've started that Neo900 project a year earlier, would've made a lot of things easier for us |
| 23:31.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | the connector got EOL'ed a mere 2 months before we started searching for it |
| 23:32.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | but we found a source that's supposed to have another 10k or maybe more on stock |
| 23:33.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | so if our 1000 don't suffice... |
| 23:33.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...we will order more of them |
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| 23:46.22 | Bernte | Anybody knows the most up-to-date OS version number for an N900? |
| 23:53.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr131 |
| 23:53.05 | infobot | [combined] the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin (or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/ ) |
| 23:53.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka 21.2011.38-1 |
| 23:54.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply cssu-testing-9? |
| 23:56.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 23:56.34 | infobot | rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 23:56.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Latest version: Testing(2014-01-01): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1 |
| 23:57.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | which probably is as recent as it gets |
| 23:57.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, as up-to-date as it gets |
| 23:58.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Bernte: ^^^ |
| 23:58.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: literal pr131 |
| 23:58.57 | infobot | "pr131" is "<reply>see combined" |
| 23:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: literal combined |
| 23:59.10 | infobot | "combined" is "the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin (or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/ )" |
| 23:59.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 23:59.48 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |