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01:04.56T_Xanyone using the BackupMenu here? currently trying to reset the calibration with that one somehow
01:06.14T_XUSB Mass Storage Mode doesn't seem to offer the root partition, only /home/ (sdb2) and MyDocs/ (sdb1)
01:06.42T_Xand with ssh mode my usual root password does not seem to work somehow
01:07.10T_Xneither does the root console, that one doesn't accept my password either
01:25.33T_Xor actually it does accept my password but seems to say "can't execute '/bin/bash': no such file or directory
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01:27.40merlin1991T_X: did you maybe swap the shell but uninstalled bash?
01:29.03T_Xdunno. if so then quite a while ago
01:29.23T_Xthough I think I had written some scripts explicitly using /bin/bash, too
01:30.02T_Xmerlin1991: but not sure about it
01:31.55T_Xhm, I'm going to create a backup of the root partition. maybe that'll help figuring out what's wrong
01:32.49T_Xand maybe I can modify and reinsert that one via the BackupMenu, let's see
01:58.08Maxdamantusthe root "partition" is on ubi, not on a block device.
01:58.41Maxdamantusbut even if it were on a block device, you'd want to be careful sharing it if it's mounted rw.
01:59.54MaxdamantusT_X: there's a recovery image that might be useful.
02:00.31T_XMaxdamantus: careful not to break something? or careful publishing it?
02:00.44MaxdamantusT_X: http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/
02:01.14MaxdamantusT_X: you can boot that kernel and initramfs in RAM, so you get to a shell without modifying the flash.
02:01.32MaxdamantusT_X: then you can try mounting the root filesystem and chrooting into it and changing your password, etc
02:02.43T_XMaxdamantus: ah, awesome, that sounds great! thanks, will have a look at it
02:03.09Maxdamantusor changing your shell, as that sounds like the problem in your case.
02:04.49T_Xtotall different question: does anyone else having trouble to register on talk.maemo.org?
02:05.13T_XI'm always getting a "You have left a required field blank." even though I've made a tick to accept the forum rules
02:06.44Maxdamantushasn't registered, so will try it.
02:07.22MaxdamantusMm. Happens here too.
02:07.40MaxdamantusIt's before there are even any forms. Just a tickbox for the rules.
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02:13.00Maxdamantuson another note, is it possible to disable the menu that pops up in Maemo when you connect it to a computer using USB?
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02:18.05Mike11DocScrutinizer05 , sorry for disturbing , are you there?
02:18.18DocScrutinizer05sure
02:18.32Mike11lol :D , nice :)
02:18.58Mike11a couple of days I wrote about my n900, which I put some paper instead of the spring fix
02:19.08Mike11if you remember :)
02:19.38T_XMaxdamantus, merlin1991: hm, /bin/bash seems to exist in the rootfs. at least it's there in the tar archive made via BackupMenu
02:19.41Mike11after putting the paper , the phone is able to read its IMEI
02:19.53MaxdamantusT_X: is it a symlink?
02:20.11MaxdamantusT_X: if it's a symlink, it might not be resolved.
02:20.28DocScrutinizer05Mike11: yes
02:20.31MaxdamantusT_X: if not, the "not found" probably means a dynamically linked object is missing.
02:20.55MaxdamantusT_X: if you have access to another shell (doesn't need to be root), try doing: ldd /bin/bash
02:20.57Mike11but it cannot connect to the GSM network
02:21.06Mike11sorry I was searching for the exact error message
02:21.09T_XMaxdamantus: it's not a symlink. file ./bin/bash -> ./bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, stripped
02:21.19T_Xok, will go hunting for a missign library then
02:21.29Maxdamantusyou just need to run the command I said
02:21.52Maxdamantusif `ldd` refers to the correct ld-linux, it should list what libraries are missing.
02:21.55Maxdamantusand which are found.
02:22.20Maxdamantusif it refers to the wrong ld-linux, it'll probably say file not found again.
02:22.43Mike11first of all when booting the phone up it says  "Unable to establish network connection. Contact service"
02:23.18Mike11if I go to settings->phone it freezes for a while then says "Cellular network not available"
02:23.29DocScrutinizer05modem defect
02:23.55Mike11it does not ask for the PIN when I put the SIM in it!
02:24.16DocScrutinizer05since that's not a valid normal operation mode, the error messages are bogus
02:24.36Mike11my SIM is locked, and other phones ask for PIN
02:24.45DocScrutinizer05modem defect
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02:25.15Mike11sorry for my ignorance, is the modem responsible for reading the SIM too?
02:25.24DocScrutinizer05yes, sure
02:26.19Mike11can I try anything to fix this? something like the spring fix :p
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02:26.44Mike11or is the only solution replacement?
02:26.48DocScrutinizer05the spring fix is exactly the method that's trying to fix this
02:27.40Mike11would you please correct me , and tell me what CMT is?
02:27.44DocScrutinizer05some repair shop could *try* to reflow the modem chips
02:28.04Mike11I thought it was CMT fault, because I was not able to reflash
02:28.04DocScrutinizer05cellular modem trallallla
02:28.27Mike11so now part of the modem is working and other parts do not?
02:28.33DocScrutinizer05or rather "telephone"
02:28.40DocScrutinizer05or "terminal"
02:29.12DocScrutinizer05I don't see much indication that *amy* part of modem works
02:29.17DocScrutinizer05any even
02:29.42Mike11if I try the fix again ie remove the paper and put them again , does that have any chance in fixing things up?
02:29.52DocScrutinizer05yes
02:29.57DocScrutinizer05a small one
02:30.33Mike11mmmm, thanks a lot DocScrutinizer05 :D , and sorry for disturbing :)
02:30.45DocScrutinizer05no problem, glad to help
02:31.25T_XMaxdamantus: readelf says, that bin/bash needs libncurses.so.5, libdl.so.2, libgcc_s.so.1 and libc.so.6. which all seem to be there in the rootfs backup
02:31.30Mike11another thing is the spring fix thing just for trying to avoid reflowing the chip??
02:31.51MaxdamantusT_X: you should do it within the OS.
02:32.00MaxdamantusT_X: the ldd command.
02:32.04DocScrutinizer05Mike11: yes
02:32.53DocScrutinizer05Mike11: but actually such mainboard has to be considered damaged beyond economic repair
02:33.38DocScrutinizer05reflow, springs, all just makeshift desperate efforts to use the modem a few months longer
02:33.39MaxdamantusT_X: you could alternatively try extracting the tar then using qemu-user to chroot into it as you run the ldd command, on another computer.
02:33.49Maxdamantus(if the computer isn't already ARM)
02:33.59DocScrutinizer05well, reflow has a small chance to permamnently fix
02:34.15Mike11good :)
02:34.34Mike11is reflowing too dangerous on other chip components
02:34.35Mike11??
02:34.37DocScrutinizer05but an even higher chance to damage the board completely
02:34.43DocScrutinizer05yes
02:34.53Mike11same question :)
02:35.13DocScrutinizer05it's quite difficult to do proper reflow that has chances to fix stuff and not break it
02:35.57Mike11can spring fix damage the thing completely too?
02:36.10DocScrutinizer05as a last effort it's maybe worth it when you can find a repair shop that's really good at SMD BGA reflow and not too expensive
02:36.17Mike11I mean, can it be that I damaged my modem trying to fix it?
02:36.24DocScrutinizer05spring fix shouldn't damage much
02:37.04Mike11I don't think I can find such shops in my area :(
02:37.10DocScrutinizer05I can't answer that question. Modem defects caused by PCB bending, usually by pressing keys on kbd too hard
02:37.30Mike11If I found some shop , I would have to tell him what chips exactly to reflow
02:37.45DocScrutinizer05PCB can get bent by a number of activities, incl some involved in repair
02:37.54DocScrutinizer05yes
02:38.25Mike11I have put paper under the three squares on the main board
02:38.43DocScrutinizer05that's the rapuyama chip. aka BB5, the one with a lobster on the printing
02:38.49Mike11and the couldn't be closed firmly after the paper was there
02:39.09DocScrutinizer05and its companion chip, next to it
02:39.47Mike11so I closed the whole cover with that inside metal cover still open on two sides of the square
02:40.04DocScrutinizer05that won't last for long
02:40.20Mike11do you think I damaged the PCB?
02:40.22DocScrutinizer05that's the reason to use springs instead paper
02:40.40DocScrutinizer05I dunno, I can't answer that question
02:40.52Mike11can I put any piece of iron instead of springs?
02:41.00DocScrutinizer05o.O
02:41.11DocScrutinizer05rather use some elastic rubber foam
02:41.48Mike11sorry I misunderstand what springs are in my lang :p
02:42.01DocScrutinizer05do you know ballpen?
02:42.40Mike11yes, the ones with a button to get the head in and out, right?
02:43.14DocScrutinizer05when you disassemble it, a spring will be found
02:43.29DocScrutinizer05made of thin elastic wire
02:43.55Mike11is that the size of spring I should use?
02:44.10DocScrutinizer05a short piece of it, yes
02:44.36DocScrutinizer05~springfix
02:44.41DocScrutinizer05hmmm
02:44.58DocScrutinizer05~listvalues talk.maemo
02:45.19DocScrutinizer05~listvalues spring
02:45.24Mike11so a short piece of it, in the center of th?e IC ?
02:45.29DocScrutinizer05~listkeys spring
02:45.33Mike11each IC?***
02:45.55DocScrutinizer05yes
02:46.14DocScrutinizer05and fix it so it doesn't slip out of location
02:46.43DocScrutinizer05search tmo for springfix
02:46.54DocScrutinizer05there are some pictures afaik
02:47.12Mike11I 'll do thanks , I saw some of them while putting the paper
02:47.15DocScrutinizer05~fixmodem
02:47.21DocScrutinizer05~fixcmt
02:47.26DocScrutinizer05~fixSIM
02:47.31DocScrutinizer05MEH!
02:47.50DocScrutinizer05~tmo
02:47.50infoboti heard tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.
02:48.00Mike11I have chosen paper because I didn't have the substance to fix it
02:48.37Mike11I 'll buy some and try to fix , thanks again for the help :D
02:48.53DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53335&highlight=springs+modem
02:49.00T_XMaxdamantus: for qemu-arm, do you know whether there's a way to combine it with some chrooting?
02:50.07MaxdamantusT_X: you might need to copy qemu-arm and the libraries it depends on into the chroot.
02:50.16T_Xalso "sudo qemu-arm ./usr/bin/ldd ./bin/bash" throws this error: Error while loading ./usr/bin/ldd: Exec format error
02:51.09T_Xah, it's a script, ldd
02:52.05MaxdamantusT_X: try: qemu-arm ./lib/ld-linux.so.3 ./bin/bash
02:52.26Maxdamantusthough it's not going to try reading the correct libraries if it works.
02:52.43Maxdamantuscan you not access a shell on the device at all?
02:52.45DocScrutinizer05HERE WE ARE! \o/
02:53.02DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1243160#post1243160 <-springfix
02:53.09DocScrutinizer05Mike11: ^^^
02:54.44T_XMaxdamantus: currently, not that I know of
02:54.46T_Xwait
02:54.46DocScrutinizer05~springfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1243160#post1243160  and http://www.jabawok.net/?p=14
02:54.47infobotokay, DocScrutinizer05
02:55.32T_XI think I just found the password in ./etc/passwd again, some random chars. I swear, for ssh I've always been using a different one
02:56.39T_Xoh wait, that's probably the md5sum of it, hm
02:56.43DocScrutinizer05I think the password in etc/passwd is a hash
02:57.22Mike11cool DocScrutinizer05 , I followed http://www.jabawok.net/?p=14 while doing the job last time, but replaced springs with paper :p
02:57.51Mike11yes /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow are hashes
02:58.00Mike11they can be cracked with john
02:58.09DocScrutinizer05shadow doesn't exist in maemo
02:58.25DocScrutinizer05T_X: try rootme
03:00.26DocScrutinizer05anyway, your shell in etc/passwd shouldn't be bash
03:00.45DocScrutinizer05particularly not for user
03:01.26DocScrutinizer05at least that's antique ferry tale
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03:01.53T_XDocScrutinizer05: it's not rootme. john helped me to verify
03:02.02DocScrutinizer05:)
03:02.06T_Xit's the first 8 characters of the password i had chosen
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03:02.18DocScrutinizer05:nod:
03:03.04T_Xactually, that's always been bogging me. the password I had set was 10 characters long. and for ssh logins I was always able to use the first eight chars of it -
03:03.13T_Xplus any other random characters appended :(
03:03.29T_Xmaybe the ssh-server in backupmenu isn't that nice, let me check
03:03.32T_X"nice"
03:04.50DocScrutinizer05man crypt
03:07.12DocScrutinizer05man 3 crypt|less +'/Traditional DES-based'
03:07.39DocScrutinizer05Maximum password length
03:07.41DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
03:08.50T_Xso, now DocScrutinizer05 I don't have that in my man 3 crypt (Debian Sid)
03:08.59T_X-so now
03:09.06DocScrutinizer05hmm
03:10.13T_Xjohn was telling me though: Warning: MaxLen = 13 is too large for the current hash type, reduced to 8
03:11.17DocScrutinizer05http://stuff.onse.fi/man?program=crypt&section=3
03:12.44T_Xanyways, I have the correct password for the root account. /bin/bash is set in passwd. /bin/bash exists
03:13.09T_Xthe root partition seems to be mounted, too, at least backupmenu can loads it's stuff from /usr/share/backupmenu
03:13.13Maxdamantustry something other than /bin/bash in the ssh command.
03:13.21Maxdamantusssh root@foo /bin/sh
03:13.29DocScrutinizer05you SHOULD NOT set /bin/bash as shell in /etc/passwd
03:13.31DocScrutinizer05~2119
03:13.31infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.
03:13.46Maxdamantusthough I have a feeling that might just be run using the default shell.
03:18.25T_Xhrm, still "permission denied"
03:18.59T_Xwith things like "ssh root@192.168.2.15 /bin/bash" or "ssh root@192.168.2.15 /bin/lsmod"
03:19.07Maxdamantuswait, permission denied now?
03:19.14T_Xor /bin/sh (which is a symlink to busybox
03:19.27T_Xyep, permission denied
03:19.58Maxdamantusthat probably means the executable bit isn't set.
03:20.17Maxdamantusbut .. how would you have booted the system?
03:20.45T_Xthe executable bit is set for /bin/bash
03:20.52T_X-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 599K Jan 11  2010 ./bin/bash
03:22.06T_Xdoes backupmenu use some alternative sshd_config maybe?
03:22.24T_Xwhich might have a "PermitRootLogin no"?
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04:00.43DocScrutinizer05backupmenu uses its completely own set of executables
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07:11.51hxkaBackupmenu copies some files into tmpfs and chroots into it
07:13.11hxkaSo it doesn't have "/bin/bash"
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08:00.35int_uaWhere is that f***ing osso-backup stores the backups?
08:02.10hxkaIn MyDocs
08:02.17ApicOr on the microSD
08:02.25ApicYou can select that AFAIR
08:02.36int_uawhere exactly&
08:02.38int_ua?
08:02.42hxkaIn the "backups" subdirectory
08:03.10int_uano
08:03.15int_uanothing in here
08:03.49hxkahttp://i.imgur.com/ENCHJa8.png
08:03.53int_uaboth in MyDocs and /media/mmc1
08:03.56hxka:(
08:04.14int_uaoh
08:04.15int_uayeah
08:04.22int_uait's here, thanks a lot
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08:55.24solofighthello guys, i was earlier adviced here to update my kernel  ... [00:53:19] <solofight> whats the package name that i need to look for in the application manager [00:53:20] <solofight> ? [00:54:00] <DocScrutinizer05> Kernel for powerusers
08:57.12solofightwhen i search for 'Kernel for powe" in HAM, it gives me 3 options... Linux kernel for power user - with description "Linux kernel updater(kernel power 2.6.28.10)... other two with the same name but one says (boot image for u-boot) and another says (settings and overclock)
08:57.15solofightwhich one should i install ?
08:57.42solofightwithout breaking my system like last time (where i installed the power kernel and my phone almost got bricked :P)
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09:20.15Siceloinstall the other 2, except u-boot one..
09:20.29Siceloyou can leave the settings unchanged
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12:31.26alien2003Can somebody help me to compile this for Nokia N900? https://code.google.com/p/pidgin-opensteamworks/
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