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| 04:56.26 | solofight | hello all - earlier when i asked for a simulator for maemo they told me about a project which runs like a virtual box - but i found this for my n900 http://www.samontab.com/web/2011/01/how-to-create-your-first-application-for-the-nokia-n900-using-qt/ |
| 04:56.32 | solofight | why cant i use this ? |
| 04:57.22 | solofight | i want to build an application to see the accelerometers raw data |
| 04:57.36 | solofight | is there an app which already does this ? |
| 04:57.58 | robbiethe1st | um... I'd check if there's a device file you could cat |
| 04:58.04 | robbiethe1st | being linux and all |
| 04:58.22 | robbiethe1st | Or a dbus thing you can get it out of via shell script |
| 04:58.51 | robbiethe1st | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGoUOKLGNbE |
| 04:59.01 | robbiethe1st | ta-dah |
| 05:00.47 | solofight | robbiethe1st: :) thank you |
| 05:00.55 | robbiethe1st | Linux rocks! |
| 05:01.00 | solofight | :) |
| 05:01.31 | solofight | robbiethe1st: is ssh the only way to look at the file contents ? |
| 05:02.51 | robbiethe1st | Uh... |
| 05:02.53 | robbiethe1st | huh? |
| 05:03.09 | robbiethe1st | You've got a N900, right? so you've got the terminal app |
| 05:03.24 | robbiethe1st | So you can see the values locally |
| 05:03.45 | robbiethe1st | Or build a Python application to use them. Or a shell-script, depending on what you need |
| 05:03.57 | robbiethe1st | I'm not sure what you're trying to do. |
| 05:04.26 | robbiethe1st | If you just want to see the raw values, what that video's showing is probably fine. No need for ssh(remote access), you can do it all locally |
| 05:04.35 | solofight | robbiethe1st: i want to record the accelerometer data in a file and store it - thats it for phase 1 :_ |
| 05:04.38 | solofight | :) |
| 05:04.55 | solofight | robbiethe1st: understand thank you |
| 05:05.11 | solofight | robbiethe1st: is there any app you know of that map these values as a graph or something ? |
| 05:05.50 | robbiethe1st | I do not know. there's an app called 'altitude' or something like that; it's like a bubble-level |
| 05:06.02 | robbiethe1st | and you can watch the 'horizon' change as you move the device |
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| 08:24.55 | joga | http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-02-25-microsoft-appoints-stephen-elop-to-head-xbox |
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| 08:33.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders how many more "apps" using accelerometer will get "invented" |
| 08:33.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | there must be roundabout two dozen already |
| 08:36.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | @ solofight, robbiethe1st: how about http://maemo.org/packages/view/liqacceltests/ |
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| 08:48.08 | hxka | Who needs apps? |
| 08:48.13 | hxka | while tr " " , </sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord >>accelerometer.csv; do sleep 1; done |
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| 08:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends on what you want to see |
| 09:00.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for your solution I have a hard time figuring the actual sampling rate ;-) |
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| 09:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | the sleep 1 is maybe fine for very rough guesstimation if the hw works |
| 09:06.19 | hxka | well, gnu sleep supports decimal fractions such as 0.1 |
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| 09:07.01 | hxka | Stock busybox doesn't, though |
| 09:07.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | right, but that still doesn't create a reliable pace |
| 09:07.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | while sleep 1; do date; done |
| 09:08.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | will show a drift caused by execution times adding on top of the 1000ms pause |
| 09:10.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and particularly for accel you often rather want sample freq of 10 or 50 or even 400Hz, depending on what you're actually interested in. And then the execution time is significant compared to a e.g. sleep 0.0025 |
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| 09:16.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | (not in messybox) hail gnu-coreutils |
| 09:17.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# sleep --version |
| 09:17.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | sleep (GNU coreutils) 8.4 |
| 09:18.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# echo $PATH |
| 09:18.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 09:19.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | suddenly starts to wonder if that's correct, or rather first *all* sbin paths, only then *all* bin paths |
| 09:20.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW shouldn't /sbin override /usr/local/bin? |
| 09:21.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | (not that it's a commonly encountered problem) |
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| 09:22.31 | int_ua | Hi, what's the command to check the last time a user was seen here? |
| 09:22.41 | int_ua | ~seen joerg_rw |
| 09:22.44 | infobot | int_ua: i haven't seen 'joerg_rw' |
| 09:33.23 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer05, I'm fine, thanks :) |
| 09:34.05 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer05, I was guarding hospitals mainly, with rare exceptions |
| 09:34.13 | Maxdamantus | I don't think /sbin and /bin precedence are usually assumed over /usr/sbin and /usr/bin |
| 09:34.37 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer05, trying to make a site to gather all stories and translate them in English |
| 09:35.00 | Maxdamantus | the distinction is usually that programs in /bin and /sbin are only meant to refer to libraries in /lib and so are suitable for use in scripts that run before /usr is mounted or something. |
| 09:35.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | int_ua: hi! :-) glad to hear you're fine! |
| 09:35.23 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer05, ^_^ |
| 09:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | int_ua: ooh, and congrats! |
| 09:36.05 | SAiF | Doc was really concerned abt you.. I saw Doc asking for you a lot of times. :D |
| 09:36.19 | Maxdamantus | though I can see some violations of that in some binaries Gentoo has put in my /bin |
| 09:36.51 | Maxdamantus | only two. |
| 09:37.05 | SAiF | haha.. :D may be |
| 09:37.27 | SAiF | oops |
| 09:38.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | int_ua: good luck! a hard time is ahead of you all |
| 09:39.11 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer05, yeah, thanks a lot |
| 09:43.22 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer05, SAiF, I don't know about your local media, but there are a lot of misinformation here, especially in social networks. Information was was fierce. In short: right now it's safe in Kiev. Thanks again for your concern. |
| 09:43.48 | int_ua | s/Information was/Information war/ |
| 09:44.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think our info here in Germany is not all that filtered/biased |
| 09:44.09 | jaska | \o/ |
| 09:46.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | the TV reports in particular are not based on internet and/or Ukraine mass media, we got our own reporters there |
| 09:47.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | so except a internet photo showing a sniper on a roof, I don't think I've seen lot of stuff that might be tainted by any local group's biasing |
| 09:50.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm most concerned about Putin and the Georgia plot right now |
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| 09:51.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and about Krim |
| 09:53.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I so much hope that EU will shut up and pass over a fraction of the money they spent for saving banks during last years - without starting to put up insane conditions (like for Greece) right away |
| 09:54.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/put/set/ |
| 09:58.23 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer05, well, I personally don't really care about Krim. I think that even if Russia will start a war it will happen only in some years. Maybe this summer. And anyway it will be very unwise and unlikely. |
| 10:01.02 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer05, AFAIU the main problems is not money but energy. Most part of Ukrainian industry depends on Russian gas. Ok, leaving now, thanks again for your support ^_^ |
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| 10:05.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, gas is 80% subsidized by government, I heard |
| 10:06.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it will go 5 times the price now |
| 10:07.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and government kitty is empty, so all social expense will be very hard to sustain: pensions, healthcare, and so on |
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| 10:08.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | as well as payment for all "employees" of authorities |
| 10:11.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure about Krim, but to me it seems there's a lot of Russians living there, and those are not exactly happy now and already start asking for Russian military intervention, also going militant themselves. I emphasize that's what I *think* is going on there, the data on that isn't very confirmed |
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| 10:22.05 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer05, yes, that's exactly what is going on. They are being misinformed a lot too. In particular they mostly don't know that Ukrainian nationalist were only a fraction of protesters turning smaller and smaller every time government started violence. There are at least one anarchist that died , a friend of my friends. And a lot of others with very different opinions. |
| 10:23.13 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer05, BTW, that anarchist was from Krim. |
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| 10:49.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | int_ua: I feel with you. |
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| 10:52.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | extremists taking over a broad public movement is a very common and severe threat to all such movements. See for example muslim brothers |
| 10:53.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's difficult to exclude those groups and isolate them, so they don't taint the whole movement |
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| 11:05.12 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer05, yeah, totally agree |
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| 11:48.34 | Maxdamantus | (note that anarchism isn't necessarily an unreasonable stance to take) |
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| 12:15.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maxdamantus: anarchism is not bad per se, it's what the term's meaning became over time that's kinda perverted |
| 12:16.37 | zGrr | moin :) |
| 12:17.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never cared but maybe that is the best prove my friends are right when they call me an anarchist |
| 12:17.05 | Raimu | Lots of movements have had a redefinition of their name into meaning something crappy |
| 12:17.11 | Raimu | O at least different |
| 12:17.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | see "hacker" |
| 12:17.33 | Raimu | Yes |
| 12:17.36 | Raimu | Exactly |
| 12:17.45 | Raimu | Also vandal, goth, feminist even |
| 12:17.57 | Raimu | "Socialist" for the USA |
| 12:18.12 | zGrr | Problem with the anarchism is, that worst kind of scum gets into power on the back of the anarchists and their noble ideas. |
| 12:19.08 | Raimu | This tends to happen no matter what good cause |
| 12:19.16 | Veggen | zGrr: Same as communism, really. Not bad ideas, but noone has actually got the ideas implemented right. |
| 12:20.24 | Veggen | Who can disagree that everyone should work and partipate according to their ability, and in return get stuff and services according to their needs? It's easy to agree with :) |
| 12:20.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 12:20.53 | Maxdamantus | I'm not sure there have really been any actual anarchist movements recently (assuming anarchism is the disapproval of hierarchy, rather than the disregard of authority) |
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| 12:22.24 | Maxdamantus | (ones that have resulted in significant shifts of perception or power) |
| 12:22.42 | zGrr | Veggen: it is not the same. |
| 12:22.48 | zGrr | Veggen: communism is evil. |
| 12:22.53 | Veggen | zGrr: why? |
| 12:23.14 | zGrr | Veggen: look what communist did to anarchists in Spain in thirties. |
| 12:23.33 | Veggen | zGrr: the implementations, not the ideas. |
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| 12:25.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | no matter if you call it communism, solcialism, capitalism, *ism, in the end it all turns into a mess thanks to a few greedy assholes |
| 12:25.58 | Veggen | DocS: exactly. It's not the ideas that are evil per se, it's just that there will always be greedy assholes that makes it not work as intended. |
| 12:26.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | but probably greediness is a necessary component of all life |
| 12:27.47 | Maxdamantus | Look what communist did to communist (from Russia) in Mexico in thirties. |
| 12:28.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe life is not only the survival of the fittest but just so often the survival of the greediest |
| 12:29.10 | zGrr | Communism brought poverty and death everywhere |
| 12:29.26 | zGrr | Look what communims did to China. |
| 12:29.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the end yes, since nobody had an interest to work anymore |
| 12:30.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | since all man is greedy |
| 12:30.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and in communism it#s hard to satisfy greediness |
| 12:31.39 | Maxdamantus | especially when maintaining large militaries and being involved in lots of wars. |
| 12:32.19 | Maxdamantus | dunno how much that had a part in it, but obviously depressions were created in other countries too. |
| 12:33.19 | zGrr | Maybe because the social part of the human nature is worse than individualistic. |
| 12:33.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, there's a reason why even china finally went capitalism with a thin camouflage of communism |
| 12:33.48 | zGrr | It did not |
| 12:34.40 | Maxdamantus | it did, where it mattered. |
| 12:34.41 | zGrr | It is still a communist state rulled by the ruthless hand of the CPC |
| 12:35.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but just to make those party asshats rich |
| 12:35.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and last I checked they allow private business now |
| 12:35.49 | Maxdamantus | in certain areas. |
| 12:35.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | so their economy already turned capitalism |
| 12:36.13 | zGrr | Mainly by corruption and expropriation. |
| 12:36.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | most evil form of early wild west capitalism |
| 12:36.38 | zGrr | it doesn't look like capitalims at all. |
| 12:36.47 | zGrr | It looks more like a feudal system |
| 12:37.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's a matter of definition of "capitalism" |
| 12:37.37 | zGrr | you're right |
| 12:37.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, in china you prolly still need to be member of "the party" to do big business |
| 12:37.59 | zGrr | modern capitalism looks less and less similar to oldschool |
| 12:38.15 | zGrr | We have now capitalism without capitalists. |
| 12:38.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | mostly, yes |
| 12:38.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hedgefonds and baks do that now |
| 12:38.47 | zGrr | We have rulling class managing corporations that belong to other people. |
| 12:38.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | baks even |
| 12:38.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn!! |
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| 12:38.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | baNks |
| 12:39.28 | zGrr | irresponsibly, because it never belongs to them, or they just have small stakes in it. |
| 12:39.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have to run. o/ |
| 12:39.59 | zGrr | byebye |
| 12:41.55 | zGrr | We have oligarchism. |
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