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| 02:02.13 | Maxdamantus | Hmm .. so how do you make the N900 charge .. if you're an OS? |
| 02:03.25 | Maxdamantus | loading the bq2415x_charger module causes the orange light to go on, but it doesn't pulsate, and bq27200-0/status says "Discharging" |
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| 02:05.07 | Maxdamantus | ah, apparently you need to do some stuff with i2c |
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| 02:14.47 | Maxdamantus | actually, reloading teh module seems to indicate it's already charging. |
| 02:14.52 | Maxdamantus | the battery module. |
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| 13:05.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maxdamantus: charging gets either handled by bme (usual common way how it's done in fremantle), or you try to use Pali's bme-replacement (though I guess it's still not ready for prime time) |
| 13:07.49 | Maxdamantus | Okay. |
| 13:08.31 | Maxdamantus | I was actually in a shell/etc in the 3.14-rc1 n900 branch, and didn't have a full Maemo running. |
| 13:09.31 | Maxdamantus | it was apparently not actually charging—when I rebooted back into 2.6.28/Maemo I noticed my battery was on 0.4% |
| 13:11.10 | Maxdamantus | there were two battery modules .. one said status=Charging, the other said status=Discharging .. not sure what the Charging one would've referred to then. |
| 13:11.38 | Maxdamantus | maybe the battery that makes it remember the time when the other battery's removed. |
| 13:12.24 | Maxdamantus | bq27x00_battery vs. rx51_battery .. /me Googles. |
| 13:12.50 | merlin1991 | Maxdamantus: I'd read the bme replacement thread on tmo |
| 13:13.10 | merlin1991 | but iirc rx51_battery is the module that reports data from the battery and is not directly related to charging |
| 13:15.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maxdamantus: nope, the bupbat is not monitored at all |
| 13:16.22 | merlin1991 | yeah rx51_battery only gives information like capacity temperature ... |
| 13:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally you should not try to mess with batery charging unless you know what you're doing. it's a quite fundamental function in fremantle and you can't just toss some kernel modules at it and hope it starts charging |
| 13:18.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle stock has _no_ kernel modules for all that |
| 13:19.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | bme talking to bq27200 (battery gauge) and bq24150 (USB battery charger) directly via I2C |
| 13:21.24 | Maxdamantus | Do similar devices normally work that way—where the software has to actually make the charger do something? |
| 13:21.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | any "battery module" reporting charge is supposed to either use similar direct i2c method (like e.g bq27k-detail2 and bq27200.sh is doing), or - the stock one - is made so it asks bme about battery status (via some indirections), or some are using a kernel module like bq27x00_battery that then does the i2c chat to the chip, but also breaks bme trying to do same thing |
| 13:22.01 | Maxdamantus | it seems like it would be advantageous in a few situations, but Nokia didn't provide the ability to have it plugged into USB without charging, did they? |
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| 13:23.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't see why anybody would want to plug USB without starting to charge battery |
| 13:23.43 | Maxdamantus | if you wanted to connect it to a laptop for data purposes, but didn't want to drain the laptop's battery. |
| 13:23.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | however when you want to do that, the solution is pretty easy: |
| 13:23.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | stop bme |
| 13:24.08 | troulouliou_dev | hi is it possible when securing the device; to prevent the "switch off" option when touching the upper surface of the screen |
| 13:24.18 | troulouliou_dev | i always finish with a switched off device in my pocket ... |
| 13:26.03 | wnd | if you always lock/secure the device, perhaps you should enable autolock |
| 13:27.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't get it |
| 13:28.09 | wnd | hmm. neither do I. settings/device lock doesn't have an option to "secure" the device as soon as the touch screen is locked/disabled. |
| 13:28.28 | wnd | nevermind then |
| 13:28.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you're talking about powerbutton-menu - I guess there must be a way to configure what menu entries are(n't) offered on that menu |
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| 13:29.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | googling for something like 2customizing powerbutton menu" should give you a general direction where to find the solution |
| 13:29.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/2/"/ |
| 13:30.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway always just uses slider lockswitch instead of powerbutton menu |
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| 13:32.03 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, i mean when the device is secure |
| 13:32.09 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, you can touch the screen |
| 13:32.30 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, and it display a dialog "Do you want to shut down the device YES/NO" |
| 13:32.36 | troulouliou_dev | i want to disable that option |
| 13:32.45 | wnd | oh, I get it now too. that's awful. |
| 13:32.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I dunno since I never use device lockcode |
| 13:33.09 | troulouliou_dev | ha ok |
| 13:33.27 | troulouliou_dev | each time my child play wit the phone it is switch off cause of this |
| 13:33.31 | troulouliou_dev | somtimes in the pocket too |
| 13:33.34 | troulouliou_dev | thats boting |
| 13:33.37 | troulouliou_dev | boring |
| 13:33.42 | Maxdamantus | hasn't either. |
| 13:33.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | if lockcode entry screen has an option to shutdown device, that's for sure something that should get fixed |
| 13:34.01 | Maxdamantus | would probably just make up his own unlocking mechanism if he wanted to use one. |
| 13:34.27 | Maxdamantus | if it's just a code, presumably someone can see what you're meant to do over your shoulder. |
| 13:34.47 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, press power button -> secure device -> touch the screen above the virtual keyboard |
| 13:34.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | unlock entry screen is closed, but I guess it's easy to patch it so it can't shut down the device anymore |
| 13:35.14 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, and the dialog appear; press on yes by accident and the device is shut down |
| 13:35.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 13:35.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's for sure some dbus message - probably to dsme |
| 13:35.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | or to mce |
| 13:36.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | you probably can configure dbus so it doesn't allow that particular message |
| 13:36.20 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, so filtering it will be easier then re/patching you think ? |
| 13:37.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you patch the according binary so the dbus message receiver addr is just one incorrect char, like com.nokia.dsmf instead of com.nokia.dsme and you're done |
| 13:37.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather, patch the name of the method |
| 13:38.08 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, ok easy |
| 13:38.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | com/nokia/dsme/shutdown to com/nokia/dsme/shutdont |
| 13:39.07 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, is there a way to disable / move the desktop settings button that appear when clicking on usued desktop space ? |
| 13:39.27 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, when child play like 5 in with my n900 all widgets are deleteed/moved ... |
| 13:39.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but it's much harder |
| 13:39.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, wait |
| 13:40.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can block that desktop editing iirc, in tweakr |
| 13:40.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's definitely a way to lock that, at least in MHD |
| 13:40.43 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, MHD ? |
| 13:40.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | modified hildon desktop - what you get with cssu anyway |
| 13:41.19 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, ok it is installed by default when enabling cssu ? |
| 13:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 13:42.11 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, ok thabnks i don't have tweakr installed in fact ; installing atm thanks |
| 13:44.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | tweakr doesn't do it. I just checked |
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| 13:47.18 | Vrm1 | Hi, could anyone advise why not find wifi? Here is my screen http://goo.gl/QtIwpP |
| 13:48.51 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, ok |
| 13:50.12 | joga | Vrm1, perhaps no wifi near? sometimes it may help to put the device to offline mode and back |
| 13:50.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | troulouliou_dev: gconftool -R /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions |
| 13:50.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe |
| 13:50.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | now, for me. Will try "true" |
| 13:52.32 | Vrm1 | networks, there is enough, just the applet does not turn a nescanuje, it's a dumb, like airmon and airodump finds the net .. |
| 13:52.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | troulouliou_dev: enter this command: |
| 13:52.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/disable_edit -t bool true |
| 13:54.15 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, nice big thanks |
| 13:54.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 13:55.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | the gear icon still shows up when you touch the desktop background, but it doesn't do anything anymore |
| 13:55.35 | wnd | I just love switches, flags and options that have negation in the name ;-) |
| 13:56.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw you maybe need to restart hildon-desktop for this gconf switch to take effect |
| 13:56.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | wnd: ack |
| 13:56.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Bits, walking backwards |
| 13:56.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | brits even |
| 13:56.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 13:57.11 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, for the shutdown dbus tweak ; best way without scratchbox is to ssh / detectr process - bin location / find strings / edit in offline mode and update the bin |
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| 13:57.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, yes. prolly |
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| 13:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never looked into that device unlock screen and how it works |
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| 13:59.25 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, guess it is a dialog box from MHD |
| 13:59.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably not. But I'm not sure |
| 14:00.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | device lock is not genuine task of HD |
| 14:00.21 | troulouliou_dev | ok |
| 14:00.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's probably rather some weird type of "app" |
| 14:01.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and since it's closed source (I'm rather sure about that part) it can't be in HD since that's open |
| 14:01.41 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, HD is open ? nokia released the source code for it ? |
| 14:01.54 | troulouliou_dev | i tought it was a big blob |
| 14:01.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | what do you guess where from you get MHD? ;-) |
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| 14:02.24 | troulouliou_dev | a big reverse engineering work on it by all the geeks around here :) |
| 14:02.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually nope |
| 14:02.47 | hxka | It's mce, probably |
| 14:02.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | HD is open |
| 14:03.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | mce has no GUI |
| 14:03.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 14:03.32 | Vrm1 | joga> networks, there is enough, just the applet does not turn and seek, it's a dumb, like airmon and airodump finds the net .. |
| 14:03.40 | Vrm1 | joga> It works off the network just after rebooting the phone, I saved one network and the connection automatically, but then it does not let you choose another network |
| 14:04.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | unusual |
| 14:05.31 | joga | Vrm1, you said your keyb backlight also stopped working? |
| 14:06.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | since there are so many possible points of failure, and no known solution to this problem yet, probably your best option is to reflash and then step by step configure your device like it#s configured now, while after every step checking if the error got introduced by last step |
| 14:06.31 | Vrm1 | joga> yes, backlight also nothing, taking out the battery did not work |
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| 14:07.16 | joga | that sounds pretty strange.. |
| 14:07.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 14:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash! |
| 14:08.20 | Vrm1 | joga> I found one forum for advice, or purge unit .. |
| 14:08.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh? |
| 14:08.42 | joga | I guess that's what reflashing essentially does |
| 14:08.56 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, gconf trick works thanks !! |
| 14:09.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
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| 14:10.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | troulouliou_dev: just in case: to re-eanble it, use "false" instead of 2true" in that gconftool cmd |
| 14:10.21 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, figured that out :) |
| 14:10.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much :-d |
| 14:10.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 14:10.45 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, btw any news from the neo900 front ? |
| 14:11.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | much trouble with organization |
| 14:11.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm EE, not a business clerk |
| 14:11.51 | troulouliou_dev | ha still that mess ;( |
| 14:12.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and it starts killing me |
| 14:12.05 | troulouliou_dev | i remember those discussions a few month back |
| 14:12.07 | Vrm1 | joga> I wanted to somehow avoid the reflash, I have enough configured :) |
| 14:12.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vrm1: yes, and one of those configs is the one messing up stuff for you |
| 14:12.43 | joga | Vrm1, well, could be that some of that configuring actually caused it :) |
| 14:12.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-P |
| 14:13.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | so: |
| 14:13.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | since there are so many possible points of failure, and no known solution to this problem yet, probably your best option is to reflash and then step by step configure your device like it#s configured now, while after every step checking if the error got introduced by last step |
| 14:14.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | *we* don't kow *your* config |
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| 14:15.00 | Vrm1 | joga> Well, the last time it was just a long time, I only terminal in sshd and configure perl, the N900 is connected python, that perhaps I did not do anything. |
| 14:15.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | tries parsing that |
| 14:16.10 | hxka | troulouliou_dev: From mce's manpage: After this it will check if the user should be asked to enter the device lock code, and if so, the lock dialog osso-systemui-devlock will be started. |
| 14:16.57 | hxka | So it's osso-systemui-devlock |
| 14:17.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | look, you might *for example* have enabled cssu-devel repo, and recently some package got uploaded to that broken-by-definition repo and thus you unsolicited updated the binary and broke stuff |
| 14:17.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | osso-systemui-devlock, that's it |
| 14:18.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | hxka: where the heck did you find a mce manpage? |
| 14:18.49 | hxka | DocScrutinizer05: in mce package from Nokia's repos |
| 14:19.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, all hail to docpurge |
| 14:19.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | >:-( |
| 14:19.16 | troulouliou_dev | hxka, thanks |
| 14:19.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | is happy to have nuked docpurge recently, at last |
| 14:19.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 14:19.51 | infobot | [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 14:19.56 | hxka | Oh, I love docpurge |
| 14:20.15 | hxka | I especially love it when it conflicts with meamo-optify |
| 14:20.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#proper_bash_and_tools |
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| 14:22.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | F U docpurge |
| 14:24.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, my first linux system had enough manpages to keep me reading for a week or more, yet the *whole* system lived on a 55MB HDD |
| 14:25.22 | hxka | grep com. /usr/lib/systemui/libsystemuiplugin_devlock.so |
| 14:25.24 | hxka | type='signal',interface='com.nokia.csd.Call.Instance',member='CallStatus' |
| 14:25.25 | hxka | com.nokia.csd.Call.Instance |
| 14:25.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | glares at that 22MB locale.cache file |
| 14:25.55 | hxka | Apparently, it doesn't power off the device via dbus |
| 14:26.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hxka: it talks to mce, like you already found out |
| 14:26.35 | hxka | Or it does, but through some common library, which is used by something else |
| 14:27.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | it of course might just do a system("dsmetool --shutdown") or whatever |
| 14:28.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest to first run that osso-systemui-devlock under strace, logging to a file |
| 14:28.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you know for sure what it is that you want to patch |
| 14:28.28 | Vrm1 | joga> Well, stupid network that does not find it, I'm going to do the reflash .. |
| 14:28.40 | joga | good luck |
| 14:28.50 | Vrm1 | bye :) |
| 14:30.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if Vrm1 confused a #channel with a /query, or just has issued a /ignore +* -joga |
| 14:31.39 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, running from strace under a ssh term or using scratchbox env |
| 14:31.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever you prefer ;-) |
| 14:32.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd probably place a strace wrapper shellscript in place of original osso-systemui-devlock |
| 14:32.35 | hxka | It's a library |
| 14:32.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh |
| 14:32.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | friggin mess |
| 14:32.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | who's calling that lib then? |
| 14:33.56 | troulouliou_dev | strace -e -e trace=open is enough btw i think |
| 14:34.22 | troulouliou_dev | strace -e trace=open |
| 14:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_root_pr1-2_armel/osso-systemui-devlock/0.2.1.2+0m5/ closed blob, like I suspected |
| 14:38.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | also a nice exacple of maemo's dependency mess |
| 14:38.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | example even |
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| 14:39.26 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, after apt-get update i have this package : mp-fremantle-generic-pr in the "kept back" list |
| 14:39.29 | troulouliou_dev | is it normal ? |
| 14:39.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends |
| 14:40.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you got cssu installed, then generic isn't used anymore |
| 14:40.26 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, sorry i mistyped : mp-fremantle-community-pr |
| 14:40.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't, prolly |
| 14:41.29 | hxka | troulouliou_dev: What does apt-get -s install mp-fremantle-community-pr say? |
| 14:41.51 | troulouliou_dev | hxka, just install it :) |
| 14:42.14 | troulouliou_dev | hxka, guess something behind the odd or in apt confs don't want to install it by default |
| 14:42.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | troulouliou_dev: please don't give wrong advice |
| 14:43.18 | troulouliou_dev | hxka, i installed cssu on the old pwnie express rom with weaponised script above and tons of personnal mess/script ... |
| 14:43.30 | troulouliou_dev | i hope to find some time one day to reinstall it properly |
| 14:43.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | when cssu MP isn't installed or got deinstalled or locked or whatever, then there's some problem that needs get fixed |
| 14:44.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | you messed up your system and installing cssu MP via apt-get probably will mess it up even further |
| 14:45.34 | troulouliou_dev | DocScrutinizer05, still works like healthy baby with a never ending flu :) |
| 14:46.03 | troulouliou_dev | thanks guys have to go |
| 14:46.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | me too |
| 14:46.31 | hxka | DocScrutinizer05: no, it happened to me a few times without any problems |
| 14:46.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a paradox statement |
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| 14:47.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu MP not getting updates already *is* a problem |
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| 14:49.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and when installing CSSU properly would be just a matter of apt-get install mp-fremantle-cssu-pr, then why would we go through that hassle to have a pretty annoyingly complex installer for CSSU? |
| 14:50.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | MP is known to break when you install stuff like e.g. procps |
| 14:50.33 | hxka | No, when a newer version of package depends on something current version doen't depend on, apt-get update won't update it, and it's not a problem |
| 14:50.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then when you install MP, that conflicting package gets nuked |
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| 14:51.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | hxka: then how do you think CSSU updates are supposed to work? |
| 14:53.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I meant: there's a reason why CSSU says "USE HAM!" |
| 14:53.54 | hxka | aiui they are supposed to be updated via HAM |
| 14:54.31 | hxka | Which does the analogue of 'apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr', not 'apt-get update' |
| 14:54.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but that's not hardcoded to HAM |
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| 14:55.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and s/update/upgrade/ |
| 14:55.07 | hxka | yes |
| 14:55.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get upgrade is deprecated |
| 14:55.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | for exactly this reason |
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| 15:00.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | whole fremantle is just a huuuge metapackage. You don't want to update any package to a version that's not a dependency of mp-fremantle-*-pr |
| 15:01.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and apt-get upgrade would do exactly this, possibly breaking your system |
| 15:01.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle is no rolling release |
| 15:06.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly in cssu you *might* run into packages that will break the system when updated without matching other tweaks to the system, yet those packages have no appropriate dependencies to make sure those other tweaks are actually getting done when you would install via apt-get upgrade |
| 15:07.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | the dependencies are inplicit via MP |
| 15:09.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you were venturous (==silly) enough to permanently enable stuff like cssu-devel or other exotic repos, you definitely *will* run into such situation |
| 15:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a disabled / held-back mp-fremantle-community-pr might be an indication you already _did_ |
| 15:14.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | even extras-devel occasionally had a package that nuked everybody's system on apt-get upgrade |
| 15:14.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | last one been sth about X11 iirc |
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| 15:16.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | also seen eventually: incompatible qt as well as glibc libs |
| 15:19.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, returning to origin of this dia(rather mono)log: when apt-get install throws any error/warning - particularly about mp-fremantle-*-pr, it's probably best idea and practice to fire up HAM and check for pending updates, rather that force-installing something via apt-get to "fix" stuff |
| 15:20.16 | hxka | I doubt HAM will do any different that apt-get install mp-* |
| 15:21.18 | hxka | In such situation, I mean |
| 15:22.23 | hxka | If there IS some problem and not some new dependencies, if won't do anything, but so will apt |
| 15:23.02 | hxka | s/if/it/ |
| 15:25.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | hxka: not different, but maybe more |
| 15:28.10 | hxka | DocScrutinizer05: that's a paradox statement ;) |
| 15:29.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 15:29.41 | freemangordon | hxka: HAM/apt-worker keeps a list of installed packages+domains |
| 15:30.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | different: B instead of A. more: B additional to A |
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| 16:17.55 | Superpelican_ | silviof: Your vagrant-n900-sdk bootstrap script doesn't work on my system (openSUSE 13.1 KDE 64 bit) |
| 16:18.18 | Superpelican_ | silviof: NVM |
| 16:18.33 | Superpelican_ | I overlooked the root password question LOL |
| 16:19.03 | Superpelican_ | silviof: Entered the root password |
| 16:19.21 | Superpelican_ | silviof: but the script seems to be Debian/Ubuntu only, it seems to use apt-get |
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| 16:53.03 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/2/14/357 |
| 16:53.13 | freemangordon | :D |
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| 17:01.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey, where's the THANKS button? |
| 17:03.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | this guy at least needs some supporting |
| 17:03.55 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: this is the first message https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/2/14/270 |
| 17:03.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and actually: where IS Linus in all that? |
| 17:04.19 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: well, LKML is open, send a mail there :) |
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| 17:16.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I probably would when there was a simple interface to answer to that thread (as opposed to sending an unlinked orphaned rant mail to some email-addr) |
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| 17:24.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | this guy is so to the point. Lennart and friends are actually trying to turn linux into something new and different that's much inspired by the way windows works, and when I say "windows" I don't mean anything but the desktop OS, no server or anything, no phone OS, no CE |
| 17:26.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | compatibility to older versions of same OS (linux), to other UNIXes, to non-desktop hw platforms? forget it, not relevant to Mr Lennart Poettering |
| 17:28.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | en passant breaking a bazillion apps whose authors or maintainers had to patch and update their stuff to accommodate what Lennart thinks is needed now... NO PROBLEM at all! |
| 17:30.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I only wish I had bookmarked Lennart's idiotic explanation why we don't need /usr nowadays |
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| 17:30.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | it gives away Lennart's rotten mindset in one single statement put by himself |
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| 17:37.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~freee |
| 17:37.25 | infobot | it has been said that freee is http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZTdUmlGxVo0&t=3296 |
| 17:37.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~poettering |
| 17:37.34 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' |
| 17:39.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm fed up with some infantile douchebag with a neurosis about his image hijacking linux to pose and try to dominate the world |
| 17:42.08 | thedead1440 | so back to the OP's point; where is Linus in all this? |
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| 17:47.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, exactly |
| 17:49.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think we should join forces. seems ther are enough people to outweigh Poettering and the redhat steering group or whatever it is that powers lennart |
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| 17:56.53 | thedead1440 | unless Linus too kinda agrees with poettering :eek: |
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| 18:44.27 | silviof | Superpelican_: hi, hmm - vagrant is os independend. the bootstrap script is executed in the vm which is downloaded from vagrant. |
| 18:45.06 | silviof | Superpelican_: On which part failed the vagrant script? I have tested on win 7, ubuntu and archlinux |
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| 19:51.15 | Superpelican_ | Why am I getting Permission Denied when running /scratchbox/login ? |
| 19:51.24 | Superpelican_ | (completely new to sbox/Maemo SDK) |
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| 20:06.41 | FIQ | did you add yourself to the scratchbox group? |
| 20:06.49 | FIQ | and made sure to relogin for changes to apply? |
| 20:08.05 | Superpelican_ | eh |
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| 20:09.09 | Superpelican_ | FIQ: yes |
| 20:09.15 | Superpelican_ | I'm a member of sbox |
| 20:09.20 | Superpelican_ | although I didn't relogin |
| 20:09.38 | Superpelican_ | I'll do that first ;) |
| 20:12.06 | FIQ | you need to relogin for group alterations to apply, this is always the case in unix |
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| 20:13.59 | Superpelican_ | FIQ: Thanks a lot that worked :) |
| 20:14.09 | Superpelican_ | FIQ: I can really be an idiot from time to time ;) |
| 20:14.23 | FIQ | fyi, you need to relogin for group alterations to apply, this is always the case in unix |
| 20:14.49 | Superpelican_ | I know |
| 20:14.59 | Superpelican_ | but I just didn't think of it ;) |
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| 20:18.50 | Superpelican_ | FIQ: Is the host_usr dir supposed to give you access to the host's dirs? |
| 20:18.58 | Superpelican_ | FIQ: It doesn't seem to work |
| 20:19.10 | FIQ | Superpelican_: sorry, I have no experience with the sdk |
| 20:19.14 | Superpelican_ | it only shows "README bin" |
| 20:19.52 | Superpelican_ | hmm apparently it isn't meant to point to the host's dir structure |
| 20:19.52 | FIQ | the reason I could assist with the above is that I know there's a dedicated group you need to be in, and permission denied is in 99% of the cases related to you not being in said group |
| 20:20.01 | Superpelican_ | ok |
| 20:20.03 | FIQ | so I can't help otherwise, sorry :p |
| 20:20.24 | Superpelican_ | the README says host_usr is for compiling things using the host's gcc |
| 20:21.09 | Superpelican_ | FIQ: Is it safe to copy a file from a host dir into the chroot's dirs? |
| 20:21.20 | Superpelican_ | Or will that result in a corrupted chroot? |
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| 20:23.31 | Superpelican_ | nvm, just did it ;) |
| 20:23.42 | Superpelican_ | it still seems to be working |
| 20:23.49 | Superpelican_ | so let's hope it stays that way :) |
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| 20:33.28 | Superpelican_ | freemangordon: I did "dpkg-source -x kernel-power_2.6.28-10power52.dsc" in the scratchbox chroot (it's using the armel target) |
| 20:33.34 | Superpelican_ | It said it has applied the patches |
| 20:33.59 | Superpelican_ | however when I went to drivers/mmc/host there were no omap source code files |
| 20:35.28 | Superpelican_ | the source tree that I had extracted from http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/kernel-power-source_2.6.28-10power52_all.deb did have all those omap source code files |
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