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| 02:38.15 | Maxdamantus | Mm .. so I guess distinguishing between the two space buttons would require modifying omap_twl4030keypad in the kernel. |
| 02:39.09 | Maxdamantus | the code that handles input in u-boot looks like it should be able to distinguish it. |
| 02:39.15 | Maxdamantus | should check that. |
| 02:39.57 | Maxdamantus | /dev/input/keypad gives code 57 for both. |
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| 09:10.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: what do you expect us to do? get a martage on our house to produce a batch of maybe 10k Neo900, then biuld our next house by using as bricks the devices that we couldn't sell? |
| 09:11.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | mortgage, even |
| 09:14.45 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: http://staticmass.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/fright_4.jpg ? |
| 09:22.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: and seems you are suffering a massive misconception somewhere in context of donations and (pre-)orders. I elaborated on all that in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1404602#post1404602 and follow-ups http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1404754#post1404754 |
| 09:22.49 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: what? |
| 09:23.01 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: oh that |
| 09:23.13 | jon_y | I just mean to say I don't expect to be able to buy it |
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| 09:23.31 | jon_y | obviously limited production run is limited |
| 09:28.19 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: so, no hard feelings? |
| 09:29.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just want to avoid getting attributed to statements like ""Preorder Now! Limited Edition!"" |
| 09:29.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not what we do |
| 09:29.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is no "limited edition" |
| 09:30.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is a project basing on limited resources |
| 09:30.15 | jon_y | ok, I mean limited edition as in it is going to be rare |
| 09:30.33 | honestly | DocScrutinizer05: how much money do I need to throw at you right now to get a finished neo900 as soon as possible? |
| 09:30.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly zilch |
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| 09:31.09 | honestly | oh you mean I'll get one for free? great! |
| 09:31.19 | silviof | :-P |
| 09:31.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, thanks for wasting my time |
| 09:31.33 | honestly | ಠ_ಠ |
| 09:31.50 | silviof | has made his donation to neo900 |
| 09:31.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, sorry, I missread your question |
| 09:32.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought "how much do you need to finish neo900" |
| 09:33.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly: we can't tell exact final sales price yet. We hope it will be ~700EUR |
| 09:33.22 | jon_y | can't afford 700 :( |
| 09:33.28 | honestly | damn |
| 09:33.36 | honestly | that's 10 times what I paid for my n900 |
| 09:33.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that obviously depends on what prices we can get for sourcing e.g. the mech parts |
| 09:34.01 | jon_y | I'll buy 3 if I can actually afford it |
| 09:34.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly: so you expect us to sell you something better than N900 at a better price? |
| 09:35.37 | jon_y | the Neo900 IS better than the N900 |
| 09:35.46 | jon_y | though only if you can afford it |
| 09:36.00 | jon_y | or if you can get your hands on it |
| 09:36.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm busy. Please refer to neo900.org and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 for any info about expected sales prices and aout the reasons why they are like that |
| 09:36.33 | silviof | DocScrutinizer05: you sit in Oberhaching? |
| 09:36.47 | jon_y | as long as it has a proper GNU/Linux and NOT android, I'm cool with it |
| 09:36.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | GDC sits next to there |
| 09:37.03 | jon_y | also no ACL against the user |
| 09:38.47 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: yes, I understand why the price is that high |
| 09:39.10 | jon_y | in fact, I was arguing for your points when a user came in about it a few months ago |
| 09:39.28 | jon_y | and yes I understand we can't all have nice things |
| 09:41.04 | silviof | sit 50km away ^^ |
| 09:41.14 | jon_y | silviof: get some for me :) |
| 09:41.53 | silviof | :-) |
| 09:43.53 | jon_y | I am roughly 40% of the world away |
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| 09:48.39 | jonwil | Finally decided to buy a new battery for my N900 to see if it would improve the dismal battery life I am getting as of late |
| 09:51.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: bq27200.sh 60 >bad-bad-or-not.txt |
| 09:53.48 | jonwil | what should I be looking for in the results? |
| 09:54.15 | jonwil | The one I bought isn't a genuine Nokia (no Nokia markings or hologram) but that doesn't mean its junk |
| 09:54.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | the difference in CAC/NAC mAh from start to end of battery cycle |
| 09:56.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | while the absolute numbers of NAC are maybe off, the difference is *very* exact and tells you about how much capacity your cell really been able to provide |
| 09:57.04 | jonwil | worst comes to worst, I am out the $50 I paid for it :P |
| 09:58.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/ |
| 09:58.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | wut? 50 bucks for a bl-5j battery? |
| 10:00.09 | jonwil | Thats Australian prices |
| 10:00.25 | jonwil | remember stuff costs more in Australia |
| 10:00.27 | jonwil | :) |
| 10:01.02 | jonwil | plus I wanted one that I could buy locally rather than having to wait weeks for one to arrive from feebay or somewhere |
| 10:02.06 | jonwil | local means I have recourse under Australian consumer laws if something bad happens |
| 10:04.59 | jonwil | anyhow I have it now so with luck, my battery life will improve |
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| 10:07.53 | jonwil | I have bq27200.sh running in the background now and will let it run until the battery starts to get close to empty then look at the results |
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| 11:02.22 | jonwil | so I should be looking at the difference between the NAC value at full battery and the NAC value at empty to determine how much life I am getting out of the new battery? |
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| 11:05.22 | zammy|Away | hellooooooooo |
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| 11:06.00 | zammy | how to register a not-registered sip account? |
| 11:06.16 | zammy | I have a voipcheap account... |
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| 11:53.46 | wnd | what's a no[nt]-registered sip account? |
| 11:59.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: exactly |
| 11:59.17 | jonwil | ok, WTF, the mA figure from bq27200.sh seems to be jumping around a LOT, going from as low as -9 to as high as -194 or more |
| 11:59.28 | jonwil | Is that normal? |
| 11:59.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 12:00.01 | jonwil | I guess it depends on exactly what the system is doing at the point bq27200.sh happens to take a sample point |
| 12:00.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | kinda, yes |
| 12:00.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's already averaged over the last 2.56s iirc |
| 12:01.01 | jonwil | anyhow, the ultimate answer on the new battery is how long it lasts in day-to-day use |
| 12:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | the actual "noise" in electric current consumption is even higher than what you see from bq27200 |
| 12:01.43 | zammy|Away | we |
| 12:01.45 | zammy | yep |
| 12:01.54 | zammy | I am trying with a voip |
| 12:02.09 | zammy | on website it says how to... |
| 12:02.17 | zammy | but.. still did not get |
| 12:02.52 | zammy | https://www.voipcheap.com/en/sip under software configuration |
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| 12:10.47 | zammy | DocScrutinizer05, what suggest? |
| 12:11.28 | zammy | have italian pattern of that... that says "Da registrare" |
| 12:11.33 | zammy | as account |
| 12:12.06 | zammy | all accounts I have says "Activated" |
| 12:12.08 | zammy | Enabled |
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| 12:37.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what#s the problem? |
| 12:40.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you got "activated" and green point, then you logged in to the SIP registrar successfully, and you should be able to receive a call from outside to the landline phone number you got from voipcheap |
| 12:42.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | when somebody calls that number, then voipcheap registrar sends an INVITE message to your client and the client should answer OK and start ringing |
| 12:43.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | however when you're behind a NAT, you might face some problems and might have to open a few ports, particularly for SIP (5060) and STUN (often 10000) |
| 12:44.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | some NATs never realy work with SIP |
| 12:45.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | some start to work when you *disable* VoIP support on your router |
| 12:45.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | many carriers block SIP on their GSM networks |
| 12:47.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | even more of them do stateful packet inspection and traffic shaping, resulting in unbearable jitter and delay or complete breakdown of the SIP-VoIP RTP streams |
| 12:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally 2G doesn't work great with SIP |
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| 12:49.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | often it helps to change port5060 (SIP) to e.g. 5062 or 5064 |
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| 12:51.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you want to run multiple clients behind a router-NAT with port-forwarding enabled, then you even need to change the SIP port for some of the clients, they can't share on public IP:port address |
| 12:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm running 5 clients behind a dual-layered NAT stack here, with sipgate.de, and all 5 clients work flawlessly |
| 12:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | this however took me quite some fiddling with the 2 NATs involved |
| 12:53.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy|Away: what's your router? |
| 12:54.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy|Away: more generally: how do you connect to the internet, and what's involved in that route? |
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| 13:17.36 | zammy|Away | DocScrutinizer05, I am with wifi |
| 13:17.42 | zammy | my router is a normal router |
| 13:17.45 | zammy | idk |
| 13:17.46 | zammy | :D |
| 13:19.59 | zammy | nono I am simply in wifi... no 2g or 3g... and no NAT... ofc I configured as in guide of voipcheap... including stun... it's all fine |
| 13:20.06 | zammy | it should work fine |
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| 13:24.03 | zammy | but idk how to test the incoming calls... btw... what's the problem is that it says "to register" |
| 13:24.18 | zammy | that means it's not fully enabled voip account |
| 13:25.24 | Maxdamantus | if your "router" is a normal "router", you're going to be behind NAT. |
| 13:26.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: sorry, there's no such thing like "internet via WLAN without NAT" or "normal router" |
| 13:26.35 | zammy | I mean it's rightly preconfigured |
| 13:26.39 | zammy | with that port open |
| 13:26.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 13:26.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | no way |
| 13:26.52 | Maxdamantus | Well, there's nothing technically preventing the former from existing. |
| 13:27.06 | zammy | alright |
| 13:27.08 | zammy | I check |
| 13:27.12 | Maxdamantus | but it's highly unlikely that there's no NAT, other than perhaps for IPv6 addresses. |
| 13:27.18 | Maxdamantus | (especially on a WLAN) |
| 13:30.57 | Maxdamantus | NAT is just a workaround to problems with practical address allocation within the tiny space of only four billion. |
| 13:31.23 | jon_y | does n900 do ipv6 wlan? |
| 13:32.07 | Maxdamantus | it seems to be enabled in the cssu kernel at least. |
| 13:32.14 | jon_y | zammy: you can confirm by checking your address at ipchicken.com |
| 13:32.18 | jon_y | vs what the n900 reports |
| 13:32.26 | jon_y | if different, NAT is involved |
| 13:32.58 | Maxdamantus | I'll give my N900 an IPv6 address. |
| 13:33.30 | jon_y | I'm lucky enough to get ipv6 |
| 13:33.46 | jon_y | though ISP doesn't want anybody knowing about it strangely |
| 13:34.10 | jon_y | not a 6to4 or anything like that, a real ipv6 address |
| 13:34.11 | zammy | different port |
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| 13:34.41 | jon_y | port? |
| 13:34.50 | zammy | Remote Port |
| 13:34.59 | zammy | that's different |
| 13:35.18 | zammy | ofc browser too |
| 13:35.19 | jon_y | no, I mean the ip address |
| 13:35.23 | zammy | that's the same |
| 13:35.32 | jon_y | same ip address? |
| 13:35.35 | zammy | yep |
| 13:35.38 | jon_y | if so, NAT is not involved |
| 13:35.46 | zammy | ... |
| 13:35.52 | zammy | I know what's nat |
| 13:36.01 | zammy | I know what's IP address |
| 13:36.05 | zammy | you could ask |
| 13:36.21 | jon_y | well, the question was about NAT earlier |
| 13:36.21 | zammy | I am behind an italian normal router... |
| 13:36.28 | zammy | :D |
| 13:37.22 | zammy | I was wondering just about firewall |
| 13:37.23 | jon_y | reverse polish router |
| 13:38.08 | jon_y | try netcat and some port test websites |
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| 13:44.11 | Maxdamantus | wonders why it's not working :( |
| 13:45.50 | Maxdamantus | # cat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding |
| 13:45.50 | Maxdamantus | 0 |
| 13:45.52 | Maxdamantus | might be a problem. |
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| 13:46.58 | Max[n900] | \o/ |
| 13:47.47 | Maxdamantus | wonders if he should set up an IPv6 DHCP some time. |
| 13:47.56 | Maxdamantus | wonders if people are meant to use DHCP with IPv6. |
| 13:48.24 | jon_y | Maxdamantus: you can |
| 13:48.31 | Maxdamantus | yeah, of course. |
| 13:48.37 | jon_y | point to ipv6 dns64 |
| 13:48.50 | Maxdamantus | but .. some of the points of IPv6 go against some of the points of DHCP. |
| 13:49.02 | jon_y | but a purer ipv6! |
| 13:50.53 | jon_y | I think freeBSD did some pure ipv6 stack for fun |
| 13:50.57 | Maxdamantus | 02:50:49 [Freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from Max[n900]: irssi v0.8.14 - running on Linux armv7l |
| 13:50.58 | jon_y | or was it openBSD |
| 13:51.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: so your DSL provider assigns multiple IPs to you, when you have multiple clients logged in to your WLAN? that's unique |
| 13:51.47 | jon_y | well dhcp relays do exist |
| 13:51.48 | zammy | lol |
| 13:51.52 | jon_y | kind of rare |
| 13:51.54 | zammy | that's correct not unique |
| 13:52.03 | Max[n900] | zammy: so to answer your question: yes, fairly easily, at least with the CSSU kernel. |
| 13:52.18 | Max[n900] | I think it was something added there. |
| 13:52.38 | Max[n900] | but I also seem to have ping6 and traceroute6 from somewhere. |
| 13:53.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: well, then you should be able to tell me that IP and I could give you a direct-IP2IP SIP call |
| 13:53.18 | zammy | let's see |
| 13:53.21 | Max[n900] | maybe they've been bundling them with ping/traceroute for ages. |
| 13:53.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, actually you also need to tell me the "user" in your SIP client, or I can't address you correctly and the client will reject the INVITE |
| 13:54.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | since when your user is "zammy" then a call to root@8.8.8.8:5060 will get rejected by your SIP client |
| 13:54.49 | Max[n900] | zammy: does your name refer to Zammarok from RuneScape by any chance? |
| 13:54.55 | Max[n900] | just wondering. |
| 13:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: you seem to still haven't answered my question what's your problem with SIP, specifically |
| 13:58.12 | Maxdamantus | jon_y: you shouldn't need a relay of any kind. |
| 13:58.29 | Maxdamantus | jon_y: I meant just a usual DHCP setup. |
| 13:58.56 | jon_y | I don't know, I've seen routers with dhcp relay options |
| 13:59.54 | Maxdamantus | my router has 2001:470:f078:1234::1/64 on wlan0, it could run a DHCP server that allocates 2001:470:f078:1234:<1..ffff>::/80 |
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| 14:01.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn! |
| 14:01.37 | Maxdamantus | hmm .. but DHCP doesn't normally allocate ranges. |
| 14:02.16 | Maxdamantus | I think there is a modified protocol for IPv6 .. maybe that includes a second prefix mast, for the subnet allocated to that machine. |
| 14:02.56 | warfare | Maxdamantus: man radvd |
| 14:03.14 | Maxdamantus | No manual entry for radvd |
| 14:03.29 | Maxdamantus | router advertisement daemon |
| 14:03.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: your port 5060 is filtered, while port 22 is open |
| 14:03.42 | Maxdamantus | so it's like RIP or something, but for IPv6? |
| 14:03.49 | zammy | alright |
| 14:03.50 | Maxdamantus | oh, not necessarily IPv6. |
| 14:03.53 | zammy | firewall damn |
| 14:03.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 14:04.05 | warfare | Maxdamantus: you need either this for IPv6 autoconfig to work or a dhcpv6 server. |
| 14:04.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | firewall is even worse than NAT for SIP |
| 14:04.36 | Maxdamantus | ah, so IPv6 already has an autoconfig thing. |
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| 14:04.59 | Maxdamantus | s/.$/?/ |
| 14:05.51 | Maxdamantus | Yeah. |
| 14:07.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi warfare |
| 14:07.32 | warfare | Maxdamantus: Yep. Thats's what you need radvd for. radvd announces the available prefixes on the link (usually a /64) which clients can use to build their IPv6 address. |
| 14:07.40 | warfare | hi DocScrutinizer05 :) |
| 14:07.45 | zammy | try now DocScrutinizer05 |
| 14:08.22 | zammy | maybe I should reboot the router |
| 14:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 14:08.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | 5060/tcp filtered sip |
| 14:08.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr, dang |
| 14:08.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | SIP is UDP |
| 14:09.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually |
| 14:10.05 | zammy | 5060 is in UPD? |
| 14:10.11 | zammy | 3478 is in tcp? |
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| 14:10.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 14:11.44 | zammy | I have set 5060 as tcp |
| 14:12.00 | zammy | try now please DocScrutinizer05 |
| 14:12.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, SIP is UDP |
| 14:12.25 | zammy | okkkkkkk |
| 14:12.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can test if 5060:tcp has changed... |
| 14:12.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | which it hasn't |
| 14:13.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | but for now I forgot how to test UDP ports |
| 14:13.26 | zammy | lulz |
| 14:14.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | in N900 client you could select TCP for your account, which will probably break with voipcheap but should expose to the IP |
| 14:15.21 | zammy | now it's in UPD |
| 14:17.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, then give your landline number at voipcheap a call |
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| 14:18.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and don't forget to open up the ports for RTP as suggested by voipcheap |
| 14:18.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | some providers suggest 5004..5007, some suggest 10000..1003 |
| 14:19.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | 10003 even |
| 14:19.34 | zammy | what's RTP? |
| 14:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~RTP |
| 14:19.40 | infobot | rtp is probably The Internet-standard protocol for the transport of real-time data, including audio and video. RTP is used in virtually all voice-over-IP architectures, for videoconferencing, media-on-demand, and other applications. A thin protocol, it supports content identification, timing reconstruction, and detection of lost packets. |
| 14:19.48 | zammy | -.- |
| 14:26.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | assuming we're talking about fremantle SIP: I got [x]"use for phone calls"; "transport: UDP" ("auto" should work as well, probably); out-proxy:"sip.sipgate.de"; port:"5062" (you want to keep 5060 probably); "[x] detect public addr"; "[x] loose routing"; "keep-alive- method: auto"; "keep-alive-interval: 1min"; "[x] auto-STUN-detect" |
| 14:27.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | make sure your "normal router" has no SIP related functions enabled, neither a phone connector nor any Application Layer Gateway |
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| 14:37.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: also note that fremantle SIP config dialog has a bug: once you entered and saved a display-name for an account, you can't clear it anymore, since completely deleting the content gets ignored by the dialog. You need to create a new account when you want empty display-name |
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| 14:38.11 | zammy | alright |
| 14:38.20 | zammy | thanks this maybe usefull really |
| 14:38.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: once your port 5060 works, the INVITE should already work, making your N900 start ringing on inbound SIP calls. When RTP ports are blocked, that shows when you pick up the call and it stalls or breaks down or has no sound |
| 14:39.08 | zammy | okook |
| 14:41.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: pro-tip: google for exact model name of your router, plus "SIP VoIP" |
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| 14:43.50 | zammy | btw no changes... |
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| 14:48.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: you'll want to use "[ ] auto-STUN detection"; STUN-server:"stun.voipcheap.com"; STUN-port:"3478" |
| 14:48.58 | zammy | yes |
| 14:49.05 | zammy | I ve done that |
| 14:49.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you might want to temporarily disable your router#s firewall completely until your SIP config is OK |
| 14:49.15 | zammy | not editing just creating like that |
| 14:49.42 | zammy | I can't disable the router firewall |
| 14:49.47 | zammy | I already tried |
| 14:49.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch! |
| 14:51.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | so maybe create an open range of port-UDP:1000-65535 |
| 14:51.39 | zammy | LULZ |
| 14:51.48 | zammy | or maybe lower range |
| 14:53.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, I helped as much as I know to do, rest is up to you. Particularly since you can't come up with type of router you#re using |
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| 15:11.02 | sombragris | hi there |
| 15:11.19 | sombragris | question: which is the best RSS reader for the N900 ? |
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| 15:11.53 | sombragris | I just tried the default RSS reader and found it disappointing to say the least |
| 15:11.58 | zammy | feedingIt |
| 15:12.22 | zammy | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/feedingit/ |
| 15:12.32 | sombragris | looking around in fapman I saw feedingIT, penguinreader, Resistance, and feedcircuit |
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| 15:20.11 | sombragris | zammy: thanks :) |
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| 15:25.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: https://www.voipcheap.com/geo really? why would you want to use that? |
| 15:25.15 | zammy | ??? |
| 15:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it seems to me this service is not meant to get any inbound calls |
| 15:29.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | (except from other voipcheap users who "type your name") |
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| 15:30.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW it doesn't look like a comprehemsive phone service to me |
| 15:31.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | more like a skype-competitor |
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| 18:26.06 | honestly | can someone help me to get N900-rescueOS running? |
| 18:26.30 | honestly | I need a kernel to load |
| 18:27.41 | honestly | documentation.txt doesn't tell me where to get / how to build one... |
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| 18:34.03 | honestly | https://github.com/NIN101/N900_RescueOS seems pretty incomplete... |
| 18:39.17 | hxka | What happened to your flashed kernel? |
| 18:40.49 | hxka | Wait. |
| 18:40.54 | hxka | > flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 |
| 18:41.09 | hxka | I can clearly see that file here: http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ |
| 18:41.34 | freemangordon | it also needs initrd |
| 18:42.11 | hxka | Yeah, obviously, I just copied the part regarding the kernel |
| 18:42.22 | freemangordon | according to http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/documentation.txt: |
| 18:42.27 | freemangordon | flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n initrd.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" |
| 18:42.38 | freemangordon | I don;t really see something missing here |
| 18:44.22 | honestly | yeah I just got the stuff from http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ |
| 18:44.39 | honestly | but there was zero reference to that in the repository... |
| 18:45.07 | honestly | the rescueOS-1.x.img is the initrd I suppose? |
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| 18:46.46 | honestly | do I need to put my n900 into flashing mode? |
| 18:47.02 | honestly | ("hold u, connect cable") |
| 18:47.23 | hxka | I dunno where that "hold u" comes from |
| 18:47.37 | hxka | Just run the flasher and connect the cable |
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| 18:47.46 | honestly | ...holding u before booting puts the n900 into flashing mode... |
| 18:47.57 | freemangordon | yep, you need that |
| 18:48.06 | freemangordon | (hold 'u') |
| 18:48.22 | NIN101 | not necessarily. |
| 18:49.50 | honestly | *sigh* |
| 18:50.05 | honestly | does the u-boot console have a command to shut off the device? |
| 18:52.23 | freemangordon | NIN101: hmm? how is flasher supposed to boot a kernel if the device is not in flash mode? |
| 18:52.47 | freemangordon | honestly: no, only to reset it |
| 18:52.55 | freemangordon | just remove the battery :) |
| 18:53.33 | honestly | Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy |
| 18:53.36 | honestly | :| |
| 18:55.34 | NIN101 | freemangordon: I was refering to "hold u". That isn't necessary. |
| 18:55.44 | NIN101 | honestly: run it as root. |
| 18:56.01 | honestly | I am running it as root. |
| 18:56.23 | honestly | whelp |
| 18:56.30 | honestly | there really was a cdc_phonet module. |
| 18:57.11 | honestly | I'm in \o/ |
| 18:57.23 | honestly | does rescueOS come with fsck? |
| 18:57.29 | freemangordon | NIN101: yes, I know what you're refering to. how the flasher will succeed to boot the kernel if the device is not in update mode? |
| 18:59.29 | NIN101 | freemangordon: I never used "hold u". I turn it off, run the flasher, connect the usb cable and it boots. Everything always worked automatically. |
| 18:59.30 | NIN101 | :-) |
| 18:59.43 | hxka | What NIN101 said. |
| 18:59.54 | freemangordon | hmm, weird, but ok :) |
| 19:01.30 | NIN101 | honestly: yes, it has fsck |
| 19:02.45 | honestly | but not for vfat apparently :F |
| 19:04.52 | freemangordon | honestly: hmm, iirc there is dosfsck |
| 19:05.08 | Sicelo | ~maemo-free |
| 19:05.59 | Sicelo | a quick aside, does anyone have the link on wiki which shows the closed/non-free components of maemo? lost the bookmark |
| 19:06.16 | freemangordon | ~fptf |
| 19:06.16 | infobot | rumour has it, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 19:06.34 | freemangordon | http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages |
| 19:06.45 | freemangordon | Sicelo: ^^^ |
| 19:07.19 | honestly | freemangordon: yeah, I expected it to be fsck.something |
| 19:07.21 | honestly | thanks |
| 19:07.34 | honestly | ~$ dosfsck -n /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 19:07.36 | honestly | CP437: Invalid argument |
| 19:07.39 | honestly | what? |
| 19:08.55 | Sicelo | thanks freemangordon |
| 19:10.10 | honestly | hmm |
| 19:10.25 | honestly | so the rootfs isn't actually on /dev/mmc0p* |
| 19:10.34 | honestly | is there a way to fsck the rootfs? |
| 19:10.57 | hxka | ubifs doesn't have an fsck |
| 19:11.30 | honestly | my problem is that when I boot my n900 normally, it gets stuck on the "flashing lights" forever. |
| 19:12.15 | freemangordon | honestly: anything in syslog? |
| 19:12.19 | honestly | so my goals right now are 1) pull a backup of everything off of the device and then 2) try to fix the problem, by reflash if possible |
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| 19:12.53 | hxka | If you see "flashing lights" your rootfs is at least mounting |
| 19:13.20 | honestly | /mnt/maemo/var/log/lastlog is 8.4M of gibberish |
| 19:13.22 | honestly | o.O |
| 19:13.32 | freemangordon | honestly: hmm? |
| 19:13.37 | freemangordon | rm it |
| 19:14.03 | honestly | ...why? |
| 19:14.20 | NIN101 | I recommend mass-storage mode to create a backup. |
| 19:14.21 | freemangordon | try to boot again, if it still fails, boot to rescueos and check what is in syslog |
| 19:14.39 | honestly | oh |
| 19:14.49 | honestly | what file is syslog supposed to be in? |
| 19:14.58 | freemangordon | honestly: what is "gibberish" supposed to mean? |
| 19:15.04 | freemangordon | honestly: plain text |
| 19:15.11 | honestly | file |
| 19:15.13 | honestly | as in filename |
| 19:15.22 | freemangordon | "/var/log/syslog" |
| 19:15.26 | honestly | there is no /var/log/syslog |
| 19:15.34 | freemangordon | do you have syslogd installed? |
| 19:15.47 | honestly | I don't know. |
| 19:15.57 | honestly | so probably not. |
| 19:16.15 | hxka | '/var/log/messages' |
| 19:16.28 | honestly | nope, nothing there |
| 19:16.50 | honestly | http://pastie.org/8727092 |
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| 19:21.03 | honestly | should I be able to mount /dev/mmcblk0p1? |
| 19:21.36 | honestly | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /mnt/free1 failed: Input/output error |
| 19:23.03 | NIN101 | try with -t ext3 |
| 19:23.18 | honestly | p1 is vfat |
| 19:23.23 | Sicelo | i have never seen a /var/log/lastlog on N900 |
| 19:24.13 | honestly | according to blkid... |
| 19:24.22 | honestly | ah well |
| 19:24.23 | NIN101 | true, sorry |
| 19:24.28 | honestly | -t vfat appears to have worked |
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| 19:51.34 | honestly | alright, I pulled everything off |
| 19:52.06 | honestly | now how can I debug this further? |
| 19:53.18 | honestly | any way to get more log output? |
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| 20:00.03 | freemangordon | honestly: do you have any way to boot maemo? |
| 20:00.11 | freemangordon | with rd flags or something? |
| 20:01.03 | honestly | I have a working uboot |
| 20:01.09 | honestly | and the kernels seem to be mostly fine |
| 20:01.26 | honestly | how would I go about booting into maemo? |
| 20:01.41 | freemangordon | honestly: the point is - can you install syslogd |
| 20:01.45 | freemangordon | ? |
| 20:02.08 | freemangordon | NIN101: is it possible to chroot to maemo rootfs from rescueos? |
| 20:02.36 | freemangordon | and use dpkg from there? |
| 20:02.53 | freemangordon | honestly: you can try ^^^ |
| 20:03.10 | freemangordon | klog and syslog packages are in sdk repo |
| 20:03.10 | honestly | *nod* |
| 20:04.03 | freemangordon | you can wget them and somehow copy them to the device, chroot and dpkg |
| 20:04.14 | freemangordon | not sure i that wouldwork though |
| 20:05.42 | honestly | trying to set up networking |
| 20:09.58 | honestly | there we go, got networking |
| 20:11.02 | NIN101 | yes, it's possible to chroot into maemo... |
| 20:11.04 | FIQ | sorry if this is a stupid question, but is there a reason to why you don't just reflash? :p |
| 20:11.30 | NIN101 | honestly, also keep an eye on your battery. |
| 20:12.10 | honestly | sooo |
| 20:12.35 | honestly | is it enough to just chroot? |
| 20:12.48 | honestly | since dpkg shouldn't need anything from /proc etc |
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| 20:18.39 | honestly | seems the chroot was more or less successful |
| 20:18.41 | honestly | rescueos:/# apt-get install syslogd |
| 20:18.44 | honestly | E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/ |
| 20:18.46 | honestly | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 20:19.08 | honestly | hmm, need to mount opt I guess |
| 20:21.16 | honestly | now it can't find any syslogd package |
| 20:21.24 | honestly | what repo do I need for that? |
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| 20:33.20 | honestly | pokes NIN101 and freemangordon |
| 20:34.09 | silviof | honestly: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/s/sysklogd/ |
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| 20:37.39 | honestly | seems like I only have this in my sources (in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list): |
| 20:37.44 | honestly | deb http://repository.maemo.org/community/ fremantle free non-free |
| 20:37.46 | honestly | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free |
| 20:37.49 | honestly | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing fremantle-1.3 free non-free |
| 20:37.51 | honestly | shouldn't that work? |
| 20:38.04 | honestly | it actually results in W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got ) |
| 20:40.23 | freemangordon | honestly: don;t use apt |
| 20:40.28 | freemangordon | apt-get that is |
| 20:40.42 | freemangordon | use wget and dpkg |
| 20:41.12 | freemangordon | /var/cache/apt/ is symlink to /opt/var/cache/apt/ or so, not mounted |
| 20:41.20 | honestly | I mounted it |
| 20:41.33 | honestly | apt-get is working fine now |
| 20:41.42 | honestly | I just need to add the right repo |
| 20:42.23 | freemangordon | those are in either SDK or tools repo |
| 20:42.42 | silviof | freemangordon: its not the package on the link I have posted? |
| 20:42.58 | freemangordon | silviof: it is |
| 20:43.05 | freemangordon | but it needs klogd too |
| 20:43.10 | freemangordon | afaik |
| 20:43.25 | honestly | what dependencies do I need except klogd? |
| 20:43.28 | honestly | klogd is right there |
| 20:43.39 | freemangordon | nothing else iirc |
| 20:44.33 | honestly | Setting up klogd (1.5-5maemo7+0m5) ... |
| 20:44.36 | honestly | initctl: Unable to send message: Connection refused |
| 20:44.38 | honestly | Setting up sysklogd (1.5-5maemo7+0m5) ... |
| 20:44.41 | honestly | initctl: Unable to send message: Connection refused |
| 20:44.43 | honestly | can I ignore the warnings? |
| 20:48.54 | honestly | is there anything I need to do other than reboot? |
| 21:06.02 | honestly | well, looks like I have a syslog. |
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| 21:07.21 | honestly | this is the last screenful: http://pastie.org/8727443 |
| 21:16.25 | honestly | and now I can't plug in the usb cable to charge it without it trying to boot... |
| 21:17.09 | FIQ | the N900 must boot up for charging to work |
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| 21:17.17 | honestly | yes |
| 21:17.41 | honestly | but it isn't supposed to boot up into gui mode, is it? |
| 21:17.47 | honestly | it's never done that before anyway |
| 21:18.06 | FIQ | it loads the dots and then switches the screen off yes |
| 21:18.13 | honestly | oh |
| 21:18.14 | honestly | well |
| 21:18.15 | FIQ | not exactly sure what it actually does in charging mode |
| 21:18.20 | honestly | mine gets stuck on the dots |
| 21:18.22 | FIQ | but it always did like this for me |
| 21:19.03 | honestly | urgh |
| 21:19.07 | FIQ | i.e. startup, flashing yellow light, sudden green light followed by no power for the LED at all, screen turns on, shows dots, then turns off after a few seconds and the RGB led starts flashing yellow |
| 21:19.24 | FIQ | and done |
| 21:20.22 | honestly | plug in cable, it turns on, slow flashing yellow light, the dots appear |
| 21:20.32 | FIQ | honestly: but if you have a working rescueOS, that might be able to charge your device (disclaimer: never used rescueOS) |
| 21:20.43 | honestly | yeah... |
| 21:20.46 | honestly | I do |
| 21:20.56 | honestly | I'll probably need to do that |
| 21:21.08 | honestly | I don't have a full-power charging adapter though |
| 21:21.20 | honestly | well I think it should be charging now |
| 21:21.33 | honestly | yellow light flashing slowly, dots running |
| 21:21.49 | FIQ | sounds ok, but I dunno since I'm not in your situation :p |
| 21:22.06 | FIQ | (and I actually have an external charger so I don't use N900 for charging directly in first place anyway |
| 21:22.06 | FIQ | ) |
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