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| 04:54.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | mldr: never use epoxy! |
| 04:55.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, sixwheeledbeast already said same |
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| 05:15.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | mldr: check your USB receptacle inside with a magnifier glass |
| 05:16.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes the contacts are dirty or bent, somtimes there's debris inside the receptacle |
| 05:16.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | mldr: I gather you already tried another cable, did you? |
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| 07:07.07 | kakaballi | :( flasher downloads not available |
| 07:37.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | google is your friend |
| 07:39.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 |
| 07:39.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | for example |
| 07:40.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?O=0&K=maemo&do_Search=+Go+ |
| 07:42.07 | Maxdamantus | Mm .. so the microSD block device actually isn't there while the back cover is off. |
| 07:43.23 | Maxdamantus | that seems strange. |
| 07:43.35 | Maxdamantus | wonder if it's the userspace that's deleting the device. |
| 07:43.54 | freemangordon | it is the kernel |
| 07:44.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo-flasher.software.informer.com/ <- win exe |
| 07:44.30 | Maxdamantus | is the filesystem actually unmounted? |
| 07:44.53 | Maxdamantus | it must be by something, if it's the kernel that's removing the device. |
| 07:45.01 | Maxdamantus | unless it's some strange kernel behaviour. |
| 07:45.21 | Maxdamantus | I think block devices tend to hang around while they're still mounted. |
| 07:45.31 | Maxdamantus | UMS ones do, at least. |
| 07:45.38 | freemangordon | iirc fs is not unmounted |
| 07:48.02 | Maxdamantus | Yeah, it actually gets an ENODEV when you try to open the device when the cover's open. |
| 07:48.54 | Maxdamantus | [27939.298736] FAT: Directory bread(block 60982) failed |
| 07:49.04 | Maxdamantus | so no, looks like it's not unmounted. |
| 07:49.05 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 07:49.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it does a late umount |
| 07:49.21 | freemangordon | hmm? |
| 07:49.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | or at least tries to |
| 07:49.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what pali or kerio or whoever claimed it would do |
| 07:50.06 | kerio | i what |
| 07:50.09 | Maxdamantus | late umount as in after it can't access the device? |
| 07:50.15 | kerio | ah, when you remove the backcover? |
| 07:50.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | first kernel driver shuts down the uSD card power and emits a kevent |
| 07:50.19 | kerio | yeah, i think so |
| 07:50.19 | freemangordon | kernel removes the device(and powers uSD down), no matter what it tris, it is in vain |
| 07:50.31 | freemangordon | tries even |
| 07:50.35 | Maxdamantus | (so it just has an effect in the VFS, not in whether or not the filesystem is actually unmounted) |
| 07:50.53 | Maxdamantus | can the kernel be modified not to do that? |
| 07:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | kevent gets noticed by (I think) ke-recv and that tries to umount |
| 07:51.09 | freemangordon | yep, but it is too late |
| 07:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | too late for what? |
| 07:51.35 | freemangordon | for flushing writes, etc |
| 07:51.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a sync it's for sure too late ;-P |
| 07:51.44 | freemangordon | yep |
| 07:51.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | sync can take up to 30s |
| 07:52.17 | Maxdamantus | where does 30s come from? |
| 07:52.19 | freemangordon | Maxdamantus: yes, and even there might be similar patch against KP somewhere over the inet |
| 07:52.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh from my a.... |
| 07:52.36 | freemangordon | :) |
| 07:52.59 | Maxdamantus | yeah, unless the N900 kernel/OS has special behaviour, I don't think there's really any limit to how long sync can take. |
| 07:53.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody already did a patch to ignore the hall switch |
| 07:53.16 | Maxdamantus | I usually have to wait a few minutes to unmount USB drives. |
| 07:53.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you just need to load the right module, iirc |
| 07:53.47 | Maxdamantus | because my usual use of them is to copy a "large" file, which takes a few seconds for my HDs to read, but minutes for the flash drive to write. |
| 07:54.06 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: wait, afaik mmc driver is built-in into the zImage |
| 07:54.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maxdamantus: the limit is how much data can be in buffers (vs write speed to media) |
| 07:54.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | mompls |
| 07:54.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | my bookmarks are a huge pile of mess |
| 07:55.04 | Maxdamantus | Yeah, and the media can be as slow as it wants to be. |
| 07:55.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/memory-card-and-n900/m-p/1284833/highlight/true#M32100 here you are |
| 07:56.06 | Maxdamantus | saw a blog post or something a while ago where someone wrote a parallel port driver for SD cards. |
| 07:56.52 | Maxdamantus | ah yeah, I saw that thread before. |
| 07:57.00 | Maxdamantus | forgot about it, thanks. |
| 07:57.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 07:57.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | however, don't you rather want to fix your magnet? |
| 07:57.51 | freemangordon | hmm, that thread is missing the actual patch :( |
| 07:58.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, only "binary" |
| 07:58.22 | Maxdamantus | I suspect the patch wouldn't be hard to write. |
| 07:58.41 | freemangordon | not that it is hard to patch the kernel to ignore backcover gpio, but still |
| 07:59.43 | freemangordon | anyway /me is afk |
| 08:00.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | we discussed it a few weeks ago |
| 08:01.24 | Maxdamantus | probably `host->protect_card = 0; return;` as the body of `omap_hsmmc_protect_card` |
| 08:01.52 | Maxdamantus | what else is backcover GPIO used for? |
| 08:02.24 | Maxdamantus | there's meant to be something to use for serial communication, isn't there? |
| 08:02.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? |
| 08:03.15 | Maxdamantus | "not that it is hard to patch the kernel to ignore backcover gpio" |
| 08:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-11-19.log.html#t2013-11-19T01:10:48 |
| 08:03.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ff fff |
| 08:03.33 | Maxdamantus | sounded like there was something else backcover GPIO had an effect on. |
| 08:05.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's loosely related to camera |
| 08:07.32 | Maxdamantus | Oh, right. |
| 08:07.44 | freemangordon | Maxdamantus: interested in upstream kernel development for n900? |
| 08:08.34 | Maxdamantus | Possibly. |
| 08:08.56 | Maxdamantus | I haven't really done any serious kernel development, just poked around at a few things a couple of times. |
| 08:09.06 | Maxdamantus | but I'd be interested. |
| 08:09.18 | Maxdamantus | and I'd like to be able to run a newer kernel. |
| 08:09.26 | freemangordon | Maxdamantus: the current state http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1410991&postcount=100 |
| 08:10.32 | Maxdamantus | Cool. |
| 08:11.03 | freemangordon | Maxdamantus: when and if you decide to help, join #maemo-ssu and ping me :) |
| 08:11.33 | freemangordon | is on his way to work |
| 08:11.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 08:12.01 | Maxdamantus | Okay. |
| 08:12.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf |
| 08:12.32 | infobot | from memory, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 08:12.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, ahh |
| 08:13.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, if you feel nausea with the center-align then use http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1410991#post1410991 instead of http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1410991&postcount=100 |
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| 08:15.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/07/plasma-desktopWn3389.png BURP! |
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| 08:16.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually art but not legible ;-P |
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| 13:06.55 | silviof | Hi, im the "developer" of https://github.com/silvio/vagrant-n900-sdk -- if someone has suggestions. please let it know! |
| 13:08.10 | silviof | Zyou can find the talk page here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92598 |
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| 17:32.16 | Superpelican | sixwheeledbeast: I now have succesfully located the file and edited it, I'm trying to compile the module on my N900 (in the Debian chroot) but it's complaining about the kernel config |
| 17:32.56 | Superpelican | "ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid." |
| 17:33.40 | Superpelican | sixwheeledbeast: I'd prefer not to reconfigure the kernel myself, I'm afraid I'll end up with different settings than kernel-power, and that as a result of that my kernel module won't work |
| 17:33.56 | Superpelican | Where can I find the kernel-power config? |
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| 17:37.17 | sixwheeledbeast | Superpelican: I wouldn't know. I may know where the source is located but it doesn't mean I know what's in it ;) |
| 17:37.38 | sixwheeledbeast | Pali or freemangordon are prolly the best to ask. |
| 17:38.05 | freemangordon | hmm? |
| 17:38.18 | sixwheeledbeast | ^^ |
| 17:38.46 | freemangordon | Superpelican: what are you trying to compile? |
| 17:39.56 | Superpelican | freemangordon: Well the magnet sensor of my N900 seems to be broken |
| 17:40.02 | Superpelican | because I dropped it |
| 17:40.08 | freemangordon | ok |
| 17:40.29 | Superpelican | And I'm trying to compile the mmc_omap_hs kernel module |
| 17:40.34 | Superpelican | I edited it |
| 17:40.39 | freemangordon | only that module? |
| 17:40.42 | Superpelican | yes |
| 17:40.52 | freemangordon | where did you get the kernel source from? |
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| 17:41.07 | Superpelican | from http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/kernel-power-source_2.6.28-10power52_all.deb |
| 17:41.22 | freemangordon | Superpelican: hmm, no |
| 17:41.36 | freemangordon | apt-get source kernel-power |
| 17:41.58 | Superpelican | so you mean that that package is wrong? |
| 17:42.00 | freemangordon | I guess you are using scratchbox, correct? |
| 17:42.27 | Superpelican | eh no |
| 17:42.35 | Superpelican | I just downloaded that deb |
| 17:42.44 | Superpelican | extracted it with an archive manager |
| 17:42.58 | Superpelican | edited the file |
| 17:43.05 | Superpelican | and scp'ed the whole kernel dir to my Nokia |
| 17:43.08 | freemangordon | you need arm compiler :) |
| 17:43.17 | Superpelican | and tried to make the module on my N900 in the Debian chroot |
| 17:43.19 | freemangordon | ah |
| 17:43.21 | Luke-Jr | AMD has some new ARM CPUs coming out |
| 17:44.08 | freemangordon | Superpelican: well, I've never tried that way, so I don;t now if it is possible or not. I'd recommend you to install scratchbox |
| 17:44.28 | freemangordon | then (from within SB) do apt-get source kernel-power |
| 17:44.42 | freemangordon | and "dpkg-buildpackage -frakeroot -b" |
| 17:44.50 | freemangordon | sorry.. |
| 17:44.52 | Superpelican | ok |
| 17:45.01 | freemangordon | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b |
| 17:45.06 | freemangordon | is the correct command |
| 17:45.36 | freemangordon | you'll see a build directory created under debian directory |
| 17:45.59 | freemangordon | edit whatever needed under that tree |
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| 17:46.24 | freemangordon | then "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -nc" should do the job |
| 17:46.27 | silviof | Superpelican: for fast setup take: https://github.com/silvio/vagrant-n900-sdk :-P |
| 17:47.03 | freemangordon | "-nc" is very important, otherwise your changes will disappear |
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| 17:48.16 | Superpelican | BTW the apt-get source on the N900 returned: "E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list" |
| 17:48.44 | freemangordon | Superpelican: IIRC I told ya to do this in scratchbox, not on n900 |
| 17:48.57 | Superpelican | yes ;) |
| 17:49.07 | freemangordon | or just grab tarball from the repo |
| 17:49.15 | freemangordon | and .dsc file |
| 17:49.20 | Superpelican | which tarball? |
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| 17:50.20 | freemangordon | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/k/kernel-power/ |
| 17:50.34 | freemangordon | choose the one by your liking :P |
| 17:50.57 | freemangordon | I guess kernel-power_2.6.28-10power52.diff.gz is what you want |
| 17:51.10 | freemangordon | along with kernel-power_2.6.28-10power52.dsc |
| 17:51.29 | Superpelican | why the patches? |
| 17:51.46 | freemangordon | hmm? what patches? |
| 17:51.50 | silviof | freemangordon: Is somewhere a gitrepository for the n900-kernel? |
| 17:52.01 | freemangordon | silviof: sure, what version? |
| 17:52.13 | freemangordon | kernel-power or upstream? |
| 17:52.21 | Superpelican | the diff.gz |
| 17:52.38 | silviof | freemangordon: all - i will see the differences between all versions and flavors of this kernel |
| 17:52.51 | silviof | freemangordon: booth |
| 17:53.06 | silviof | s/both/ |
| 17:53.10 | freemangordon | silviof: just a minute, to feed the birdy and I'll post the links |
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| 17:53.45 | silviof | freemangordon: thx - greetings to the bird. |
| 17:54.09 | freemangordon | Superpelican: you need .orig.tar.gx (that is the upstream) .diff.tar.gz (to apply patches on top of it) and .dsc, so dpkg-source to know what to do |
| 17:54.35 | Superpelican | but I still need to do all that in the scratchbox? |
| 17:54.38 | freemangordon | Superpelican: so you need kernel-power_2.6.28.orig.tar.gz |
| 17:54.55 | freemangordon | Superpelican: no idea if it will work in debian chroot |
| 17:55.27 | freemangordon | you need to download those 3 files in 1 directory, do dpkg-source -x kernel-power_2.6.28-10power52.dsc |
| 17:55.43 | freemangordon | that will extract the orig source and will apply patches |
| 17:56.20 | Superpelican | ok |
| 17:56.30 | Superpelican | so it's almost completely automated :)? |
| 17:56.32 | freemangordon | Superpelican: keep in mind that time needed to compile the kernel on n900 is maybe a couple of times bigger than the time needed to install scratchbox and compile the kernel |
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| 17:56.50 | freemangordon | in scratchbox that is |
| 17:57.17 | Superpelican | I know |
| 17:57.20 | Superpelican | but I'm fine with that |
| 17:57.30 | Superpelican | My Jolla is now my main phone |
| 17:58.20 | freemangordon | silviof: this https://gitorious.org/linux-n900/freemangordons-linux-n900/source/1434dbd7fbc5ec257b6cd6c547689b79177d1937: is the latest upstream that works on n900 and I am aware of |
| 17:59.06 | freemangordon | silviof: kernel-power is here https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power |
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| 18:02.07 | freemangordon | silviof: here http://sre.ring0.de/linux/ are the repos of sre, who does really great job bringing DT support to n900 |
| 18:02.35 | silviof | freemangordon: ou dts on n900 - nice |
| 18:02.48 | freemangordon | sure, we hve no option |
| 18:03.24 | freemangordon | though I still didn't try it (DT boot), still using legacy boot even with 3.14-rc1 |
| 18:03.33 | silviof | freemangordon: yes - i have reactivate my n900 since 2 years and im impressed that we have some v3.13 branches in the repo |
| 18:03.50 | freemangordon | silviof: which repo? |
| 18:04.18 | silviof | freemangordon: yours ^^ freemangordons-linux-n900/v3.13-rc6-n900 |
| 18:04.35 | freemangordon | silviof: look closer, there is 3.14-rc1 :P |
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| 18:05.12 | silviof | freemangordon: for me it is impresses enought not to have a 2.6 kernel. |
| 18:05.27 | silviof | freemangordon: Than now i have a weekend project |
| 18:05.33 | freemangordon | silviof: well, upstream is still not ready for primetime |
| 18:05.48 | silviof | freemangordon: yea - i know - is a hard fight |
| 18:06.21 | freemangordon | silviof: but in case you're not aware maemo 5 (with a little help) boots with that kernel |
| 18:06.26 | freemangordon | and is actually usable |
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| 18:06.50 | freemangordon | 2 major subsystems are broken though - sound and cameras |
| 18:07.26 | silviof | freemangordon: i'm not aware (my uptime of n900 is 3 days, before that i have a downtime of 2 years for the n900) - I have relearn many things in the n900 world. |
| 18:07.48 | freemangordon | silviof: oh, check that one then: |
| 18:07.56 | freemangordon | ~cssu-thumb |
| 18:07.57 | infobot | somebody said cssu-thumb was <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb |
| 18:08.02 | silviof | hmm camera is not the problem, but sound is bad (for a telefon) |
| 18:08.35 | freemangordon | well, speaker and jack work with the help of alsamixer |
| 18:09.06 | freemangordon | but not the earphone, though sre reported that for him, earphone works but nothing else :D |
| 18:09.35 | freemangordon | and I can'f find enough spare time to push on that hard |
| 18:09.44 | freemangordon | *can't |
| 18:10.08 | freemangordon | silviof: out of curiosity - why back to n900 after 2 years? |
| 18:11.05 | silviof | freemangordon: I hate android and all other "alternatives" |
| 18:12.28 | silviof | freemangordon: I run 2 years with the strange emotion that I was cheat |
| 18:12.34 | silviof | :-) |
| 18:12.55 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 18:13.00 | freemangordon | anyway, /me gtg |
| 18:13.04 | freemangordon | night |
| 18:13.09 | silviof | bye |
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| 18:22.37 | sixwheeledbeast | Is it the sensor broken or a problem with the magnet? |
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| 18:55.43 | silviof | freemangordon: is the kernel development going on a separate mailinglist? or alkml? |
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