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| 01:33.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | user-dirs.dirs - hmm, maybe it's just getting installed during flashing? |
| 01:38.09 | hxka | My memory may be unreliable, but I remember not having it after first boot |
| 01:52.19 | hxka | I mounted rootfs.jffs2, and there is no user-dirs.dirs |
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| 02:03.08 | hxka | And /opt/lib/libQtGui.so.4.7.0, /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0, /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0.2000.3, and /usr/lib/microb-engine/libxul.so are the only binary files that contain string "user-dirs.dirs" |
| 02:03.40 | hxka | So it must be something that use those libs that creates it |
| 02:03.50 | hxka | Maybe even h-d :) |
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| 04:39.31 | Maxdamantus | So does anyone have a backup of repository.maemo.org for if/when it goes down? |
| 04:40.07 | bef0rd | that site is handled by the community already |
| 04:40.13 | Maxdamantus | Ah, okay. |
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| 04:45.50 | bef0rd | and when I say 'community', I mean the community council people which is doing all the work to handle the maemo infrastructure |
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| 05:22.11 | SAiF | I cannot initialize ssh from my pc to maemo. if I ssh from maemo to pc, then I can connect from pc to maemo. |
| 05:22.39 | SAiF | Is it somehow because ssh is not running by default on maemo or something like that? |
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| 05:42.52 | SAiF | and I did the dumpest thing one could do... I deleted the user account. and Xterminal collapsed.. |
| 05:43.23 | SAiF | now even after I added user , xterminal is not working.. |
| 05:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash |
| 05:44.21 | SAiF | oops. |
| 05:44.29 | SAiF | nope |
| 05:44.55 | SAiF | I can ssh into it now. and can add account "user".. |
| 05:45.02 | SAiF | actually added user.. |
| 05:45.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 05:45.37 | SAiF | I deleted user and xterm collapsed.. so |
| 05:53.35 | SAiF | Doc, you meant restart.. right.. It is working after a restart.. |
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| 07:03.27 | SAiF | ~flashing |
| 07:03.27 | infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 08:26.29 | hxka | SAiF: I might be something to do with wi-fi energy saving options |
| 08:26.59 | hxka | iirc one of them makes it so only n900 can establish connections |
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| 08:42.10 | SAiF | hmm.. |
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| 08:58.36 | zGrr | moin :) |
| 09:09.05 | SAiF | moin |
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| 09:19.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | err nope, I'm establishing inbound ssh session to N900 since 5 years |
| 09:20.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and before to N810 |
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| 09:22.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | but "deleting user" isn't a nice idea. Depending on how you "deleted" it you will lose various amount of data. starting with assigned user numerical id when you only removed the etc/passwd entry, to the complete ~user/ aka /home/user/* data |
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| 09:23.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ $ id |
| 09:23.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) |
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| 09:25.26 | wnd | wifi power saving most definitely doesn't prevent you from connecting to/from n900, but occasionally it does make it painful to /use/ the connection (to n900) |
| 09:25.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | no it doesn't |
| 09:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it can cause lags |
| 09:26.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even packet loss or stall of connection |
| 09:26.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway: |
| 09:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ $ stat ~ |
| 09:26.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Device: b30ah/45834d Inode: 8193 Links: 67 |
| 09:26.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Access: (0755/drwxr-xr-x) Uid: (29999/ user) Gid: (29999/ users) |
| 09:27.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you delete and recreate "user", it might get created with different numerical user ID and thus can't access ~user/ anymore since that is 29999 |
| 09:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and some apps even have that 29999 hardcoded I guess |
| 09:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least some scripts might |
| 09:29.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | pain with wifi powersaving usually gets cured by selecting "low" or "none" for PS |
| 09:29.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | or - better - by using a decent AP |
| 09:31.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | while my D-Link had exactly those massive lags in shell, my "new" Linksys DDwrt works flawlessly with N900 |
| 09:32.58 | jaska | my ancient wrt54gl with tomato seems to work well with it too |
| 09:33.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's exactly my "new" Linksys ;-) |
| 09:33.37 | jaska | the zyxels at office less so.. but theyre pure shit anyway |
| 09:33.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | zyxel is da shite |
| 09:34.08 | jaska | i had to make a script to reboot them every morning at 6 :) |
| 09:34.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pity! they been really good when 9600baud modems been the hottest stuff around |
| 09:36.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually they seem to have hired engineers who were eager to violate all recommendations of RFC-BEHAVE-UDP |
| 09:37.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | full cone NAT and dunno what |
| 09:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | fux0red SIP-ALG |
| 09:38.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | broken WLAN security |
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| 09:39.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I had to give the engineers a phonecall to learn how to manage that brick in a way so it *somewhat* worked |
| 09:40.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | learned some "sekrit" telnet voodoo incantations |
| 09:43.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | still a massive PITA of almost all NATs: even when you do a port forward extern(5060)->intern(5060) that does NOT mean that your intern PC creating a connection from port5060 to a SIP server port 5060 goes thru that pinhole in NAT. The SIP server will still see your connection coming from a random port in the upper nnnnn port range |
| 09:46.32 | jaska | they also have more than one remote root hole in some of their aps |
| 09:47.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw Draytek Vigor isn't much better than ZyXEL |
| 09:49.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | FritzBox is (too) simple but at least works |
| 09:50.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be better via telnet/ssh for those FB you actually can install a telnet or sshd to |
| 09:51.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't even shut down the SIP service on "mine" - so port5060 "isn't available" for pinholing |
| 09:52.00 | jaska | i had a free fritz from the isp but i didnt find it very useful as i didnt want it to nat anything... just bridge on the lan |
| 09:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | lucky enough my provider works just fine with port forwards for 5062-5080 and 10000-10050, on both cascaded NAT, for even 4 SIP clients I run here |
| 09:53.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaska: EEEK, you expose your LAN to the wider public of your city? |
| 09:54.15 | jaska | my home lan? yes. assuming they have the wpa2psk key |
| 09:54.45 | jaska | there are a bunch of open wlans in my neighborhood anyway, so im not the low-hanging fruit |
| 09:55.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | with some cable providers here in Germany you allow much fun for other clients on same DSLAM |
| 09:55.29 | jaska | the fiber connection is firewalled by another linux box |
| 09:55.55 | jaska | and i am alone in my fiber segment :) |
| 09:56.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | real fun when somebody found out they send all traffic to all client DSL modems on one DSLAM |
| 09:56.39 | jaska | sounds borked |
| 09:56.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you are also *supposed* to be alone on your DSL segment |
| 09:57.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, very borked |
| 09:59.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik on the TV cable internet they use encryption so you can't read traffic meant for other destination IPs even when you switch the modem-router to promiscuous mode |
| 09:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | on DSL they evidently don't |
| 10:00.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | so on some DSL providers you have a *really* huge "LAN" when you don't use NAT |
| 10:02.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather: when you use a simple modem |
| 10:03.25 | Hurrian | ...what ISP-issued modem isn't shit? |
| 10:03.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, your local ethernet switch may help - unless you use a hub (which is a device I really seek for) |
| 10:04.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: I don't know any provider that issues modems |
| 10:04.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | modems are so.... 2000ish |
| 10:05.16 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: my ISP issued me a Zyxel modem - it was damn good reliable, a few years later they sent out free wifi+modem combo routers, those are ass. |
| 10:05.35 | Gh0sty | as usual :p |
| 10:05.49 | Hurrian | i'm in a third world backwater so yeah, ADSL2+ is still the hottest shit in town |
| 10:06.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, here you can get VDSL when you're lucky |
| 10:06.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | but still... a *real* modem? |
| 10:06.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | with USB connection to the PC? |
| 10:07.25 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: ethernet ;) |
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| 10:08.00 | Hurrian | luckily, my house is a 30 second walk from the DSLAM, so I could probably get VDSL if my ISP never finishes the fiber rollout to our area |
| 10:08.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, the ethernet ones are already less prone to expanding your LAN to dunno how far, when I think about it |
| 10:09.45 | Hurrian | it's a single-port affair - I have it hooked up to a router running Tomato for WiFi and firewall stuff. |
| 10:10.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | fiber, nobody can and wants to pay for that in Germany. You'd need to turn whole Germany into a construction site to bury the fibers |
| 10:10.33 | Hurrian | well, my ISP is rolling out fiber and they didn't bury the fiber :P |
| 10:10.43 | Hurrian | power lines are on poles here! :D |
| 10:11.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, the benefit of crappy infra |
| 10:11.17 | fizzie | Our ISP keeps switching modems faster than some people switch socks; they did go from a horrible ZTE thing that I got to some ZyXEL unit I heard good words about, and judging from the forums they've gone again to something else. |
| 10:11.45 | Hurrian | my ISP already has fiber in my area - there's a fiber cable right outside my room, and what is presumably a splitter on a pole (GPON, iirc). |
| 10:12.10 | Hurrian | i've seen the contractors testing it, it's lighted up |
| 10:12.25 | Hurrian | i've called them up around 20 times over the past 2 months, and they're still not offering it in my business area :( |
| 10:13.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | that stuff often takes years from hardware infra rollout and tests to finally offering a service |
| 10:15.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | around 2000 the company I been working for had a 2Mb duplex sym fiber, which been a real project to get into the house and costs around 1000EUR/month |
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| 10:17.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty funny since DSL with 512kb down and 128kb up been around 40 bucks same time |
| 10:17.27 | Hurrian | lemme guess, leased line? |
| 10:17.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 10:19.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I think DSL even offered 1Mb/128kb for around same pricetag already |
| 10:20.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, upstream reached 1Mb much later |
| 10:21.11 | Hurrian | ...DSL speeds here only upgraded this year, after around 10 years of the same price/speeds, sadly |
| 10:22.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | "here" is where? |
| 10:22.46 | Hurrian | iirc it was 512kb/128kb, then 1mb/512kb, now it's 2mb/768kb for the equivalent of US$25 |
| 10:22.51 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: the Philippines |
| 10:22.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 10:25.46 | Hurrian | most of the stagnancy's from the best ISP being almost a monopoly - they own the #1 mobile provider, bought the #2, and own the best (price/speed/customer service) ISP. |
| 10:26.41 | Hurrian | the ISP in second place is pretty much the only other company to have cable stations going out of the country, and they're expensive and slow, unfortunately. |
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| 10:27.12 | zGrr | hmm.. |
| 10:27.38 | zGrr | somehow, i don't think that anyone will make accelerated X for the Pi. |
| 10:28.40 | zGrr | or maybe i have mistaken impression from reading the forums. |
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| 10:43.30 | Maxdamantus | Does it really require that much effort. |
| 10:44.18 | Maxdamantus | it seems to me that the lack of things like vaapi and GLX is because they released some basically PoC stuff which was then directly integrated into things like xbmc |
| 10:44.46 | Maxdamantus | rather than into another stack, where it's meant to implement a bunch of protocols etc |
| 10:45.56 | Maxdamantus | I imagine eventually the kernel will be merged into linus' tree too. |
| 10:48.24 | Maxdamantus | iirc, I merged it up a few versions to the latest release without any conflicts a while ago. |
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| 13:39.58 | Ras_Older | Is this totally wrong place to ask for help when I tried to submit a bug report through garage.maemo.org to mEveMon project? While submitting I got error message "Artifact: ERROR: syntax error at or near "accounts" LINE 27: if \'accounts\' not in self.config.sections: ^". |
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| 13:58.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I fail on reproducing your procedure. URLs would probably help, or even screenshots |
| 13:59.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally I don't know of a standard method on garage to submit a bug report |
| 14:00.53 | Ras_Older | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1544&atid=5565 I tried to submit from there and it also gives error about the ssl certificate. |
| 14:01.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, please create an exception in your browser about the cert |
| 14:02.13 | Ras_Older | I did already. |
| 14:02.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I still dunno how you created that bug |
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| 14:03.42 | Ras_Older | By submitting a bug report as I said through that website that I linked :) |
| 14:05.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, need info |
| 14:06.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | we can't create bugs to check if we can find out what you did, in detail |
| 14:06.19 | Ras_Older | Sure I can provide you with anything you want :D What do you need then? |
| 14:07.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | please file a ticket against web/garage on bugs.maemo.org |
| 14:07.54 | Ras_Older | Alright doing that now then ^^ |
| 14:08.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already can tell you that we probably have no manpower to look into that issue any time soonish |
| 14:08.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | techstaff is short on maintainers for about everything maemo-infra |
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| 14:14.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | are you sure you're logged in? |
| 14:15.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1544&atid=5565 gave me same error you described, until i logged in |
| 14:16.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I however can't reproduce exactly since I have admin right on garage |
| 14:16.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what I see is not what you'll see, no matter if you're logged in or not |
| 14:17.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | just when we both are not logged in, we evidently both see similar stuff |
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| 14:18.54 | Ras_Older | I see myself as logged in. When I am not logged into the website I cannot even see the required link for finding that page. |
| 14:19.22 | Ras_Older | And I can browse through my user page aswell so yes I am logged in. |
| 14:20.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, then a screenshot showing exactly what values we shall insert in which fields and on which button/link we shall click so next is error popping up will probably be needed |
| 14:26.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | concluding from error message the project might have no accounts assigned |
| 14:31.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | though it looks normal |
| 14:34.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, syntax error seems pretty specific an error message. Though I wonder who might have introduced a typo into something that's supposed to be tested and working since several years |
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| 14:44.35 | Ras_Older | I tested this now with Firefox 27 and Internet Explorer 11 and it reproduced with both of them. |
| 14:49.35 | Ras_Older | What should I choose as severity for that issue or does it really matter if the techies are busy? |
| 14:53.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | techstaff is not responsible for community contributed apps |
| 14:54.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it doesn't matter what the bug ticket says, we need to know how to reproduce the error in garage |
| 14:54.57 | Ras_Older | Yeah alright submitting this soon now |
| 14:55.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | however we likewise can't create random tickets in random projects and then send a mail to the maintainers of the project and excuse for the noise |
| 14:55.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | so we need precise info how this can get reproduced |
| 14:57.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it will not change anything for the mEveMon project, even when we find somebody to assign to this b.m.o ticket about tickets in garage failing |
| 14:57.17 | Ras_Older | Yeah I do know that. |
| 14:58.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | then I don't understand your question "What should I choose as severity for that issue or does it really matter if the techies are busy?" |
| 14:58.09 | Ras_Older | I am just submitting a bug report of an issue of not being able to submit a bug report \:D/ hooray |
| 14:58.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, for the b.m.o ticket |
| 14:58.28 | Ras_Older | Yeah exactly. |
| 14:58.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | bug, normal severity |
| 14:58.39 | Ras_Older | ok |
| 15:00.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is we have no "techies" |
| 15:01.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | severe showstoppers will get assigned to whoever is available |
| 15:13.40 | Ras_Older | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12726 submitted now if you want to see the screenshots still |
| 15:13.42 | povbot_ | 04Bug 12726: Cannot submit a bug report |
| 15:16.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Issued to: *.maemo.org |
| 15:16.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Issued by: maemo.org Tech Root CA |
| 15:16.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka "self-issued cert" |
| 15:18.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is a notification, not an error |
| 15:19.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | (though I wonder why garage has no START cert) |
| 15:20.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | for bugs and wiki it's obvious that we'd need a wildcard cert, but I don't see why garage needs a wildcard |
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| 15:22.03 | Snafu7 | Foo |
| 15:22.09 | Snafu7 | . |
| 15:24.31 | Ras_Older | a.k.a couldn't afford to get a proper cert :D yeah I know how these work. Just thought to mention it in there aswell. I agree with you that it is more of a notification but to those who aren't so acquainted with security stuff they tend to get spooked about those unnecessarily. Would be more user friendly to have it done the "official" way although it might cost a bit. |
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| 17:15.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Ras_Older: the mein problem is: we still don't "own" the DNS |
| 17:15.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | main* |
| 17:16.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | so "officially" Nokia had to apply and receive a wildcard cert for *.maemo.org |
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| 20:00.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | .- |
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| 20:42.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | misses "morse" cmdline binary |
| 20:42.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | strange |
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| 20:54.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | even worse: can't find it in my "recent" backups either, nor on SuSE search |
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| 22:59.03 | sixwheeledbeast | hmm, has something expired on our N900's, seems jabber and IRC has "network error" for all the N900's I have access to in the last few days. |
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| 23:04.05 | kerio | :o |
| 23:04.08 | kerio | that's not good |
| 23:04.38 | sixwheeledbeast^ | mmm got IRC working with SSL switched off. |
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| 23:07.17 | sixwheeledbeast | no luck with changing settings in jabber tho. Desktop pidgin seems fine. |
| 23:23.30 | sixwheeledbeast | Possibly security/ipv6 test days on xmpp network? |
| 23:23.52 | sixwheeledbeast | still not sure why IRC wasn't working. |
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| 23:32.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | freenode SSL blowfish is flawed and thus disabled |
| 23:33.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I recall instructions saying "use PLAIN instead" |
| 23:33.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems a bug in upstream blowfish implementation |
| 23:33.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | all discalimer: IIRC |
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