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| 05:27.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, povbot missing |
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| 05:31.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen mgedmin |
| 05:31.50 | infobot | mgedmin is currently on #harmattan, last said: 'if you rephrase the question as "what does it mean when the irc client on my n9 says 'channel mode is ...'", it suddenly becomes on-topic ;)'. |
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| 08:47.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/04/plasma-desktopRl3389.png |
| 08:48.36 | SAiFu | and you know chinese..? |
| 08:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | enough |
| 08:49.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | though this is japanese according to google-translate |
| 08:50.10 | SAiFu | :-D |
| 08:50.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://translate.google.com/?hl=de#auto/de/<p>評判がいい<a href="http://www.partynavi.jp/" target="_blank">エクシオ</a>のパーティーに行って、カップルになった僕。<br />%0A３０代、ごくごく普通のサラリーマン。<br />%0Aエクシオのパーティーはやっぱり評判通り雰囲気が良く、<br />%0A初めての頃からすぐに馴染むことができた。</p>% |
| 08:50.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0A<p>そして２度ほどカップルに。<br />%0Aエクシオのパーティーは美人揃いで評判だけど、<br />%0Aその中でもとくに群を抜いた美人２人だ。</p>%0A<p>そして、後から知り合ったほうとは、今も連絡を取り合っている。<br />%0A美人なだけじゃなく、評判がいい会社のOLで、<br />%0A仕事も何もかもできそうな人だ。</p>% |
| 08:50.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0A<p>僕は彼女と話をするたびに、なんだか得体の知れない<br />%0A敗北感にさいなまされる。<br />%0A僕の知らない世界のことを、スラスラ話されるからかもしれない。</p>%0A<p>そして彼女のことを知れば知るほど、才女ぶりが明かされる。<br />%0A学歴、経歴、趣味、特技・・・どれもこれも、<br />%0A噂には聞くけど、 |
| 08:50.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | 僕には縁のないものばかり。<br />%0Aヴァイオリンや、フランス語、名前だけは知っているお嬢様学校・・・。</p>%0A<p>デートが終わると、劣等感と敗北感でボロボロになっている僕。<br />%0Aでも、連絡が来ると、散歩に出かける前の犬のように、跳ね回ってしまう。<br />%0Aこれはデート前の期待感からなんだろうか。<br />% |
| 08:50.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0Aだとすると、期待感が大きすぎるから、敗北感も大きいんだろうか。</p>%0A<p>少し、デートに期待するのをやめてみようと思う僕。<br />%0A思えば、これ以上に高望みすることなんかないはずだ。<br />%0A癒しとか、ほっとするとか・・・</p>%0A<p>いや、僕が本当に求めていたものはこっちだったか！！<br />%0Aもう一度、 |
| 08:50.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | 始めからやり直そう。</p> |
| 08:50.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops |
| 08:50.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
| 08:50.39 | SAiFu | hahahaaaa |
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| 08:52.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I you go to the party of </ a> <a href="http://www.partynavi.jp/" target="_blank"> Ekushio <p> good reputation, became a couple. <br /> 30's, very, very average salaried worker. <br /> Atmosphere is good, and the party of the Ekushio <br /> reputation as after all I was able to adapt quickly since I was a first time. </ p> the couple about two degrees and <p>. <br / |
| 08:54.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually wonder if we need planet.maemo.org at all anymore |
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| 08:55.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't believe anybody is using it |
| 08:55.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | except spammers of course |
| 08:57.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | אימון כושר אישי בחדר כושר בליווי מדריך צמוד |
| 08:57.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemotalk.com/2014/02/03/אימון-כושר-אישי-בחדר-כושר-בליווי-מדריך/ |
| 09:00.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I kicked maemotalk out of planet.maemo.org subscriptions |
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| 10:20.35 | zGrr | moin :) |
| 10:22.13 | SAiFu | moin :) |
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| 10:42.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you want irc chanlog to continue, you might try to find out about mail addr of marius gedminas aka mgedmin and tell him about povbot missing in #maemo, #maemo-ssu, #harmattan (plus probably a lot of other chan as well) |
| 10:44.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://mg.pov.lt/ might help |
| 10:46.05 | jonwil | hi |
| 10:46.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey jonwil! hi! long time no see. How's life? |
| 10:47.07 | jonwil | good |
| 10:47.14 | jonwil | Still looking for both a house and a job |
| 10:47.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 10:48.34 | jonwil | Still using my N900 (tried to convince family member that a Galaxy S was better than an iPhone, family member bought the iPhone anyway because they already have a work iPhone and a work iPad :) |
| 10:48.48 | jonwil | me, I would never use a (cr)apple product |
| 10:49.48 | jonwil | still interested in owning a Neo900 but unfortunately things like furniture and such are higher priority |
| 10:53.22 | jonwil | still vaguely following the FPTF work (which as far as I can tell seems to have gone basically no-where) |
| 10:53.44 | jonwil | Only recent RE work I can find seems to be libcityinfo and some stuff on fmtxd |
| 10:54.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91606&page=6 |
| 10:54.28 | jonwil | not that the fmtxd work isn't useful for FPTF though since the FM chip on Neo900 wont be the N900 one |
| 10:55.01 | jonwil | what about that page? |
| 10:55.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | it is the right direction anyway |
| 10:56.03 | jonwil | all I can see on that page is some stuff about people fiddling with MCE |
| 10:56.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 10:56.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I can't help on FPTF |
| 10:58.19 | jonwil | looking back at things, looks like the big problems for FPTF are still what they were before xmas, namely audio, cellular modem and GPS (in that order) |
| 10:59.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think any of those is a *big* problem |
| 10:59.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, audio is not easy |
| 11:00.02 | jonwil | cellular and GPS are mostly problems because of all the unknown DBUS interfaces and stuff |
| 11:00.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that's probably also the reason why nobody wants to take up the challenge |
| 11:00.28 | jonwil | i.e. no-one knows what needs doing in order to create the needed drop-in-replacement for the cellular services daemon and its plugins |
| 11:01.25 | jonwil | again, its probably not being done because its hard |
| 11:02.41 | jonwil | and because the subset of people who actually need a drop-in replacement for CSD (so they can use the maemo dialer/messaging/etc/etc/etc) is much smaller than the set of people who will be happy with an ofono port and some existing dialer and other bits that can talk to ofono |
| 11:03.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | hardly |
| 11:03.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I don't see anybody working on ofono either |
| 11:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | nor an existing dialer that would fit |
| 11:03.55 | jonwil | hmmm good point |
| 11:05.08 | jonwil | I suspect the issue is simply that the N900/Neo900/Maemo/FPTF community just doesn't have anyone with cellular stack skills or the required level of reverse engineering skills :P |
| 11:06.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, dbus-monitor is a daunting complex tool |
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| 11:07.09 | jonwil | its not dbus-monitor thats the problem, its making sense when the output displays 5 different integer values and zero clue as to what the numbers actually MEAN |
| 11:07.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | fso gsmd would already work with dbus interface, you just would need to slightly change it so it understands the fremantle dbus msgs csd is using |
| 11:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure you have no clue what the integers might mean, until you look into an existing imple,emtation that probably is using similar parameters |
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| 11:09.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | even AT command specs will probably give away ~95% of what parameters to expect |
| 11:10.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure fso and ofono modem drivers will shed a bright light on what set of parameters is needed |
| 11:15.40 | jonwil | not always, com.nokia.phone.sim.get_service_provider_info for example has unknown values despite me pulling apart every related binary on the N900, tracing the value all the way to where it gets sent to libisi (and hence to the cellular modem) and reading every piece of code in ofono (fsogsmd n900 driver seems to basically be a rip straight from ofono with fso-specific changes on it and is... |
| 11:15.42 | jonwil | ...therefore unlikely to show any extra useful info beyond what ofono does) |
| 11:16.10 | jonwil | and thats just one, there are probably others that would be just as hard to RE |
| 11:18.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I dunno if your explanations would motivate me to look into anything |
| 11:18.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd probably better ignore what you say and simply look into AT command set and start with ATD |
| 11:18.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, prolly with AT+CFUN= |
| 11:19.36 | jonwil | if someone can figure out what the numbers for get_service_provide_info actually MEAN, I for one will be VERY VERY happy |
| 11:20.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, you and 5 million other people on this earth |
| 11:20.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe they simply mean nothing at all |
| 11:20.49 | zGrr | N900 is irreplaceable |
| 11:21.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 11:22.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I for one don't care much about get_service_provide_info - I#m pretty sure a phone would work even without any implementation of get_service_provide_info |
| 11:23.16 | jonwil | that's probably true, dialer isn't the one using it |
| 11:23.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be very very happy if somebody would simply start with "start up modem", and "initiate call <phone number>" |
| 11:25.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I already mentioned that I suspect dialer is using basically same dbus command set for SIP and CSD calls |
| 11:25.55 | jonwil | dialer doesn't use dbus |
| 11:26.00 | jonwil | dialer talks to telepathy |
| 11:26.09 | jonwil | and for cell calls to telepathy-ring |
| 11:26.09 | SAiFu | ? |
| 11:26.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine |
| 11:26.21 | jonwil | closed source and very annoying to RE |
| 11:26.38 | jonwil | well dialer does talk to a few dbus interfaces |
| 11:26.56 | jonwil | but its telepathy-ring thats doing a lot of the talking to the cellular services daemon |
| 11:27.48 | jonwil | if I get some spare time I will write up a list of all the cellular-related dbus things used by the dialer and the things the dialer uses. |
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| 11:28.03 | jonwil | i.e. which methods and signals and such the dialer needs in order to do its work |
| 11:28.27 | jonwil | and probably the messaging UI at the same time since SMS is probably just as important as voice calls |
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| 13:42.44 | SAiF | can anyone identify which browser this is .? http://cgi.ebay.in/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=171233337235 |
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| 13:47.39 | warfare | SAiF: Firefox Mobile? |
| 13:48.04 | warfare | SAiF: IIRC it's called fennec. |
| 13:48.40 | SAiF | there is no fennec currently right? |
| 13:48.53 | r00t^d430 | there is an (old?) binary package for maemo somewhere... it's barely usable with swap enabled |
| 13:50.21 | SAiF | so I think that listed phone was not used for quite some time.. |
| 13:50.54 | r00t^d430 | that page does not work for me... can you link the image directly? |
| 13:51.56 | SAiF | may be this one will work.. http://www.ebay.in/itm/Nokia-n900-/171233337235?pt=IN_Mobile_Phones&hash=item27de4d5f93 |
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| 13:53.32 | r00t^d430 | SAiF: nobody stops anybody from installing an old browser onto a phone... |
| 13:53.48 | SAiF | hmm.. |
| 13:53.52 | winocm | by any chance, does the n900 only charge in a working OS? |
| 13:53.59 | winocm | well, charge properly |
| 13:54.48 | r00t^d430 | yes |
| 14:04.37 | merlin1991 | if the battery is too low the loading chip does a short emergency charge, but after that you need a working os |
| 14:08.10 | hxka | There is fennec in cssu-thumb repository iirc |
| 14:10.16 | hxka | Yup, 17.0a1-maemo-thumb0 |
| 14:11.13 | frals | cant you do flasher -Owait-for-charge or whatever, or was that added for harmattan? |
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| 14:30.24 | hxka | I think it's the feature on N9 and N950 boards rather then harmattan's |
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| 14:31.48 | hxka | If it's even a fature and flasher is not waiting for harmattan to charge the battery |
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| 14:45.09 | merlin1991 | frals: that's a harmattan thing |
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| 15:51.54 | frals | kk |
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| 17:12.54 | Snafu777 | Does authconfig or something similar exist for the n900? |
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| 19:11.51 | Snafu777 | Does anyone know how to change the N900 from using DES in passwd to something else? As well, any thoughts on /etc/shadow? |
| 19:11.57 | Snafu777 | Please and Thanks |
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| 19:41.57 | wnd | Snafu777, autoconfig? My N900 does get a (valid) IPv6 address with (IPv6) autoconfiguration. |
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| 20:02.18 | Snafu777 | nono wnd: not that |
| 20:02.37 | Snafu777 | I'm wanting to change my DES encryption for passwd over to something like sha-512, etc... |
| 20:03.02 | Snafu777 | I know I could manually throw in a hash for like sha512 or whatever, but i dunno if it would work |
| 20:03.28 | Snafu777 | i would like to create sha-512 password hashes (anything other than DES @ 8 chars) into passwd upon creation of new accts |
| 20:03.32 | Snafu777 | reason being |
| 20:03.34 | Snafu777 | ssh |
| 20:03.38 | Snafu777 | i use it when i am tethering |
| 20:04.02 | Snafu777 | and since its hooked into the phone lines via GSM, that leaves me vulnerable aside from doing iptables, which im not that good at |
| 20:04.15 | Snafu777 | so lets say user bob's password is 123456789 |
| 20:04.26 | Snafu777 | so long as the attacker gets 12345678 they are logged in |
| 20:04.34 | Snafu777 | because DES only cares about the first 8 chars |
| 20:04.40 | Snafu777 | hence, why I would like to change it |
| 20:06.19 | Snafu777 | Make sense? |
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| 20:22.46 | wnd | I understand your concern, but firstly I wonder if you're even accessable from internet. It's not unthinkable that your ISP blocks input ports, especially if you're running ssh on privileged port. |
| 20:23.52 | Snafu777 | ISP = Tmobile = I am Nat'd = I'm susceptible to anyone in the subnet I'm in |
| 20:23.55 | wnd | and for the record, I didn't manage to convince maemo (with mostly a default system) to use hashes other than des, in passwd or shadow |
| 20:24.28 | Snafu777 | wnd - you did dev work with maemo? |
| 20:24.52 | Snafu777 | See, I can use iptables yes, but that still leaves me vuln to a brute force |
| 20:25.25 | wnd | started before 770's hardware was ready, but it wasn't called maemo back then :-) |
| 20:25.42 | Snafu777 | Cool =) |
| 20:25.58 | Snafu777 | So 2 questions for you then. |
| 20:26.13 | Snafu777 | Can we switch the hash from DES to something else? If not, how would u recommend hacking it? |
| 20:27.10 | Snafu777 | And, can we implement shadowing of passwd natively in the n900? |
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| 20:28.10 | Snafu777 | I'm pretty linux saavy, just still a beginner nonetheless though ya know? |
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| 20:30.10 | wnd | seems that n900 doesn't use (standard) pam for authentication |
| 20:30.32 | wnd | in other words, I don't really know how fremantle authenticates users |
| 20:32.53 | wnd | pam is available, though |
| 20:33.43 | Snafu777 | I've some work to do =) |
| 20:33.48 | wnd | there must be an easier way, though |
| 20:35.53 | wnd | without knowing any better, I'd probably start with that path though |
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| 20:37.47 | Snafu777 | Oh well, guess I need to learn about PAM then |
| 20:38.01 | Snafu777 | Hell, I have linux+, I guess I should make use of my cert and actually claim the title =) |
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| 21:23.44 | Snafu777 | lynx --dump checkip.dyndns.org |
| 21:23.48 | Snafu777 | bleh |
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| 22:11.05 | hxka | When I press Ctrl+Shift+P, what component of makes a screenshot? |
| 22:11.15 | hxka | s/of/of maemo/ |
| 22:11.31 | hxka | hildon-desktop? |
| 22:13.53 | hxka | Why is there link to some spam on the front page of maemo.org anyway? http://cordiahd.org/ |
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| 22:15.27 | hxka | Oh, I see. http://wiki.maemo.org/Cordia |
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| 22:47.38 | sixwheeledbeast | Well I thought it was h-d, but I could be wrong |
| 22:48.27 | sixwheeledbeast | it seems h-d uses CPU when a screenshot is taken. |
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| 23:00.27 | mlwane | Hello folks |
| 23:00.43 | mlwane | I have a quick question.. |
| 23:02.54 | mlwane | I have been trying to flash a Nokia N810, but I cannot seem to find a valid link for the flasher file for linux and the firmware for the device |
| 23:03.18 | mlwane | I would appreciate anyone's help |
| 23:06.24 | sixwheeledbeast | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1410434&postcount=13 |
| 23:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia shut down the website where those files were available |
| 23:06.50 | sixwheeledbeast | search google with the exact filename may get a hit. |
| 23:06.53 | andre__ | https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware once upon a time was the canonical page |
| 23:06.58 | andre__ | probably outdated now |
| 23:07.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, outdated in the sense of "Nokia changed stuff" |
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| 23:08.36 | andre__ | ...which makes the instructions outdated. |
| 23:09.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | andre__: then please suggest an up-to-date version |
| 23:09.35 | mlwane | Yes, but if could get the files, wouldn't I be able to carry on with the instructions? |
| 23:09.39 | andre__ | I mentioned it's outdated. That doesn't require me to suggest an updated version. |
| 23:10.13 | andre__ | mlwane, that's true |
| 23:10.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | andre__: thanks! very helpful comment indeed |
| 23:10.31 | andre__ | DocScrutinizer, yeah, no idea what your problem is either. |
| 23:10.47 | sixwheeledbeast | instructions are not outdated. they have recently been updated infact. |
| 23:10.58 | andre__ | shweet. |
| 23:11.06 | mlwane | I tried looking through the posts at TMO, but all the links I found were dead |
| 23:11.46 | sixwheeledbeast | "If http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ does not work ... use google with the file names below to find better download locations." |
| 23:12.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds pretty up-to-date |
| 23:12.08 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
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| 23:13.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, maybe it's clear now what's "my problem" |
| 23:13.59 | andre__ | Awesome. Then my answer was even perfectly correct, and it's not outdated. Happy to hear that. |
| 23:15.12 | andre__ | How can I get rid of the spam sent to techstaff@maemo.org ? |
| 23:15.21 | andre__ | Please unsubscribe me. kthxbye. |
| 23:15.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | maintainers are in techstaff alias. Step down as maintainer and you'll get removed |
| 23:16.45 | andre__ | I hereby step down. |
| 23:17.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | per mail to council please |
| 23:18.14 | andre__ | From what do I step down again? |
| 23:18.14 | andre__ | maintainer of what? |
| 23:18.34 | andre__ | hard to say if I don't know why I was added. |
| 23:18.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | bmo obviously? |
| 23:19.09 | andre__ | never been a technical maintainer of that. |
| 23:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever "technical2 means |
| 23:19.31 | andre__ | only admin. |
| 23:19.32 | andre__ | hence useless anyway. |
| 23:19.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | we don't use the term "admin" |
| 23:20.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | we got sysops and maintainers |
| 23:20.29 | andre__ | Bugzilla calls it admin. I don't care too much what Maemo folks call it. |
| 23:20.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | sysops have root access to the system they are sysop of |
| 23:20.40 | andre__ | cool. Never been, never wanted. |
| 23:20.53 | andre__ | Hence please unsubscribe me. |
| 23:21.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | step down from bugs.maemo.org "admin" and you get removed |
| 23:21.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | simple as that |
| 23:21.27 | hxka | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12725 |
| 23:21.29 | povbot_ | 04Bug 12725: Screenshot saving path is hardcoded |
| 23:21.47 | andre__ | sent |
| 23:24.46 | sixwheeledbeast | it certainly would be handy to save screenshots to uSD |
| 23:25.24 | sixwheeledbeast | or even somewhere easily accessible, not a hidden subfolder |
| 23:42.34 | arcean | actually it's: g_strdup_printf ("%s/.images/Screenshots", getenv("MYDOCSDIR")); |
| 23:44.11 | hxka | It should be g_strdup_printf ("%s/Screenshots", getenv("XDG_PICTURES_DIR")); then |
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| 23:50.20 | hxka | Looks like h-d ignores user-dirs.dirs, so this have to be fixed first |
| 23:54.34 | mlwane | Okay, after a bit of Googling I have managed to find a all the files needed to flash the Nokia N810. I am just posting the link here for future reference. <http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/> |
| 23:58.18 | hxka | I'm also remember not having user-dirs.dirs after flashing and | don't know what creates it, so there might be problems |
