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| 01:56.55 | ds_shadof | cant say since then, but Application Manager so slow. I mean realy SLOW, he spent ages to install 10kb size applications |
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| 02:10.07 | Tekk_ | ds_shadof: yeah, I've noticed that too.. |
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| 02:13.50 | ds_shadof | 15-30 minutes for "preparing" and few secs to install |
| 02:14.25 | Tekk_ | ds_shadof: it's really slow to actually be able to do anything too |
| 02:14.33 | Tekk_ | like after you hit "install" it takes ages before you even see categories |
| 02:21.53 | ds_shadof | Tekk_, good to know i'm not the only one :) |
| 02:24.09 | Tekk_ | ds_shadof: I honestly thought that it froze the first time |
| 02:24.23 | Tekk_ | before I came here and asked about it. they just told me to wait |
| 02:25.41 | chainsawbike | there have been some improvements recently - AFAIK they are working there way through cssu |
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| 04:34.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Google seels Motorola to Lenovo. BWAHAHAHA |
| 04:34.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | sells, even |
| 04:37.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ds_shadof: the time HAM needs to prepare the dependencies-tree and list of applications is proportional to the total number of packages in all enabled repos (catalogs). You are NOT supposed to have extras-devel catalog enabled usually, and extras-testing is mutually exclusive with extras-devel. |
| 04:40.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | a little story: ~6 years back my laptop been a cf-25 with only 128MB of RAM. While openoffice worked great once it started (which took ~60s), the YaST package manager took *fourteen hours* to start up, thanks to excessive swapping |
| 04:42.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | package managers need to build up enormous linked lists with all packages and their dependencies, which easily is beaming the whole system into a swap hell when the list exceeds the amount of available RAM |
| 04:44.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus: 04disable all catalogs in HAM that you don't really need right now! |
| 04:45.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's still slow with only maemo-extras enabled, but not THAT slow. Will take <5min definitely |
| 04:46.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon created a vastly optimized version of HAM with a speedup of factor 100 or sth like that. I hope this jewel will make it into CSSU soon |
| 04:46.59 | ds_shadof | GAM is frontend to apt-get? |
| 04:47.03 | ds_shadof | HAM* |
| 04:47.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, actually to apt-worker |
| 04:48.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus it does additional sorting/filtering, thus hiding some packages from user that would be dangerous to install deliberately |
| 04:48.59 | ds_shadof | but apt-get work fast. I will disable extras-devel and extras-testing and test HAM |
| 04:49.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get is evidently doing less than HAM, and what it does is done in a better optimized way |
| 04:50.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | one huge PITA is loading and rendering all the package icons, iirc |
| 04:50.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | which apt is evidently not doing |
| 04:51.52 | Tekk_ | the real check would be aptitude vs ham |
| 04:51.55 | Tekk_ | since aptitude builds the tree |
| 04:52.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | still no icons |
| 04:52.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and still no package groups like seen in HAM |
| 04:52.28 | Tekk_ | gnome-packagekit? :P |
| 04:53.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | futile effort to find matching competitors to HAM. Rather test freemangordon's speedyHAM |
| 04:53.39 | Tekk_ | ah |
| 04:53.42 | Tekk_ | I'll look into that |
| 05:04.54 | ds_shadof | hm i disabled Nokia Applications, Nokia System Software Updates, CSSU-testing, andextras-devel. HAM is fast like lighting |
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| 05:21.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol, I wonder how you were able to disable Nokia Applications, Nokia System Software Updates, |
| 05:22.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that it does natter anymore, nothing new will ever come from those channels. They managed to nuke their own signing key |
| 05:22.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | matter, even |
| 05:23.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should re-enable them nevertheless, also cssu-testing repo. disabling extras-devel is completely sufficient |
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| 05:56.28 | SAiF | :) |
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| 06:04.38 | ds_shadof | There is a checkbox to enable or disable repo, Nokia repos has it too |
| 06:13.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | checkbox should be disabled for Nokia repos afaik |
| 06:13.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind |
| 06:15.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually they are currently disable-able on my system as well |
| 06:15.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu guys messed a bit with those settings |
| 06:17.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually cssu came with a list of rather weird repos and none of them been even deletable |
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| 06:34.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, maybe I'm mistaken and those Nokia repos always been disable-able, just not deletable |
| 06:36.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it's probably even ok to disable them, unless you run into problems with cssu updates (those *might* depend on packages from nokia repos that are not yet installed) |
| 06:43.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen int-ua |
| 06:43.15 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i haven't seen 'int-ua' |
| 06:43.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen int_ua |
| 06:43.21 | infobot | int_ua <~int_ua@ip-602f.proline.net.ua> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 5h 57m 47s ago, saying: 'PLEASE HELP! My life could depend on it'. |
| 06:43.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang! |
| 06:44.08 | Tekk_ | DocScrutinizer05: oh well, too late to do anything new |
| 06:44.10 | Tekk_ | now* |
| 06:44.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 06:44.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already did what I was able to do, 7d ago |
| 06:44.43 | Tekk_ | needs to remember to say something similar if he ever goes on an extended vacation |
| 06:44.49 | Tekk_ | ah |
| 06:45.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I planned to do more now, and I'm concerned about int_ua |
| 06:45.41 | Tekk_ | oh, it was serious? |
| 06:45.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, definitely |
| 06:46.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Ukraina, Maidan |
| 06:46.05 | Tekk_ | oh |
| 06:46.11 | Tekk_ | yeah, that may not go so well :/ |
| 06:46.19 | Tekk_ | I'll keep an eye out |
| 06:48.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's kinda "official" that Janucovic and police cooperate with (or *are*) the local mafia |
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| 06:53.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's tale-telling that military already stated that they *never* will act against Ukrainian people |
| 06:54.21 | Tekk_ | that's good |
| 06:54.55 | Tekk_ | DocScrutinizer05: is it though? I'm not certain of the situation ukraine but that seems to be pretty standard with the modern revolutions |
| 06:55.47 | freemangordon | Tekk_: I wouldn't say having people dead is standard in europe |
| 06:55.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, this isn't an arabian country |
| 06:56.10 | Tekk_ | freemangordon: no, I'm saying about the military declaring that |
| 06:56.18 | Tekk_ | talking* |
| 06:56.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, in ex soviet it always been military in the end. Often Russian military |
| 06:57.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | that finally stopped any revolution |
| 06:57.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | we seen it in GDR, in Poland... |
| 06:58.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hungary? |
| 06:58.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm poor at history |
| 06:59.10 | Tekk_ | don't ask me. the american system isn't known for being great at subjects that aren't america :) |
| 06:59.15 | Tekk_ | (and not great at that either..) |
| 06:59.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | all those communism countries always military been a tool of government, not a second government of its own like in arabian countries |
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| 07:00.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, the primary government *been* the military basically |
| 07:01.18 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I guess you talk about the past |
| 07:01.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, sure |
| 07:01.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | evidently with Gorbatchow that changed |
| 07:02.22 | freemangordon | though, who knows what is the real situation in ex-USSR countries besides the people living there |
| 07:02.52 | freemangordon | not me, for sure :) |
| 07:03.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless for "european" countries it's quite remarkable when military publicly states it will not obey certain orders that may come from government |
| 07:03.26 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 07:06.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | In russia probably the military guy stating such thing would get shot 1 day later. In some arabian countries probably the government would get shot one day later |
| 07:07.38 | SAiF | ~ping |
| 07:07.38 | infobot | ~pong |
| 07:07.41 | SAiF | what does it mean that something I said here is displayed in this window and not in the logs.. |
| 07:07.47 | freemangordon | or rather - in russia it will get shot before doing so :) |
| 07:08.02 | freemangordon | *he |
| 07:08.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: it either means you started line with a space, or you did a /action |
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| 07:08.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka /me |
| 07:08.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | which also doesn't count as "saying sth" |
| 07:09.15 | SAiF | I didnt do both.. may be my xchat client is running weird |
| 07:09.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 07:09.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly |
| 07:09.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | connection issues |
| 07:10.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | your local irc client always echoes your own posts |
| 07:10.05 | SAiF | hmm.. may be.. |
| 07:14.10 | ds_shadof | gorbachew traitor, murderer of hundreds of thousands peoples . Opinion of 99.999999% people in Russia. And stop your dreaming about Russina military. You just wrong in everything |
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| 07:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh, didn't know I had anything to stop. My dreams are rarely ever about military. Maybe *you* just wrong about *me*? |
| 07:22.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | lost in translation? |
| 07:23.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just said Gorbachew evidently not been the head of military |
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| 07:26.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm pretty sure Putin wouldn't allow TV to send a report about it when he liquidates a army guy who publicly says "military won't obey Putin when he orders this or that to military" |
| 07:26.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | what of both statements been incorrect? |
| 07:31.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | it tather seems in Russia even journalists have a short lifespan when they don't follow official rules about what and how to report |
| 07:31.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather* |
| 07:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | guess who's able to get Polonium to poison dissidents and politicians that are on the list of persona non grata of Russian gvmt |
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| 19:27.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.heise.de/security/meldung/Nokia-Ja-wir-entschluesseln-HTTPS-aber-wir-spitzeln-nicht-1781327.html |
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| 19:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, the english version is obviously already cleaned out from servers |
| 19:59.54 | hxka | http://web.archive.org/web/20131206192143/http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Nokia-Yes-we-decrypt-HTTPS-but-we-don-t-spy-1782169.html |
| 20:00.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! :-) |
| 20:01.10 | t3st3r | does it anyhow applies to N900/maemo? |
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| 20:01.45 | RST38h | makes a sound, like martian clearing throat afterdrinking human blood |
| 20:06.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | t3st3r: no |
| 20:08.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw, quite old: 11.01.2013 12:10 |
| 20:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1y |
| 20:09.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | t3st3r: I can't speak for opera though |
| 20:09.45 | t3st3r | I don't care about opera :) |
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| 20:10.10 | jaska | the opera turbo mode might |
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| 20:18.28 | hxka | http://www.opera.com/privacy#turbo |
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| 20:53.14 | TTilus | why is opening the first page dog slow with (stable cssu) microbi? |
| 20:54.02 | TTilus | i mean, it takes minute or so to actually start loading stuff |
| 20:57.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | this sounds like DNS/resolver problem |
| 20:58.26 | hxka | This sounds lik AdBlock also |
| 20:58.35 | hxka | s/lik/like/ |
| 20:58.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 20:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | forgot |
| 20:59.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | or AdBlock enabled and killing your system with mega-swapping |
| 20:59.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Adblock is absolutely unbearable |
| 20:59.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~adblock |
| 20:59.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~abp |
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| 21:00.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues adblock |
| 21:01.43 | TTilus | does vanilla cssu have adblock? |
| 21:02.10 | TTilus | i havent installed it |
| 21:02.35 | hxka | No |
| 21:02.38 | joga | hmm...I think I've always used adblock but haven't noticed it does bad things, how does the mega-swapping happen? |
| 21:02.40 | TTilus | and all browsing after the fist page is just fine |
| 21:03.05 | TTilus | no other app than browser suffers this |
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| 21:03.26 | joga | or is that why I sometimes kill hildon-home because it takes a few seconds after turning display off to be able to do things |
| 21:03.35 | joga | *turning display on |
| 21:03.35 | TTilus | (this) ssh connect is always snappy |
| 21:04.38 | joga | I have noticed that sometimes if I give a url, it just seems to wait there, but if I focus the address bar again and press enter it actually goes to the url |
| 21:05.01 | TTilus | ive noticed that too |
| 21:05.03 | joga | haven't bothered to find out why |
| 21:05.06 | TTilus | but this is different |
| 21:05.45 | TTilus | it actually gets to the page if you wait for that minyte or so |
| 21:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | joga: the sqlite db is too large |
| 21:07.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | TTilus: try IP address instead of URL |
| 21:09.26 | TTilus | ah, lemme try |
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| 21:13.33 | TTilus | made no difference, the same one minute delay before starting to receive stuff, after fist page load (succesful or not) everything works fine |
| 21:16.04 | TTilus | gotta go sleep, continuing tomorrow with fresh brain |
| 21:17.14 | joga | DocScrutinizer05, re: adblock you mean? |
| 21:19.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 21:19.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys adbloc |
| 21:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#AFTER_FLASHING |
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| 21:31.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-06-10.log.html#t2012-06-10T23:41:33 |
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| 21:42.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~abp |
| 21:45.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~adb |
| 21:46.58 | hxka | Android Debug Bridge? :P |
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| 21:50.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah |
| 21:50.43 | ecc3g | apple desktop bus? ono... |
| 21:50.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | had that joke as well in irclog, based on fmg's typo |
| 21:51.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-06-10.log.html#t2012-06-10T23:20:28 |
| 21:51.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | (not the typo) |
| 21:52.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-06-10.log.html#t2012-06-10T23:58:44 is the typo |
| 21:53.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | <freemangordon>WOW, I've forgotten how fast is microb, damn, stupid ADP |
| 21:54.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~abp is ''<freemangordon>WOW, I've forgotten how fast is microb, damn, stupid ADP'', https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-06-10.log.html#t2012-06-10T23:58:44 |
| 21:54.46 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 21:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, abp is ''<freemangordon> WOW, I've forgotten how fast is microb, damn, stupid ADP'', https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-06-10.log.html#t2012-06-10T23:55:10 |
| 21:57.21 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 21:59.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | <Sc0rpius> it actually even behaves faster with all those flash ads with animations than with ADB |
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| 23:00.21 | sixwheeledbeast | spammers seem to pull up some odd pages on wmo. They make for interesting reading, like "random page" but with rollback :P http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org |
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| 23:22.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: yeah, I wonder if we should disable anonymous edits. But then, we know they just create random accounts to spem, even harder to spot in "recent changes" |
| 23:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | spam* |
| 23:36.02 | FIQ | wiki? |
| 23:36.24 | FIQ | can't you ban ip? |
| 23:40.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | already done |
| 23:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that doesn't help much |
| 23:48.14 | hxka | captcha? |
| 23:57.49 | hxka | OMG, there is one, and it ASKS TO ADD TWO NUMBERS |
| 23:58.16 | hxka | Computers are better at adding then people |
| 23:59.20 | hxka | s/then/than/ |