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| 00:33.44 | Maxdamantus | You won't be able to network /dev/camera. |
| 00:34.17 | Maxdamantus | You'd need something that knows how to use /dev/camera on the phone, and something on the other side that knows how to talk to that. |
| 00:34.30 | Maxdamantus | Linux doesn't work like Plan 9 :( |
| 00:34.56 | Maxdamantus | Silly memory-changing ioctls and stuff. |
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| 00:44.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah yes |
| 00:44.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | right |
| 00:44.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it's gstreamer then |
| 00:46.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | or writing to a "streamable" file on Neo900, and make that file a pipe if you want |
| 00:46.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/file/file format/ |
| 00:47.50 | Maxdamantus | Someone needs to write a Plan 9/Inferno mobile OS. |
| 00:47.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders if the default mp4 format can get "streamed", i.e. playback start before end of file written and file closed |
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| 00:48.10 | Maxdamantus | I saw a project that got some basic stuff done for it in Inferno. |
| 00:48.34 | Maxdamantus | so they had files you used to make calls and send/recieve SMSes, on some Android phone. |
| 00:48.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | inferno sounds concerningly similar to fiasco ;-P |
| 00:48.40 | Maxdamantus | and a simple UI for them. |
| 00:49.12 | Maxdamantus | Fiasco the thing I've noticed mentioned a few times in trying to figure out Maemo? |
| 00:49.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems those devels really like that stuff they do, eh? ;-P |
| 00:49.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | the firmware images are caled "fiasco image2 |
| 00:49.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/2/"/ |
| 00:49.56 | Maxdamantus | Right, that's where I saw it. |
| 00:50.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 00:50.08 | infobot | [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:50.09 | Maxdamantus | so .. what does "fiasco image" mean? |
| 00:50.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess they had an idea of tongue in cheek naming it like "flask" and same time "desaster" |
| 00:51.11 | Maxdamantus | well, what does the "fiasco" bit refer to? |
| 00:51.21 | Maxdamantus | why would it not be suitable to call it a "maemo image" or something? |
| 00:51.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me |
| 00:51.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask Nokia ;-) |
| 00:52.17 | Maxdamantus | Wiki mentions there's an L4 microkernel family called "Fiasco" .. probably unrelated. |
| 00:52.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Openmoko called their uBoot moko-dirty, Nokia called theirs NOLO which is about the same in Finnish language I heard |
| 00:53.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | moko is something in your nose, in Spanish - that for sure been not intended though |
| 00:53.22 | Maxdamantus | Mm .. apparently "nolo" is awkward/embarrassed. |
| 00:54.06 | Maxdamantus | ymmärrän vähän suomea. |
| 00:54.21 | Maxdamantus | ymmärrä* |
| 00:54.34 | wnd | ymmärtää |
| 00:54.46 | Maxdamantus | helvetti |
| 00:55.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders hwy he can't help giggling each time he's seeing such words with lots of ää and ou |
| 00:55.01 | wnd | close enough |
| 00:55.23 | wnd | "kääkättää" |
| 00:55.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | works each time :-D |
| 00:56.12 | Maxdamantus | höyryjyrrä |
| 00:56.16 | Maxdamantus | wonders if he spelt that right. |
| 00:56.22 | Maxdamantus | Funny word. |
| 00:56.23 | wnd | jyrä |
| 00:56.30 | wnd | again, close enough :-) |
| 00:56.40 | Maxdamantus | Kiitos. |
| 00:59.09 | wnd | Nobody would give me a decent answer when I asked why the image bundle was called "fiasco". I think they didn't know as all they said was "well, at this point it /is/ a disaster, right". |
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| 00:59.54 | Maxdamantus | Heh. |
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| 01:01.21 | Maxdamantus | Hmm .. maybe I'll see if I can port those guys' Inferno/Android project to N900 and make a better shell for it. |
| 01:01.27 | Maxdamantus | some time. |
| 01:05.45 | wnd | thinking about bygone times, it's a shame I didn't make a backup copy for n810's fte tool |
| 01:08.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | fte? |
| 01:09.31 | wnd | field test (environment?), a simple tool to monitor power usage of certain components such as gps and display, dump lots of status data etc. |
| 01:10.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, cool stuff. We could use such thing |
| 01:10.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | for now best we got is |
| 01:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k |
| 01:10.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and ~zztop |
| 01:11.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-detail |
| 01:11.03 | infobot | it has been said that bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 01:11.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~zztop |
| 01:11.16 | wnd | talking of which, doesn't the n900 cssu(-thumb)'s power menu widget use bq27k? |
| 01:11.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~zzztop |
| 01:11.19 | infobot | hmm... zzztop is - the better and even FOSS powertop - http://wiki.maemo.org/Zzztop |
| 01:12.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | power menu widget? |
| 01:12.26 | wnd | power menu power widget |
| 01:13.18 | wnd | if you don't know what I'm talking it's probably because I don't know what I'm talking about |
| 01:13.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, some system status area applets use the bq27200.ko kernel driver resp the sysnodes it provides. Alas this breaks bme |
| 01:14.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali's bme-replacement uses bq27200 too, but it's no problem since it's integrated with bme replacement obviously |
| 01:15.05 | wnd | I haven't really been an active user of n900 from hacker's point of view... I used to use advanced power foo, which annoyingly made the power widget in power menu clickable and I decided to get rid of it, even if the stock widget wouldn't show charge percentage. |
| 01:15.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | other battery applets may use sysnodes of direct I2C interface to bq27200 hardware, just like bq27k-detail2 |
| 01:15.36 | wnd | Some time after that I switch to CSSU-thumb, and not too long ago the power widget changed. Now I'm not completely sure which one I have. ;-) |
| 01:16.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, can't help ;-) |
| 01:16.43 | wnd | My original point was that the widget I now have, reports completely bogus "full charge" level. Right now it says the battery is at 1015 mAh, and full charge is at 167 mAh. |
| 01:17.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol, blame pali |
| 01:17.22 | wnd | obviously it doesn't bother me /that/ much, because it's been like this for maybe a month and I still haven't even looked into it |
| 01:17.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you start to bother, you might want to calibrate your bq27200 chip |
| 01:18.09 | wnd | I suppose. the last time I did that was two years ago. |
| 01:18.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a convenient script for that on my server |
| 01:18.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | nect to bq27k-detail2 |
| 01:18.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | next* |
| 01:19.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, no soooo next: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh |
| 01:19.26 | wnd | I think it used to take me roughly 80 minutes to drain the battery |
| 01:19.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | the script does that overnight while you're sleeping |
| 01:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly when you switch the screen backlight to "always on" |
| 01:21.03 | wnd | umm, do I want to run the script when I rely on n900 to wake me up? |
| 01:21.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, not really |
| 01:21.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather wait til next saturday ;-) |
| 01:21.33 | wnd | I mean, when I was doing this manually I had maybe five seconds to connect the charger once power chip was done |
| 01:21.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | though the script *should* restart charger and not even reboot the device |
| 01:22.18 | wnd | that's what the script looked like, but based on my previous experience... |
| 01:22.30 | wnd | well, I can wait |
| 01:22.35 | wnd | thanks for the script |
| 01:22.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, when you cut through battery in 80min, your headroom after calibration is pretty short |
| 01:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | with the script you can go for a better and saner maybe 5h to discharge |
| 01:23.55 | wnd | sounds good |
| 01:24.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | this should extend the time from calib to shutdown to several minutes |
| 01:24.30 | wnd | I must admit that draining the battery that quickly left kind of wrong |
| 01:24.43 | wnd | felt, even |
| 01:24.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 01:25.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and calibration isn't really accurate either |
| 01:25.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | battery capacity depends on load |
| 01:25.33 | wnd | at least I left the keyboard slider open to help dissipate the heat |
| 01:25.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | high load reduces effective capacity |
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| 01:26.18 | wnd | maybe I'll give the script a go at work |
| 01:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | like, on double power consumption your battery doesn't last 1/2 but maybe only 0.4 times as long |
| 01:26.43 | wnd | but before that I'll have to catch some sleep. need to be at work in ~six hours. |
| 01:26.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8, sleep well |
| 01:27.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | any feedback re script welcome |
| 01:27.45 | wnd | oh, right, "fastcharger" here refers to high-amp wall charger? |
| 01:28.13 | wnd | mine says 1.2 amps |
| 01:28.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | suffices |
| 01:29.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | just nake sure to cd to the dir where bq27200.sh lives before you start the calib cript - it uses relative pathnames to bq27200.sh |
| 01:30.08 | wnd | I think I'll manage with bourne shell scripts :-) |
| 01:31.09 | wnd | in fact, I'm slighly surprised to see no bashisms in there |
| 01:31.51 | wnd | lots of unnecessary semicolons, though |
| 01:32.25 | wnd | anyway, thanks :-) |
| 01:33.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I love ; ;-) |
| 01:33.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually they are remants from me testing that as a oneliner in N900 xterm |
| 01:34.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | when it worked I added a echo ' to left side and a '>calibrate.sh to right |
| 01:35.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then inserted a bit of formatting but obviously didn't remove the surplus ; |
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| 01:39.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I should beautify that script a bit, eventually |
| 01:39.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and printing a message about screen going dark and how to switch it on again, just before screen blanks, is a bit ... :o) |
| 01:41.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, i wrote it for kerio |
| 01:41.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | just to demonstarte I know better way to calibrate bq27k chip than estel's method |
| 01:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
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| 01:53.43 | Maxdamantus | DISPLAY=:2; (for ((x = 0; x < 500; x++)); do (urxvt +rv -bg "#$(for ((x = 0; x < 3; x++)); do echo -n $((echo 'obase = 16'; echo $((RANDOM % 256))) | bc | sed 's/^.$/0&/'); done)" &); done) |
| 01:53.47 | Maxdamantus | This is fun. |
| 02:03.32 | r00t|home | Maxdamantus: fuck you |
| 02:04.56 | Tekk_ | cool |
| 02:05.12 | Tekk_ | if that does what I think it does.. |
| 02:05.36 | Maxdamantus | :2 is meant to be a display running Hildon. |
| 02:05.44 | r00t|home | remove the & and replace that with -e sleep .5 |
| 02:06.07 | r00t|home | it's a forkbomb otherwise |
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| 02:06.20 | Tekk_ | r00t|home: nah, pretty good idea of what goes on. Fork bomb-ish that keeps spawning urxvt with a random bg color riht? |
| 02:06.23 | Tekk_ | right* |
| 02:06.28 | r00t|home | well, it doesn't grow exponentially, but opening 500 terminal emulators isn't a nice idea really |
| 02:06.28 | Maxdamantus | Well, it's not a replicating forkbomb. |
| 02:06.41 | Tekk_ | yeah, that's why I said -ish, since it does end |
| 02:06.50 | Tekk_ | that's still a pain to close out though :P |
| 02:07.05 | Maxdamantus | killall urxvt |
| 02:07.10 | Maxdamantus | assuming you don't have any others running. |
| 02:07.30 | r00t|home | rxvt is my main terminal... |
| 02:07.39 | r00t|home | i did pkill -f \\+rv tho' |
| 02:07.46 | Maxdamantus | runs everything in tmux, so can just restart the terminal emulator and reattach. |
| 02:07.49 | r00t|home | (from ssh) |
| 02:08.42 | Tekk_ | r00t|home: you have some serious security issues if you're just running shell code that people paste in irc :P |
| 02:08.56 | r00t|home | i' tired :P |
| 02:09.22 | r00t|home | i did look over it, and i saw that it doesn't loop infinitely... but i missed the & at the end because you hid it next to the ) |
| 02:09.29 | Tekk_ | ah |
| 02:09.44 | r00t|home | s/you/he/ |
| 02:10.23 | r00t|home | and i didn't expect people to post forkbombs on #maemo really... especially dedicated maemo forkbombs... |
| 02:14.28 | r00t|home | xterm -fg black -bg \#$(printf %x%x%x $((RANDOM%0xff)) $((RANDOM%0xff)) $((RANDOM%0xff))) |
| 02:15.04 | r00t|home | printf is a shell builtin, unlike bc, and loop unrolled... and why open FIVEHUNDRED of them??? |
| 02:16.01 | Maxdamantus | but that can give you colours like #aaaa |
| 02:16.21 | r00t|home | %02x |
| 02:16.46 | Maxdamantus | can alternatively write it again more efficiently with bc/sed. |
| 02:17.10 | r00t|home | what would be better would be automatically picking a matching high-contrast foreground color |
| 02:17.18 | Maxdamantus | meh, cbf |
| 02:22.52 | r00t|home | also, for such stuff, i usually run Xnest :1 -noreset ... while sleep .1 ;do DISPLAY=:1 xsetroot -solid $(printf \#%02x%02x%02x\\n $((RANDOM%0xff)) $((RANDOM%0xff)) $((RANDOM%0xff))); done |
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| 02:25.25 | Maxdamantus | for ((z = 0; z < 10; z++)); do echo 'obase = 16'; for ((x = y = 0; x < 3; x++)); do y=$((y*256 + RANDOM%256)); done; echo $y; done | bc | sed 's/^.$/0&/; s/^..$/0&/; |
| 02:25.28 | Maxdamantus | s/^...$/0&/; s/^....$/0&/; s/^.....$/0&/;' | while read w; do (xterm -fg black -bg "#$w" &); done |
| 02:25.33 | Maxdamantus | meh, got cut off. |
| 02:25.45 | Maxdamantus | one bc process, one sed process, no inbuilt printf. |
| 02:26.08 | Maxdamantus | cut in half* |
| 02:26.46 | r00t|home | still silly to use bc and sed when printf will do |
| 02:27.15 | r00t|home | still don't get why you'd open so many |
| 02:27.33 | Maxdamantus | I imagine some people might be inclined to claim that spawning hundreds of terminals with random background colours is already silly. |
| 02:28.05 | Maxdamantus | Just to see how much laggier Hildon was with that many windows. |
| 02:28.07 | r00t|home | the effect might look good... maybe more so if you add a little lsd |
| 02:28.23 | Maxdamantus | but it's just running on a computer, not an N900. |
| 02:28.57 | r00t|home | well, i guess launching 500 terminal emulators will lag pretty much any system, if opened in a loop like that |
| 02:29.10 | Tekk_ | I should try it on my desktop, that'll be a fun test |
| 02:29.12 | Maxdamantus | Hm. Didn't lag my system. |
| 02:29.17 | Tekk_ | 8 core 4 ghz, 16 gigs ram :P |
| 02:29.33 | r00t|home | Tekk_: and no mozilla products running, eh? :P |
| 02:29.33 | Maxdamantus | 4 core 3.6 GHz, 32 gigs ram |
| 02:29.41 | Tekk_ | r00t|home: not unless I need to |
| 02:29.52 | r00t|home | <-- 2-core 4gig ram |
| 02:29.58 | r00t|home | <-- goes sit in a corner and cry |
| 02:30.09 | Tekk_ | r00t|home: my laptop is 2 core and 2 gig |
| 02:30.21 | Maxdamantus | my Mozilla-based browser is currently using 8.7% of RAM with 179 tabs. |
| 02:30.23 | r00t|home | mine too... well, one of mine |
| 02:30.23 | Tekk_ | I just happened to upgrade my desktop this winter :) |
| 02:30.49 | Maxdamantus | Yeah, two weeks ago I was using a 4-core with 3 GiB of RAM. |
| 02:31.09 | Maxdamantus | I had another 1 GiB stick, but the slot on the motherboard is broken. |
| 02:31.15 | r00t|home | ram's so cheap nowadays... |
| 02:31.20 | Maxdamantus | I know. |
| 02:31.21 | r00t|home | maybe i should upgrade sometime |
| 02:31.25 | Maxdamantus | That's why I bought 32 GiB of it. |
| 02:31.31 | r00t|home | but what for... just so mozilla can eat all the ram... |
| 02:31.52 | Maxdamantus | more RAM seems more important to me than a faster X |
| 02:32.05 | Maxdamantus | a faster X just means some things get done slightly quicker |
| 02:32.19 | Maxdamantus | more RAM means more things can be potentially done (without taking excessive amounts of time) |
| 02:32.31 | r00t|home | you mean X window system or X as in random system component? |
| 02:32.43 | Maxdamantus | X as in a random system component |
| 02:32.50 | r00t|home | sure |
| 02:33.18 | r00t|home | actually the last system i bought was an atom with 4gig ram |
| 02:34.14 | r00t|home | http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html |
| 02:34.55 | r00t|home | great system for most general purposes |
| 02:36.07 | Maxdamantus | I saw a nice second-hand motherboard the other day that I could use with my previous computer. |
| 02:36.22 | Maxdamantus | wonder if I should buy it. |
| 02:36.40 | Maxdamantus | Might replace my current Pentium 3 router. |
| 02:36.53 | r00t|home | my router is a 586... |
| 02:38.12 | r00t|home | (other advantage of that intel board is, it runs off a single DC power source, notebook supply instead of bulky atx supply) |
| 02:38.45 | Maxdamantus | Hmm .. though I was planning on doing something with the parallel port at some point. |
| 02:39.11 | Maxdamantus | none of my other computers have parallel ports/headers |
| 02:39.14 | r00t|home | waht? and even if so, there a re pcie parallel port cards |
| 02:39.23 | r00t|home | *what |
| 02:39.57 | Maxdamantus | seeing if I can use the analogue sticks on this PS2 controller. |
| 02:40.54 | Maxdamantus | when it's plugged into a PSX→USB adapter, the analogue just turns off straight away. |
| 02:41.00 | Maxdamantus | and the controller doesn't work at all in an actual PS2. |
| 02:41.50 | Maxdamantus | maybe I'll just buy a PS3 controller (don't intend on getting a PS3) |
| 02:41.52 | r00t|home | so just to try it the parport joypad driver |
| 02:42.03 | r00t|home | *with the |
| 02:42.11 | Maxdamantus | I'd like to play Ape Escape again (probably in a PSX emulator) |
| 02:42.35 | Maxdamantus | Possibly. |
| 02:42.51 | Maxdamantus | There's another utility as well, that works in userspace. |
| 02:43.05 | Maxdamantus | and can also communicate with PSX cards |
| 02:44.23 | r00t|home | the usual way to go nowadays is microcontrollers with usb hookup... granted, more complex than just wiring to a parport |
| 02:45.13 | Maxdamantus | Indeed :\ |
| 02:46.15 | Maxdamantus | though motherboards still do have serial headers .. not sure why you can't theoretically use UART. |
| 02:46.36 | Maxdamantus | The Linux IR thing works over UART. |
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| 02:47.06 | r00t|home | but serial interfaces are easier to replace with usb, not timing critical, unlike the partport abuse |
| 02:47.08 | Maxdamantus | (that sends signals at something like 44 kHz) |
| 02:47.51 | Maxdamantus | (using the DTR pin) |
| 02:49.32 | Tekk_ | ape escape was psx? |
| 02:49.36 | Maxdamantus | Yes. |
| 02:49.37 | Tekk_ | I always thought it was dc |
| 02:50.25 | Maxdamantus | I think they might've released something for that. |
| 02:50.39 | Maxdamantus | but the first game (which I have the disc for somewhere) was PS1. |
| 02:51.13 | Maxdamantus | has only played the first one. |
| 02:51.50 | Maxdamantus | Hm. Maybe they didn't make one for DC. |
| 02:52.04 | r00t|home | should port all that parport using stuff to something like http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?LH_BIN=1&_nkw=CY7C68013A&_sop=15&_rdc=1 |
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| 03:01.38 | Maxdamantus | Do/cat people run new kernels on the N900? |
| 03:01.43 | Maxdamantus | s/cat/can/ |
| 03:02.20 | FIQ | there has been experimentation with it |
| 03:02.27 | FIQ | but not in any stable form atm |
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| 03:08.20 | Maxdamantus | test |
| 03:08.23 | Maxdamantus | s/./&/ |
| 03:08.32 | Maxdamantus | Meh. |
| 03:09.11 | Maxdamantus | oh, that wouldn't do anything. |
| 03:09.21 | Tekk_ | try it now though :P |
| 03:09.48 | Maxdamantus | s/./&&/ |
| 03:09.57 | Maxdamantus | O_o |
| 03:10.13 | Maxdamantus | so it doesn't actually use any regex. |
| 03:13.18 | FIQ | no it doesn't |
| 03:13.37 | FIQ | s/no it doesn't/see\?/ |
| 03:16.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you all have serious problems with chanops when you post forkbombs and similar stuff in IRC |
| 03:17.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, according to eternal laws... |
| 03:17.23 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 03:17.30 | *** kick/#maemo [Maxdamantus!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer05 (User terminated!) |
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| 03:18.18 | Maxdamantus | Sorry .. but in my defence .. I wouldn't consider that a forkbomb. |
| 03:18.31 | Maxdamantus | just as compiling a kernel is not invoking a forkbomb. |
| 03:18.35 | FIQ | did I miss something? |
| 03:18.51 | FIQ | if this is the case, sorry |
| 03:19.01 | Tekk_ | hm |
| 03:19.10 | Tekk_ | Maxdamantus: the weirdest thing about that is that maemo uses display 2, really |
| 03:19.18 | Tekk_ | was it some arbitrary choice or are 0 and 1 taken for something? |
| 03:19.31 | Tekk_ | (obviously backdoor sessions to allow european spy agencies to spy) |
| 03:19.46 | Maxdamantus | the maemo in scratchbox seems to use display :2. |
| 03:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, or #rm -rf root is not a fork. Rule: do not paste stuff that could do harm to any other user that c6P it to their terminal. Particularly not when you sugest they should do that |
| 03:20.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | C&P |
| 03:22.37 | FIQ | nvm, read scrollback now |
| 03:23.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I consider that a minor case, thus I wasn't kick-happy |
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| 03:23.58 | FIQ | copy/paste Doc's script |
| 03:24.19 | Tekk_ | oh DocScrutinizer05, are there any plans as far as an fm transmitter in the neo900? |
| 03:24.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | that script isn't supposed to do "harm" |
| 03:24.25 | FIQ | (ok not really) |
| 03:24.32 | Tekk_ | my transmitter just died a week or two ago |
| 03:24.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Tekk_: sure |
| 03:24.38 | Tekk_ | cool |
| 03:25.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems the TiWi5 has FMTX, though not officially supported by the manufacturer |
| 03:25.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | we'll check if it works nevertheless, so we don't need another FMTX solution |
| 03:34.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((display=:2)) might relate to shaking hands video, or pin/lockcode dialog which is started before hildon |
| 03:34.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even that silly progress jumping-dots |
| 03:35.44 | Maxdamantus | So Hildon doesn't usually run on :2 on the N900 itself? |
| 03:36.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | though: |
| 03:36.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# echo $DISPLAY |
| 03:36.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | :0.0 |
| 03:36.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, ok, you're talking about console number |
| 03:36.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | right? |
| 03:36.55 | Maxdamantus | No. |
| 03:37.02 | Maxdamantus | it's just Xorg/X11. |
| 03:37.47 | Maxdamantus | maemo-scratchbox tries to connect to :2 by default. |
| 03:38.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, prolly since :0 is already used by the host |
| 03:38.26 | Maxdamantus | but :1 isn't. |
| 03:38.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends |
| 03:38.37 | Maxdamantus | It's something someone set. |
| 03:38.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you run scratchbox in a dedicated session, then probably :1 is also occupied |
| 03:38.59 | Maxdamantus | it doesn't check what displays are running, and you're meant to run the display yourself. |
| 03:39.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno |
| 03:40.14 | Maxdamantus | I mounted my /tmp/.X11-unix into the scratchbox chroot after logging into it. |
| 03:41.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not going to install that mess a 3rd time on my PC. Will use VM instead |
| 03:42.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | my current PC is beefy enough for VM |
| 03:42.06 | Maxdamantus | it shouldn't really be any more messy using a chroot. |
| 03:42.24 | Maxdamantus | (for the entire debian system) |
| 03:42.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | no debian system here |
| 03:42.51 | Maxdamantus | you can install debootstrap on a bunch of distributions (not limited to Debian) |
| 03:43.04 | Maxdamantus | then just run something like: debootstrap <repo> <directory> |
| 03:43.15 | kwtm | Is there a way to disable a certain notification signal such as "SMS has arrived"? I don't want to make the volume zero, or to make a very brief sound file; I want there to be no sound file at all. |
| 03:43.22 | Maxdamantus | and then you can `chroot <directory> /bin/bash` and do whatever. |
| 03:43.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, starting a VM is so much simpler |
| 03:43.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and not cluttering my mounts |
| 03:43.55 | kwtm | I have gotten dbus-scripts to espeak the name of the sender of an SMS that I got, but the notification sound interrupts the espeak sound and it gets cut off. |
| 03:44.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm: sleep 5 ? |
| 03:44.37 | Maxdamantus | for a VM you need to install it onto a (probably virtual) disk, configure it to boot, connect to the network, etc |
| 03:45.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I simply start the SDK-VM |
| 03:45.29 | Maxdamantus | eh, I guess you could do that. |
| 03:45.42 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: I guess sleep 5 would do, although it's not a very elegant solution. Oh, well, I guess it will have to do. |
| 03:46.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | either that or you silence the notification sound |
| 03:46.27 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: That's what I'm asking: can I get rid of it? If I just set the notification sound to 0, it still cuts off the espeak sound. |
| 03:46.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 03:46.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 03:47.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | replace soundfile with a 0-byte file |
| 03:47.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | or /dev/null ;-P |
| 03:47.50 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: Hmm... a non-existent sound file or an invalid sound file ... I wonder whether that would work? |
| 03:48.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 03:48.17 | kwtm | Remind me also to check why mplayer can play sounds even when the profile is set to silent ... I guess somehow it bypasses the usual control. |
| 03:48.20 | Maxdamantus | they should both just be invalid sound files. |
| 03:48.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | but a 0-file is better |
| 03:48.57 | kwtm | Okay. |
| 03:48.57 | Maxdamantus | /dev/null is essentially a 0-byte file. |
| 03:49.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | (though you prolly can't get /dev/null for soundfile) |
| 03:49.07 | Maxdamantus | though if you look closely, it's also a character device. |
| 03:49.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | >silence.wav |
| 03:49.39 | kwtm | Drat, gotta go. Will be back later -- please continue to discuss aloud for my benefit. :) Especially the Neo900 ... I need plans for after both my N900's fail. |
| 03:50.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | is afk too |
| 03:50.12 | kwtm | Ok, you mean like touch /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds/nothingness.mp3 or something |
| 03:50.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 03:50.25 | Maxdamantus | doesn't have an N900 yet, so doesn't have much to contribute. |
| 03:50.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | touch == > |
| 03:50.29 | kwtm | ok. Off to dinner. |
| 03:50.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 03:51.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least for the basic parameter-less `touch` a simple `>` does it |
| 03:52.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | as long as you don't want to touch an existing file |
| 03:52.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want to, you'd better off with >> |
| 03:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 03:53.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | so |
| 03:53.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | touch == >> |
| 03:53.51 | Maxdamantus | cat = < |
| 03:53.54 | Maxdamantus | in some contexts |
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| 03:54.18 | Maxdamantus | wonders why it doesn't work in all. |
| 03:54.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | because it's meant for stdin |
| 03:54.58 | Maxdamantus | < doesn't do anything with stdin |
| 03:55.12 | Maxdamantus | I mean at the beginning of a command, like you used > |
| 03:55.21 | Maxdamantus | echo $(<foo) |
| 03:55.25 | Maxdamantus | echo $(cat foo) |
| 03:57.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | * |
| 03:57.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo * |
| 03:58.46 | Maxdamantus | echo doesn't read the file contents of files. |
| 03:58.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | a plain * is quite "interesting" |
| 03:59.18 | Maxdamantus | Scare quotes mandatory. |
| 03:59.35 | Maxdamantus | wonders if any bash contributers understand bash. |
| 03:59.39 | Maxdamantus | contributors* |
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| 04:02.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
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| 10:38.20 | Aggese | DocScrutinizer have you seen this one http://ask.slashdot.org/story/14/01/26/1950237/ask-slashdot-life-after-n900 ? |
| 10:44.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes. thanks |
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| 14:32.03 | wnd | power menu power widget still reports 62/167 mAh, though :-) |
| 14:35.50 | wnd | restarting hildon-home would have probably done the same thing, but after reboot it now reports max 1247 mAh. I wonder where from it's getting this. |
| 14:44.24 | wnd | status-area-applet-battery (1.0-8) comes from pali / repository.maemo.org, and it shows data very similar to power menu widget. Power menu widget says 59 % (747 mAh / 1247 mAh), while bq says [CR]SOC 21 %, NAC/CACD/CACT 247 mAh, max 1153 mAh. |
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