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| 06:03.23 | solofight | hello people - i have asked this already but this time with more clarity... Is it possible to make my n900 as a access/swipe card to open doors ? |
| 06:03.41 | solofight | i would like to replace my access card to office with n900 |
| 06:19.46 | ecc3g | usually.. no. making another device as an access device is the equivalent of duplicating a key, and that's exactly what they don't want people doing... that being said if you understand the access system enough, anything's possible... |
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| 07:55.59 | t3st3r | btw, lats time I've attempted Thumb version of CSSU, it borked Fcam drivers. Is it fixed now? |
| 07:56.33 | freemangordon | no, and I guess it is a WONTFIX |
| 07:56.50 | t3st3r | hmm? why? |
| 07:57.06 | t3st3r | this warrants I would stay miles away from that thumb stuff then :\ |
| 07:57.08 | freemangordon | because the problem is woth fcam kernel module |
| 07:57.14 | freemangordon | *with |
| 07:57.44 | t3st3r | what's wrong with this module? oO |
| 07:57.49 | freemangordon | t3st3r: in extras-devel there is such module which is compatible with both KP and cssu-thumb |
| 07:58.18 | t3st3r | what is KP? Power Kernel? |
| 07:58.20 | freemangordon | t3st3r: it refuses to load (or similar) on not-omap1 kernel |
| 07:58.21 | freemangordon | yes |
| 07:58.38 | t3st3r | [11:58:27] <freemangordon> t3st3r: it refuses to load (or similar) on not-omap1 kernel <- so it does some checks? |
| 07:58.49 | freemangordon | NFC what it does |
| 07:58.54 | freemangordon | but I doubt |
| 07:59.02 | freemangordon | it checks for the kernel version |
| 07:59.46 | freemangordon | t3st3r: wht you can try - install KP52, install fcam drivers from extras-devel |
| 07:59.56 | freemangordon | at that point your camera should be fine |
| 08:00.11 | freemangordon | if it is fine, install cssu-thumb |
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| 08:07.14 | t3st3r | What - NFC? |
| 08:07.42 | t3st3r | [11:59:53] <freemangordon> t3st3r: wht you can try - install KP52, install fcam drivers from extras-devel <- hmm, is it compatible with thumb? |
| 08:10.38 | FIQ | nfc=no * clue |
| 08:11.17 | sixwheeledbeast | solofight: not easily and not natively either, but it is possible to make an object (N900) into a access card. |
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| 08:22.18 | solofight | sixwheeledbeast: make n900 into a access card ? thats exactly what i want to do |
| 08:22.24 | solofight | sixwheeledbeast: ideas please |
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| 08:28.36 | solofight | ecc3g: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question662.htm correct place ? |
| 08:28.42 | solofight | to understand it better ? |
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| 12:55.26 | Satorin | Hello everyone, would anyone mind helping me out? I just received my (secondhand) N900 in the mail. The battery seems fully empty, and when I supply power (over wall plug) it first charges autonomously for a minute or two (non-flashing orange LED), then boots up (bright Nokia screen, flashing orange LED), stays on the Nokia screen for a few seconds (about 10; screen darkens afterwards), and after about half a minute crashes (no LED at all) - only to |
| 12:55.26 | Satorin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.31 | Satorin | I assume this is the dreaded bootloop? |
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| 12:55.50 | Satorin | I found this: http://web.fournier.nl/2012/07/nokia-n900-charging-depleted-battery.html -- is it worth trying? |
| 12:56.47 | Satorin | Or is there a way I can just prevent the device from leaving autonomous-mode charging? I wanted to reflash it anyways, but it needs a charged battery for me to do so. |
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| 13:01.34 | ShadowJK | i don't know of a way to prvent it from leaving autonomous |
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| 13:07.49 | Satorin | I probably need an external charger or another phone then. |
| 13:08.05 | Satorin | It's tempting to try the trick I linked to, but I don't want to risk bricking my 'new' phone. |
| 13:08.29 | ShadowJK | If it's boot looping it's already what people call "bricked" |
| 13:09.09 | Satorin | You can still reflash a bootlooping device, right? |
| 13:10.35 | Satorin | Can I charge the device while in 'reflashing mode' (having pressed U and all that)? |
| 13:10.40 | ShadowJK | no |
| 13:10.56 | ShadowJK | or, "probably not" |
| 13:12.18 | Satorin | I'm not even 100% sure it's actually "bootlooping", some users on the Maemo-forums suggest it's an issue with power drain spiking on boot and the phone switching back to autonomous mode. |
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| 13:14.52 | Satorin | I guess I'll try the rescue image in this case, will report back. |
| 13:15.41 | ShadowJK | I get a new battery every year or so, they wear out kinda fast |
| 13:18.34 | Satorin | Guess it might be a worn-out battery that's to blame. |
| 13:24.13 | Satorin | Back in a bit, rebooting my PC to allow loading unsigned drivers. |
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| 13:35.32 | SAiF | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.32 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!. |
| 13:35.49 | SAiF | Satorin, ^^ I guess |
| 13:51.54 | Satorin | Thank you SAiF! I'll try that first. |
| 13:54.16 | Satorin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.16 | infobot | bootloop is, like, when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. |
| 13:54.52 | Satorin | Okay, will first wait 30 minutes to try flatbatrecover, if that fails I'll go the rescueos route! |
| 13:56.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Satorin: the "trick" is pretty sane, it's a proven rescueOS based battery charging it seems, after cursory look. No way you could do additional damage by that |
| 13:57.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | flatbatrecover won't help |
| 13:57.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | watching the device bootlooping for 30 min doesn't help either |
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| 14:13.42 | Satorin | Seems you're right, trying rescueos flash now. |
| 14:18.51 | FIQ | the thing Satorin describes also happened for me under any kind of KP |
| 14:18.55 | Satorin | Okay, I connected to the PC as per instructions, but it's not flashing (reports as "(Storage mode)", and yes, I am keeping 'u' pressed on connect). Strange thing is: The orange LED /does/ flash now, indicating a charging state. |
| 14:18.55 | FIQ | just saying |
| 14:19.14 | Satorin | I only got it in the mail today, no clue what's on it |
| 14:19.29 | FIQ | i.e. if charging when device was off, it would proceed to boot, show nokia logo, minor delay, then crash and reboot, ad infinitum |
| 14:19.37 | FIQ | allthough you should probably reflash regardless |
| 14:19.43 | FIQ | so that it's clean |
| 14:20.14 | FIQ | not saying the device is running KP |
| 14:20.32 | FIQ | but rebootloop during charging doesn't necessarily mean dead device is what I'm saying |
| 14:21.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | when amber led flashing: KEEP it! |
| 14:21.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | let it charge |
| 14:21.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't change anything! |
| 14:22.01 | Satorin | I will! |
| 14:22.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | until battery full, and then an hour on top |
| 14:22.15 | Satorin | It charges from USB now, or so it seems... Wall-plug gave issues. |
| 14:22.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | only then go do a full reflash |
| 14:22.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | is that the original nokia wallcharger plug? |
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| 14:23.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | (not that I haven't seen issues with Nokia charger too) |
| 14:23.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | but a 3rd party wallcharger may be incompatible by design |
| 14:23.45 | Satorin | No, it has equal power specs though. |
| 14:23.54 | Satorin | Well, I'm happy with the blinking LED now. ^^' |
| 14:23.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | that doesn't say much |
| 14:24.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3rd party chargers often miss the mandatory D+/- line short |
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| 14:24.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | resulting in charging failing |
| 14:25.08 | Satorin | That sounds like it might be the issue... |
| 14:25.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 14:25.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | problem solved |
| 14:25.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 14:25.55 | Satorin | It boots over usb, too. |
| 14:28.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, blinking amber basically means it *has* booted |
| 14:29.29 | Satorin | I'm actually in the OS now! Time to let it charge before doing a reflash. Thanks! |
| 14:29.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a mode called "ACT_DEAD" that pretends the device is off and only charging, but in fact the linux is fully booted up and just on a different ->runlevel |
| 14:30.10 | Satorin | Ah! I see how that works now... |
| 14:30.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 14:31.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, and welcome to the club! :-) |
| 14:31.17 | Satorin | Oh wow, the seller sure didn't reflash it... I'm getting emails. |
| 14:31.25 | Satorin | Thanks a lot! |
| 14:31.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL!!!! |
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| 14:32.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should "switch off" again, I.E. enter act_dead, it is charging waay faster since no WLAN, display and other stuff eats power the battery needs for charging |
| 14:33.23 | Satorin | I will, thanks for the suggestion. ^^ |
| 14:33.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | worst case the system can eat more power than the USB can provide, effectively DIScharging the battery |
| 14:34.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes the system tells you about that problem with a yellow notifier saying "insufficient power" OWTTE |
| 14:34.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes not |
| 14:35.30 | Satorin | Mhm, well, I've turned it off now. |
| 14:35.52 | Satorin | 14 unread mails, the old owner seems to be a sysadmin. Darn, it really deserves a reflash. |
| 14:35.59 | Satorin | I'll wait 'till the LED turns green. |
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| 14:38.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware of |
| 14:38.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | +flashing |
| 14:38.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 14:38.13 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 14:38.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 14:38.26 | Satorin | I read through it! |
| 14:38.28 | Satorin | Seems doable. |
| 14:38.38 | Satorin | I'm looking to install CSSU-Testing (Thumb). |
| 14:39.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | the most concise and precise description is at the end, under "troubleshooting". However please read the *complete* page first |
| 14:39.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and please first make friend with the default/standard system, not going to install lots of stuff, especially not CSSU and/or stuff from extras-devel repos |
| 14:40.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | then after a week or so come back here asking for the leet stuff ;-) |
| 14:40.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are a few pitfalls, stuff you should steer clear from |
| 14:41.14 | Satorin | That sounds like some solid advice. |
| 14:41.23 | Satorin | The wiki is awesome! |
| 14:41.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a few annoying little bumps in the road that are easily avoided or handled with a word of help from an experienced user |
| 14:43.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and probably the very first thing you should install is |
| 14:43.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | +bm |
| 14:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang!! |
| 14:43.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 14:43.20 | infobot | from memory, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 14:43.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | then cpu load applet and simple brightness applet |
| 14:44.04 | Satorin | Backupmenu seems like a must-have indeed. :P |
| 14:44.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's your level of expertise re general linux? |
| 14:44.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | shell? |
| 14:46.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you're a shell tinkerer, then this might be a nice starting point, after a few days of learning to know stock maemo: |
| 14:46.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 14:46.59 | infobot | it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 14:47.26 | Satorin | I'd say very familiar. |
| 14:47.32 | Satorin | takes a look. |
| 14:47.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you are not familiar and friend with shell, then don't even bother reading that |
| 14:48.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, and: maemo is NOT debian, particularly when it comes to apt and dpkg and package management at alrge |
| 14:49.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | large* |
| 14:49.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | do *not* use apt/dpkg until you understand the differences between maemo and a "normal" debian system |
| 14:50.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | inside hint: the dependencies in maemo repositories are mostly fubar |
| 14:50.58 | Satorin | I'll have to look into the differences concerning apt-get indeed, as I'm very used to the Debian way. |
| 14:51.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | whole maemo fremantle is basically one large metapackage |
| 14:51.16 | Satorin | Some neat info on the jrtools wiki page! |
| 14:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 14:52.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mp |
| 14:52.34 | infobot | somebody said mp was Northern Mariana Islands |
| 14:52.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 14:53.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo mp |
| 14:53.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo |
| 14:53.52 | Satorin | Looking forward to tinker with all that stuff. |
| 14:53.57 | Satorin | stares at the blinking LED. |
| 14:54.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 14:55.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | *maybe* you want to install BM and do a backup of the current system, just in case. Before you're going to flash the device |
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| 16:22.55 | hxka | Hello, what is the "open source bme replacement" I'm hearing about? |
| 16:23.10 | freemangordon | hxka: hmm? |
| 16:23.10 | hxka | Is it the bq27x00_battery module? |
| 16:23.13 | freemangordon | no |
| 16:24.07 | freemangordon | it is battery module+charger module+rx51_battery module+isp1704 module+hal addon+libbmeipc+the applet :) |
| 16:25.07 | freemangordon | hxka: https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement |
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| 16:27.41 | hxka | Oh, thanks |
| 16:30.06 | hxka | What do I need to do to use it besides "stop bme; modprobe bq27x00_battery bq2415x_charger rx51_battery"? |
| 16:30.38 | freemangordon | hxka: this is *replacement* ;) |
| 16:31.18 | hxka | Um |
| 16:31.24 | peetah | anyone managed to set up a NFSv4 mount with rpcbind and idmapd ? rpcbind does not seem to be packaged yet, but there may be a good reason for that. Anyone with more information about it ? |
| 16:31.59 | freemangordon | hxka: pull the source code from gitorious, dpkg-buildpackage it and install it |
| 16:32.17 | freemangordon | hxka: kerneel modules are provided by KP52 |
| 16:32.22 | freemangordon | kernel even |
| 16:32.58 | hxka | Oh, so it's not already packaged |
| 16:33.24 | freemangordon | hxka: it could be, but it is Pali that maintains that |
| 16:33.51 | freemangordon | and he is MIA for some time (his laptop is broken and waits for repairs) |
| 16:34.06 | freemangordon | ~pali |
| 16:34.07 | infobot | rumour has it, pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ |
| 16:34.40 | freemangordon | hxka: but seems he is a good boy http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html |
| 16:34.43 | freemangordon | :) |
| 16:35.11 | freemangordon | ~bme-replacement |
| 16:35.11 | infobot | hmm... bme-replacement is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html See also: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bme_replacement . Please, use wiki page to report bugs/problems and/or solutions to them! |
| 16:35.33 | freemangordon | hxka: I think you have everything now :) |
| 16:35.59 | freemangordon | oh, that is debian repo actually |
| 16:36.52 | hxka | freemangordon: Great, thanks :) |
| 16:37.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | peetah: I don't know of any "good reason" |
| 16:38.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | peetah: IOW I guess it's simply not build yet |
| 16:38.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody took care to do |
| 16:39.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe I just don't know of that good reason despite such reason may exist |
| 16:39.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ^^^ any info? |
| 16:40.12 | peetah | DocScrutinizer05: ok I'll try make my own then, and if I succeed that will give me a good reason to practice maemo packaging |
| 16:40.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 16:40.25 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: no |
| 16:40.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the spirit |
| 16:40.42 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: don;t forget I am not linux admin :) |
| 16:41.05 | freemangordon | peetah: will be cool to upload it to repos if you manage to make it run |
| 16:41.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah i know |
| 16:41.24 | peetah | freemangordon: sure, that was my pont |
| 16:41.30 | peetah | s/pont/point |
| 16:42.10 | Satorin | Finally charged and backupped! It's flashing time~ |
| 16:42.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a sidenote: some nice read about maemo community spirit (and Neo900), among other more general considerations: http://culturedigitally.org/2014/01/spam-and-the-challenge-of-chasing-shadows/ |
| 16:43.43 | sixwheeledbeast | Satorin: Also note to restore a backup with backupmenu you have to be on the same kernel as the backup image. |
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| 16:44.53 | Satorin | Good to know. I'm on the latest stock kernel, though CSSU-Thumb will replace that. |
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| 16:48.11 | hxka | sixwheeledbeast: Not quite. You can restore a backup with any working kernel. To be able to boot after that, yes, you need to have same kernel flashed :P |
| 16:48.29 | freemangordon | correct :) |
| 16:49.22 | sixwheeledbeast | well, that's what I mean. Why would you want a non bootable device? |
| 16:49.44 | hxka | I learned that the hard way and had to flash the kernel with flasher |
| 16:50.49 | hxka | sixwheeledbeast: You wouldn't, I'm just nitpicking |
| 16:51.06 | sixwheeledbeast | :P |
| 16:54.29 | sixwheeledbeast | It would be nice to have some warning I agree. |
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| 16:55.31 | sixwheeledbeast | Yes. CSSU-Thumb will need a kernel with errata workaround. |
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| 17:23.18 | Apic | http://pix.apic.name/Kleinerdrei.jpg |
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| 18:20.02 | MohammadAG | can anyone lend a hand with bash / sed? |
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| 18:29.48 | SAiF | MohammadAG, hi, |
| 18:30.25 | MohammadAG | hi |
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| 18:45.26 | hxka | MohammadAG: What do you mean? |
| 18:45.54 | MohammadAG | I need to remove all spaces before special characters |
| 18:46.02 | MohammadAG | for example, ! ? , etc |
| 18:46.21 | MohammadAG | I can match this with \s[\.!?;] |
| 18:46.46 | hxka | sed 's/ \([!?,]\)/\1/g' |
| 18:46.47 | MohammadAG | basically, I want sed 's/\s[\.!?;]/[\.!?;]/g' |
| 18:47.30 | hxka | sed 's/ \([\.!?;]\)/\1/g' then |
| 18:47.31 | MohammadAG | oh hey, that worked |
| 18:47.45 | MohammadAG | I don't understand how though :p |
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| 18:48.31 | hxka | \1 gets replaced with first matched group, thai is everything between \( and \) |
| 18:49.15 | hxka | (in that case) |
| 18:49.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow MohammadAG! long time no see! :-) |
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| 18:53.01 | MohammadAG | thanks hxka :D |
| 18:53.14 | hxka | yay |
| 18:53.20 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, hi! |
| 18:53.25 | MohammadAG | I've been busy with life |
| 18:53.35 | MohammadAG | (and *lowers head* android) |
| 18:54.01 | MohammadAG | hxka, I'm actually helping someone out with his assignment |
| 18:56.08 | MohammadAG | hxka, this is the crap I came up with http://pastebin.com/FF23s5xJ |
| 18:56.30 | MohammadAG | I'd rate it 1 in a scale of 1-10 crappiness |
| 18:57.17 | hxka | ISP problems, can't reach pastebin.com :( |
| 18:59.52 | Satorin | Reflashed succesfully, now installing CSSU! ^_^ |
| 19:01.50 | MohammadAG | hxka, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/blablabla.sh |
| 19:05.25 | hxka | MohammadAG: You probably don't want to uppercase chars after `;'. |
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| 19:08.40 | hxka | Wait, that was in the assignment. Nevermind. Strange though. |
| 19:09.15 | MohammadAG | hxka, indeed |
| 19:09.21 | MohammadAG | grammatically it looks; Weird |
| 19:09.39 | MohammadAG | plus it doesn't make sense to have else after it |
| 19:10.23 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: hi! where you'veen hiding, man? |
| 19:10.33 | freemangordon | *been |
| 19:11.00 | MohammadAG | between some Jelly Beans :p |
| 19:11.06 | MohammadAG | and life |
| 19:11.37 | freemangordon | oh dear. how's on the dark side of the force? |
| 19:12.09 | MohammadAG | It's actually not bad |
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| 19:12.16 | MohammadAG | once you get past the lack of some tools |
| 19:12.17 | MohammadAG | I miss nano |
| 19:12.41 | freemangordon | only nano? |
| 19:12.45 | freemangordon | what about mc? |
| 19:13.29 | MohammadAG | Nope |
| 19:13.31 | MohammadAG | I never use that |
| 19:13.41 | MohammadAG | in fact, I've never useD that |
| 19:13.47 | Satorin | Mhm, strange, I opted to install CSSU Thumb, but under 'Product info' it states "21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1, flavor: Testing." |
| 19:13.50 | MohammadAG | I used ls + cp + mv on maemo |
| 19:13.54 | MohammadAG | I can live with them on Android |
| 19:14.06 | freemangordon | Satorin: that's normal |
| 19:14.06 | MohammadAG | till my shell loses tab completion |
| 19:14.12 | Satorin | Oh, phew. |
| 19:14.16 | Satorin | Was afraid I messed something up. |
| 19:14.21 | freemangordon | Satorin: oh, wait |
| 19:14.33 | MohammadAG | hahahaha |
| 19:14.33 | freemangordon | you nedd to apt-get/apt-get upgrade |
| 19:14.40 | freemangordon | need* |
| 19:14.55 | Satorin | upgrade from the xterminal or from HAM? |
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| 19:15.11 | freemangordon | right now -testing has higher version than -thumb (will fix that as soon as I have some spare time) |
| 19:15.24 | freemangordon | Satorin: from xterminal |
| 19:15.39 | Satorin | Okay, will do! |
| 19:15.44 | freemangordon | Satorin: or simply do: |
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| 19:16.15 | freemangordon | apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr=T-maemo9-thumb0 |
| 19:16.47 | freemangordon | Satorin: wait |
| 19:16.51 | freemangordon | apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr=21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9+thumb1 |
| 19:16.56 | freemangordon | this is the correct version |
| 19:17.14 | Satorin | I see... will apt-get update/upgrade do the same, or should I set it manually with the above command? |
| 19:17.31 | freemangordon | Satorin: both will do the same, but latter is safer |
| 19:18.02 | freemangordon | I don;t know what repos you have enabled, so apt-get upgrade could do stuff it should not |
| 19:18.05 | freemangordon | so: |
| 19:18.10 | freemangordon | apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr=21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9+thumb1 |
| 19:18.17 | Satorin | I suppose I need root? |
| 19:18.22 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 19:18.25 | Satorin | I will run that. Thanks! |
| 19:18.40 | freemangordon | Satorin: install rootsh if not already did so |
| 19:19.10 | Satorin | I didn't, but I'll do it now. It's a clean installation right now. |
| 19:19.15 | freemangordon | Satorin: mark how much "space will be freed" :) |
| 19:19.24 | hxka | freemangordon: to upgrade to the latest version of mp-fremantle-community-pr you can just run apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr |
| 19:19.39 | hxka | And apt-get won't do anything unintended |
| 19:19.40 | freemangordon | hxka: the latest is -testing |
| 19:19.56 | freemangordon | and it won;t pull the correct packages |
| 19:20.01 | hxka | then upgrade wouldn't fix that |
| 19:20.05 | freemangordon | no |
| 19:20.11 | freemangordon | it will |
| 19:20.24 | freemangordon | hxka: just trust me on that one, ok? :) |
| 19:20.33 | freemangordon | I gtg, night |
| 19:20.41 | Satorin | Thanks for your help, goodnight freemangordon :) |
| 19:21.22 | SAiF | anyone knows how to use openssl? |
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| 19:32.57 | hxka | freemangordon: Okay, I've just installed 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1 version, and what do you think, apt-get upgrade doesn't want to revert it back to 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9+thumb1, just as I said. |
| 19:40.35 | Satorin | Is there a neater fix for the expired keys than setting the time back? |
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| 19:46.21 | Satorin | I'm running an apt-get upgrade, lets see. |
| 19:48.43 | Satorin | Done. No super-interesting packaged got pulled in at all. |
| 19:48.45 | Satorin | Still on testing. |
| 19:51.15 | hxka | Satorin: you can still do apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr=21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9+thumb1 |
| 19:51.55 | hxka | But this won't do anything significant besides changing the displayed version |
| 19:52.17 | Satorin | So technically I'm already using the thumb binaries? |
| 19:52.35 | hxka | You were using them all along |
| 19:52.57 | Satorin | oh, great! |
| 19:53.03 | Satorin | Well, so far so good in that case. |
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| 19:59.36 | Satorin | <freemangordon> Satorin: mark how much "space will be freed" :) |
| 19:59.47 | Satorin | If only! It adds ~2000kb |
| 19:59.53 | Satorin | But that's because it's pulling in other packages. |
| 20:00.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should trust freemangordon, he's maintainer of cssu-thumb |
| 20:00.12 | Satorin | I do trust him, of course. :P |
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| 20:00.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the warning to never do apt-get upgrade still applies |
| 20:01.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | more often than not it will NOT do what you expect it to do |
| 20:02.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | we already seen core libs getting replaced by fubar versions some funny guy uploaded to extras-devel or sth like that |
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| 20:02.51 | Satorin | Oh, I see how that works now. |
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| 20:02.58 | Satorin | Luckily everything seems to work fine for me, up to now. |
| 20:03.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | frequently users update their apps to latest but broken version from extras-devel or even cssu-devel |
| 20:03.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and steer clear of fapman, it does even worse things, like apt-get autoremove |
| 20:04.09 | Satorin | The horror! |
| 20:04.26 | Satorin | I do get a notification of an updated metapackage now, but that's because I reverted to the thumb version... |
| 20:04.38 | Satorin | How do I make sure my binaries are actually the thumb ones now? |
| 20:05.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, the cssu-testing metapackae is newer than the cssu-thumb metapackage, I guess |
| 20:05.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | by installing the cssu-thumb metapackage you pull in all the thumb stuff |
| 20:05.50 | Satorin | It didn't seem to pull in a lot. |
| 20:05.53 | Satorin | But that might be me. |
| 20:06.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-thumb is not exactly easy for users to handle |
| 20:07.25 | Satorin | Wait, so the metapackage is supposed to downgrade everything from the 'newer' testing-metapackage? |
| 20:07.28 | Satorin | I somehow doubt that happened. |
| 20:07.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-testing installs the cssu repo with a higher trustlevel than the core nokia repos, aiui. Thus it's warranted that HAM will update correctly and not roll back patches shipped by CSSU when a Nokia update ships |
| 20:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | for CSSU-thumb the situation is more complex since both cssu-T/S and cssu-thumb live in same repo |
| 20:09.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | just look into the MP what it pulls in, and how |
| 20:09.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | toldya dependencies in maemo are a horror show |
| 20:09.38 | Satorin | Hehe, I figured. |
| 20:09.49 | Satorin | It seems the metapackage doesn't pull in any other thumb-packages. |
| 20:10.00 | Satorin | Hell, I doubt I'm even on the thumb-kernel. |
| 20:10.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | uname -a |
| 20:10.53 | Satorin | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-cssu3 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jul 28 18:05:05 EDT 2012 armv71 unknown |
| 20:10.56 | Satorin | that's a no. |
| 20:11.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you're not on thumbified kernel, the system would already explode into your face |
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| 20:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually you're not |
| 20:11.29 | Satorin | It seems to hold up so far. :P |
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| 20:11.37 | Satorin | It's just there are no thumb packages at all. |
| 20:11.40 | Satorin | Except for the metapackage itself. |
| 20:11.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait wut? |
| 20:11.56 | Satorin | It's what I think, but I'm the noob here... |
| 20:12.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | get powerkernel! |
| 20:12.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~kp |
| 20:12.36 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 |
| 20:13.07 | Satorin | Yeah, I was planning on doing that since I want to overclock a tiny bit. |
| 20:13.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be the cssu thumb kernel, that's deprecated |
| 20:14.14 | Satorin | Installing the power kernel now. |
| 20:14.21 | Satorin | Though I doubt it does anything for the thumb packages. |
| 20:16.52 | Satorin | Well, now it says 2.6.28.10-power52 :P |
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| 20:20.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks better though porbbaly almost same kernel |
| 20:20.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably |
| 20:21.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a sysnode or proc or dev or whatever somewhere, where you could disable the thumb patch in kernel. If you're curious ;-P |
| 20:26.11 | Satorin | Well, yeah. |
| 20:26.24 | Satorin | Is there any way I can revert all applicable packages 'back' to the -thumb version? |
| 20:26.31 | Satorin | They're on -testing now, I'm pretty sure. |
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| 20:37.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | do what freemangordon told ya |
| 20:39.36 | Satorin | I did everything I was instructed to already. |
| 20:39.45 | Satorin | It only downgrades the metapackage but doesn't pull in thumb binaries. |
| 20:39.51 | Satorin | The binaries on my system are the testing ones. |
| 20:39.53 | Satorin | :( |
| 20:44.04 | sixwheeledbeast | "-cssu3" that's the kernel pulled in if you don't have KP |
| 20:44.09 | sixwheeledbeast | for thumb |
| 20:45.27 | sixwheeledbeast | it's practically KP |
| 20:45.54 | Satorin | I'm sure my system supports the thumb binaries now, but it doesn't run any of them because all the testing ones have a higher version. |
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| 20:46.00 | kerio | Satorin: short answer: noooooooooooo |
| 20:46.09 | kerio | downgrading is Bad with a capital Bad |
| 20:46.26 | kerio | long answer: pin the community-thumb repo at a priority higher than 1000 |
| 20:46.28 | kerio | and upgrade |
| 20:46.34 | Satorin | That'd work? |
| 20:46.37 | Satorin | I'll try it right now. |
| 20:46.37 | kerio | eyup |
| 20:46.55 | kerio | apt won't consider downgrading unless the repo the packages are coming from has a priority higher than 1000 |
| 20:52.40 | Satorin | I tried, but the behavior of apt-get upgrade doesn't seem to change. |
| 20:52.48 | sixwheeledbeast | I would have thought all thumb ones would be there. "dpkg-query -W osso-pdf-viewer" |
| 20:52.56 | Satorin | Oh wait. |
| 20:53.00 | Satorin | Let me check... |
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| 20:55.05 | sixwheeledbeast | or even "dpkg-query -W | grep +thumb" for a full list |
| 20:55.27 | sixwheeledbeast | but osso-pdf-view was updated recently IIRC |
| 20:55.39 | sixwheeledbeast | ~cssu-thumb |
| 20:55.39 | infobot | well, cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb |
| 20:56.20 | sixwheeledbeast | Tmaemo8.3+thumb2 it seems |
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| 20:56.46 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon can you update the changelog on wmo please :) |
| 21:00.44 | sixwheeledbeast | ~312/5 |
| 21:00.44 | infobot | 62.4 |
| 21:01.00 | sixwheeledbeast | ~62*3 |
| 21:01.00 | infobot | 186 |
| 21:10.57 | Satorin | I seem to have it working now. I pinned the repo and upgraded again. |
| 21:11.11 | Satorin | Packages are their thumb versions now. |
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| 21:15.40 | hxka | OMG what |
| 21:16.02 | hxka | 9.1 only brings fmtx-middleware and two qt libs |
| 21:16.18 | hxka | They never had any thumb-compiled version |
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| 21:16.54 | hxka | There is no point in pinning the thumb repo, there is nowhere to downgrade there |
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| 21:17.42 | hxka | Except the mp, of course |
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| 21:19.28 | kerio | Satorin: for the general usage, only pin it to something like 600 |
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| 21:21.35 | hxka | Nope, I lied. Those tho libs do have a thumb version, and you probably have it already. |
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| 21:22.42 | Satorin | notes. |
| 21:22.45 | hxka | It added ~2000kb because they're new, not an upgrade |
| 21:22.57 | Satorin | Enabling Smartreflex should be safe, right? |
| 21:23.04 | Satorin | Sorry for all the noob questions by the way. |
| 21:23.07 | hxka | Yeah |
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| 21:28.14 | sixwheeledbeast | Smartreflex is stable on stock frequencies yes |
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| 21:29.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | unclear |
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| 21:30.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | according to Nokia it's not stable |
| 21:30.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sr |
| 21:30.29 | infobot | [SmartReflex] >>Again, TI and we [Nokia] couldn't fix SmartReflex - we say memory corruption in front of our own eyes with that enabled, so we had to ship that disabled.<< |
| 21:32.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course you're free to outsmart TI and Nokia engineers, or simply say they lie at you |
| 21:33.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | or gamble and hope you have a "good" device |
| 21:34.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or just don't care and go for SR no matter what, just for the leetness |
| 21:35.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | you as well can wear a tinfoil hat and claim nobody but you knows about the benefits it brings |
| 21:36.06 | hxka | Wow, that was really unhelpful |
| 21:36.18 | hxka | http://wiki.maemo.org/Smartreflex#Kernel_Power |
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| 21:38.27 | hxka | It is even enabled by default in kernel-power |
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| 21:41.29 | hxka | (maybe that's not true, but it definitely enabled in k-p-s default profile) |
| 21:42.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's thanks to those who prever gambling and leetness over stability and secure data |
| 21:42.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | prefer even |
| 21:46.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can think of at least 5 causes why SR fails and about same number of reasons why it may not fail on your particular device |
| 21:47.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course almost all of those reasons are not static and stable - means when it doesn't fail today, that#s not any warranty that it doesn't fail tomorrow maybe |
| 21:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | while the true measured power savings form SR are rather marginal |
| 21:50.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually playing mp3 is probably the only usecase where SR would have any *noticeable* effect - as in "maybe 10% longer" or somesuch |
| 21:51.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and please don't answer now with general undervolting since that's not what SR is all about |
| 21:51.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | SR is strictly about automatic core voltage regulation according to operating parameters of the core |
| 21:52.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | means on 500MHz and 600MHz SR has probably no effect per definitionem |
| 21:54.05 | hxka | >I can think of at least 5 causes why SR fails and about same number of reasons why it may not fail on your particular device |
| 21:54.16 | hxka | Can you elaborate? |
| 21:56.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | as elaborated above SR regulates core voltage. This is done in twl4030 PSM chip. just one possible cause of SR falure might be a propagation delay on Vcore trace from twl4030 to omap3430, caused by either a capacitor with specs out of range, or a layout oopsie, or a silicon error in either of both chips. Except the layout error all those culprits are depending on e.g. ambient temperature and whatnot else |
| 21:58.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | the trace may even be prone to ringing |
| 21:58.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | a particularly lovely effect EE have to cope with |
| 22:00.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway there's no way whatsoever you could make sure or even just find out about SR status on your device |
| 22:01.00 | Mike11 | hello everybody :) |
| 22:01.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you have a lab equpped with instruments that cost in the 6 digit rnage |
| 22:01.21 | Mike11 | I have a nokia n900 , with a very stupid problem with its camera |
| 22:01.54 | Mike11 | when it is dark , the flash works but right before the lens takes the picture |
| 22:02.03 | Mike11 | so the picture is always dark |
| 22:02.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh |
| 22:02.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's indeed stupid |
| 22:02.28 | Mike11 | hahaha lol :D |
| 22:02.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | are you sure you haven't disabled flashlight? |
| 22:02.39 | hxka | DocScrutinizer05: I must admit I'm not competent enough to tell if that makes sense. |
| 22:02.48 | Mike11 | do you think that is software related!? |
| 22:03.03 | Mike11 | no it is Automatic in camera settings |
| 22:03.19 | Mike11 | I have the package flashlight installed |
| 22:03.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | when flash disabled, I think it still uses flashlight for autofocus |
| 22:04.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Mike11: honestly? reflash the device, then test without any of your usual apps installed (yet) |
| 22:04.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | no better idea on my side |
| 22:05.34 | Mike11 | yes thanks man :D |
| 22:05.53 | Mike11 | flashlight allows me to use the mobile as a torch |
| 22:06.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | make a BM backup and a standard osso backup |
| 22:06.09 | Mike11 | I don't think it is the one causing problems though |
| 22:06.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | then flash the rootfs |
| 22:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | then test |
| 22:06.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | then use the osso backup to restoe one app after the other, and test in between |
| 22:06.54 | Mike11 | that will take too long :( but looks like it is the only way :( |
| 22:07.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you think you found the culprit, restore from BM backup and uninstall the culprit |
| 22:07.12 | Mike11 | can it be the super user kernel!!?? |
| 22:07.30 | Mike11 | thanks for your time man :) |
| 22:07.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt it's kernel related |
| 22:08.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably a smart bisect startegy with installing apps can considerably reduce the time to spot the culprit |
| 22:08.34 | Mike11 | also I was trying to install gcc compiler on n900 , but I have a problem with header files :( |
| 22:09.08 | Mike11 | a program with no includes that does nothing compiles |
| 22:09.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash (takes 90s), install first 50% of apps (takes maybe 15 min automatic installation) |
| 22:09.35 | Mike11 | but when I include iostream , it says that file not found!!? |
| 22:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | when the error doesn't sho up, install 50% of the remaining 50% |
| 22:09.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | if error occured after 50% already: reflash and install only 25% |
| 22:10.12 | Mike11 | yes I will google those kinds of backups (BM and osso) , I've never done them before |
| 22:10.23 | Mike11 | do they backup intalled applications? |
| 22:10.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're not supposed to install gcc and friends on rootfs |
| 22:10.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | won't fit |
| 22:11.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 22:11.08 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 22:11.23 | Mike11 | how else can I intall gcc? |
| 22:11.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and osso backup is the defualt backup you find in appstarter |
| 22:11.35 | Mike11 | hmm good :) |
| 22:11.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | install gcc in easydeb chroot |
| 22:12.07 | Mike11 | why is it that bad to install gcc on rootfs?? |
| 22:12.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you actually *need* compiler on your N900 |
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| 22:12.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | because rootfs is +small* |
| 22:12.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Dateisystem Size Used Avail Use% EingehÃĪngt auf |
| 22:12.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | rootfs 228M 169M 56M 76% / |
| 22:13.11 | Mike11 | seems like I need a lot of more reading about the device :) |
| 22:13.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~optification |
| 22:13.29 | infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" |
| 22:13.43 | Mike11 | I will read about this stuff (rootfs limitations, BM , chroot easydeb, .. ) |
| 22:13.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don#t wnat to do this for gcc. So -> easydebian chroot |
| 22:13.58 | Mike11 | thanks again man :) |
| 22:14.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 22:14.23 | Mike11 | out of curiosity how do you have this experience ??! |
| 22:14.25 | Mike11 | :) |
| 22:14.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | lingering on here for 5 years |
| 22:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 22:15.01 | Mike11 | cool buddy I want to be like you :p |
| 22:15.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you don't ;-D |
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| 22:15.57 | Mike11 | why?! everybody wants to ask you :p |
| 22:16.21 | Mike11 | you are like google now :) |
| 22:18.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | a) don't think it feels good to be google |
| 22:18.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | b) that's my least worry |
| 22:19.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | those 5 years basically ruined my life |
| 22:19.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 22:20.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | to be like me means you'll turn into a grumpy old sick zombie |
| 22:21.20 | Mike11 | why do you think of yourself like that??! how old are you man ? |
| 22:21.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | older than I'd prefer to be |
| 22:22.37 | Mike11 | maybe but you can still do what you want , no matter what age you are :) |
| 22:23.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, right now I actually do what is a lot of fun for me, yeah |
| 22:23.26 | xes | i'm just wondering if nobody else has issues with the media player and mafw-gst-renderer... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72156&page=157 |
| 22:23.35 | Mike11 | wish you the best buddy :D |
| 22:23.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi xes! |
| 22:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | issues? |
| 22:23.51 | xes | hi Doc! |
| 22:24.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | mafw-gst-renderer is.... sub-par |
| 22:24.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72156&page=157 tl;dr |
| 22:25.38 | xes | issues...for a long time... Now it seems that something is more clear |
| 22:27.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | what issues? |
| 22:27.43 | xes | video not starting ...random |
| 22:27.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 22:27.57 | xes | (nothing is really random) |
| 22:28.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | proly related to DSP |
| 22:29.12 | xes | yep i was thinking the same. But now i have changed opinion |
| 22:29.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | every now and then H.264(?) decoder in DSP locks up, and sometimes not even a software reset (done autonatically) will resurrect it. Then you actually need to power down resp reboot |
| 22:29.47 | xes | killing mafw-gst-renderer solves completely |
| 22:29.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooooh! |
| 22:30.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | nice find! |
| 22:31.34 | xes | my stupid OMP script gives ~99% working videos and more ram (see last post) |
| 22:31.48 | xes | but, for sure is not a proper solution |
| 22:31.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | miniminimini-app: queenbeecon-button: label="recover video", exec="killall mafw-gst-renderer" ? |
| 22:32.31 | xes | kill gst-renderer before and after omp... ;) |
| 22:32.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, OMP |
| 22:33.36 | xes | btw with stock media player it happens the same |
| 22:33.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | that might in fact explain it |
| 22:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, not |
| 22:33.53 | xes | yep |
| 22:34.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | rarely ever (if at all) happened to me |
| 22:35.24 | xes | rarely != never and when that process is freezed it remains in that state until reboot |
| 22:39.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and do you know why it freezes? |
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| 22:40.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, when it happens so frequently to you, maybe a strace atached per default would shed some light on it? |
| 22:41.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe gstreamer resp mafw even has some --debug already built in and it's just disabled or piped to /dev/null ? |
| 22:41.29 | xes | ..not a clear idea so far |
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