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| 10:22.25 | solofight|2 | people. using the standard application installer is a pain the a**... if i want to install multiple applications.. every time it has to refresh with my slow internet connection - any healthy alternatives ? |
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| 10:24.42 | joga | solofight|2, well, there's "fap"="faster app manager", but I think it had some tendency to mess with the source list or so it's not perfect |
| 10:25.12 | solofight|2 | joga: yea DocScrutinizer05 also suggested me not to use it |
| 10:25.23 | solofight|2 | no other way ! ? |
| 10:25.34 | solofight|2 | and which repo i should not include in my list ? dev or testing ? |
| 10:25.42 | joga | I've simply used apt-get sometimes |
| 10:26.24 | joga | but tbh it's probably been over two years or so since I last installed anything :) |
| 10:27.41 | solofight|2 | joga: the repos, they asked me not to enable a repo... forgot whether its testing or dev |
| 10:27.54 | solofight|2 | any idea which is the one which causes damage to your device ? |
| 10:29.00 | joga | the repos themselves don't cause damage but you may want to avoid dev unless there's something you need |
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| 10:33.56 | MrPingu | Exactly, it's basically like this: Stable - Testing - DEVELopment. |
| 10:34.20 | MrPingu | Only enable the latter if you really need something from there |
| 10:34.52 | solofight|2 | several applications are not in the stable yet i think.... for example DocScrutinizer05 was mentioning about apmefo fo rorganizing launcher icons.. its not in stable yet :( |
| 10:35.11 | solofight|2 | MrPingu: so testing is ok ? it wont lead to a brick device right ? |
| 10:35.30 | joga | I've had testing enabled for years |
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| 10:35.44 | MrPingu | solofight|2: Devel is OK too for most applications, but there are some bad ones |
| 10:36.09 | MrPingu | So you better enable devel and testing, get what you want and disable it again |
| 10:37.05 | solofight|2 | MrPingu: how do i know which are the bad ones and which are not ? |
| 10:37.33 | MrPingu | Use talk.maemo.org and google ;) |
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| 10:37.41 | MrPingu | Just do a bit research |
| 10:38.08 | MrPingu | And avoid everything what has the name patch in it (battery and speedpatch) |
| 10:38.50 | solofight|2 | oh ok |
| 10:39.30 | MrPingu | If you just use an extra bit of caution, I think there's no change you immediately brick your device |
| 10:40.38 | MrPingu | There are some really good quality programs like Cooktimer, pierogi, lanterne, hamster-filer to be found in devel |
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| 10:41.13 | MrPingu | And if you aren't sure of some application you can ask here ;) |
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| 10:43.11 | solofight|2 | MrPingu: is there a way to have a seperate gallery lock where i can put my private pics ? right now its getting shown as a part of all pictures ! |
| 10:43.50 | solofight|2 | so it will have a general gallery which my friends can see and seperate gallery which my relatives alone can see |
| 10:44.03 | solofight|2 | password protected or something/...possible >? |
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| 10:45.40 | MrPingu | Not that I know of, but I don't have the need for such thing thus never looked into it |
| 10:45.48 | solofight|2 | one more problem is that i am using recaller to record all calls (in a seperate folder inside mydocs)... but the recorded files are being shown and played as a part of the music player ! ! |
| 10:46.34 | MrPingu | Use tracker-cfg (really nice tool to edit tracker behaviour) |
| 10:47.11 | MrPingu | Look for NoWatchDirectory and add that folder and rebuilt database |
| 10:47.54 | MrPingu | Another example of nice tool from devel ;) |
| 10:47.58 | solofight|2 | :) |
| 10:48.06 | solofight|2 | thank you - will enable devel now |
| 10:48.22 | solofight|2 | enabling devel will also enable testing ? or i should do that seperately ? |
| 10:48.44 | MrPingu | Just disable devel after use cause it makes HAM(Hildon Application Manager) slow |
| 10:48.59 | MrPingu | Seperately ;) |
| 10:49.15 | solofight|2 | ok |
| 10:49.25 | MrPingu | is AFK for some time |
| 10:49.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't use extras-testing! it doesn't have anything that's not ib devel already |
| 10:50.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | really extras-devel and extras-testing are pretty much mutually exclusive |
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| 10:51.35 | solofight|2 | Ok |
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| 10:52.09 | solofight|2 | if Hamster-filler and lanterne are so good apps why are they still in devel and not in stable ? |
| 10:52.21 | solofight|2 | when does an app qualify to come to stable ? |
| 10:54.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel#Promoting_packages_to_extras-testing |
| 10:56.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel |
| 10:56.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Developers upload the newest version of their software to extras-devel. From there the packages go Extras-testing and finally Extras through an automatic and human Quality Assurance process<< |
| 10:57.00 | zamn900 | this chan is ever flooding for my irssi taste |
| 10:57.12 | zamn900 | happy new year to all |
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| 10:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing |
| 10:58.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>The maemo.org extras-testing repository hosts community applications and related packages that are waiting to be evaluated and promoted to Maemo 5 Extras. The packages hosted here are promoted from extras-devel and have gone through an automated quality check. Now they need real humans assessing that they are indeed ready to be released.<< |
| 11:00.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing#Community_Quality_Assurance |
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| 11:11.34 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer05, what happens to maintaining requests? I've sent one some days ago for ssh-status and haven't received any response since |
| 11:14.00 | int_ua | also, my main N900 just died while receiving call. Just squeaked loudly and stuck on vibration. And now hildon-desktop won't start |
| 11:17.08 | int_ua | it just segfaults. 2.2.153-2+thumb0 |
| 11:18.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeeek |
| 11:18.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | int_ua: I have no idea what happened to maintainer requests. I guess merlin1991 is handling them |
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| 11:26.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | happy new year! |
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| 11:42.11 | int_ua | Anyone with thumb repo tried rebooting after the latest update? |
| 11:42.38 | kerio | i think i booted some times |
| 11:42.54 | kerio | int_ua: changed the kernel? |
| 11:43.20 | kerio | as usual, fire up rescueos and check what's in /lib/modules and flash the matching kernel |
| 11:44.45 | MrPingu | int_ua: working fine over here |
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| 11:46.51 | int_ua | kerio, kernel starts just fine, it's the hildon-desktop that crashes |
| 11:46.59 | kerio | reinstall it maybe? |
| 11:47.06 | kerio | idk if it would help |
| 11:47.26 | kerio | it's kind of awkward to do i guess |
| 11:47.27 | int_ua | kerio, already tried |
| 11:47.32 | kerio | do you have backups? |
| 11:47.41 | int_ua | kerio, not really |
| 11:47.45 | kerio | :( |
| 11:48.38 | int_ua | kerio, but I can make them through SSH. But it could take hours. While in two hours I was going to a party ;( |
| 11:48.51 | kerio | i have no party to go to :( |
| 11:49.11 | kerio | int_ua: it won't take hours tho |
| 11:49.16 | MrPingu | Parties without phones are fun ;) |
| 11:49.20 | kerio | that, too |
| 11:49.24 | kerio | rescueos has usb mass storage if you want |
| 11:49.31 | kerio | or just backupmenu |
| 11:49.36 | int_ua | kerio, that's sad |
| 11:49.48 | kerio | idk if it's sad actually |
| 11:49.52 | kerio | i don't really feel like doing stuff |
| 11:51.18 | int_ua | kerio, well, yeah, me too, it's not a party in common loud sense, just some friend gathering to play some tabletop games |
| 11:51.38 | int_ua | s/friend/friends/ |
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| 12:59.34 | int_ua | The last two lines of strace are "rt_sigaction(SIGWINCH, ... ) = 0" and "tgkill (... SIGSEGV) = 0" |
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| 13:09.52 | int_ua | strace: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ha62m7me |
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| 13:15.33 | int_ua | found it: malformed transitions.ini due to nano wrapping lines |
| 13:22.04 | Hurrian | is there a way to have nano not do that? |
| 13:22.29 | Hurrian | iirc I have vim set to display the wrap, but in the file, it's the same line. |
| 13:23.46 | ShadowJK | nano -w |
| 13:23.49 | ShadowJK | no wrapa |
| 13:26.44 | Hurrian | ShadowJK: does that display the wrap at the end of the terminal line with a $, or to the next line (but in the file, still part of the same line)? |
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| 13:27.50 | ShadowJK | $ |
| 13:28.31 | MrPingu | ShadowJK: wasn't there also a config for that, to automagically disable wrap |
| 13:34.30 | int_ua | Hurrian, there is, but the nano I'm using have no config file for that |
| 13:34.45 | Hurrian | ah. in that case, i'll look it up when I get home |
| 13:35.05 | Hurrian | it seriously peeves me when I use Fremantle, and i'm on-device and not logged on with ssh. |
| 13:35.39 | int_ua | MrPingu, Hurrian If you'll find where to put config file for nano-opt, please let me know |
| 13:36.38 | int_ua | IIRC, it was ignoring the config from older nano |
| 13:37.52 | int_ua | BTW, why do we have to use hildon-desktop.launcher? |
| 13:38.05 | int_ua | instead of hildon-desktop |
| 13:38.41 | Hurrian | int_ua: something related to environment variables and how fremantle apps get handled |
| 13:38.43 | Hurrian | or something |
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| 13:40.34 | MrPingu | From what I read it works with a ~/.nanorc file |
| 13:40.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Hurrian> is there a way to have nano not do that?)) wrong question |
| 13:41.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | is tehere a way to teach damn MHD not to segfault on this |
| 13:42.22 | MrPingu | echo "set nowrap" > ~/.nanorc |
| 13:42.53 | MrPingu | int_ua, Hurrian: ^^^ |
| 13:43.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | please could somebody maybe open a ticket against CSSU: "HD segfalts when arbitrary garbage in transitions.ini" |
| 13:44.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean C'MON! a *segfault* when a ini file is not as pretty as it should be? *seriously?* |
| 13:44.41 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, but that'd mean having proper input sanitization in it |
| 13:45.03 | Hurrian | wait, wasn't there a mechanism to load a "default" transitions.ini if FHD segfaulted repeatedly too quickly? |
| 13:45.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is a fundamental mandatory measure to have on *all* programs |
| 13:45.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: CSSU should throw you to a xterm |
| 13:45.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I defined that, a year or two ago |
| 13:46.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | one-char fix in "dsmetool start HD" |
| 13:47.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't recall the details |
| 13:47.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | FHD like Fscking Hildon Desktop? ;-D |
| 13:48.56 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: the hildon-desktop launcher script should include a watchdog that dumps you to XTerm if it respawns too fast. |
| 13:49.11 | Hurrian | *respawns too fast when killed via SIGSEGV |
| 13:49.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: that watchdog is dsme |
| 13:50.09 | Hurrian | ...but that reboots the device and doesn't put it into a "fail-safe, fix it" mode. |
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| 13:50.37 | Hurrian | the MALF screen in Harmattan would be a perfect place to put a XTerm in if they had hw keyboards. |
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| 13:51.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: yes, on default stock maemo it reboots, on CSSU with my one-char fix it simply stops trying to relaunch the HD after dunno 10 tries in 60s |
| 13:51.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | but does NOT reboot the device |
| 13:52.57 | MrPingu | DocScrutinizer05: That's how it should be |
| 13:53.25 | MrPingu | Luckily we have also pali's and Mentalist Recovery console |
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| 13:55.13 | Hurrian | i never got the logic of rebooting the device if HD respawned too fast. |
| 13:55.22 | Hurrian | if it hung, sure, reboot - lockups happen |
| 13:57.25 | xes | tracker is reading wrong battery percentage... Is it a known issue? |
| 13:57.52 | Hurrian | xes: what's your fuel gauge driver? |
| 13:58.06 | Hurrian | the Nokia stock stuff or Pali's open stuff? |
| 13:59.00 | xes | Hurrian: mm..good question. Let me check |
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| 14:00.30 | solofight | Thanks DocScrutinizer05 for the links |
| 14:02.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: yw |
| 14:03.55 | solofight | people i am trying to install the lantern application in my n900, enabled testing and extyras non free on my application manager..... opened the app manager, selected "all" category and typed lan which filtered few results.... thre is no lanteterne in it ! |
| 14:04.21 | solofight | *enabled dev |
| 14:05.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: there's quite a number of bugs in stock tracker. I wouldn't be surprised if battery level radout would be one of them. BTW I can't recall tracker cares at all about battery level, only about 2powered by battery" vs "by charging" |
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| 14:05.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 14:05.53 | infobot | well, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 14:06.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/lanterne/ |
| 14:06.41 | ShadowJK | xes:.stops reading it entirely after couple days |
| 14:06.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea why it's not showing up inb HAM. Obviously you need to enable extras-devel repo for it |
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| 14:07.49 | xes | Hurrian: DocScrutinizer05: well, now i have loaded the rx51_battery driver. Tracker as a minimum battery level required to run |
| 14:08.01 | xes | ShadowJK: sorry? |
| 14:08.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | never knew about that |
| 14:08.20 | Hurrian | xes: you can turn that off in the configs in the meanwhile, assuming you don't add too much media when the battery's low |
| 14:08.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I usually have disabled tracking while on battery |
| 14:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | assuming it still should add new photos and videos that are announced to tracker explicitly by camera. Dunno if that assumption is right |
| 14:10.02 | ShadowJK | xes: for me it eventually gets stuck reading it as 0% |
| 14:10.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: how do you know? |
| 14:10.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | trackerd logs? |
| 14:10.58 | ShadowJK | tail -f .local/share/trackerd.log |
| 14:11.15 | ShadowJK | tail -f .local/share/tracker/trackerd.log |
| 14:11.22 | xes | or syslog |
| 14:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh! |
| 14:11.54 | MrPingu | solofight: It should be there, refreshed the catalogues? |
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| 14:14.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | frowns at http://privatepaste.com/c3dbfe7771 |
| 14:15.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw |
| 14:15.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# uptime |
| 14:15.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.25 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: in the catalogue details, i need to distribution as fremantle and components as "free non-free" without the quotes right ? web address ends with extras-devel/ |
| 14:18.43 | ShadowJK | i wonder why sometimes my uSD is mounted as mmc1, and sometimes as mmc1p1 |
| 14:19.37 | solofight | MrPingu: yes - updated ... updating again |
| 14:19.48 | solofight | in the catalogue details, i need to distribution as fremantle and components as "free non-free" without the quotes right ? web address ends with extras-devel/ |
| 14:19.54 | solofight | MrPingu: is this correct ? ^ |
| 14:19.59 | MrPingu | Yes |
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| 14:25.16 | xes | talking about open media player... Nobody else is experiencing this issue: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1395932&postcount=1549 ?? |
| 14:27.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: I think yes |
| 14:28.41 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: there is a race condition in ke-recv, Pali fixed it on gitorious but it is still not released |
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| 14:42.26 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: which one is better "applock" or "applocker" ? http://maemo.org/packages/view/applock/ |
| 14:42.30 | solofight | http://maemo.org/packages/view/applocker/ |
| 14:50.15 | solofight | people, its strange ! i see the applock and applocker frm this page http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/?org_openpsa_qbpager_packages_in_repo_page=3 butthe apmefo app is not visible ! |
| 14:50.24 | solofight | when i type apm it gives me empty screen |
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| 15:07.00 | solofight | is there any reason why several packages in this list is not available in my application manager even after configuring and refreshing dev ? http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/?org_openpsa_qbpager_packages_in_repo_page=4 |
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| 15:21.15 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer05, I'll open the bug report, but in the next year, ok? |
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| 15:44.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: might be another mess-up judging by http://maemo.org/packages/view/apmefo/ showing a version without version string as last upload, but the one before last as the available version |
| 15:44.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/apmefo// |
| 15:45.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | vs. http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/apmefo/0.11-1/ |
| 15:47.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | apmefo 0.11-1Fremantle Extras-devel free i386Package importedSystem2011-01-05 11:43 |
| 15:47.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0.11-1* Upload to Extras to give users something better working. I will not provide updates as I am leaving Maemo platform.Marcin Juszkiewicz2010-12-10 11:12 UTC |
| 15:48.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | apmefoFremantle Extras-devel free armelPackage importedSystem2011-12-02 14:48 |
| 15:48.09 | solofight | damn |
| 15:48.24 | solofight | so who will maintain it henceforth ? |
| 15:48.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | apmefo? no maintainer since 3 years it seems |
| 15:49.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | err at least 2 years |
| 15:49.33 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: so how do i install it now ? using apt-get install apmefo 0.11-1 ? |
| 15:49.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | try clicking on "apmefo_0.11-1_all.deb" in http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/apmefo/0.11-1/ |
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| 15:50.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | should download the file, alas it doesn't autoinstall it due to some flaw in browser config. |
| 15:51.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | but locating the downloaded .deb file in filemanager and clicking on it will install it |
| 15:52.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, flood! duck and cover! |
| 15:52.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy apmefo |
| 15:52.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | apmefo: |
| 15:52.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:03.45 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: i want to install this http://maemo.org/packages/view/arapp/ is it safe ? |
| 16:04.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: I don't know |
| 16:04.39 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: i want to learn how you guys decide whether it is safe to install an app from dev or not |
| 16:04.54 | solofight | can you please let me know what all parameters to watch out ? |
| 16:05.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems to have same problem of last upload had no version string in name |
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| 16:06.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: that's a very difficult question. Most of the "don't use that" is historical knowledge from users reporting problems |
| 16:06.23 | solofight | oh |
| 16:06.51 | solofight | i am on a installation spree today - dont know whether tomorrow my phone will break :P |
| 16:07.25 | MrPingu | solofight: thats the danger of extras-devel :P |
| 16:07.44 | MrPingu | I always look on TMO to find 'reviews' of an app :P |
| 16:07.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally you want to do a complete backup of your system (using backupmenu) and then install only ONE app from extras-devel and give it several days or even weeks of thorough testing, during which you don't install other stuff that might introduce unrelated issues and thus spoils your evaluation results |
| 16:08.24 | zammy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.33 | MrPingu | What Doc says ^^ |
| 16:08.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | for SURE not! |
| 16:09.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | freenode-newyears is a spam channel of the evil kind |
| 16:09.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ascii graphics anybody? |
| 16:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I promise in *this* channel you get no second warning for sending ascii graphics |
| 16:10.26 | MrPingu | Happy new year, doc! :P |
| 16:10.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | happy new year! |
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| 16:12.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: I usually do a reflash after nstalling&testing&(usually)uninstaling a few dozen of apps to check them out |
| 16:12.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even better a backupmenu restore of a clean state from before that testing marathon |
| 16:12.45 | MrPingu | I'm waiting to get my second N900 back to start dissecting extras-devel |
| 16:13.37 | MrPingu | Too bad there are some really good applications only devel |
| 16:14.01 | solofight | MrPingu: ++ |
| 16:14.15 | freemangordon | MrPingu: like? |
| 16:14.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | MrPingu: some of them have no maintainer, so nobody who could promote them to devel |
| 16:14.47 | freemangordon | MrPingu: if you are not aware - repos and promotion work for more than half an year |
| 16:15.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/devel/extras/ |
| 16:15.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | some depend on other stuff or on hacks which are not suitable for extras |
| 16:15.39 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: actually those with admins right can, but that is not a solution for an basically orphaned package |
| 16:15.51 | freemangordon | s/an/a |
| 16:16.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: I know *I* can do this ;-D |
| 16:16.16 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 16:16.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I can't take the fallout from that |
| 16:16.33 | freemangordon | yep, my point. |
| 16:16.43 | solofight | MrPingu: bad that no more n900 is in the market |
| 16:16.54 | freemangordon | solofight: neo900 is comming |
| 16:16.58 | solofight | project neo900 got initiated i believe |
| 16:16.59 | solofight | yeah |
| 16:17.05 | MrPingu | Well something like configuration editor |
| 16:17.10 | solofight | its ridiculosly expensive ! |
| 16:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | promotong a package from extras-devel to extras without any clue about its status is as silly as it can get |
| 16:17.18 | freemangordon | solofight: no it is not |
| 16:17.38 | freemangordon | soltys: do you have an idea how much did n900 cost when it came out? |
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| 16:17.52 | solofight | freemangordon: how much ? |
| 16:18.01 | freemangordon | about 600 euros iirc |
| 16:18.09 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: correct? |
| 16:18.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's more reasonable to suggest to users they should enable extras-devel all the time, rather than some admin going apeshit and spamming extras with extras-devel packages without proper QA |
| 16:19.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, correct. IIRC |
| 16:19.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | 599 IIRC |
| 16:19.38 | MrPingu | wiki.maemo.org/extras-testing/Darp |
| 16:20.26 | MrPingu | started to dissect with sixwheeledbeast some year ago ;) |
| 16:21.58 | MrPingu | Some are not meant for extras but some of them are ;) |
| 16:23.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | cool |
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| 16:24.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know there's a "request maintainership for this package" button somewhere on maemo.org |
| 16:24.41 | MrPingu | Yes but I don't know shit about packaging |
| 16:24.44 | solofight | 2 years back when i wanted to enter mobile development this was exactly my question/vision.... why not have a good hardware and install my own software |
| 16:25.05 | solofight | why should i get attached to a software which i dont like on a hardware which i like |
| 16:25.30 | solofight | thought behind neo900 is of same lines i think ? |
| 16:25.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | welcome to the right place for you, then! :-) |
| 16:26.02 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: is there any opportunities to get involved in this development ? |
| 16:26.25 | solofight | fulltime or part time ..any which ways |
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| 16:28.45 | MrPingu | hit ctrl+Q instead of ctrl + 1 |
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| 16:35.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: which development exactly? |
| 16:36.23 | solofight | neo900 and maemo version updates to it |
| 16:42.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | neo900 is supposed to get a binary compatible maemo fremantle, so all apps will work OOTB |
| 16:42.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | porting this fremantle to neo900 can use all the help it can get |
| 16:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | neo900 hw development is done by Nikolaus and me, and we hardly can use help. It's already hard enough to communicate and sync between the two of us |
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| 16:44.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I listen to suggestions regarding hardware |
| 16:44.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I even answer most of them |
| 16:44.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless they have already been answered 3 or 4 or 5 times |
| 16:45.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 |
| 16:46.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually the neo900 team will hand out development device loaner prototypes to the most active developers |
| 16:46.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | unlike Nokia we will call them back eventually |
| 16:46.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | we can't afford giveaways |
| 16:48.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm about to consider and architecture a concept how to get paid development for porting fremantle, so we could offer devices with preinstalled fremantle for a maybe 20 or 30 bucks on top of the barebones hw pricetag |
| 16:49.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | for now that volume is at least 300*30EUR you could earn |
| 16:49.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | might become 3000*30 |
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| 16:50.47 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: are you the founder of maemo ? |
| 16:50.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I will contract a single individual or entity to handle all that and receive the complete refund |
| 16:51.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: no way |
| 16:51.18 | Venemo | what's up with the Neo900? :) |
| 16:51.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I was even relatively late in the game, arounf diablo |
| 16:51.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Venemo: eh? what shall be up with it? |
| 16:51.50 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: was heavily involved in the development of n900 with nokia ? |
| 16:51.56 | solofight | oh |
| 16:52.20 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer05: that's what I'm asking - seen the website, it's quite nice |
| 16:52.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I don't get the question |
| 16:53.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | see http://neo900.org/#news |
| 16:54.43 | Venemo | hm, nice |
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| 16:58.46 | MrPingu | I'm out bye! |
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| 17:03.17 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: can i pm you ? |
| 17:03.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | regarding what? |
| 17:03.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | pm is overhead |
| 17:03.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | or are you talking about a /query? |
| 17:04.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course you can /query me |
| 17:05.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | please NO pm on tmo |
| 17:05.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and email only when there#s good reason for it |
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| 17:08.46 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: not email, pm here in irc |
| 17:11.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg |
| 17:11.42 | infobot | rumour has it, joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 17:12.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/profile/view/joerg_rw/ |
| 17:13.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JOERG |
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| 17:14.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council |
| 17:14.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2010-April/002611.html |
| 17:24.23 | solofight | fremantle porting task force ? who constitute this team ? where can i see what help they are in need now ? |
| 17:24.27 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: ^ |
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| 17:24.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically that's freemangordon and a few other guys |
| 17:25.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | communication is mainly done over at #maemo-ssu (though I wonder if that's not a bit confusing) |
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| 17:26.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf |
| 17:26.27 | infobot | rumour has it, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 17:27.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: you honestly should post a bit more about current state of things on ^^^ thread |
| 17:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's pretty hard to introduce new volunteers like solofight to FPTF when there's no summary anywhere |
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| 17:29.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: you should pester freemangordon about what's current state of FPTF, who's contributing what, and how to help |
| 17:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: you also can check the #maemo-ssu irclog (see /topic over there) for yesterday's communication between freemangordon and ravelo_ |
| 17:31.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: ^^^ |
| 17:31.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | (sorry, ETAB) |
| 17:35.11 | solofight | sure - looking at it now |
| 17:35.14 | solofight | thanks |
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| 17:44.15 | solofight | Ok frm the discussion i understand that i definitely need a hw to help... there are no emulators/simulators to do this job ? |
| 17:44.47 | solofight | is looking at scratchbox documentation |
| 17:45.11 | solofight | freemangordon: http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/docbook/tutorial.html gives me 404 |
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| 17:53.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: the scratchbox docs are sparse and pretty outdated, when available at all. You don't need them however. Just follow the maemo SDK instructions |
| 17:54.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb |
| 17:54.37 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead1440 |
| 17:55.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | we inherited that stuff when it was about to go down completely, and it seems what we inherited is missing a few bits on docs and mailinglists etc |
| 17:57.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just had the strange idea to look at #jollamobile chanlog, and what is first I see? -> |
| 17:57.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2013-12-31T05:40:46 <tehdely> so, i have unboxed my jolla and |
| 17:57.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2013-12-31T05:40:49 <tehdely> only 900/2100 umts? |
| 17:57.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2013-12-31T05:41:06 <tehdely> being in the US, this means i'll be stuck on a (shrinking, soon to be decommissioned) EDGE network |
| 17:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly think it needs to invent the Murphy cup in Platinum to award it to Jolla |
| 18:00.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | hope they won't get nominated for the Darwin Award |
| 18:01.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's remarkable anyway how almost 100% of all their problems are directly or indirectly related to (lack of, or poor) communication |
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| 18:27.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | sighs while watching awesome stuff like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRil6iP4GXw |
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| 20:29.59 | {lol} | I must check something |
| 20:30.23 | zammy | lol |
| 20:31.05 | Ashley` | meow |
| 20:31.08 | Ashley` | :3 |
| 20:31.32 | {lol} | thank you |
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| 21:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: talk to lol |
| 21:05.45 | infobot | ACTION chatters endlessly to to lol |
| 21:06.21 | jaska | infobot: talk the hand |
| 21:06.22 | infobot | ACTION chatters endlessly to the hand |
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