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| 13:53.38 | zGrr | moin :) |
| 13:58.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | moin |
| 13:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL at self-made psychologists that tell me what I think/thought so I finally get to know about the weird evil mess in my own brain |
| 13:59.57 | RST38h | mourning, Doc |
| 14:00.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi RST38h |
| 14:00.25 | RST38h | Just start every conversation with "What are you wearing today?" |
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| 14:02.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just dunno what to answer to bullshit like >>Community Council so you cover yourself linking to fmg saying it (hey I didn't say it, just linking *wink wink*)?<< |
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| 15:15.41 | solofight | earlier i installed the usb host mode on my n900 and then i was not able to use my camera... when ever i opened camera it said operation failed or device not available...... so i uninstalled the usb host mode and restarted |
| 15:15.58 | solofight | now my deivce keeps rebooting and i see the nokia logo again ang again and again |
| 15:16.13 | solofight | what do i do now ? how do i recover ? |
| 15:16.17 | solofight | kindly help .. |
| 15:16.29 | solofight | tomorrow is a big day for me and i need my mobile |
| 15:20.03 | solofight | guys ! ? |
| 15:23.41 | solofight | somebody please help me |
| 15:23.53 | solofight | is reflashing the device only way to us emy device again ? |
| 15:29.33 | NIN101 | could this be bootloop? |
| 15:29.39 | NIN101 | ~bootloop |
| 15:29.40 | infobot | bootloop is probably when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. |
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| 15:36.35 | solofight | NIN101: so reflashing is th eonly option ? cant we reconstruct the filesystem ? |
| 15:36.42 | solofight | will i loose all data inside my mobile ? |
| 15:36.49 | solofight | NIN101: thanks for answering first of all |
| 15:37.48 | solofight | i read this manual http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/Help-for-N900-that-randomly-reboot-and-that-have-stopped-booting/m-p/593949 |
| 15:38.03 | solofight | and the download flasher link it says gives me a 404 |
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| 15:39.36 | NIN101 | ~flashing |
| 15:39.36 | infobot | i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:41.18 | NIN101 | assuming the fs is broken etc., reconstructing it would be quite difficult I assume. I would simply reflash. I am not sure whether you lose your phonebook, sms database etc., but MyDocs remains untouched. |
| 15:43.15 | solofight | NIN101: is this the correct video to follow for flashing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1zvRjL-2cM |
| 15:43.23 | solofight | ? |
| 15:43.43 | NIN101 | I don't know, I would read this http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware from start to end. |
| 15:44.32 | solofight | got two video links from that page and didnt know which one to follow |
| 15:45.15 | solofight | similarly thre are two options under n900 in that pag....one is FIASCo which flashes and loads the rootfs alone and another says it flashes all 32 GB |
| 15:45.34 | solofight | so i need to follow the FIASCO - is my understanding right ? |
| 15:45.45 | solofight | just want to be sure before doing something wrong - sorry of the question is too noobish |
| 15:45.45 | solofight | NIN101: ^ |
| 15:46.47 | NIN101 | yes, I would give rootfs/FIASCO a try. |
| 15:51.33 | solofight | NIN101: in the link you gave the download link for flasher gives me 404 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 15:51.56 | solofight | NIN101: you mean, i need to go for FIASCO because i need to retain the myDocs - right ? |
| 15:54.20 | NIN101 | I said it would be very wise to read the wiki article from start to end, because I am not too familiar with this topic. There is also a link to a mirror mentioned in the article: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ :-). FIASCO because we are assuming a problem with your rootfs, and so there is no point in flashing EMMC or something. |
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| 15:58.01 | solofight | NIN101: oh ok |
| 15:58.08 | solofight | thank you |
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| 17:25.22 | SAiF | muhahahaha |
| 17:26.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: you uninstalled powerkernel |
| 17:26.40 | kerio | aka no modules |
| 17:27.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: I'm really surprised that nobody gave proper advice to just reflash powerkernel |
| 17:27.57 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: doesn't help |
| 17:28.01 | kerio | power kerner is still flashed |
| 17:28.06 | kerio | what's he missing are the modules |
| 17:28.13 | kerio | he could try to flash omap |
| 17:28.24 | kerio | if the omap modules are still there |
| 17:28.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | the less I understand why NIN101 didn't suggest ~rescueos |
| 17:28.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | or flash the default kernel, yes |
| 17:29.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | or jusr use rescueos to see what modules are actually there, maybe install some sane modules, and then flash the matching kernel |
| 17:29.36 | kerio | using rescueos isn't exactly easy though |
| 17:29.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 17:30.10 | kerio | i mean, if you don't have a firm-ish grasp on what's going on |
| 17:30.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | first and foremost I wonder why camera failed after flashing powerkernel |
| 17:30.24 | NIN101 | rescueOS is suggested by the ~bootloop fuctinfo already. I also didn't know that powerkernel got uninstalled. |
| 17:30.34 | NIN101 | s/fuctinfo/factinfo |
| 17:31.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't the proper camera drivers get insatlled with powerkernel? |
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| 17:32.14 | kerio | it should |
| 17:32.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, there been this nasty dependency hell that requires either brute force, or uninstalling and reinstalling all camera apps that have a dependency to the drivers |
| 17:33.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I really wonder if for this case the brute force (aka `mv`) variant wouldn't yield better UX |
| 17:34.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, poor solofight |
| 17:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | he just installed hostmode and got thoroughly screwed |
| 17:35.36 | SAiF | and I wonder who maintains host mode |
| 17:35.46 | kerio | it's a kernel thing |
| 17:35.49 | kerio | so pali/fmg? |
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| 17:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's the question |
| 17:36.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | *my* hostmode seems been stable since years |
| 17:36.24 | kerio | my hostmode works |
| 17:36.28 | freemangordon | what hostmode? |
| 17:36.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | "my" as in "H-E-N" |
| 17:36.54 | kerio | "my" as in "Pali's" |
| 17:37.02 | freemangordon | yep, but what hostmode did he installed? |
| 17:37.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | who knows |
| 17:37.11 | kerio | it's something he installed, so i assume it's H-E-N |
| 17:37.13 | freemangordon | *install |
| 17:37.25 | freemangordon | afaik h-e-n is maintained by mag |
| 17:37.27 | kerio | solofight: are you still around? |
| 17:37.35 | SAiF | lol |
| 17:37.54 | freemangordon | and is pretty much obsoleted by pali's HM |
| 17:37.59 | freemangordon | afaik |
| 17:38.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: basically yes, if h-e-n would need maintenance then that's mag |
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| 17:38.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't agree on the "obsolete" |
| 17:38.44 | kerio | also, was he talking about camera-ui or about fcam? |
| 17:38.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | pali's hm is based on pali's bme |
| 17:39.01 | kerio | well, not really |
| 17:39.08 | freemangordon | i suspect it is fcam |
| 17:39.18 | kerio | if it's fcam you need to reinstall fcamera-drivers |
| 17:39.18 | freemangordon | also: " so i uninstalled the usb host mode and restarted" |
| 17:39.22 | kerio | or whatever the package is called |
| 17:39.44 | freemangordon | that shouldn't happen |
| 17:39.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless pali's hostmode |
| 17:40.07 | freemangordon | is HAM doing autoremove? |
| 17:40.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | which probably uninstalls the whole kernel ;-P |
| 17:40.22 | freemangordon | yep, but why? |
| 17:40.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 17:40.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask pali |
| 17:40.44 | freemangordon | hmm, it could be that KP was puled as a dependency |
| 17:40.49 | freemangordon | *pulled |
| 17:40.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 17:40.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 17:40.53 | kerio | that's why you don't put kernel dependencies in dpkg |
| 17:41.06 | kerio | especially when dpkg can't exactly affect the kernel itself |
| 17:41.17 | freemangordon | kerio: there is kernel-feature... dependency only, afaik |
| 17:41.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why H-E-N afaik doesn't have such dependency and rather does check for a kernel property and even a runtime flag |
| 17:42.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel feature that is |
| 17:42.52 | freemangordon | hmm, I guess KP can check in pre-remove script and fail to uninstall if it is the currently flashed kernel |
| 17:43.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I bet o´pali's hostmode is depending on pali's bme for boost |
| 17:43.17 | freemangordon | iirc that is not the case |
| 17:43.40 | freemangordon | I have it installed, but no BME replacement on my "production" device |
| 17:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | so how does it work at all? |
| 17:44.01 | freemangordon | no idea :D |
| 17:44.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 17:44.14 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: not quite BME replacement |
| 17:44.19 | kerio | just the bq24k module iirc |
| 17:44.22 | freemangordon | I trust Pali. Most of the time :D |
| 17:44.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | bq24k replacement IS bme |
| 17:44.40 | kerio | nope |
| 17:44.50 | freemangordon | kerio: yes |
| 17:44.53 | kerio | bme replacement is the HAL module and the temp thing |
| 17:45.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't run bme with a bq24150 module loaded |
| 17:45.08 | freemangordon | kerio: no, it is ^^^ AND kernel modules |
| 17:45.20 | kerio | well yeah, but they're preinstalled with kernel-power |
| 17:45.24 | kerio | just not loaded |
| 17:45.26 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 17:45.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's fubar |
| 17:47.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | KP shouldn't bring modules into system that cause catastrophic system failure (by causing bme to segfault and cause reboot) when loaded |
| 17:48.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | no matter if loaded by default or not |
| 17:48.43 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you can't modprobe bq modules |
| 17:48.51 | freemangordon | they are disabled |
| 17:49.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | then why the heck they are there? |
| 17:49.20 | freemangordon | you can insmod them ;) |
| 17:49.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | and how the heck is pali's hostmode using them nevertheless? |
| 17:49.42 | kerio | stop bme && insmod |
| 17:49.43 | freemangordon | toldya NFC |
| 17:49.53 | kerio | if needed |
| 17:49.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | KP shouldn't bring modules into system that cause catastrophic system failure (by causing bme to segfault and cause reboot) when loaded |
| 17:50.18 | freemangordon | I wouldn't say a reboot is "catastrophic system failure" |
| 17:50.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | it definitely is |
| 17:50.43 | freemangordon | then we should remove "reboot" command either |
| 17:50.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | BS |
| 17:51.32 | freemangordon | when you insmod a module as root, it is your responcibility to RTFM |
| 17:51.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 17:52.03 | kerio | KP shouldn't bring modules into system that cause catastrophic system failure like kexec |
| 17:52.13 | kerio | that stuff stops the whole kernel! |
| 17:52.18 | freemangordon | :D |
| 17:52.29 | freemangordon | and actually doesn;t work |
| 17:52.32 | freemangordon | afaik |
| 17:52.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | go find some other fool to troll |
| 17:52.43 | kerio | you're trolling us doc |
| 17:52.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | FU! |
| 17:53.12 | kerio | you're actually claiming that it's better for some modules that *are part of the kernel tree* to be shipped separately |
| 17:53.13 | freemangordon | how nice :( |
| 17:53.29 | kerio | with all the issues that come from having to keep the versions in check |
| 17:53.38 | kerio | rather than keep them disabled |
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| 17:54.16 | kerio | for... what? |
| 17:54.52 | kerio | preventing people from making bme crash by doing "insmod bq24k.ko" as root? |
| 17:55.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | go fix that hostmode shit! |
| 17:55.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | or I kick it form repo |
| 17:55.35 | kerio | if it's pali's hostmode, it's not in the repos |
| 17:55.41 | kerio | if it's pali's bme, it's not in the repos |
| 17:56.04 | kerio | actually no, i think pali's usbmode is in the repos |
| 17:56.24 | kerio | eyup, extras-devel |
| 17:56.27 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you *CANNOT* kick packages from repos by your liking |
| 17:56.36 | freemangordon | esp when it comes to extras-devel |
| 17:56.39 | kerio | the same place that holds speedpatch |
| 17:57.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | a package that kills system on uninstall qualifies for kick even from extras-devel |
| 17:57.31 | freemangordon | no |
| 17:57.40 | freemangordon | that is not correct |
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| 17:58.01 | freemangordon | extras-devel is the place that holds all kind of packages |
| 17:58.07 | cehteh | i'd suggest some 'archived' or 'obsolete' repo to quarantine packages which seen to be not needed anymore |
| 17:58.25 | kerio | cehteh: how do you figure out what's old, tho? |
| 17:58.37 | cehteh | just ask the Doc :) |
| 17:58.43 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 17:59.24 | freemangordon | so, we move those from extras-devel straight to the trash can? |
| 17:59.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I gonna +q * when you try to continue trolling this chan and me further |
| 17:59.48 | cehteh | well for example, all XBMC remotes packages dont work with current XBMC iirc, some other packages never got fully functional or are replaced by better stuff *AND* are abadoned |
| 18:00.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, maemo is not your dandbox to ruin user experience |
| 18:00.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | sandbox even |
| 18:01.09 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: dammit, the exact purpose of extras-devel it to hold "dangerous" packages, and it's been like that for ages. |
| 18:01.29 | freemangordon | or at least since I have n900 |
| 18:01.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | dammit, do you think solofight gives a flying F? |
| 18:01.33 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer05: the problem is that there are both cases that may ruin user experience .. presence of a ugly package is as bad as removing a package just a few people find useful |
| 18:02.12 | cehteh | and abadoned packages w/o a maintainer get bitrot too |
| 18:02.23 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: smile, we have a new -testing :) |
| 18:02.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a clear rule that dangerous packages get removed from extras repos when they do instant damage |
| 18:02.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | from ALL repos |
| 18:03.02 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer05: 'not working' anymore isnt dangerous, but still ruins the user experience |
| 18:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | rendering system broken fubar on uninstall qualifies for this classification |
| 18:03.55 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I am not arguing there is not problem with Pali's hostmode package |
| 18:04.11 | freemangordon | *no |
| 18:04.11 | cehteh | anyway .. my n900 is still broken, i dont have the patience to try another delicate repair attempt yet .. |
| 18:05.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: I'm not talking about "ugly package", I'm talking about a package that nukes your device to the point where reflash needed, when uninstalling the package |
| 18:05.31 | kerio | you mean like kernel-power? |
| 18:05.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's about as evil as a package that nukes your system on install |
| 18:05.34 | SAiF | so you guess its palis hostmode, since palis not around.. |
| 18:05.46 | SAiF | dont shoot. |
| 18:05.47 | freemangordon | SAiF: no |
| 18:05.52 | SAiF | just kidding |
| 18:05.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: stop trolling! last warning |
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| 18:06.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | KP has a clear instruction that you CANNOT uninstall kernels |
| 18:06.13 | freemangordon | we guess it is as it pulls KP as a dependency |
| 18:06.26 | freemangordon | SAiF: ^^^ |
| 18:06.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I WILL shoot on next kidding, I'm pissed |
| 18:07.10 | freemangordon | kerio: actually this IS a problem in KP |
| 18:07.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | poor fella solofight has a broken system, needs his device tomorrow and you are joking |
| 18:07.42 | kerio | solofight left, wtf are we supposed to do |
| 18:07.45 | freemangordon | kerio: it shouldn't allow to be uninstalled |
| 18:07.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | he left? |
| 18:08.01 | SAiF | no. away |
| 18:08.02 | kerio | he's afk, i assume |
| 18:08.16 | solofight | kerio: DocScrutinizer05 : yes am here |
| 18:08.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | you are assuming, OH GREAT |
| 18:08.27 | kerio | yay |
| 18:08.30 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: comeon |
| 18:08.32 | kerio | solofight: what hostmode did you install? |
| 18:08.39 | thedead1440 | there is nothing better to watch on #maemo than an angry doc in full flow :D |
| 18:08.40 | solofight | so you guys suggest i install some modules "power kernel" and try rebooting again ? |
| 18:08.41 | SAiF | the epic question |
| 18:08.43 | solofight | or is flashing the only way ? |
| 18:09.05 | freemangordon | solofight: you may try to flash the omap kernel |
| 18:09.13 | freemangordon | only the kernel |
| 18:09.44 | freemangordon | solofight: do you have flasher and FIASKO downloaded? |
| 18:10.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: please first answer a few questions so we can suggest the right means to help you out |
| 18:10.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | what exactly did you install? |
| 18:11.20 | solofight | kerio: i installed both "h-e-n" and "host mode gui" if i remember right |
| 18:11.48 | solofight | first hen thinking that it will give me GUI to switch, understood its console based and then installed the host mode gui |
| 18:11.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | H-E-N is safe |
| 18:12.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's not console based |
| 18:12.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | hostmode gui though seems to be buggy |
| 18:12.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly that's pali's hostmode |
| 18:12.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it somehow ruined your system |
| 18:13.02 | freemangordon | solofight: do you have extras-devel repo enabled? |
| 18:13.06 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: oh ! after installing hen i saw a nokia power kernel icon on the menu -- which when clicked gives me some warning even before the app starts so i always quit without touching anything |
| 18:13.20 | solofight | freemangordon: i think so |
| 18:14.02 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: seems h-e-n pulls KP too |
| 18:14.10 | solofight | freemangordon: this gives me 404 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 18:14.15 | solofight | so going for the mirror now |
| 18:14.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: H-E-N depends on a hostmode enabled kernel, but it doesn't autoinstall such kernel but simply tells you to do that under your control |
| 18:14.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 18:14.32 | solofight | oh |
| 18:14.38 | freemangordon | solofight: use the alternative site |
| 18:15.06 | freemangordon | ~flashing |
| 18:15.07 | infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 18:15.57 | solofight | holey moly - there are so many versions ! http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ which one should i download ? back of the display it says Made in finland and the phone is purchased in Australia i think |
| 18:16.01 | solofight | i am the second owner |
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| 18:16.29 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hostmode gui is not pali's hostmode |
| 18:16.31 | SAiF | Which os you use on PC |
| 18:16.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: get global |
| 18:16.38 | ShadowJK | global, not emmc, newest date |
| 18:16.50 | kerio | hostmode-gui is H-E-N |
| 18:16.51 | solofight | SAiF: win7 |
| 18:16.57 | SAiF | nm |
| 18:16.58 | freemangordon | oh |
| 18:17.14 | freemangordon | solofight: 64 bit? |
| 18:17.21 | solofight | yes |
| 18:17.38 | merlin1991 | solofight: GLOBAL release should always work |
| 18:18.00 | freemangordon | merlin1991: win7 64bit, does flasher work? |
| 18:18.11 | merlin1991 | yes if you follow the hacks on the wiki |
| 18:18.12 | SAiF | you hve to use workaround |
| 18:18.17 | freemangordon | ok |
| 18:18.32 | merlin1991 | i.e the libusb in the directory works great |
| 18:18.35 | solofight | So il download the one with the notes "Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900" - is that correct ? |
| 18:18.40 | freemangordon | yes |
| 18:19.12 | solofight | OMG its 191 MB |
| 18:19.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | or get pr131 right away |
| 18:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr131 |
| 18:19.26 | infobot | from memory, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 18:19.39 | kerio | fwiw downloading 191MB to flash just the kernel is silly |
| 18:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | rrrright |
| 18:19.56 | kerio | he could find a place to download just that first |
| 18:19.59 | kerio | maybe that'll work |
| 18:19.59 | solofight | ETA is 7 hours with my shitty internet con :( |
| 18:20.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | but he will prolly flash anyway |
| 18:20.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the end |
| 18:20.20 | freemangordon | kerio: and how's he supposed to unpack a deb on win7? |
| 18:20.28 | SAiF | huh? |
| 18:20.31 | SAiF | the flasher |
| 18:20.43 | solofight | its downloading a .bin file |
| 18:20.44 | Sicelo | 7-zip on win unpacks debs |
| 18:20.47 | solofight | is that ok ? |
| 18:20.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 18:21.01 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: yes for me ? |
| 18:21.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 18:21.17 | kerio | freemangordon: peazip? |
| 18:21.51 | freemangordon | Sicelo: I know, but the point is that solofight doesn;t seem experienced enough with debs and such to torture him :) |
| 18:22.01 | SAiF | why do you want to unpack it/ |
| 18:22.16 | freemangordon | SAiF: do get the kernel to be flashed |
| 18:22.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | to flash --kernel-only |
| 18:22.28 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 18:22.33 | SAiF | o.O |
| 18:22.45 | kerio | http://acehack.de/~kerio/zImage-2.6.28-omap1 btw |
| 18:22.56 | freemangordon | kerio: good boy :) |
| 18:22.57 | SAiF | gonna be a long night then. |
| 18:22.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 18:23.04 | kerio | alternatively i can grab the fiasco image |
| 18:23.10 | SAiF | Good luck solofight |
| 18:23.29 | freemangordon | solofight: download what kerio posted |
| 18:23.32 | kerio | don't |
| 18:23.39 | freemangordon | kerio: hmm? |
| 18:23.41 | kerio | download http://acehack.de/~kerio/zImage-2.6.28-20103103%2b0m5.fiasco |
| 18:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | wut? |
| 18:23.56 | freemangordon | kerio: anyway |
| 18:23.57 | kerio | and just flash dat shit |
| 18:24.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you made a kernel-only fiasco? |
| 18:24.26 | kerio | it's the one in the `kernel` package |
| 18:24.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 18:24.49 | kerio | on-device kernel updates are shipped via fiasco and flashed via flasher/softupd |
| 18:25.00 | kerio | the non-fiasco images are just for uboot, pretty much |
| 18:25.20 | solofight | SAiF: downloading both firmware and what kiero posted |
| 18:25.23 | freemangordon | kerio: actually you can flash zimage |
| 18:25.29 | kerio | yeah |
| 18:25.41 | kerio | but flashing a fiasco is similar to flashing the whole firmware |
| 18:25.43 | freemangordon | solofight: download what kerio posted (the second one), |
| 18:25.50 | solofight | kerio: should i download the first link you agve or the latest ? |
| 18:25.51 | freemangordon | kerio: :nod: |
| 18:25.54 | solofight | ok |
| 18:26.01 | kerio | solofight: it's irrelevant, the first you flash with -k, the second you flash with -F |
| 18:26.38 | solofight | oh ok |
| 18:26.54 | solofight | which one should i download in this http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ |
| 18:26.56 | solofight | ? |
| 18:27.03 | kerio | to be completely fair you shouldn't download either, you can't know that i didn't put a rootkit or something in there ;) |
| 18:27.10 | solofight | WinFlasher_3.12.1.exe ?? |
| 18:27.17 | freemangordon | sono: no |
| 18:27.18 | solofight | that one ? |
| 18:27.38 | kerio | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe |
| 18:27.39 | solofight | kerio: root kits work on windows 7 ?? |
| 18:27.42 | freemangordon | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe |
| 18:27.47 | kerio | solofight: no, for your n900 |
| 18:27.48 | SAiF | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2 |
| 18:27.52 | kerio | ...also, sure, why not? |
| 18:28.03 | kerio | load a malicious driver, it's pretty much the same thing as loading a rootkit on linux |
| 18:28.32 | solofight | oh |
| 18:28.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I don't think solofight has a sense for this sort of jokes |
| 18:30.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: you download http://acehack.de/~kerio/zImage-2.6.28-20103103%2b0m5.fiasco or http://acehack.de/~kerio/zImage-2.6.28-omap1 whatever you already started. Same time you continue downloading that 191MB fiasco file |
| 18:30.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and flasher-3.5 for your flavor of PC OS |
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| 18:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | the acehack.de stuff shall be in the 191MB fiasco as well, but we want to take a shortcut that doesn't take 7h for you to continue |
| 18:32.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | later on when the 191MB fiasco DL finsihes, you can compare if it has same kernel as the acehack.de stuff |
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| 18:32.25 | solofight | have downloaded zImage-2.6.28-20103103+0m5.fiasco |
| 18:32.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | great |
| 18:32.36 | solofight | downloading the maemo-flasher and the 191 mb file |
| 18:32.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 18:32.59 | kerio | flasher-3.5.exe -F that/zImage.fiasco -f -R |
| 18:33.29 | solofight | kerio: where should i type that ? |
| 18:33.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | first check the USB stuff |
| 18:33.40 | SAiF | and this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 |
| 18:33.58 | kerio | oh right, windows x64 |
| 18:34.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | see what SAiF provided |
| 18:36.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds sane to a windows noob like me |
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| 18:37.08 | solofight | so i need to first do this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 |
| 18:37.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: so you also need to download that http://sourceforge.net/projects/libusb-win32/ stuff as of http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 |
| 18:37.23 | solofight | then do this http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Windows |
| 18:37.30 | solofight | is it right > |
| 18:37.33 | solofight | ? |
| 18:37.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's needed to make flasher-3.5 work on 64bit win |
| 18:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 18:38.00 | solofight | but the libusb is avail only for 32 bit ? |
| 18:38.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, after you got http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 done, wait for instructions from kerio or freemangordon |
| 18:38.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: no, that is a 32bit lib for 64bit win |
| 18:38.42 | SAiF | solofight, its the name |
| 18:38.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | compatibility |
| 18:38.52 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I can't help much with win7, I refuse to touch that sh*t :D |
| 18:39.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | same here |
| 18:39.16 | freemangordon | despite I am on still XP |
| 18:39.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | the flasher works the same though, afaik |
| 18:39.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: have a look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=849980#post849980 |
| 18:39.56 | freemangordon | ok |
| 18:40.36 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: sounds sane |
| 18:40.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | NFC about "cmd, run as admin" shit |
| 18:41.03 | freemangordon | right-click, "run as" I guess |
| 18:41.07 | SAiF | yes |
| 18:41.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sth like that |
| 18:41.37 | freemangordon | though I am not sure there is "administrator" account in win7 |
| 18:41.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | UAE? |
| 18:41.59 | freemangordon | so I have NFC what "admin" user is supposed to mean |
| 18:42.05 | freemangordon | ~uae |
| 18:42.05 | infobot | Software emulation of the hardware of theCommodore Amiga 500/1000/2000. URL: http://www.freiburg.linux.de/~uae/ |
| 18:42.11 | freemangordon | hmm? |
| 18:42.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, dunno |
| 18:42.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | with win7 M$ invented that "everybody is admin, everybody needs to answer yes" requester stuff |
| 18:42.54 | Sicelo | UAC |
| 18:43.13 | solofight | kerio: is it possible for you to list the instructions that i need to follow in order please ? the 191 mb file is giving me several hours to download... |
| 18:43.22 | kerio | flasher-3.5.exe -F zImage.fiasco -f -R |
| 18:43.31 | kerio | plug the turned-off n900 in |
| 18:43.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: that's not "in order" |
| 18:43.37 | kerio | while holding "u" on the keyboard |
| 18:43.43 | kerio | why not? |
| 18:43.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: he first needs to open a dosbox |
| 18:44.00 | kerio | oh god D: |
| 18:44.04 | kerio | win+r `cmd` |
| 18:44.05 | SAiF | open the door, |
| 18:44.11 | kerio | then... |
| 18:44.14 | kerio | idk, is flasher in the path? |
| 18:44.16 | freemangordon | kerio: yep, and fiasko image name you gave is wrong. We talk windoze user here ;) |
| 18:44.33 | SAiF | get in the car.. |
| 18:44.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: lease stop it |
| 18:44.46 | SAiF | ok |
| 18:44.54 | kerio | so |
| 18:44.58 | kerio | where's flasher-3.5.exe usually installed? |
| 18:45.11 | SAiF | it will be asked while nstalling |
| 18:45.15 | freemangordon | under XP it is in Start Menu->Programs->Maemo->Maemo Flasher 3.5 |
| 18:45.25 | solofight | freemangordon: yeah, you were saying a name wirh ARM in it |
| 18:45.36 | SAiF | mostly in program files64 i guess |
| 18:45.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | PLEASE!!! don't tell solofight to start flasher-3.5 from menu! |
| 18:46.02 | freemangordon | it MUST start it from there |
| 18:46.04 | freemangordon | *he |
| 18:46.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 18:46.17 | freemangordon | as it sets up the environment for the flasher |
| 18:46.37 | freemangordon | and opens a cmd promt in the correct directory |
| 18:46.42 | kerio | really? :O |
| 18:46.51 | freemangordon | really |
| 18:47.05 | Sicelo | is also surprised.. |
| 18:47.06 | SAiF | yes. thats correct. |
| 18:47.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik it also closes that cmd promt immediately after flasher quits |
| 18:47.15 | freemangordon | you don;t have %path% to the flasher executable |
| 18:47.25 | freemangordon | no, it opens cmd.exe |
| 18:47.38 | freemangordon | you have to type flasher3.5 by hand :) |
| 18:47.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 18:47.52 | solofight | is dozing off... |
| 18:48.20 | Sicelo | i don't recall ever seeing Maemo on XP start menu.. then again, ran flasher on windows only once |
| 18:48.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | so... solofight still waiting what to do |
| 18:48.35 | solofight | will set an alarm after the download gets over, will come here to read the instructions and perform the same |
| 18:48.38 | solofight | is that ok ? |
| 18:48.44 | kerio | solofight: wait, have you downloaded the first file? |
| 18:48.47 | kerio | we can save your n900 right now |
| 18:48.53 | kerio | i mean, try |
| 18:49.05 | solofight | kerio: currently the 191mb file is going on, remaining two is over |
| 18:49.13 | freemangordon | soltys: pause that big one |
| 18:49.19 | freemangordon | oops |
| 18:49.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | why pause it? |
| 18:49.31 | kerio | nah, keep it going if this fails |
| 18:49.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 18:49.42 | freemangordon | I got it wrong :) |
| 18:49.44 | kerio | *in case this fails |
| 18:50.03 | freemangordon | solofight: did you do the instructions here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=849980#post849980 ? |
| 18:50.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | please explain solofight what to do next |
| 18:50.42 | freemangordon | solofight: did you install the flasher? |
| 18:50.55 | solofight | freemangordon: on it now |
| 18:51.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 18:51.03 | freemangordon | flasher? |
| 18:51.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | he's about to do the http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=849980#post849980 |
| 18:51.29 | freemangordon | ok |
| 18:51.35 | solofight | and by the way looks like i already have downloaded this libusb-win32-src-0.1.12.1.tar.gz |
| 18:51.43 | solofight | is this something of interest to us ? |
| 18:51.54 | SAiF | .tar.gz? |
| 18:52.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, you need that for http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=849980#post849980 |
| 18:52.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops |
| 18:52.21 | solofight | ok |
| 18:52.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno about tar.gz |
| 18:52.33 | freemangordon | hmm, it says "zip" in the post |
| 18:52.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
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| 18:52.48 | SAiF | its a zip |
| 18:53.04 | Sicelo | i think he downloaded source files.. :-/ |
| 18:53.09 | freemangordon | yeah :( |
| 18:53.17 | freemangordon | solofight: get this http://sourceforge.net/projects/libusb-win32/files/latest/download |
| 18:54.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | what freemangordon said |
| 18:54.30 | freemangordon | solofight: and extract it somewhere on your PC |
| 18:55.14 | solofight | when i do the 3rd step, i see the nokia logo with the backlight and the usb icon on the top right - is it correct ? |
| 18:55.20 | freemangordon | yes |
| 18:55.22 | solofight | and nothing happens - i am waiting |
| 18:55.25 | freemangordon | yes |
| 18:55.37 | freemangordon | get the ^^^ zip and extract it somewhere |
| 18:56.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has the inf-wizard.exe |
| 18:56.39 | freemangordon | yep |
| 18:57.15 | solofight | am downloading the libusb .zip package now |
| 18:57.30 | solofight | and by the way its very bad that the device will not charge in this stage ! |
| 18:57.45 | solofight | i dont have anybody else here who owns a n900 |
| 18:57.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | in bin\inf-wizard.exe |
| 18:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: then don't operate it too long in that state |
| 18:59.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the battery is compatible with a number of other phones, e.g. nokia 5800 IIRC |
| 18:59.12 | Sicelo | solofight: N900 uses same battery as a couple of other Nokia |
| 18:59.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-P |
| 18:59.30 | SAiF | by the way, One question solofight: have you installed Nokia PC suite o this machne? |
| 18:59.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | faster ;-) |
| 18:59.45 | Sicelo | :p |
| 19:00.27 | solofight | it gave me installation successfull as per this link http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 |
| 19:00.30 | solofight | now what ? |
| 19:00.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | great! |
| 19:00.48 | solofight | SAiF: yes |
| 19:00.50 | freemangordon | solofight: what is that, inf-wizard.exe? |
| 19:00.53 | SAiF | oops |
| 19:01.01 | solofight | freemangordon: yes |
| 19:01.14 | freemangordon | solofight: follow the next steps then |
| 19:01.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: :nod: |
| 19:01.21 | SAiF | wait |
| 19:01.31 | solofight | next step is this http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Windows ??? |
| 19:01.39 | freemangordon | "Check Windows Device Manager for "libusb-win32 devices", expand and verify "Nokia N900 (Update Mode)" can be found." |
| 19:01.46 | freemangordon | is it there? |
| 19:02.04 | solofight | yes |
| 19:02.06 | freemangordon | ok |
| 19:02.11 | freemangordon | now go to: |
| 19:02.14 | SAiF | IIRC you have to stop one service 'which I dont remember' for the flashing to be succesful. |
| 19:02.18 | SAiF | I may be wrong |
| 19:02.28 | SAiF | you may continue freemangordon |
| 19:02.32 | freemangordon | solofight: "Start Menu->Programs->Maemo->Maemo Flasher 3.5" |
| 19:02.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, some stuff of nokia suite is conflicting |
| 19:02.49 | solofight | freemangordon: yes |
| 19:02.50 | solofight | done |
| 19:02.53 | freemangordon | and start "Maemo Flasher 3.5" |
| 19:03.08 | freemangordon | you should have a command prompt after that |
| 19:03.12 | solofight | freemangordon: i have a dos window like screen infront of me now |
| 19:03.18 | freemangordon | great! |
| 19:03.32 | solofight | it is inside the flasher-3.5 directory |
| 19:03.54 | freemangordon | solofight: no, from windows explorer, copy the .fiasco file to that directory |
| 19:03.55 | solofight | can i pull the battery from the phone to save power now or should it stay on ? |
| 19:03.59 | freemangordon | don;t |
| 19:04.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sure |
| 19:04.04 | freemangordon | no, |
| 19:04.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, |
| 19:04.11 | freemangordon | we are 1 step away from flashing |
| 19:04.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, then not |
| 19:04.29 | freemangordon | solofight: from windows explorer, copy the .fiasco file to that directory |
| 19:04.34 | freemangordon | and run: |
| 19:04.47 | freemangordon | "flasher-3.5.exe -f -F zImage-2.6.28-20103103+0m5.fiasco -R" |
| 19:04.52 | freemangordon | without quotes |
| 19:04.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: he can remove battery during doing that |
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| 19:05.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | instead of watzching phone bootloop |
| 19:05.20 | freemangordon | it is in update mode |
| 19:05.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | (during copying that is) |
| 19:05.28 | freemangordon | it is not bootlooping |
| 19:05.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I's first test if flasher works at all |
| 19:06.12 | freemangordon | stop it, please |
| 19:06.17 | solofight | freemangordon: it says flashing done |
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| 19:06.24 | SAiF | o.O |
| 19:06.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow! :-) |
| 19:06.26 | freemangordon | he has nokia n900 update mode in device manager |
| 19:06.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 19:06.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | missed that |
| 19:06.39 | kerio | solofight: it should be booting right now |
| 19:06.40 | freemangordon | solofight: did it reboot? |
| 19:06.50 | solofight | yes and now i see the charging led glowing |
| 19:06.52 | freemangordon | the device that is |
| 19:06.58 | freemangordon | ok |
| 19:06.59 | kerio | glowing or pulsating? |
| 19:07.00 | solofight | should is try and start the device nwo ? |
| 19:07.02 | solofight | now* |
| 19:07.08 | solofight | pulsating |
| 19:07.10 | freemangordon | it should be booting right noe |
| 19:07.13 | freemangordon | *now |
| 19:07.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | let it sit like this |
| 19:07.17 | kerio | ok, it's saved |
| 19:07.19 | solofight | yellow - which means its charging right ? |
| 19:07.20 | kerio | ish |
| 19:07.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 19:07.24 | kerio | let it wait a bit |
| 19:07.28 | kerio | then turn it on |
| 19:07.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait til LED green |
| 19:07.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | may take an hour |
| 19:07.43 | freemangordon | from NOLO? |
| 19:07.52 | kerio | freemangordon: he said pulsating |
| 19:07.54 | kerio | so bme |
| 19:07.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 19:08.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | device already in act_dead |
| 19:08.14 | freemangordon | solofight: oh, wait, connect it to wall charger |
| 19:08.28 | solofight | ok i pressed the power button and its booting now.... i see the nokia hands logo and sound |
| 19:08.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | or that |
| 19:08.30 | freemangordon | solofight: you're saved :) |
| 19:08.31 | kerio | "let it sit" = "ok i pressed the power button" |
| 19:08.32 | solofight | now i see the datee and time setting screen |
| 19:08.33 | SAiF | great |
| 19:08.34 | kerio | oh you |
| 19:08.51 | solofight | kerio: i pressed it before i read your message - sorry |
| 19:08.53 | freemangordon | kerio: come on, windows user, what do you expect :P |
| 19:09.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: no problem |
| 19:09.04 | freemangordon | same like me |
| 19:09.06 | solofight | god damn it - the device is on :D |
| 19:09.25 | Sicelo | why should god damn it? :p |
| 19:09.52 | solofight | now its asking me pc suite or mass storage - if i give pc suite, then i can sync all my data back to the device right ? |
| 19:09.55 | SAiF | well truly that was quicker than i thought. |
| 19:09.55 | solofight | or its already there ? |
| 19:10.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine. Seems I can go for dinner now |
| 19:10.03 | freemangordon | it is there |
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| 19:10.30 | freemangordon | solofight: nothing is lost on your device |
| 19:10.30 | Sicelo | nothing was lost solofight :) |
| 19:10.37 | solofight | wow, even the camera works now |
| 19:10.43 | freemangordon | solofight: even the camera should beworking |
| 19:10.44 | solofight | you guys are awesome..... |
| 19:10.55 | solofight | thank you all so very much |
| 19:10.56 | freemangordon | solofight: no, go to HAM... |
| 19:11.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: you could install powerkernel and get the cameradrivers working as well |
| 19:11.19 | solofight | kerio: freemangordon DocScrutinizer05 SAiF: you guys made my day |
| 19:11.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 19:11.26 | solofight | you guys rock |
| 19:11.29 | SAiF | :) |
| 19:11.33 | freemangordon | *AND DISABLE* extras-testing and extras-devel repos |
| 19:11.34 | kerio | you still have no hostmode tho |
| 19:11.50 | freemangordon | kerio: and it is better that way |
| 19:12.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly extras-testing! |
| 19:12.18 | solofight | what is that fiasco file anyways ? |
| 19:12.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody ever wants extras-testing repo, unless s/he's a teter |
| 19:12.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | tester even |
| 19:12.33 | freemangordon | solofight: kernel fiasco image |
| 19:12.36 | freemangordon | ~fiasco |
| 19:12.37 | infobot | L4-compatible real-time microkernel capable of running Linux in usermode. URL: http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/fiasco/ |
| 19:12.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: that is for complete reflash |
| 19:12.42 | solofight | what we just did is punch in the main kernel alone and it picked up ? |
| 19:12.43 | freemangordon | WTF |
| 19:12.52 | freemangordon | solofight: yep |
| 19:13.01 | freemangordon | something like that |
| 19:13.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: I suggest you complete that download anyway |
| 19:13.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | of the 191MB fiasco |
| 19:13.33 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: yes, just resumed |
| 19:13.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually you might need it |
| 19:14.07 | solofight | so is it now safe to install and uninstall the hen without problem to my camera and phone ? |
| 19:14.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: first install recent powerkernel |
| 19:14.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pk |
| 19:14.33 | infobot | An Open-Source POSIX Threads embedded real-time kernel. URL: http://www.cornfed.com/pk/ |
| 19:14.34 | SAiF | goodnite all |
| 19:14.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~kp |
| 19:14.40 | infobot | kp is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 |
| 19:15.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | installing powerkernel is the relevant part to enable hostmode, and it's this kernel change that causes temporary problems with camera |
| 19:15.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | problems with camera can get solved |
| 19:15.48 | kerio | also, which camera stopped working? |
| 19:15.59 | kerio | the standard one, or fcam? |
| 19:16.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | uninstalling powerkernel is strictly NOGO. You install stock kernel to get rid of powerkernel |
| 19:16.47 | solofight | standard one |
| 19:17.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: aiui KP cam module kills all cam apps |
| 19:17.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather, the lack of this module |
| 19:17.30 | solofight | if its that dangerous then powerkernel should not get uninstalled when i try to uninstall the hostmode right ? |
| 19:17.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | err driver |
| 19:17.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | right |
| 19:18.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | it shouldn't try to uninstall kernels ever |
| 19:18.20 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: this gives 404 http://www.cornfed.com/pk/ |
| 19:18.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and afaik H-E-N never did and doesn't |
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| 19:18.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, is that from the KP thread? |
| 19:19.08 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: so i follow this to install a powerkernel http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 ??? |
| 19:19.18 | freemangordon | solofight: install it from the application manager |
| 19:19.28 | solofight | and whats the difference between a normal kernal and a power kernel by the way ? |
| 19:19.59 | freemangordon | solofight: lots of |
| 19:20.07 | freemangordon | differences that is |
| 19:20.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: KP has stuff like hostmode support and whatnot else |
| 19:20.13 | solofight | freemangordon: the name of the package will be kernel-power-flasher right ? |
| 19:20.28 | solofight | or i can do a sudo gainroot and then do apt-get kernel-power-flasher |
| 19:20.29 | solofight | correct ? |
| 19:20.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | NO! |
| 19:20.50 | freemangordon | solofight: use application manager |
| 19:20.53 | freemangordon | !!! |
| 19:21.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel-power is one of the packages that NEED HAM |
| 19:22.06 | Sicelo | (i been installing it with apt-get since KP47. of course, i wouldnt suggest it at all for solofight) |
| 19:22.14 | solofight | freemangordon: whatst the package name in application manager ? |
| 19:22.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: sudo gainroot and then do apt-get kernel-power-flasher is exactly what gives you a situation like we just saved you from |
| 19:22.36 | solofight | :P |
| 19:22.42 | solofight | ok |
| 19:23.13 | solofight | whats the package name that i need to look for in the application manager |
| 19:23.18 | solofight | ? |
| 19:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kernel for powerusers |
| 19:23.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | something like that |
| 19:23.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | search for "kernel" |
| 19:24.03 | solofight | ok thank you |
| 19:24.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know searching works via keyboard in HAM? |
| 19:24.12 | solofight | ok |
| 19:24.21 | solofight | will do once i get to a wifi zone |
| 19:24.31 | solofight | thank you all for the timely help |
| 19:24.37 | solofight | HAM ? |
| 19:24.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~HAM |
| 19:24.45 | infobot | [ham] Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does |
| 19:24.51 | solofight | AM = application manager |
| 19:25.00 | solofight | ? |
| 19:25.11 | solofight | got it |
| 19:25.33 | solofight | i usually use the "faster application manager" for installing and uninstalling |
| 19:25.41 | solofight | its not recommended ? |
| 19:26.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, another way to break your system when you dare to use fapman for KP install :-) |
| 19:26.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fapman |
| 19:26.07 | infobot | fapman is probably Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. in short, it's deprecated |
| 19:26.10 | Sicelo | :P |
| 19:26.16 | solofight | i actually enabled testing and dev to fing the cateroise plus app... my menu is cluttered with so many icons now |
| 19:26.46 | Sicelo | hmm, looks like you install everything you meet :) |
| 19:26.49 | solofight | :P |
| 19:26.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | never enable extras-testing repo! |
| 19:27.07 | kerio | if it makes you feel any better, there's pretty much nothing you can do to truly break a n900 |
| 19:27.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | there#s nothing in extras-testing for you |
| 19:27.15 | kerio | (via software) |
| 19:27.21 | kerio | except maybe overclocking |
| 19:27.24 | solofight | how do you guys manage your menu items ? cant we organize it in custom groups ? |
| 19:27.37 | solofight | like games, office_tools, social ...etc ? |
| 19:27.43 | kerio | uses terminal, web and xchat |
| 19:27.51 | kerio | and also sometimes phone |
| 19:27.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: I don't like catorize, I use apmefo which is kinda same |
| 19:28.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | but has pretty convenient custom groups, and you even can have same icon in several concurrent groups |
| 19:29.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway both catorize and apmefo break when you drag&move the icons in appstarter directly |
| 19:29.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | so don't try this |
| 19:29.36 | solofight | oh |
| 19:30.02 | solofight | ok |
| 19:30.02 | solofight | thank you |
| 19:30.02 | solofight | will try |
| 19:30.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | in apmefo you can arrange icons in the apmefo config gui, by moving them up/down in the list |
| 19:30.13 | kerio | break as in? |
| 19:30.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: HD nukes the custom dirs of apmefo |
| 19:30.42 | kerio | oh |
| 19:30.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't know of submenus |
| 19:30.55 | kerio | so it's "broken" until you actually reapply the settings |
| 19:31.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, you can open apmefo settings and save |
| 19:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and everything back to normal |
| 19:31.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that sucks |
| 19:31.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since you have a hard time finding the icon of apmefo to start it ;-) |
| 19:32.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | when the complete appstarter is messed up |
| 19:33.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | in MHD/CSSU you can lock/disable icon dragging in appstarter |
| 19:33.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
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| 19:38.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/Screenshot-20131228-203356.png |
| 19:39.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | first row of 5 are submenus |
| 19:43.18 | Sicelo | what is bq27k monitor? |
| 19:44.47 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: ^^ |
| 19:45.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | bq27200.sh in a xterm |
| 19:45.33 | Sicelo | ok. |
| 19:46.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | kinda like mc |
| 19:46.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | which also just opens a shell with mc |
| 19:48.48 | Sicelo | irssi, htop, etc ;) |
| 19:49.12 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ooh, FAM, that is why KP got uninstalled :( |
| 19:53.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
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| 23:43.15 | ShadowJK | Heh, I never noticed before, that the voltage settings for cpu change slightly at runtime |
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