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09:28.34Sicelohi. i would like to get help with a certificate problem..
09:28.42Sicelohttp://paste.debian.net/72328
09:29.14Siceloi would like to remove the offending certificate. it's blocking me from connecting to my work wi-i
09:29.22Sicelo*wi-fi
09:30.00Sicelofreemangordon: would you be able to help?
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10:03.11freemangordonSicelo: hmm, can't you just remove that certificate from the control panel?
10:03.46freemangordon"settings->certificate manager" that is
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12:43.55DocScrutinizer05Happy Christmas!
12:44.37M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: +1
12:44.39DocScrutinizer05err Merry Christmas
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12:45.07DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK: good day to do some real work ;-)
12:45.16DocScrutinizer05get some real work done
12:46.01DocScrutinizer05like http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/issues/541/
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12:47.26M4rtinKexactly! :)
12:47.32DocScrutinizer05took a few hours to check the stuff on N900, see what filter criteria might help to spot compliant parts on digikey, and finally review the 741 parts the filters returned
12:47.50M4rtinKwill hopefully get modRana development moving again :)
12:48.00M4rtinKheh
12:48.27M4rtinKwhen you finish, ~30 of them will be already discontinued :)
12:48.53DocScrutinizer05I like that one http://rohmfs.rohm.com/en/products/databook/datasheet/opto/led/chip_multi/msl0201rgb.pdf for multicolor Neo900 kbd backlight
12:49.10DocScrutinizer05pick the color of backlight you like
12:50.16M4rtinKnice! :)
12:50.30M4rtinKcould be even useful - IIRC red light is better for night vision
12:50.37M4rtinKalso bling :)
12:54.11DocScrutinizer05bling?
12:54.48M4rtinKI think it is some sort of slang word for shiny things
12:54.57DocScrutinizer05aah
12:55.28DocScrutinizer05yeah, stuff with many joyful colors always sells better
12:56.26M4rtinKunless it's a ThinkPad :)
12:56.48DocScrutinizer05o.O
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12:57.38DocScrutinizer05moin dos1
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13:08.41Sicelofreemangordon: delete isn't there... this is a system certificate
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13:29.31fidelpHow can I tell my N900 that I prefer certain wifi networks over others?
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14:11.09ShadowJKthere isn't
14:11.32ShadowJKIt stays connected until signal becomes too weak, disconnects and connects to strongest available
14:14.48DocScrutinizer05err, on *connect* I think you can prioritize certain WLAN APs
14:15.08DocScrutinizer05so not necessarily it connects to strongest - afaik
14:18.19ShadowJKhm
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14:20.47cityLightsDocScrutinizer05: coming to FOSDEM?
14:20.54DocScrutinizer05hardly
14:21.24cityLights$$$?
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14:21.34DocScrutinizer05no time and no money for such fun
14:21.45cityLightstoo bad
14:22.06DocScrutinizer05and also I tend to feel quite exhausted soon while attending such mass events
14:22.12cityLightshow far are you from Brussels?
14:22.26DocScrutinizer05prolly ~1000km
14:22.33DocScrutinizer05maybe a bit less
14:22.58cityLightso, well, was hoping to meet some of the memebres here
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14:31.15M4rtinKwell will going by bus :)
14:31.17M4rtinK11 hours :)
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15:45.34teotwakiHappy Holidays #maemo.
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15:49.28sixwheeledbeastHappy non-denominational winter festival to you too ;)
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16:25.36DocScrutinizer05waves
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16:34.44thedead1440season greetings to all too
16:36.29sixwheeledbeast\o thedead1440
16:36.43thedead1440o/
16:41.53DocScrutinizer05hi thedead1440
16:42.03thedead1440hows things doc?
16:42.23DocScrutinizer05fine, nobody and nothing distracting me from working for Neo900
16:42.43thedead1440cool
16:42.46DocScrutinizer05and laughing about our "request for a relationship" thread
16:43.21DocScrutinizer05suuuure, community will help to set up a closed appshop
16:43.27DocScrutinizer05LOL
16:44.03DocScrutinizer05wonders if they meant "maemo6" maybe
16:44.03thedead1440actually i wanted to send them STFU but then its official so held my lip :D
16:44.28DocScrutinizer05we should point them to aegis ;-P
16:44.30FIQthe channel is also publically logged :)
16:44.35thedead1440doc no maybe they meant sailfish- :p
16:44.43DocScrutinizer05hehe
16:44.43FIQ@ "but then it's official"
16:44.59thedead1440FIQ: i meant official from hifo's email address
16:45.01DocScrutinizer05this channel is not 2official" ;-)
16:45.06thedead1440+1
16:45.29DocScrutinizer05I know that sort of students
16:45.43DocScrutinizer05had the fun several times
16:45.50FIQwhat thread/whatever are you referring to?
16:45.55DocScrutinizer05I don't want to cal it pleasure
16:45.59FIQsome jolla thing?
16:46.52thedead1440FIQ: no; somebody has been contacting HiFo about a collaboration which is all BS; see backlog for convo b/w doc and Win7Mac to read details
16:47.03DocScrutinizer05some Ghana student approaching HiFo about "help from community" for a very cloudy and fuzzy project involving heavily modified maemo-whatever ported to some new hw-platform
16:47.38DocScrutinizer05and a closed app shop
16:47.59DocScrutinizer05and closed apps integrated into maemo
16:48.07FIQsounds scary
16:48.13DocScrutinizer05and of course "the community2 providing all that to them
16:49.04DocScrutinizer05so HiFo now stands up ans shouts "COMMUNITY! go and produce what those fine gentlemen asked for!"
16:49.16DocScrutinizer05;-P
16:49.31thedead1440haha
16:49.38DocScrutinizer05ooh, why HiFo btw, I think that would be council's job anyway
16:50.06DocScrutinizer05just another detail those guys didn't get
16:58.00DocScrutinizer05/me just wonders how phrases like >>But with the support the Maemo Community is ready to offer, we hope we can get that aid.<< sneaked in
16:58.52DocScrutinizer05I don't know of any support "the Maemo Community is ready to offer"
16:59.08thedead1440doc imagine one joker sitting behind a PC having nothing to do but typing out such nonsense... his aim is to convince you for the most foolish things so don't read too much into it
16:59.35DocScrutinizer05yeah, my suspicion of yesterday(?)
17:01.38DocScrutinizer05prolly best answer: "We are Hildon Foundation, maemo's cashier. We thought *you* were (part of) >the maemo community<"
17:02.48DocScrutinizer05Andrew's right
17:04.01DocScrutinizer05*really* best answer: wait for their next mail
17:04.14thedead1440yeah or just ignore them hereon
17:05.58DocScrutinizer05how's xmess over at your end?
17:06.53thedead1440some decoration at the main shopping street otherwise its just a public holiday
17:07.13DocScrutinizer05ooh, not that crazy like e.g. in Taiwan?
17:07.47thedead1440oh not here... after all the mix of various religions makes it just one of the few year-round festivals
17:08.01thedead1440lunar new year is the crazy occasion here
17:08.03DocScrutinizer05same in taiwan though
17:08.12thedead1440with most businesses closed for around 3-5days
17:08.34DocScrutinizer05:nod:
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17:09.03DocScrutinizer05this is end of January this year?
17:09.08thedead1440its worst in indonesia; lunar new year means 1-2weeks at the minimum of closures.
17:09.15thedead1440yup starts on the 31st of jan
17:09.44DocScrutinizer05yeah, had to deal with it when at OM. 2 weeks nothing goes
17:10.45DocScrutinizer05though I'm not even sure if that's identical with chinese new year, which is what I think they celebrate there
17:10.57thedead1440its the same
17:11.33thedead1440indonesian economy is chinese bosses with local workers (stereotype) so closures on both lunar new year and eid
17:11.34DocScrutinizer05xmas and chinese new year - worse than ramadan
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17:12.18DocScrutinizer05worse as in: longer
17:12.43DocScrutinizer05and more relevant over in asia
17:13.00DocScrutinizer05at least from what I seen
17:13.46thedead1440nowadays its pretty similar mainly due to workers not being able to return on time. for e.g. this year my relative's house-maid spent 4 days traveling from her village to the city due to the traffic. so bosses can open without workers :D
17:14.23DocScrutinizer05stuff stops moving mid of december. and when mid of january some of the xmas holiday absences tend to end, chinese new year kicks in blocking stuff for another 3 weeks
17:15.50thedead1440yup; this is usually our most hectic time of the year... first you do closing of pending orders then you do frantic collection of payments before lunar new year... business owners don't pay during lunar new year so either you collect earlier or wait it out
17:16.20DocScrutinizer05yeah
17:16.58DocScrutinizer05and when you didn't get around to sourcing your components in time, you can close your business too from Nov.15 to Feb.20
17:17.08thedead1440hehe very true
17:18.42DocScrutinizer05how do you like my idea about that "golden belt of contacts" around Neo900?
17:20.43DocScrutinizer05seems it's enough space for >40 contacts to "the world out there"
17:21.12thedead1440its interesting and i think a number of pretty fun things would be done by people once its out there
17:22.09DocScrutinizer05all kinds of cool "cradle" thingies could get built
17:22.20DocScrutinizer05fullsize kbd cradle
17:22.28DocScrutinizer05joystick cradle
17:22.52DocScrutinizer05VGA and charging and audio cradle
17:23.49DocScrutinizer05wondering about that LED invasion though
17:24.12DocScrutinizer05it's mechanically challenging
17:25.34DocScrutinizer05seen that extremely cool (though not useful for Neo900) ultraflat ultrabright LED I found?
17:26.11DocScrutinizer050.8mm high, shining *sideways*, ~2300mCd
17:26.28DocScrutinizer05white
17:27.47DocScrutinizer05well, we could build a flashlight to the left small side of Neo900 using 5 of those
17:27.53thedead1440nope haven't seen the led; time to dig it out
17:28.43DocScrutinizer05http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data Sheets/Optek PDFs/OVSRWAC2R6.pdf   http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/OVSRWAC2R6/365-1550-1-ND/2203549
17:30.07DocScrutinizer05a tiny bit *thinner* than a SIM
17:30.41DocScrutinizer05and as bright as two candles
17:31.07DocScrutinizer05blinding
17:31.59thedead1440nice
17:34.29DocScrutinizer05yeah :-)
17:34.43DocScrutinizer05tiny
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17:36.12DocScrutinizer05we could place 20 of those at the small side of Neo900, without stacking them
17:36.32thedead1440but wouldn't it bulk things up?
17:36.33DocScrutinizer05"apperture" 0.8*2.2mm
17:36.49DocScrutinizer05nah, we have the spcer there anyway
17:36.56DocScrutinizer05spacer
17:37.14DocScrutinizer05we almist could mount them vertically into spacer
17:37.14thedead1440ic
17:37.19DocScrutinizer05:-P
17:37.23DocScrutinizer05almost*
17:37.35thedead1440thats a nice extension :D
17:37.51DocScrutinizer05making room for theoretically some 60 of them
17:38.21DocScrutinizer05120 Cd
17:38.22DocScrutinizer05*shudder*
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17:39.00thedead1440haha
17:41.12thedead1440see ya doc; time to go to bed o/
17:42.25DocScrutinizer05o/
17:42.33DocScrutinizer05have a nice time!
17:44.32DocScrutinizer05alas this miracle LED is "obsolete" :-(
17:56.14sixwheeledbeastmaybe they have made a smaller one
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19:07.06DocScrutinizer05hehe, doesn't seem so
19:07.57DocScrutinizer05anyway, this made me stroll to highpower white and thus pick a CRE for flash of Neo900
19:08.35DocScrutinizer05350mA max, sounds about correct for what we have, though case is 5*5 not 3*3
19:09.08DocScrutinizer05I hope it fits nevertheless
19:09.39DocScrutinizer05CLN6A-MKW
19:10.12DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: you got details about what we got in N900? (colortemp etc? Lm? Cd?)
19:10.56SpeedEvilI have no idea.
19:11.05SpeedEvilIt's perhaps what - 4 year old design?
19:11.09DocScrutinizer05thought you once did some tests
19:11.14SpeedEvilWhat's the peak watts?
19:11.30SpeedEvilThe lumens is unlikely to exceed perhaps 80lm/W
19:11.43DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's what we got
19:11.46DocScrutinizer05CLN6A-MKW
19:11.54DocScrutinizer05roundabout
19:12.20DocScrutinizer05do you know if N900 is warmwhite or cool?
19:12.48DocScrutinizer05I *guess* it must be warmwhite
19:12.54SpeedEvilI'm not sure.
19:13.09sixwheeledbeastI'd guess cool myself
19:13.20SpeedEvilI'd think neutral or cool is more likely
19:13.32DocScrutinizer05that's a lot. So I at least know I have to check again
19:13.33SpeedEvilAlso - you don't want to go too wide a field of view on the LED.
19:13.51SpeedEvil60 degree will be four times as bright as 120 degrees.
19:13.56DocScrutinizer05that might get difficult as well
19:14.08DocScrutinizer05we got a lens in front
19:14.11SpeedEvilPer watt - though you can't go too narrow - or you get beam assymetries
19:14.12SpeedEvilah
19:14.59DocScrutinizer05there's that plastic fresnel in N900 case
19:15.02SpeedEvilI guess try and roughly match the bare LED position and angle of view
19:15.19sixwheeledbeastwarm is more incandescent lightbulb colour <2500K
19:15.41DocScrutinizer05I'm concerned we got a hardcoded whitebalance for flash in maemo
19:16.46sixwheeledbeasthardcoded where?
19:17.07DocScrutinizer05if I had to guess I'd say in omapcamd
19:17.24DocScrutinizer05though maybe even in CAL
19:17.59DocScrutinizer05in PR1.0 we had green macro issue
19:18.34DocScrutinizer05got fixed with a later PR
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19:28.37sixwheeledbeast~bug7060
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19:49.55sixwheeledbeastbug 7060
19:49.57povbot04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/7060 Sometimes photos are very green
19:50.01sixwheeledbeastah
19:51.17DocScrutinizer05aah, thanks
19:51.54sixwheeledbeast"This has been fixed in package kernel 2.6.28-20095102+0m5"
20:02.55DocScrutinizer05hmm yeah
20:03.01DocScrutinizer05why "kernel"?
20:03.11DocScrutinizer05also: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9741
20:03.13povbot04Bug 9741: Pictures taken with flash have wrong white balancing (green tint) and are too dark.
20:05.23DocScrutinizer05why the heck can random users edit random attachments?  https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2542&action=edit
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20:08.48sixwheeledbeasthmmm, just looking though the b.m.o for "camera" has bought up a good few WONTFIXes
20:09.17DocScrutinizer05:-S
20:09.42sixwheeledbeastbug 9085
20:09.44povbot04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/9085 Camera lens is returned too hard back to home position
20:10.03sixwheeledbeastbug 10384
20:10.05povbot04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10384 photo camera exposure correction defective for manual ISO setting
20:12.10ecc3gI've always thought that opening/closing the camera door to be very clunky on the n900.  Not to mention what should it do when I wanted to run mBarcode and not camera.
20:12.29sixwheeledbeastbug 10091
20:12.31povbot04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10091 Launching camera disables auto exposure for other applications
20:18.36sixwheeledbeastbug 5693 I have suffered with this and thought it was just my device
20:18.38povbot04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/5693 Artifact (single-pixel line) appears on the right of photos when using digital zoom
20:18.52sixwheeledbeastOh well
20:21.02sixwheeledbeastecc3g: re mBarcode that's a whole other bug that's a WONTFIX
20:21.44sixwheeledbeastThe buggy workaround is dsmetool -k the camera-ui
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20:25.28DocScrutinizer05err, I simply close camera app?
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20:36.51sixwheeledbeastIf you don't want to close the camera-ui everytime you open the lens cover
20:38.40sixwheeledbeastshould be a way of disabling the launch of camera-ui on lens cover IMO. but Nokia said WONTFIX
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20:39.45DocScrutinizer05when I start mBarcode, it says "please open cam door" and when I to this it starts scanning or autofocusing
20:40.00DocScrutinizer05it however usually fails to detect any barcode
20:40.12DocScrutinizer05it doesn't use flash
20:40.21DocScrutinizer05or flashlight
20:40.28DocScrutinizer05only for autofocus
20:40.29RST38hChristmas, Doc?
20:40.34DocScrutinizer05sure
20:40.52DocScrutinizer05thanks
20:41.14DocScrutinizer05takes a Christmas from RST38h
20:43.30sixwheeledbeastI am guessing mBarcode does "dsmetool -k /usr/bin/camera-ui" on start
20:43.41DocScrutinizer05no idea
20:45.40DocScrutinizer05but probably it *should* just use cmera-ui in a way like the gallery shot review pops up with currently taken photo after shot, and closes again after a few seconds or when you press focus
20:48.01DocScrutinizer05actually a lot of usecases should work that way, e.g. when trying to select an avatar for a contact, there should be an automatic to take a photo when you open the camera door and it should be that photo taken for the avatar without me having to select in from gallery
20:51.51DocScrutinizer05RST38h: do you have another of those Christmas for me? Last one was tasty
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21:55.07Siceloi'm concluding that `cmcli` is maemo-specific. correct? i don't seem to find a man page anywhere
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22:10.05DocScrutinizer05err, sounds aegis-specific
22:11.04DocScrutinizer05ooh, certificate manager cli
22:11.57Siceloyeah
22:13.57DocScrutinizer05nevertheless: https://gitorious.org/meego-platform-security/aegis-certman/source/625438d289375f6f5e7c2c2d225c8d3e306154aa:bin/cli/cmcli.c
22:18.20DocScrutinizer05https://gitorious.org/meego-platform-security/aegis-certman/source/86e630b1fb78dd75c43222a1894bce2a9bcd940f:doc/Doxyfile MEH!
22:18.34DocScrutinizer05of *course* no manpages
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22:19.24HtheBplease read guys, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1400402#post1400402
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22:26.23sixwheeledbeastPart of the maemosec-certman-tools package?
22:26.41DocScrutinizer05sounds kinda correct
22:28.02DocScrutinizer05https://gitorious.org/maemo-5-certificate-manager/maemo-security-certman/source/c041ea8640383068c35132b1d110c29d9a758425:bin/cli/cmcli.c
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22:28.35sixwheeledbeast:nod: that's it
22:31.39DocScrutinizer05http://www.google.de/search?q=cmcli+maemo
22:33.16DocScrutinizer05NFC how anybody is supposed to learn about even the existence of cmcli without any manpages
22:33.55DocScrutinizer05I guess freemangordon found it in gitorious when checking how a-gps and certs work
22:34.41sixwheeledbeastor didn't work as the case was
22:38.30FIQ<DocScrutinizer05> why the heck can random users edit random attachments?  https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2542&action=edit - sounds like a security vulnerability in the bugtracker, or that someone messed up access lists...
22:41.17DocScrutinizer05yeah
22:41.29DocScrutinizer05quite
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22:58.07FIQ~ham
22:58.07infobotrumour has it, ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does
22:58.46FIQthat's an understatement
23:09.09keriomerry christmas to whoever's in UTC+1
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23:13.59DocScrutinizer05huh?
23:14.18kerio15 minutes ago
23:14.38DocScrutinizer05thanks, but... we use this phrase since ~12h
23:14.53keriobut it's only christmas now
23:15.01DocScrutinizer05not here
23:15.14DocScrutinizer05here we start xmas at 24th
23:15.31kerioFINE
23:15.44keriomerry christmas to whoever's in UTC+1 except for DocScrutinizer05
23:16.00DocScrutinizer05thanks!
23:16.40merlin1991kerio: FTW
23:16.44merlin1991also yay christmas
23:16.55kerioyay
23:17.06DocScrutinizer05may I exclude you from my "mery chrismas" that I posted 14h ago, then?
23:17.27DocScrutinizer05:-/
23:18.13kerionope
23:18.17kerioit's too late
23:18.21keriosucka
23:18.27merlin1991there should be a similar thing to UGT for holidays
23:18.33merlin1991s/to/for/
23:18.40keriomer
23:18.42merlin1991actually v1 was correct
23:18.43keriowhoops
23:19.06keriomerlin1991: no, i *meant* to not give my salutations to other timezones
23:19.09keriofuck 'em
23:19.22kerioCET/CEST ftw
23:25.07DocScrutinizer05I really wonder wtf is wrong with kerio
23:32.06sixwheeledbeastIt's non-denominational winter festival day, BTW ;)
23:33.56DocScrutinizer05yes, even been yesterday, in my CET TZ
23:34.07DocScrutinizer05and today, and tomorrow
23:34.32chainsawbikeexcept for the southern hemisphere - we just join in for the lols
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23:40.14DocScrutinizer05anyway re bugs.m.o I checked for 1h+ starting at http://wstaw.org/m/2013/12/25/plasma-desktopRG3389.png and didn't find any setting that's possibly related to that weird attachment thing
23:41.00DocScrutinizer05maybe that's a feature, not a bug?
23:47.17DocScrutinizer05or rather not?
23:47.21DocScrutinizer05>>
23:47.24DocScrutinizer05validate_can_edit($attachment, $product_id)
23:47.24DocScrutinizer05Description: validates if the user is allowed to view and edit the attachment. Only the submitter or someone with editbugs privs can edit it. Only the submitter and users in the insider group can view private attachments.
23:47.26DocScrutinizer05<<
23:47.31DocScrutinizer05http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/3.2/en/html/api/Bugzilla/Attachment.html
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23:48.56DocScrutinizer05how the heck is an anonymous user supposed to have "editbugs privs"
23:52.52kerioDocScrutinizer05: 24th is christmas' eve, 25th is christmas
23:53.07DocScrutinizer05so what?
23:53.10keriomidnight is the turning point between the two
23:55.06freemangordonhmm, kind of polite conversation's going on here
23:55.14keriofreemangordon: merry christmas!
23:55.16DocScrutinizer05honestly I don't give a flying F, I just consider it rude to exclude people explicitly from "best wishes", particularly based on a misconception of local habits and customs
23:55.36freemangordonanyway, merry christmas guys
23:55.47DocScrutinizer05same to you, freemangordon
23:56.07freemangordonand heavy new year :P
23:56.16freemangordon(rock)

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