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| 07:28.38 | dima` | Does anybody know of a way to fsck /home on an n900? I'm getting corrupted sqlite rtcom databases, so suspect disk issues there. |
| 07:34.17 | amonk | remount it read only, fsck it and then remount it rw |
| 07:35.00 | amonk | preferable with ; between commands and -y on fsck to be quick about it |
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| 07:41.02 | dima` | amonk: doing a fsck on a ro-mounted partition is safe? |
| 07:43.22 | kerio | don't use fsck on device |
| 07:43.30 | kerio | unless you updated it |
| 07:44.15 | dima` | kerio: I'm not going to do this at all, unless somebody here says that it can be expected to not blow up my device :) |
| 07:45.07 | dima` | kerio: is there a way to boot to some sort of rescue console without mounting /home? |
| 07:48.37 | amonk | dima`: yes |
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| 07:54.24 | amonk | If you want to be super safe, you could use the flasher to boot the ubiboot kernel WITHOUT actually installing it and use it's rescue mode to do the fsck from your nixbook. |
| 07:54.49 | amonk | oops, my bad. that's for meego/harmattan. |
| 07:55.15 | amonk | but the same principle applies. fsck from your nixbook via usb however works. |
| 07:55.17 | dima` | amonk: so no rescue boot for maemo? |
| 07:55.26 | dima` | ok |
| 07:55.27 | dima` | thanks |
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| 07:55.42 | amonk | I'm sure you can do it with maemo too. |
| 07:56.18 | dima` | amonk: what were you referring to that was for meego/harmattan? |
| 07:56.53 | amonk | if you go the usb route, you can also dd am image first to be safe. :) |
| 07:57.22 | amonk | That was a boot loader that has a built in rescue mode. |
| 07:57.36 | dima` | ah. ok |
| 07:57.53 | kerio | ~rescueOS |
| 07:57.53 | infobot | i guess rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ |
| 07:58.25 | kerio | boot from that, export mmcblk0 via usb mass storage |
| 07:58.41 | kerio | and fsck whatever you want |
| 07:58.47 | amonk | ^that sounds promising :) |
| 07:58.55 | dima` | aha |
| 07:59.08 | dima` | yes, that sounds like the way to go! |
| 07:59.14 | dima` | glad I asked here |
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| 09:25.55 | zammy | ~flash |
| 09:25.55 | infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 09:25.56 | zammy | ~flasher |
| 09:25.56 | infobot | methinks flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher, or http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 09:26.59 | zammy | omg DocScrutinizer05 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php is 404 |
| 09:27.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 09:27.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia decided to discontinue that page and thus stop all support for maemo |
| 09:28.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | use skeiron |
| 09:28.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | or complain at Nokia care or Nokia customer support |
| 09:28.46 | zammy | ok |
| 09:28.55 | zammy | anyway which one is the newest DocScrutinizer05 ? |
| 09:29.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even do both please, and don't mix both I.E. don't tell Nokia |
| 09:29.10 | zammy | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ |
| 09:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: none of that stuff has changed since duh maybe 4 years |
| 09:29.35 | zammy | ? |
| 09:29.45 | zammy | duh? |
| 09:29.47 | zammy | XD |
| 09:30.58 | zammy | sorry DocScrutinizer05 I don't understand what you meant |
| 09:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | by what? |
| 09:31.51 | zammy | shit... I must reflash my n900 again DocScrutinizer05 can I occasionally install neo900 os? |
| 09:32.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | wut? |
| 09:32.06 | zammy | XD |
| 09:32.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | no such thing like neo900 OS |
| 09:32.38 | zammy | alright DocScrutinizer05 .... which of that bin is the newest |
| 09:32.43 | zammy | I never understood that |
| 09:32.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I'm busy doing real work |
| 09:32.49 | zammy | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ |
| 09:32.52 | zammy | sigh |
| 09:33.27 | ShadowJK | -38, iirc |
| 09:33.32 | freemangordon | zammy: pr1.3 is the newest |
| 09:33.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and what in "this stuff didn't change since 4 years" you didn't understand? |
| 09:34.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr131 |
| 09:34.05 | infobot | combined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 09:34.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that's what you wanna know |
| 09:34.43 | ShadowJK | -36.2 |
| 09:34.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | also in the download page on maemo-dev-env-downloads.php it's pretty BOLD tagged which is LATEST. In RED iirc |
| 09:36.41 | zammy | thank you very much real worker DocScrutinizer05 |
| 09:36.56 | zammy | and happy xmas |
| 09:37.04 | zammy | and new year |
| 09:37.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | same to you. thanks |
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| 09:42.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | dnag, now I start to think it's actually correct to call tmo being sailfish-flooded :-o |
| 09:42.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1399859#post1399859 almost one hour and not a single thanks yet |
| 09:43.42 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: isn't it too early in the morning? |
| 09:43.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | almost noon here |
| 09:43.54 | freemangordon | it is holiday time after all, afaik |
| 09:44.22 | freemangordon | is it a working day in your place? |
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| 09:52.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | for me every day is working day, but yes this is a pretty normal day around here |
| 09:53.36 | freemangordon | I see |
| 09:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and what do you think about Neo900's new golden belt? |
| 09:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I feel like this been one of my better ideas |
| 09:55.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | some "AAAH!" moment when everything falls into place |
| 09:57.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | mech support for kbd: solved (thus avoiding the "SIM defect" issue caused by modem (chips) popping off the PCB when bending it) |
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| 09:57.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | spacer frame design drastically simplified |
| 09:58.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | a wealth of new options via the contact pads that come for free with this design, for charging, HDMI, whatnot else |
| 09:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus I finally found a pretty natural place for the diagnostic LEDs I plan to get to show e.g. Modem sending, WLAN powered, etc pp |
| 10:00.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | (need to design in a convenient way to kill the LEDs when user can't stand them) |
| 10:00.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | should be simple enough, a 0402 resistor is easily broken off the PCB |
| 10:02.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | SMD LEDs with exactly 0.8mm width (== PCB thickness) seem readily available |
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| 10:24.46 | teotwaki | HELO |
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| 12:08.54 | _maniac_ | hi. happy new n900 user here. |
| 12:09.16 | _maniac_ | fcam drivers doesn't work with kernel_power, is it expected? |
| 12:11.33 | t3st3r | they're rather picky with which kernels they work :\ |
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| 12:11.47 | t3st3r | that's from my experience at least. |
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| 12:47.18 | Sysaxed | so, that's me again, and I'm still trying to install flite 1.4 . The only dependency that is missing is dpkg (>= 1.15.4), but this is required only for the installation, right? So it's not really needed for the program to be run, right? |
| 12:47.45 | Sysaxed | I've tried compiling it from source right on my device, but it seems like it needs much more RAM than I expected |
| 12:48.09 | Sysaxed | so currently it is stuck constantly swapping for several hours |
| 12:48.49 | Sysaxed | so what should I do? |
| 12:51.34 | Sysaxed | is there any way to compile it on my pc and then install it on n900? I've seen some stuff about sdk but I don't understand what should I do in my particular case |
| 12:51.47 | Sysaxed | can somebody help me out? |
| 12:52.07 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: the easiest way is to get SDK vmware image |
| 12:52.26 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: sounds good, where can I get it? |
| 12:52.52 | Sysaxed | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ |
| 12:52.54 | Sysaxed | I see |
| 12:53.04 | freemangordon | hmm, wait |
| 12:53.40 | freemangordon | ~flashing |
| 12:53.40 | infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 12:54.39 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: the links are broken |
| 12:55.30 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ |
| 12:56.05 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: BTW do we have SDK vmware images hosted on mo? |
| 12:56.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think so |
| 12:56.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | as far as "hosted on m.o. goes" |
| 12:56.57 | freemangordon | someone should edit the wiki page to not point to tablets-dev.nokia.com |
| 12:57.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, *someone* should |
| 12:58.02 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I can do it, if only I could find where on mo are those |
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| 13:00.09 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: OMG!!! http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/ |
| 13:03.20 | wnd | http://maemo.org/ -> "Get Cordia and run Hildon Desktop on MeeGo(tm)" -> probably not what was originally intended |
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| 13:10.35 | teotwaki | sup DocScrutinizer05 |
| 13:10.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohai teotwaki |
| 13:11.12 | teotwaki | fyi, I'm going to be consolidating my servers |
| 13:11.22 | teotwaki | so I might have to take down maemo-backup |
| 13:11.29 | teotwaki | dunno if it's still used. |
| 13:14.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: aren't you hosting that MXR stuff? |
| 13:14.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | we would like to host that on m.o. servers |
| 13:15.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | missing it since quite a while |
| 13:15.37 | teotwaki | http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ |
| 13:16.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | mxr.maemo.org |
| 13:17.21 | teotwaki | I can give you an sftp access if you want to get some of that stuff back |
| 13:17.33 | teotwaki | I'll probably take down the server late next month. |
| 13:18.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | we don't need that maemo backup/mirror, we got the original ;-) |
| 13:18.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | we need mxr though |
| 13:18.14 | teotwaki | Did you check everything that's on it? |
| 13:18.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 13:18.57 | teotwaki | I have a backup of the wiki, MohammadAG's stuff, tableteer, merlin1991's stuff, etc. |
| 13:19.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | but the guys doing that are tired checking and comparing and tend to simply do mirrors of mirrors of mirrors of.... |
| 13:19.30 | teotwaki | well, I mirrored it when Nokia was shutting down everything |
| 13:19.44 | teotwaki | Then I was told (almost scolded) to stop the rsyncing, as I was pummeling the servers |
| 13:19.54 | teotwaki | I asked 6 months if it was still used, people told me to keep it |
| 13:20.04 | teotwaki | now I'm tired of having that shit around for apparently no reason |
| 13:20.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, since we needed the BACKUPs |
| 13:20.30 | teotwaki | so I'm just saying: If anyone needs it, grab it, it'll be down end of January. |
| 13:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | not mirrors mirroring stuff rotting |
| 13:20.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | again, do you host MXR? |
| 13:20.51 | teotwaki | nope |
| 13:20.59 | teotwaki | not that I'm aware of, not sure what MXR is. |
| 13:21.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | then that's been timeless |
| 13:21.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | MXR is maemo LXR |
| 13:21.56 | teotwaki | You mean this: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/ |
| 13:21.59 | teotwaki | ? |
| 13:22.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll try to find somebody to allocate to the task of comparing wedropit to skeiron et al |
| 13:22.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | YES! |
| 13:22.19 | teotwaki | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/do_you_need_a_maemo_lxr-type_service/ |
| 13:22.54 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: much appreciated. |
| 13:23.28 | teotwaki | sorry if I'm being a dick about this, but I'm at over 300€ in servers, I want to get down to 50€. |
| 13:23.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | please send info about sftp account to techstaff@maemo.org |
| 13:23.46 | teotwaki | So I'm just going to get a big server and create VMs, but full dedis is too much work. |
| 13:23.56 | teotwaki | will do. |
| 13:24.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | we will prolly just download everything, and then _never_ sort out |
| 13:24.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 13:24.28 | teotwaki | idc :P |
| 13:25.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think our aux storage on m.o has a few free TB still |
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| 13:25.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: could you maybe take care? |
| 13:25.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: contact teotwaki and warfare (the latter for access to aux HDD) |
| 13:27.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: or simply tell warfare the scp command ;-) |
| 13:28.30 | teotwaki | Do you guys want an scp/sftp-only account, or would you like ssh access so you send the stuff directly to another server? |
| 13:29.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, we have ssh account on the target server ;-) |
| 13:29.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | so prolly a scp/sftp whatever is just fine |
| 13:30.01 | teotwaki | k |
| 13:31.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ^^^ please read backscroll and see what you think about the whole thing |
| 13:31.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess ideally we'd use rsync, but... |
| 13:32.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | after cp -l $local $local-for-rsync |
| 13:33.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet 99.999% are duplicate |
| 13:33.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | redundant |
| 13:36.21 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: what is the default password? :)) |
| 13:36.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | for what? |
| 13:37.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | 12345, rootme, password, root... just a few for your convenience |
| 13:37.42 | Sysaxed | vmware image |
| 13:37.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly rootme |
| 13:38.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe maemo |
| 13:38.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask freemangordon, sorry busy, o/ |
| 13:38.48 | Sysaxed | ohhhhhhhhhh |
| 13:39.25 | Sysaxed | it was 'maemo' in qwerty keyboard |
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| 14:12.35 | Sysaxed | how do I ./configure in scratchbox? Which --host or --target should I use? |
| 14:18.11 | Sysaxed | anybody? |
| 14:20.33 | Sysaxed | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-12-23-162015_857x538_scrot.png |
| 14:22.39 | Sysaxed | This makes it to continue ./configure --host randomstring |
| 14:22.49 | Sysaxed | but I'm pretty sure that it is not a right way to do it |
| 14:29.07 | jon_y | you don't even know what you are compiling for? |
| 14:29.09 | jon_y | what. |
| 14:31.15 | Sysaxed | jon_y: well, I don't get it. Should it be arm or armel or arm-linux or what? |
| 14:32.34 | Sysaxed | or that arm-unknown-linux-gnu |
| 14:33.18 | jon_y | the whole idea of scratchbox is you don't need to set those |
| 14:33.24 | jon_y | qemu is usually involved |
| 14:33.38 | jon_y | somewhere in a chroot env |
| 14:37.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | you set SB target accordingly. There's only X86 and the arm target preconfigured |
| 14:39.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you build for the emulated "native" target which is arm in case you set SB target to arm |
| 14:41.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | you have set SB target to "sbox-FREMANTLE-ARMEL" |
| 14:42.14 | hbib1 | is it possible to fire a pop up notification (like when receiving sms) via a dbus call from console? |
| 14:42.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea why your check for c compiler fails |
| 14:42.35 | hbib1 | in the wiki i found only the other notification type ... |
| 14:42.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~phonecontrol |
| 14:42.36 | infobot | methinks phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
| 14:43.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Notifications |
| 14:44.27 | hbib1 | but these are sadly only the "other type" of notifications, not that blinking one when receiving an sms or a missed phone call |
| 14:44.45 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05: so I went to sb-menu and did some magic there |
| 14:45.04 | Sysaxed | selected qemu and something else... |
| 14:45.16 | Sysaxed | so now it works without even asking |
| 14:45.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, that's how it's supposed to be |
| 14:46.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | hbib1: you mean that blinking icon in upper left corner? |
| 14:46.38 | hbib1 | yep |
| 14:50.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, this been some nifty stuff about a counter counting up for each call you send to the notifier, can't recall it anymore |
| 14:51.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Make_an_.22Email_Style.22_notification_dialog |
| 14:51.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | here you are, I guess |
| 14:53.52 | hbib1 | DocScrutinizer05: Thanks! |
| 14:53.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | note that 'control_bluetooth_paired' is probably the name of the class of notifications you want to use |
| 14:53.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | all of same class add up |
| 14:54.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you can make up and use your own class name |
| 14:54.28 | hbib1 | i will experiment :) |
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| 15:17.27 | sixwheeledbeast | Yes 'control_bluetooth_paired' is the way to do it, IIRC it has a green tick in the message popup and also opens a missed call type window. Why not use a info or dialog popup? |
| 15:18.27 | Sicelo | hi |
| 15:18.35 | Sicelo | wi-fi issue here |
| 15:18.38 | Sicelo | http://paste.debian.net/72328/ |
| 15:20.18 | Sicelo | i'm trying to connect to an AP with 801.2x EAP security. the syslog above seems to suggest to me that maemo tries to see if the system certificates can be used for this.. then it bombs out once it sees the expired cert (utoridad de Certificacion Firmaprofesional) |
| 15:20.23 | Sicelo | any ideas? |
| 15:21.36 | Sicelo | so atm, i can't connect to this AP |
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| 15:27.51 | _maniac_ | what do you recommend for backing up contacts and messages on linux? |
| 15:27.57 | _maniac_ | preferably gui-less |
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| 15:32.47 | _maniac_ | I mean, i have obex-data-server installed, but I can't figure out how to make it actually backup data |
| 15:35.03 | Sysaxed | So, okay, so now this application is installed in scratchbox, how can I move it to the actual device now? |
| 15:38.38 | Sysaxed | should I just move /usr/local to the device? |
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| 15:41.33 | Sicelo | if you haven't made a deb, that looks like it for sure.. ssh should be very handy |
| 15:42.30 | hbib1 | sixwheeledbeast: i like that message notification pop up and want to implement it for my chroot claws-mail, so i have the same style for all kind of new messages(sms, whatsapp, e-mail) |
| 15:44.27 | sixwheeledbeast | if it's for mail that's fine but it would annoy me for "standard" msgs. |
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| 15:52.02 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: does this "application" has debian packaging? |
| 15:53.06 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: I don't think so |
| 15:54.11 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: hmm, is there a "debian/" subdirectory in the source directory? |
| 15:54.27 | Sysaxed | no |
| 15:54.27 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: which application is that? |
| 15:54.31 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: flite |
| 15:54.52 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flite |
| 15:54.58 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: there is flite 1.3 in maemo repos, I'm trying to install 1.4 |
| 15:55.35 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: the problem with 1.4 deb file is that it requires newer dpkg version, but dpkg is old in maemo |
| 15:55.46 | freemangordon | get the tarball from debian, "dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot" it |
| 15:55.47 | Sysaxed | other dependencies are satisfied, as far as I can see |
| 15:55.57 | freemangordon | hmm, weirs |
| 15:56.00 | freemangordon | *weird |
| 15:56.13 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: get the source package, not binary |
| 15:56.19 | freemangordon | and build it in SB |
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| 15:57.49 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: ohhh, sorry, but what should I do actually |
| 15:58.05 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: get http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/flite/flite_1.4-release-2.debian.tar.gz |
| 15:58.11 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: currently I just downloaded the source of flite, compiled it, and now I'm trying to get it on my device |
| 15:58.22 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: and that's not what I should do, right? |
| 15:58.38 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: the correct way IMO is to build a .deb |
| 15:58.48 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: that sounds right |
| 15:59.01 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: so, gett the ^^^ file, along with: |
| 15:59.14 | freemangordon | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/flite/flite_1.4-release.orig.tar.gz |
| 15:59.22 | freemangordon | and http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/flite/flite_1.4-release-2.dsc |
| 16:00.06 | freemangordon | after that run (in scratchbox, in the same dir those files are located) - dpkg-source -x flite_1.4-release-2.dsc |
| 16:00.39 | freemangordon | cd to flite directory and execute - "dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot" |
| 16:00.54 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: that way you'll have .deb that is compatible with maemo |
| 16:01.17 | Sysaxed | and.. that's it? |
| 16:01.25 | freemangordon | yep :) |
| 16:01.34 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: where have you been? :(( |
| 16:01.41 | freemangordon | well, if you have all the dependencies in place |
| 16:02.06 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: give me 2 minutes, I'll check if that works |
| 16:02.15 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: hm, I wonder, is it possible to that right on n900? |
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| 16:02.34 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: not smart, even if possible |
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| 16:03.57 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: hmm, ok, won't be that simple, .dsc is 3.0 format |
| 16:05.24 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: then what? :) |
| 16:05.44 | freemangordon | gimme 2 minutes |
| 16:06.03 | sixwheeledbeast | er |
| 16:06.41 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: though you can just uncompress those tar.gz files by hand |
| 16:07.26 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: though it has a dependency to texlive, where did you find that? |
| 16:07.53 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: what is texlive and where do you see that it is dependency? |
| 16:08.21 | freemangordon | "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: texlive" |
| 16:08.34 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: I guess it is in extras |
| 16:08.38 | freemangordon | just a minute |
| 16:09.06 | freemangordon | yep, it is there |
| 16:10.16 | Sysaxed | yes it is, but I wonder why would it need it |
| 16:11.02 | freemangordon | no idea, maybe some docs |
| 16:11.14 | freemangordon | anyway, building (without texlive) |
| 16:11.45 | freemangordon | hmm, won't fly |
| 16:13.19 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: ok, seems it builds now |
| 16:13.52 | Sysaxed | somehow when I was compiling from source I got binaries that were quiet huge... |
| 16:14.10 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: so, get those 2 tar.gz files ^^^ |
| 16:15.08 | freemangordon | exctract them, make sure to extract "debian" dir in flite-1.4-release dir |
| 16:15.30 | freemangordon | edit debian/control and remove the dependency to "texlive" |
| 16:15.38 | Sysaxed | haha! |
| 16:15.51 | Sysaxed | okay |
| 16:15.51 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: edit debian/compat and change 7 -> 5 |
| 16:16.16 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: in flite-1.4-release directory execute: |
| 16:16.37 | freemangordon | "QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches quilt push -a" without quotes |
| 16:17.20 | freemangordon | after that execute "dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot -b" |
| 16:17.29 | freemangordon | and you'll have it :) |
| 16:17.37 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: amazing |
| 16:17.42 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: thank you very much |
| 16:17.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and maybe strip |
| 16:18.04 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it will strip it |
| 16:18.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 16:18.09 | Sysaxed | I'm so starving, I've been trying to do that for the whole day |
| 16:18.11 | freemangordon | dpkg-buildpackage that is |
| 16:18.21 | Sysaxed | so I'll have a little break for food and then I'll try it |
| 16:18.23 | Sysaxed | thank you very much |
| 16:18.26 | freemangordon | np |
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| 17:04.50 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: what should I do here? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-12-23-190359_1095x494_scrot.png |
| 17:05.10 | Sysaxed | unmet build dependencies... Well, of course these are not installed |
| 17:05.21 | Sysaxed | what should I do? I cannot apt-get install them |
| 17:08.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly? screenshots made with camera? |
| 17:08.42 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05: ? camera? |
| 17:09.04 | Sysaxed | umm, camera?? |
| 17:09.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/c761d13100 |
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| 17:09.48 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05: that screenshot was made with scrot. I'm not following you :) |
| 17:10.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | what ever scrot might be (sounds like a crippled scrotum ;-D ) |
| 17:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm using pastebinit or similar tools, which has the advantage to paste plain text you highlighted before |
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| 17:11.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | conveniently reduces amount of data to shuffle |
| 17:12.02 | Sysaxed | scrot is a screen capturing tool, it is the default screenshoting tool in most distros actually |
| 17:12.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh |
| 17:13.23 | Sysaxed | so how do I meet these dependencies? Or can I just use -d flag? |
| 17:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, this thing here is called Ksnapshot, but honestly I only use it when I *really* need pictures and not for console text |
| 17:15.15 | Sysaxed | well, yeah, but it takes me less than 5 seconds to take a screenshot and paste the link |
| 17:15.55 | Sysaxed | but whatever, I will use pastebin next time if you want so :) |
| 17:16.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | the KDE pastebin applet in widgets bar is surprisingly called pastebin |
| 17:16.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it takes me prolly 4 s to upload sth |
| 17:16.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/3b2582a5f3 |
| 17:17.38 | Sysaxed | yeah |
| 17:17.43 | Sysaxed | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-12-23-191740_454x98_scrot.png |
| 17:18.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | too bad it takes me 8s to download the bloat |
| 17:19.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I can't c&p it to refer to it or edit it for some fixing |
| 17:19.18 | Sysaxed | anyway, how can I fix these dependency problems in scratchbox? :) |
| 17:19.26 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05: you're right |
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| 17:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I can't help with SB |
| 17:20.47 | thedead1440 | Sysaxed: you just need to apt-get install those missing packages? |
| 17:20.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | others might, but they might want to first c&p your command and reproduce your results locally |
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| 17:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ten edit it to verify what they want to suggest, then pastebin their modified command set |
| 17:22.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | then* |
| 17:22.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just trying to suggest a better way to post questions when they refer to commandline input/output |
| 17:23.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | png also doesn't really scale well to other screen resolutions and sizes |
| 17:24.14 | thedead1440 | agreed doc; i have to keep scrolling to see whats going on once firefox is occupying half my screen |
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| 17:28.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might want to search for.... the list of unmet dependencies I had c&p to here or to grep, when this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-12-23-190359_1095x494_scrot.png wasn't a bitmap that's not possible to c&p any text from there |
| 17:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | err text2html |
| 17:29.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope texi2html |
| 17:29.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess i made my point |
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| 17:31.19 | Sysaxed | http://privatepaste.com/4672951600 |
| 17:32.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | see if you can `host google.com` |
| 17:32.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply `ping google.com` |
| 17:33.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks to me like a connectivity/DNS problem |
| 17:34.01 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: "fakeroot apt-get install texinfo gs-common texi2html autotools-dev autoconf libasound2-dev ed" |
| 17:34.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: W: Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' |
| 17:34.31 | Sysaxed | whatever, I fixed my apt-get |
| 17:34.35 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: but yeah, you need to fix your DNS first, check you network kard settings |
| 17:34.55 | freemangordon | card even |
| 17:35.29 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: is it building now? |
| 17:35.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | HMMM 404 |
| 17:35.44 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 17:36.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz maybe? |
| 17:36.33 | freemangordon | yep, /etc/apt/sources.list needs to be fixed |
| 17:37.31 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: http://pastebin.com/XygUdn21 |
| 17:38.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | is evil[TM] - just thought it would be funny to send a .png |
| 17:39.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly beating a dead horse, eh? |
| 17:40.49 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: http://privatepaste.com/117e3131f8 |
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| 17:41.32 | Sysaxed | AH |
| 17:41.46 | Sysaxed | no.. |
| 17:42.02 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: you're missing nikia-binaries |
| 17:42.08 | freemangordon | *nokia |
| 17:43.59 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: comment "maemo extras" repo, add nokia-binaries and apt-get update/apt-get upgrade |
| 17:47.53 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: http://privatepaste.com/8b6ad0a9ad |
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| 17:50.00 | freemangordon | whaaaat? |
| 17:50.04 | freemangordon | "/var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5_i386.deb" |
| 17:51.22 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: no idea why it tries to install 386 package in armel SB |
| 17:51.32 | Sysaxed | yes, this is weird. |
| 17:52.20 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: hmm, try to install nokia-applications metapackage |
| 17:52.58 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: "fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps" |
| 17:54.32 | thedead1440 | just a wild guess but check the nokia binaries in the sources.list, is x86 enabled instead of armel? There are both options iirc... |
| 17:56.08 | freemangordon | thedead1440: hmm I don;t see such options |
| 17:56.57 | thedead1440 | oh ok then i must have seen that in skeiron's listing of nokia binaries... |
| 17:57.41 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: http://privatepaste.com/b385fed46d |
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| 17:58.08 | Sysaxed | something is wrong here... |
| 17:58.24 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: hmm, did you try to install build-essentiols? |
| 17:58.34 | freemangordon | build-essentials* |
| 17:58.58 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: anyway, you somehow managed to break the fremantle_armel target |
| 17:59.03 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: no, but same thing - lots of dependencies unsatisfied |
| 17:59.18 | freemangordon | you'd better delete it and create it from scratch |
| 17:59.20 | freemangordon | it is easy |
| 17:59.28 | Sysaxed | okay, then I just start the vmware image from scratch |
| 17:59.38 | freemangordon | even better |
| 17:59.41 | Sysaxed | and start from scratch* |
| 17:59.47 | Sysaxed | not hard indeed |
| 17:59.57 | Sysaxed | okay... |
| 17:59.58 | freemangordon | yep |
| 17:59.59 | Sysaxed | thanks! |
| 18:00.02 | freemangordon | np |
| 18:00.24 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: I won;t be available to help until tomorrow :) |
| 18:00.36 | freemangordon | so - wish you luck |
| 18:01.02 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: you may read http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation to get some idea what it is all about |
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| 18:01.31 | Sysaxed | freemangordon: I think that I have everything needed, thank you very much :) |
| 18:02.04 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: great, anyway, check 12 on that page |
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| 18:53.28 | Sysaxed | YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:53.31 | Sysaxed | IT IS WORKING |
| 18:54.14 | Sysaxed | and even more than then |
| 18:54.36 | Sysaxed | if previously I had to use 'flite -t test -o - | play-sound -' |
| 18:54.53 | Sysaxed | now you can just 'flite -t test' |
| 19:00.02 | Sicelo | what is flite? |
| 19:03.27 | Sysaxed | Sicelo: text-to-speech software |
| 19:03.34 | Sysaxed | similar to espeak or festival |
| 19:03.50 | Gh0sty | :o |
| 19:03.56 | Sysaxed | but the voice is much better, imo |
| 19:04.00 | Gh0sty | always been dreaming of text-to-speech to enable on irc :p |
| 19:04.11 | Gh0sty | so I can just follow irc conversations while standing in traffic :p |
| 19:04.15 | Gh0sty | how cool would that be! :p |
| 19:04.16 | Sysaxed | also it does not freak out if you pass time to it, like 12:35 |
| 19:04.22 | Gh0sty | and speech to text to reply back! :D |
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| 19:05.04 | Sysaxed | now I have to understand how to get that into maemo repos.. :) |
| 19:15.07 | vakkov | hey guys, i need some help. I am building a kernel and for some reason it hangs after u-boot says "Starting kernel". Is there a way to see what's going on? (probably Pali knows the answer but he's not here) |
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| 19:26.56 | unclouded | vakkov: have you got the framebuffer console compiled in and a kernel command-line parameter that says to use it? |
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| 19:29.29 | vakkov_ | yes, it's on |
| 19:29.30 | vakkov_ | seems that the kernel doesn't start .. have had this problem before but can't remember what the solution was |
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| 19:40.09 | Sicelo | vakkov: test loading the kernel with flasher |
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| 20:29.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | T2S -> pocketsphinx |
| 20:29.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | err S2T |
| 20:30.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody made it "work" already, for maeo |
| 20:30.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo* |
| 20:30.52 | Defiant | compiling pocketsphinx on n900 is not that hard... |
| 20:31.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsphinxbase-dev/ |
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| 20:32.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/pocketsphinx-utils/ |
| 20:33.12 | Defiant | 0.6 is way too old |
| 20:33.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, I bet noboy did anything for it since 2 years |
| 20:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody, but ... same |
| 20:34.08 | Defiant | nothing major... |
| 20:34.25 | Defiant | but some bugfixes happen...like memory leak fixes |
| 20:36.05 | Win7Mac | is it correct to say that maemo makes use of "quite outdated" HW and that it is probably hard to find corresponding HW where it would work on? |
| 20:36.36 | Win7Mac | or better, actuall devices that would run maemo |
| 20:37.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 20:37.04 | Defiant | why do you want to say that? |
| 20:37.14 | Win7Mac | another mail from ghana... |
| 20:39.02 | Win7Mac | their asking for help for a new maemo-distro/UI (not very clear) and I wonder what HW they would make use of since they won't build their own device |
| 20:39.41 | Defiant | you can always try to port it on new hardware.. |
| 20:40.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | except the proprietary blobs of course |
| 20:40.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | which need RE |
| 20:40.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | see FPTF |
| 20:41.30 | Defiant | fptf? |
| 20:41.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf |
| 20:41.36 | infobot | fptf is, like, the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 20:42.41 | Defiant | hmm.. |
| 20:42.51 | Win7Mac | has it been done before? any recent device running maemo? |
| 20:44.11 | Win7Mac | with all the basic functionality running ofc |
| 20:44.20 | Defiant | damn. this is a real long list of closed packages |
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| 20:45.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why Neo900 aims at binary compatibility |
| 20:46.16 | Defiant | sounds like no armhf |
| 20:46.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise would could have... used a snapdragon based platform ;-P |
| 20:46.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/would/we/ |
| 20:47.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | or at least OMAP5 |
| 20:48.01 | Defiant | I doubt you would have been able to get one. |
| 20:48.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | we are able to get them |
| 20:48.24 | Defiant | at least for Omap4 there was a real high number for mininum order |
| 20:48.29 | Win7Mac | i think that's basically what I meant, no *actual* cpu/gpu combo works ootb, right? |
| 20:48.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | OOTB? no |
| 20:49.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing works OOTB, except N900 |
| 20:49.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | for fremantle |
| 20:49.33 | Win7Mac | ...or that could be "hacked" easily |
| 20:50.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends whom you ask |
| 20:51.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle works on beagleboard, after 6h of adaption work. 80% at least |
| 20:51.12 | Win7Mac | I'm trying to find the right words for my answer to them. I think they underestime the HW-part... |
| 20:51.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think they have no clue |
| 20:51.57 | Win7Mac | sounds a bit like that, yeah |
| 20:52.25 | Win7Mac | is it feasable with some community-support? |
| 20:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, since I will suggest community doesn't support a concurrent project to FPTF |
| 20:53.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | if those dudes want to use fremantle on a different platform or otherwise tweak it, they shall contribute to FPTF |
| 20:53.45 | Win7Mac | well, if all that is resolved, they have what they want, no? |
| 20:54.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | we won't open a sencong front |
| 20:54.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | second |
| 20:55.11 | Win7Mac | ok, I'll mention that thread, thanks |
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| 21:01.07 | Defiant | hmm |
| 21:01.58 | Win7Mac | ideas what to respond still welcome! |
| 21:02.32 | hbib2 | Win7Mac: From ghana? Is there any information their project? |
| 21:03.55 | Win7Mac | LuneShield Technologies Group... basically some students from ghana, nothing found in google |
| 21:04.27 | Win7Mac | The group consists of IT enthusiasts |
| 21:04.28 | Win7Mac | and developers of High School based in Ghana. We are currently working |
| 21:04.28 | Win7Mac | on a Development Project to improve upon education in Ghana and Africa |
| 21:04.28 | Win7Mac | at large. Our work through innovation would help bridge the gap |
| 21:04.28 | Win7Mac | between advanced schools and deprived ones. All this cannot be |
| 21:04.28 | Win7Mac | achieved without the dynamic and exquisite ecosystem of the Maemo |
| 21:04.31 | Win7Mac | Community with the Hildon Foundation. LuneShield Group hopes to |
| 21:04.33 | Win7Mac | establish a relationship with Hildon Foundation(Maemo Community) so as |
| 21:04.35 | Win7Mac | to aid in achieving our objectives. |
| 21:04.39 | Win7Mac | oops, sorry |
| 21:05.44 | Sicelo | how sure are you that's not spam? |
| 21:06.21 | Win7Mac | quite |
| 21:06.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's advanced spam |
| 21:06.36 | Win7Mac | 4th mail already |
| 21:07.17 | Win7Mac | and that guy exists, already googled him |
| 21:07.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | the dynamic and exquisite ecosystem of the Maemo - BWAHAHAHA |
| 21:07.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I yeah, I googled too and found at least 5 guys with that name |
| 21:08.03 | Win7Mac | he's being poöite I guess |
| 21:08.16 | Win7Mac | polite and nice* |
| 21:09.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | 5 students planning to start a business exploiting a OS they can get for free |
| 21:09.38 | Win7Mac | "The group consists of IT enthusiasts and developers of High School based in Ghana. We are currently working on a Development Project to improve upon education in Ghana and Africa at large. Our work through innovation would help bridge the gap between advanced schools and deprived ones. All this cannot be achieved without the dynamic and exquisite ecosystem of the Maemo Community with the Hildon Foundation. LuneShield Group hopes to establish a relat |
| 21:09.39 | Win7Mac | ionship with Hildon Foundation(Maemo Community) so as to aid in achieving our objectives." |
| 21:09.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo is most open, by hierarchy |
| 21:10.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | err you already posted that |
| 21:12.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | if those guys had a faintest idea what is maemo and how it works, they would try to kick off apublic project instead of approaching HiFo |
| 21:13.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, they can only win by begging HiFo for support. If it's only an account and a VM on maemo servers |
| 21:13.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | but sure they hope for more, best case a working OS for their project delivered by "the dynamic and exquisite ecosystem of the Maemo" for free |
| 21:15.30 | Win7Mac | I don't think it's a hoax and if they're working on an educational program, we should be open imho |
| 21:17.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not a hoax, it's nonsense based on poor information paired with laziness and a mentality to see what you can get |
| 21:18.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | why don't they go for ubuntu? because maemo is so great for their project? NAH! because they can't talk canonical into supporting then, it seems a harder target |
| 21:18.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | them* |
| 21:19.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | or who knows, probably they *did* send same letter to canonical |
| 21:19.42 | Win7Mac | i wondered about ubuntu too, probably you're right, i just don't want to knock their idea |
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| 21:20.03 | Win7Mac | or their approach |
| 21:20.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | suggest to them to read |
| 21:20.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask |
| 21:20.25 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 21:20.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 21:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~question |
| 21:20.31 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 21:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | with a tad of abstraction all in there applies to here as well |
| 21:22.05 | Win7Mac | sure, they're not very clear about wht exactly they want |
| 21:22.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | if they had researched about maemo so much so they can claim it's "dynamic and exquisite ecosystem of the Maemo Community with the Hildon Foundation" they MUST have noticed that their approach is illconceived |
| 21:23.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | since there basicaly is no such thing like an "ecosystem" around maemo (anymore) and particularly there#s just so much hiFo could do about that |
| 21:24.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | the only ecosystem I can see right now is Neo900.org |
| 21:25.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | heck there's not even a ovi store anymore, something that *maybe* dculd get called "ecosystem" |
| 21:25.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | could* |
| 21:26.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | they try to gain maximum return on minimum investment. Seems on you they succeeded - somewhat |
| 21:27.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're already acting as multiplier on their behalf |
| 21:27.33 | Win7Mac | yeah, i'm too soft, probably |
| 21:28.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | though never waste a spam, ask them how we can help ;-P |
| 21:29.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can have weeks of fun watching them asking for all sorts of material and immaterial assets |
| 21:29.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | "could you find somebody donating a faster PC to us?" "could you ask community to review that idea?" |
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| 21:30.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | "do you have development devices?" |
| 21:32.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, ask them what the heck they want from maemo/HiFo |
| 21:33.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>LuneShield Group hopes to establish a relationship with Hildon Foundation(Maemo Community) so as to aid in achieving our objectives." is BS |
| 21:34.12 | Win7Mac | no idea how good their language-skills really are... |
| 21:34.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have no time to build relationships. Those build en passant while doing stuff together |
| 21:34.30 | Win7Mac | right |
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| 21:54.15 | qwazix | I agree with DocScrutinizer05 unfortunately |
| 21:54.39 | qwazix | if it was serious the first thing you'd see would be a commit, not an email |
| 21:55.28 | qwazix | Win7Mac, ^^ |
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| 22:00.57 | Win7Mac | mail sent, qwazix, you still in council-ML? - your last reply regarding this was very helpfull! |
| 22:01.21 | qwazix | seems to me that I am, just received something |
| 22:01.22 | Win7Mac | I actually c+p'ed your answer |
| 22:01.39 | Win7Mac | your last answer to this* |
| 22:02.50 | qwazix | Win7Mac, I never got the intermediate mails though |
| 22:03.36 | Win7Mac | the one you responded to was the second-but-last |
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| 22:03.56 | Win7Mac | so nothing missed for you |
| 22:05.02 | qwazix | :nod: |
| 22:05.21 | qwazix | btw you've got a funny typo |
| 22:05.25 | qwazix | maeomo.org |
| 22:05.27 | qwazix | :) |
| 22:05.56 | Win7Mac | shot... |
| 22:06.21 | qwazix | very nice reply! |
| 22:06.27 | qwazix | spot on |
| 22:06.28 | Win7Mac | thanks! |
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| 22:07.32 | Win7Mac | really need some feedback on this since I'm not 100% sure about the technical stuff |
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