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| 02:43.36 | Woody14619 | heading home for the holiday break. will be back on once setup :) |
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| 07:08.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, Friday night at USA westcoast? |
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| 07:27.00 | wmarone__ | yes |
| 07:27.05 | wmarone__ | for a little longer |
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| 08:26.19 | Psi | anyone know a way to get irreco working again, the DB has been down for years afaik |
| 08:26.38 | Psi | or maybe the path it uses is just invalid now |
| 08:33.25 | sixwheeledbeast | Psi: have you tried Pierogi? It's not the same but includes large number of IR devices in app. |
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| 08:39.21 | Psi | sixwheeledbeast: hm.. will try now thx |
| 08:39.32 | sixwheeledbeast | Psi: what's it for? |
| 08:40.05 | sixwheeledbeast | i.e. what do you wish to control |
| 08:40.23 | Psi | my room lighting |
| 08:40.28 | Psi | and a few TV's |
| 08:41.12 | sixwheeledbeast | most TV's are not problem. How is your room lighting connected to IR? |
| 08:41.57 | Psi | its fine, i built it, so coded the MCU to use the same IR codes as some random device i found in the DB :P |
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| 08:44.32 | sixwheeledbeast | PSI: Ok well you can't change the timing in Pierogi. You will have to pick a keyset panel, maybe the camera one, then change the timings at your end not Pierogi's |
| 08:45.46 | Psi | if pierogi uses the same IR DB as irreco it will have the device i used in the list |
| 08:45.51 | Psi | and i think it does |
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| 08:49.06 | sixwheeledbeast | If you know the device I can check for you? |
| 08:54.28 | Psi | its just called DAT in irreco |
| 08:54.38 | Psi | i think its some digital tape system |
| 08:55.27 | Psi | actually i think i might have edited the file to change the button names. but meh |
| 08:55.40 | Psi | im not worried about getting that going |
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| 09:01.11 | sixwheeledbeast | Psi: I doubt that is in Pierogi but you can recode your MCU to something in Pierogi if you like. |
| 09:03.34 | Psi | yeah |
| 09:03.51 | Psi | http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/sony/DAT |
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| 09:06.31 | Psi | yeah, not in pierogi, i think the sony model number starts with DTC and thers's none of those |
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| 09:13.17 | SAiF | anyone maintains pierogi? |
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| 09:16.09 | SAiF | got mine bootlooping again. without any possible reasons.. |
| 09:16.59 | SAiF | this time I got abt 3 months without flashing.. :) |
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| 09:24.30 | sixwheeledbeast | SAiF: Yes, there is a maintainer. Device bootlooping? |
| 09:25.47 | SAiF | ..yes n900 bootloopng again. I dont remember any recent changes i made |
| 09:26.19 | SAiF | may be because Its a while since I flashed. |
| 09:26.59 | sixwheeledbeast | some package update? |
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| 09:27.58 | SAiF | not in the last week. |
| 09:28.08 | SAiF | what happened is.. |
| 09:29.49 | SAiF | n900 got switched off in the night. That automatic wifi will drain battery, an I was using heavily in the day time. In the morning without bothering to charge it I put the sim in another phone. Now when I charge it without sim, Its bootlooping. |
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| 09:30.28 | sixwheeledbeast | Psi: try the power key search feature in Pierogi to see if you can find a something with that code. |
| 09:31.16 | sixwheeledbeast | ~flatbattrecover |
| 09:31.48 | sixwheeledbeast | ~flatbatrecover |
| 09:31.49 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!. |
| 09:31.58 | sixwheeledbeast | SAiF: ^^ |
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| 09:33.19 | SAiF | sixwheeledbeast: thanks will try that |
| 09:34.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | this does NOT fix botlooping, as is clearly stated in a footnote I recently added! |
| 09:34.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bootloop |
| 09:34.23 | infobot | i heard bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. |
| 09:35.02 | SAiF | Actualy I think its no bootloop, more like flatbatrecover. |
| 09:35.05 | sixwheeledbeast | I suspect's it not a bootloop |
| 09:35.11 | SAiF | :) |
| 09:35.12 | sixwheeledbeast | exactly |
| 09:35.31 | sixwheeledbeast | How can you damage rootfs if device is off! |
| 09:35.53 | sixwheeledbeast | Without a hammer |
| 09:35.56 | sixwheeledbeast | ;) |
| 09:36.03 | SAiF | :) |
| 09:36.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | you usualy damage it when device is up and running, and it *shows* on next boot |
| 09:36.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty easy, any silly fsckup in initscripts or mudules will do |
| 09:36.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | modules* |
| 09:37.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | both won't stop a booted system from working normally. But it reliably casues bootloop on next boot |
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| 09:39.18 | sixwheeledbeast | It could be a ~bootloop, however, if SAiF knows he hasn't been playing with or installing anything best to try ~flatbatrecover first IMO. I was sure he is capable of reading the CAVEAT |
| 09:39.32 | freemangordon | my desktop is dead :( |
| 09:39.42 | sixwheeledbeast | oh dear |
| 09:39.59 | SAiF | dead in the sense? |
| 09:40.05 | SAiF | hw failure? |
| 09:40.09 | freemangordon | doesn't boot |
| 09:40.13 | sixwheeledbeast | PSU? |
| 09:40.27 | freemangordon | most probably mobo |
| 09:40.33 | SAiF | ooh |
| 09:40.39 | freemangordon | or HDD failure |
| 09:40.54 | SAiF | you get any signal while trying to boot? |
| 09:41.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | HDD will still give you bios setup screen |
| 09:41.09 | freemangordon | it tries to boot |
| 09:41.19 | freemangordon | but there are lots of hdd errors |
| 09:41.33 | freemangordon | both win and ubuntu fail to boot |
| 09:41.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 09:41.41 | SAiF | then HDD. |
| 09:41.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 09:41.55 | freemangordon | but i suspect its the mobo |
| 09:42.01 | freemangordon | no, as I have 2 hdds |
| 09:42.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and both throw errors? |
| 09:42.34 | freemangordon | most probably it is the hdd controller |
| 09:42.38 | freemangordon | yes |
| 09:42.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | check your PSU |
| 09:42.50 | freemangordon | it shoudl be ok |
| 09:42.51 | SAiF | try live cd? |
| 09:42.59 | freemangordon | SAiF: what for? |
| 09:43.06 | SAiF | after disconnecting HDDs. |
| 09:43.07 | sixwheeledbeast | Yep I agree test PSU |
| 09:43.09 | zamn900 | good morning |
| 09:43.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | often +12V freaking out causes this |
| 09:43.24 | freemangordon | I just bought a new mobo+cpu+etc |
| 09:43.55 | freemangordon | I don;t think it is the PSU |
| 09:44.22 | freemangordon | mobo is about 4-5 years old |
| 09:44.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ckeck the voltages in live monitoring PSU in BIOS |
| 09:44.46 | freemangordon | hmm, I will |
| 09:45.07 | freemangordon | you suspect 12V is not 12V? |
| 09:45.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suspect it might have glitches or noise |
| 09:45.37 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 09:45.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | would show in unsteady readout for 12V voltage |
| 09:46.06 | freemangordon | btw this failure is a result of a power loss |
| 09:46.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | also when 12V is off by more than 5% it's suspicious |
| 09:46.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm |
| 09:46.38 | freemangordon | yep |
| 09:46.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | PSU is pretty sensible to such events |
| 09:47.03 | freemangordon | PSU is very good one |
| 09:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | power loss often goes hand in hand with bursts and overvoltage on mains line |
| 09:47.32 | sixwheeledbeast | But there could of been a surge on reconnection |
| 09:47.37 | freemangordon | yep, that is why I suspect it is the mobo |
| 09:48.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | the mobo usually doesn't see the surges on mains. that's why you got a PSU |
| 09:48.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 09:48.14 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it was not central power loss, I switched it off by accident |
| 09:48.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh |
| 09:48.23 | sixwheeledbeast | hugs his APC UPS |
| 09:48.46 | freemangordon | yeah, maybe it is about time to by ups finally :) |
| 09:48.59 | freemangordon | buy even |
| 09:49.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | err switched off what? PC or fuse? |
| 09:49.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | your flat? |
| 09:49.19 | freemangordon | outlet :) |
| 09:49.25 | sixwheeledbeast | doh |
| 09:50.04 | freemangordon | hmm, well, I'll buy a new PSU too |
| 09:50.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | when there been multiple devices you switched then odds are recoil from one killed the other |
| 09:50.41 | freemangordon | there is only one printer supply connected to the same outlet |
| 09:50.48 | freemangordon | 220->12 |
| 09:50.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, then not |
| 09:51.20 | freemangordon | oh, and the speakers. but i don't think either of those could cause damage to the PC PSU |
| 09:51.21 | sixwheeledbeast | inkjet printer? |
| 09:51.25 | freemangordon | yes |
| 09:51.38 | freemangordon | and the monitor |
| 09:51.43 | freemangordon | nothing more |
| 09:51.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, get a usb<->SATA(?) adapter and do a physical image of both your HDD *first* |
| 09:51.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | using another PC |
| 09:52.07 | freemangordon | yes, my new mobo+cpu+ram :0 |
| 09:52.11 | freemangordon | :) |
| 09:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw we just had a blade-a/b ALARM |
| 09:52.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 09:52.52 | freemangordon | dammit, I was planning to spend some time on maemo/kernel these days :( |
| 09:52.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe this is HDDs-act-up day |
| 09:53.06 | freemangordon | yeah, maybe |
| 09:53.16 | freemangordon | some cosmic rays :D |
| 09:53.23 | freemangordon | gamma-ray bursts |
| 09:53.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | glares at his HDD |
| 09:53.43 | freemangordon | lock it in the basement :P |
| 09:53.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohplease no gamma rays! those will erase the flash in my SSD |
| 09:56.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | once more got his baffled 2 minutes, looking at a 16GB uSD and figuring how many of those would fit into a CD cover or even in a 50MB HDD as of 1990 |
| 09:57.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | starts to feel old |
| 09:58.55 | Hurrian | oh man, i'd be totally bummed if I had to buy a new PSU. |
| 10:00.30 | freemangordon | well, if it is the PSU I'll be happy, despite I've just spent 500 euros on new compunents |
| 10:00.39 | Psi | you can get 64GB and probably 128GB uSD cards |
| 10:00.40 | freemangordon | *components |
| 10:00.55 | Hurrian | Seasonic power supplies are expensive :/ |
| 10:01.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: I don't need to go to extremes like 128GB uSD and 5MB HDD |
| 10:01.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | it feels bizarre enough using pretty standard values |
| 10:02.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | not only bizarre, actually like unreal |
| 10:02.16 | freemangordon | Hurrian: hmm, what "expensive" is supposed to mean? |
| 10:02.47 | freemangordon | the most expensive PSU I can find here is about 30 euros |
| 10:03.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah |
| 10:03.08 | Hurrian | freemangordon: >$100 - my system's power supply is a Seasonic X-660. |
| 10:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | check the PSUs in maemo server ;-P |
| 10:03.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | they probably have their own PC built in for management |
| 10:03.48 | freemangordon | well, well, it is desktop PC after all, not rack mounted blade with spare PSUs :) |
| 10:03.56 | Hurrian | given how expensive the rest of the components in my system, i really should buy a UPS, but a good UPS is almost the cost of half a tower D: |
| 10:04.02 | Hurrian | *half another desktop tower |
| 10:04.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and do NOTuse cheap UPS, they usually cause more damage than they fight |
| 10:04.52 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: those are some fancy PSUs - server PSUs I've adapted for ATX look like ATX power supplies, but with really big heatsinks :P |
| 10:05.29 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: my PSU clearly recommends using mains, but if it cannot be avoided, power input must be true sine wave. |
| 10:05.33 | freemangordon | actually it seems PC components are pretty cheap here, I bought mobo+4 cores i5+ 16G of ram +2TB hdd for under 500 euros |
| 10:06.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I can monitor them for voltage current, input (mains) voltage, Watt, temperature, fan speed, whatnot else |
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| 10:07.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | efficiency (of course, from all the other values) |
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| 10:08.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | but i failed to do this since at least 6 months now ;-S |
| 10:08.22 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: I assume they're all 80+ efficiency power supplies? ;) |
| 10:08.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 10:09.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | though our maemo server is pretty humble: some <200W, often closer to 100W iirc |
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| 10:11.31 | solofight | As suggested in this room - i tried to install i2c-tools_3.0.2-1maemo3_armel on my nokia n900 and it says "Incompitable application package" |
| 10:12.01 | solofight | i did this because i wanted to install usb host mode application and it says unmet dependencies |
| 10:12.32 | solofight | so the team here suggested to manually install i2ctools and then do a apt-get install host mode app |
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| 10:39.23 | solofight | ! ! ! |
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| 12:15.59 | solofight | As suggested in this room - i tried to install i2c-tools_3.0.2-1maemo3_armel on my nokia n900 and it says "Incompitable application package" |
| 12:16.04 | solofight | i did this because i wanted to install usb host mode application and it says unmet dependencies |
| 12:16.08 | solofight | so the team here suggested to manually install i2ctools and then do a apt-get install host mode app |
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| 13:04.03 | ampharos | it seems the SSL certs on the thing are what i'd like to call "really fucking outdated" - it's causing things like git clones on the device to fail |
| 13:06.07 | ampharos | how can i get new certs? |
| 13:11.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 13:12.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | first I guess you need to literally get them from somewhere |
| 13:13.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | then one you got them there are commands to add them to the cert database on device. Ask freemangordon who iirc has done some work regarding this, for the cert needed for supl.nokia.com |
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| 15:16.24 | spoofy | Hello, I have a problem with maemo fremantle sdk. Where I can find an */eula/token.php mirror? |
| 15:17.38 | spoofy | both http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/eula/token.php and nokia page are down |
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| 15:25.53 | Sicelo | hmm |
| 15:26.10 | Sicelo | don't know if i'm helping you with what you need.. |
| 15:26.32 | Sicelo | ~tablets-dev |
| 15:26.32 | infobot | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ or http://tabletsdev.maemo.org |
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| 15:26.46 | Sicelo | is trying to set this up |
| 15:27.14 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it turned out to be the PSU. |
| 15:27.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | HARR! :-) |
| 15:27.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | believe an old copper eating fart |
| 15:28.05 | freemangordon | at least it booted with the new PSU, will see how it'll continue |
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| 15:28.36 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: sure, but I *HAD* to buy new mobo etc, just in case it is not the PSU |
| 15:28.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, you should immediately switch back to old PSU and check if the error is reproducable |
| 15:28.47 | spoofy | Sicelo: "This maemo.org page got discontinued, please call yout Nokia customer care." |
| 15:29.16 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: no, I wont risk further corruption of filesystmes |
| 15:29.39 | freemangordon | it took 2 reboots for NTFS to recover |
| 15:29.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I don't think there would be much further corruption. You have to run thorough fsck anyway |
| 15:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 15:30.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | NTFS ;-S |
| 15:30.33 | freemangordon | and the cherry - the partition my SB wmware is is FAT32 ;) |
| 15:30.44 | freemangordon | so no, I won't risk it :) |
| 15:30.45 | spoofy | ah and another question - Is there a plans with the new cssu to be on the newer kernel? 3.11/13 or something? |
| 15:30.52 | sixwheeledbeast | As long as you don't switch it off at the outlet, you'll be fine testing the old one. ;) |
| 15:30.53 | spoofy | I heard some rumors.. |
| 15:30.57 | freemangordon | spoofy: yes, there are plans |
| 15:31.09 | freemangordon | but not enough developers ;) |
| 15:31.24 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: no, the PSU seems busted |
| 15:31.43 | spoofy | The "so called" "closed nokia modules" are the main problem? |
| 15:31.43 | freemangordon | and both HDDs fail with it |
| 15:31.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | what? new kernel for CSSU? that's pretty silly an idea |
| 15:31.53 | Sicelo | spoofy: i think the skeiron one worked yesterday when i checked |
| 15:31.54 | freemangordon | spoofy: there are no closed nokia modules |
| 15:32.07 | spoofy | So what is the biggest problem? |
| 15:32.14 | freemangordon | the so called "upstream kernal" is the main problem |
| 15:32.19 | freemangordon | *kernel |
| 15:32.43 | freemangordon | spoofy: you don't want your battery to last 2 hours, ain't? |
| 15:32.48 | sixwheeledbeast | If the error is reproducible as Doc says then dropkick the PSU. |
| 15:33.01 | spoofy | freemangordon: I have a polarcell and dc-16 |
| 15:33.16 | spoofy | god damn it... I can pay that price |
| 15:33.30 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: I'll bring it to my office, we have experienced guys and lots of scopes etc there |
| 15:33.33 | spoofy | I tried so hard to update some pacakges - like webkit, ruby etc |
| 15:33.48 | spoofy | but I always ended up with old kernel dep. |
| 15:33.48 | freemangordon | spoofy: and why do you need newer kernel for that? |
| 15:34.00 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
| 15:35.30 | spoofy | So.. cssu with newer kernel is just a dream? |
| 15:35.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: scope sounds good, yeah |
| 15:35.51 | freemangordon | spoofy: no, but it takes time |
| 15:36.03 | spoofy | Is it related with neo900 project? |
| 15:36.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: make sure you give the thing proper load on output when testing it |
| 15:36.11 | freemangordon | yep |
| 15:36.16 | spoofy | Ok. Thank u |
| 15:36.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | scope on output without load will not show anything useful |
| 15:36.58 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: my coleagues are the guys who support ~95% of the ATMs here, they know how to test a PSU ;) |
| 15:37.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: I like to disagree with freemangordon here, CSSU shouldn't move on to newer kernel, since it's pretty unclear why N900 would need that |
| 15:38.02 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: because we lack the manpower to support 2 CSSUs |
| 15:38.04 | spoofy | The whole fremantle need to be upgraded |
| 15:38.26 | spoofy | that's the main reason why cssu shuld be moved to newer kernel |
| 15:38.29 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: but I don;t want to argue on that right now :) |
| 15:38.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: you lack the manpower to suuport even one CSSU, when that means it ships with new completely different kernel |
| 15:39.16 | freemangordon | I am still happy with my desktop being resurrected |
| 15:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh atm it seems we lack manpower to support CSSU at the stage and state it's right now |
| 15:39.53 | freemangordon | yeah :( |
| 15:40.12 | freemangordon | 17:31 <freemangordon> but not enough developers ;) |
| 15:40.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, since all developers are "wasting time" on 3.12 kernel ;-P |
| 15:41.11 | spoofy | wasting time... eh |
| 15:41.26 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: there is more than enough material for a new update, and I really hope merlin1991 will put it out before 2015 :D |
| 15:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: well, yeah. There's no need for new kernel for fremantle CSSU-S/T |
| 15:42.11 | freemangordon | spoofy: there is 3.13 kernel on gitorious for n900, only cameras are not working |
| 15:42.31 | freemangordon | and there are lots of other issues as well, but relatively minor |
| 15:43.06 | spoofy | Ok. Please tell me why in your opinion - there's no need for new kernel, huh? |
| 15:43.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | we might need or at least want or prefer new kernel for Neo900 |
| 15:43.44 | spoofy | why not n900 as a proof of concept? |
| 15:43.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: no, you tell me why you think there IS any such need |
| 15:44.30 | spoofy | becouse I need newer pacakeges - like newer gstreamer, newer ruby, python, webkit etc. etc. |
| 15:44.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: do you suggest we deploy a proof of concept to 30,000 devices using CSSU as their major update repository? |
| 15:44.56 | freemangordon | spoofy: feel free to help :P https://gitorious.org/linux-n900/linux-n900/source/3cf2f2bd14225bca511c72b2631019443dd17e12: |
| 15:45.31 | spoofy | I don't know how you would like to deploy it. Not a stable version that's for sure |
| 15:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | when YOU need such newer packages then YOU need to install that newer kernel on YOUR device, from whatever source you can find. That's largely unrelated to what CSSU is meant to provide to the majority of maemo N900 users |
| 15:45.46 | spoofy | as a stable version* |
| 15:46.05 | freemangordon | spoofy: DocScrutinizer05 has a point here |
| 15:46.36 | spoofy | I think many n900 users want to have their devices to be 'functional'. |
| 15:46.48 | freemangordon | we may setup a repo with newer kernel and adaptation packages |
| 15:46.57 | freemangordon | to be installed on top of CSSU |
| 15:46.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU is *not* factory/experimental |
| 15:47.09 | spoofy | cssu thumb is |
| 15:47.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 15:47.16 | freemangordon | no, it is not |
| 15:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, not |
| 15:47.21 | spoofy | ... |
| 15:47.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 15:47.24 | spoofy | holy war :) |
| 15:47.51 | spoofy | cssu thumb is fu**ing awsome but it's unstable as hell |
| 15:47.52 | freemangordon | no, really, cssu-thumb is *not* experimental for more than an year |
| 15:47.57 | spoofy | so it IS experimental |
| 15:48.01 | freemangordon | spoofy: whaaat? |
| 15:48.12 | spoofy | IMHO of course |
| 15:48.17 | spoofy | nevermind |
| 15:48.41 | freemangordon | spoofy: it is exactly as stable as cssu-testing is |
| 15:48.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | should be |
| 15:49.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you run it on a non-thombified kernel ;-P |
| 15:49.17 | freemangordon | yeah :) |
| 15:49.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | then for sure it's unstable like hell |
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| 15:51.12 | spoofy | I think that you forget about the "functionality". Have you ever tried to update such a thing like webkit? For eg. the midori developer relesed newer versions with "maemo compatibility" but no one ever tried to build newer midori. The main reason for that is midori need a newer webkit, but newer webkit need newer gstreamer and so long... |
| 15:52.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
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| 15:52.39 | freemangordon | spoofy: well, upstream gecko builds in fremantle SB, I don;t see why webkit can't be ported either |
| 15:53.03 | spoofy | Just.. try it yourself. |
| 15:53.17 | freemangordon | webkit? |
| 15:53.22 | spoofy | yeap |
| 15:53.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha, I see what you're doing there! ;-P |
| 15:53.44 | freemangordon | if I need it someday, I will , for sure |
| 15:53.53 | freemangordon | until then... |
| 15:54.12 | spoofy | eh.. hard life of n900 lover... |
| 15:54.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: I bet damn xchar with python plugin and tab close button lower left removed can't get compiled on fremantle! |
| 15:54.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | xchat even |
| 15:54.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | X-P |
| 15:54.49 | freemangordon | :D |
| 15:56.33 | spoofy | Ok. Now you can tell me how can I install scratchbox with nokia-binaries and fremantle target? maemo_sdk_blah_gui_script.py yelling about eula token. |
| 15:56.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn |
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| 15:57.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | a) I think the gui installer doesn't really work, probably never did |
| 15:57.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | use the script |
| 15:57.51 | freemangordon | spoofy: read the insctructions on maemo wiki ;) http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 15:58.00 | freemangordon | *instructions |
| 15:58.05 | spoofy | freemangordon: thx. I read it few times. |
| 15:58.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | b) if that script has any references to tabletsdev.nokia.com you might want to check them and maybe change them to skeiron |
| 15:58.16 | freemangordon | and http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29 if you need a -thumb target |
| 15:58.39 | spoofy | and yes, gui installer sucks on the newest debian sid. Xephyr newer worked propertly |
| 15:58.59 | freemangordon | spoofy: or just use the VMWare SDK image ;) |
| 15:59.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems a very popular alternative indeed |
| 15:59.37 | spoofy | Also I had an issue with linaro target. I had to export something what I found on tmo. |
| 15:59.53 | spoofy | something about arm..blah nvm |
| 16:04.29 | Sicelo | just hopes the SB script will work fine on Debian Wheezy |
| 16:04.44 | spoofy | It will |
| 16:05.00 | Sicelo | great then. about to finish installing the vm |
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| 16:05.15 | spoofy | Ah I had issue with libgtk-2.0-0 |
| 16:05.27 | spoofy | I had to export PIXMAN_DISABLE=arm-neon |
| 16:05.56 | freemangordon | spoofy: yeah, qemu doesn't like neon instructions :) |
| 16:15.13 | spoofy | Can I ask you one more question freemangordon ? |
| 16:15.24 | freemangordon | sure, go ahead |
| 16:15.36 | spoofy | What do you realy think about mer/sailfish os? |
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| 16:16.28 | freemangordon | nothing :). the last thing I've tried was nemo on n900 and it was not good IMO |
| 16:17.18 | spoofy | Yeah.. couse IMHO fremantle is just a good arm debian true linux distro. Sailfish (IMHO) is not a true linux distro. |
| 16:17.38 | spoofy | If u know what I (in my lame english) mean.. |
| 16:17.57 | freemangordon | I suspect that to be true, but can't really comment as I've never tried sailfish |
| 16:18.47 | spoofy | You think neo900 will success? Or It will be dead/zombie like openmoko |
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| 16:19.10 | FIQ | afaik sailfish is true linux for the backend (unlike android which runs something weird), but the frontend is completely closed-source |
| 16:19.27 | FIQ | i.e. the nemo parts are open, the UI/whatever is not |
| 16:19.29 | freemangordon | spoofy: though AFAIK jolla didn't promise a "true linux distro" :) |
| 16:19.34 | spoofy | yeap - sailfish os = meros + closed sailfish ui |
| 16:20.02 | FIQ | I'm a little concerned whether or not this means that CSSU will, unlike in N900, be completely impossible for jollas |
| 16:20.20 | FIQ | *something like CSSU |
| 16:20.23 | freemangordon | FIQ: see n9/50 ;) |
| 16:20.31 | spoofy | Eh.. I dream about a phone with open linux platform with hw keyboard where I can just type apt-get and install whatever I want to... |
| 16:20.45 | freemangordon | spoofy: get neo900 ;) |
| 16:20.50 | FIQ | spoofy: neo900 |
| 16:20.52 | spoofy | Yeah but.. |
| 16:20.56 | freemangordon | when it is out ofc |
| 16:20.56 | spoofy | I don't know.. |
| 16:21.04 | FIQ | freemangordon: I'm not that involved in n9/50 at all so I dunno how it is like there :p |
| 16:21.19 | FIQ | but afaik, that odd meego/maemo hybrid called harmattan is open? |
| 16:21.24 | freemangordon | FIQ: me neither, but AFAIK there is no CSSU |
| 16:21.28 | FIQ | well, open enough to be able to provide cssu updates |
| 16:21.38 | FIQ | whether or not people actually *do* that is another question though |
| 16:21.55 | freemangordon | FIQ: remember - aegis |
| 16:22.03 | FIQ | freemangordon: isn't that more of a "people haven't bothered" rather than impossible? |
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| 16:22.15 | FIQ | can't you deactivate aegis via flasher? |
| 16:22.21 | freemangordon | FIQ: for sure nothing is impossible |
| 16:22.39 | freemangordon | FIQ: no idea, my n950 gathers dust in the drawer :D |
| 16:22.51 | spoofy | neo900 is just a hardware. IMO fremantle need to be upgraded to be more popular. |
| 16:23.03 | FIQ | freemangordon: sorry, what I meant was, isn't is as possible as on N900, just that people bothered to keep N900 alive, but nothing happened for n9/50 |
| 16:23.32 | FIQ | afaik aegis deactivation is as easy as a flasher flag, but perhaps I'm wrong on that |
| 16:24.06 | spoofy | qt5 ui, candy look - everything is sweet but... How it works under the hood - that is important |
| 16:24.13 | spoofy | ^ about sailfish |
| 16:24.13 | FIQ | spoofy: what do you mean, upgraded? |
| 16:24.23 | FIQ | @fremantle |
| 16:24.29 | spoofy | not again :D I mean newer versions of everything |
| 16:24.35 | FIQ | well |
| 16:24.39 | FIQ | there's CSSU |
| 16:24.43 | FIQ | doesn't get it |
| 16:25.01 | FIQ | fremantle didn't stop being updated just because nokia jumped ship |
| 16:25.29 | FIQ | just like diablo was still getting updates (iirc) for a while after nokia stopped caring, until N900 was released at least |
| 16:25.37 | spoofy | Eh. Nobody understands me. I feel like an emo :D |
| 16:26.33 | spoofy | Maybe I'm stiupid but I see potential of fremantle as an debian based arm distro. |
| 16:27.03 | FIQ | spoofy: you can actually install fremantle on a few ARM devices, but it is hardly stable |
| 16:27.14 | spoofy | like raspi? |
| 16:27.17 | FIQ | "a few" being like, really few |
| 16:27.35 | spoofy | like what? |
| 16:29.21 | FIQ | http://omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_Getting_Started |
| 16:29.39 | spoofy | Ah, about jolla phone - anybody knows is it "open" like n900? I mean bootloader and that kinda stuff. Is it possible (in theory) to install harmattan on jolla phone? |
| 16:30.15 | freemangordon | spoofy: there is a post on TMO about the bootloader |
| 16:30.41 | freemangordon | I am not sure I grok it :) |
| 16:31.13 | FIQ | spoofy: not sure it works on non-omap devices though, or if it'll break horribly :p (but given that even semi-similar devices have major bugs...) |
| 16:31.43 | freemangordon | spoofy: as FIQ said, the last update of fremantle was a month or so ago (minor), a bigger update is comming soon |
| 16:32.18 | freemangordon | which will bring things like newer libglib, e2fsprogs etc |
| 16:32.56 | freemangordon | so I don;t see how is fremantle being "orphaned" or something |
| 16:32.58 | spoofy | Ok ;) For now on on holidays I'll try to finish my little project - ppp. It will bring some newer packages like nmap, ruby etc. |
| 16:33.18 | freemangordon | hmm, nmap is in repos since ages afaik |
| 16:33.27 | spoofy | old version |
| 16:33.31 | freemangordon | pretty much recent version iirc |
| 16:33.43 | freemangordon | hmm, lemme check |
| 16:33.52 | spoofy | please check it |
| 16:34.06 | FIQ | spoofy: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=7694 someone also tried to boot maemo directly w/o any tinkering on RPi and failed (allthough he points out that he lacks knowledge to test further) |
| 16:34.43 | FIQ | not sure if this answers your question on whether or not fremantle is relevant as a general debian arm distro |
| 16:35.02 | spoofy | Eh. I would like to see fremantle as an alternative distro for raspi like devices |
| 16:35.04 | freemangordon | spoofy: in extras-devel is 5-11 |
| 16:35.14 | freemangordon | ops |
| 16:35.16 | spoofy | freemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1313269&postcount=27 |
| 16:35.18 | freemangordon | 5.59 |
| 16:35.29 | spoofy | Now I have the newest |
| 16:35.36 | freemangordon | great |
| 16:36.59 | freemangordon | spoofy: anyway, newer libglib will open the door for newer gstreamer in CSSU |
| 16:37.36 | freemangordon | spoofy: the point being - slowly but steady newer versions are comming |
| 16:37.43 | spoofy | Good to hear. I'll try compile and .deb as much as I can on the holidays. |
| 16:37.56 | Defiant | freemangordon: have the dsp codecs already been ported to gst1.0? |
| 16:37.58 | freemangordon | spoofy: hmm, what about the autobuilder? |
| 16:37.58 | spoofy | Maybe something will be useful |
| 16:38.15 | freemangordon | Defiant: never tried gst1.0 |
| 16:38.37 | freemangordon | Defiant: though I don;t think it will be much of a problem. however I don;t see the point |
| 16:38.50 | Defiant | freemangordon: you just spoke of newer gstreamer |
| 16:39.02 | freemangordon | I don't think fremantle will ever throw .10 away |
| 16:39.18 | spoofy | Anyway I must go. Thank you very much for a talk freemangordon :) |
| 16:39.36 | freemangordon | well, 0.10.36 is newer that 0.10.20 (iirc the stock version) |
| 16:39.41 | freemangordon | spoofy: np |
| 16:39.43 | spoofy | cya :) |
| 16:39.50 | Defiant | aah that "newer" ;) |
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| 16:40.02 | freemangordon | :mod: :) |
| 16:40.07 | freemangordon | *:nod: |
| 16:40.33 | freemangordon | Defiant: the problem is with nokia closed plugins |
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| 16:44.00 | Defiant | closed plugins? ugly |
| 16:44.12 | freemangordon | yeah, iirc |
| 16:44.34 | ampharos | it's going to be one of THOSE days |
| 16:48.00 | FIQ | always found HAM a pita to use |
| 16:49.22 | sixwheeledbeast | ~ham |
| 16:49.22 | infobot | somebody said ham was Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does |
| 16:49.35 | sixwheeledbeast | be patient with it. |
| 16:53.39 | ampharos | i had to break the config file to get ham to load |
| 16:53.42 | ampharos | that's funny |
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| 17:26.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
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