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| 01:43.32 | amonk | Hmm. Something is definitely wrong with that formula, or the number fed to it (i.e. "UTRA channel"), so I'm unfortunately in high doubt again. I switched to a roaming provider that displays 21777 for "UTRA channel," which comes out as 21777 / 5 = 4355, which is pretty far from any defined UMTS frequency. :-/ |
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| 02:10.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | the formula is only the common denominator and has many special rules and extensions |
| 02:11.06 | amonk | Well, I have confirmation on that formula, at least for most circumstances [argh!] (cite: http://www.umtsworld.com/technology/frequencies.htm), *but* 1850.1 is first subtracted from the frequency *if* it's a band II "additional channel" (whatever that vague shit is, and however it's known!). In any case, reversing the formula for a band II "additional channel" doesn't work with 9992 or [especially] 21777 either, so all I can figure is that whatever MeeCel |
| 02:11.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | in te end you will need to use a lookup-table based on 3GPP publications |
| 02:13.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>A UARFCN (abbreviation for UTRA Absolute Radio Frequency Channel Number, where UTRA stands for UMTS Terrestrial Radio Access) is used to identify a frequency in the UMTS frequency bands .Typically channel number is derived from the frequency in MHz through the formula Channel Number = Frequency * 5. However, this is only able to represent channels that are centered on a multiple of 200 kHz, which do not align with licensing in North |
| 02:13.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | America. 3GPP added several special values for the common North American channels.<< |
| 02:13.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UARFCN |
| 02:13.54 | amonk | Well, *if* I could be certain MeeCell is calling UARFCN "UTRA channel," and I could find definitive, *comprehensive* information regarding its calculation, I'd be happy to do that. :) |
| 02:14.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands#UMTS-FDD_Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths last rightmost col |
| 02:14.54 | amonk | Yeah, already read that partially vague, incomprehensive shit, but thanks again. :) |
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| 02:17.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | 9992 seems to be band-3 |
| 02:17.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1800 DCS |
| 02:18.14 | amonk | Yup, thanks. Saw that too (but as a point of fact, it doesn't indicate *when* to use which formula in the many cases were there is an auxiliary formula). |
| 02:18.36 | amonk | Hmm. Looking into that last couple comments. Thanks... |
| 02:18.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I however can't find any 5-digit UARFCN |
| 02:19.01 | amonk | Yeah, and that^ Grrrr! |
| 02:19.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | (when to use formula) those are meant to calculate channel number from frequency |
| 02:19.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | not the other way round |
| 02:19.34 | amonk | And 9992 looked just out of range to me as well. Rechecking based on your comment above now... |
| 02:20.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | you first should make sure you're really looking at a UARFCN at all |
| 02:21.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | then make sure if it's meant for UpLink or for DownLink |
| 02:21.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | then use a LUT to find the associated band |
| 02:21.52 | amonk | RE: "when" : yup, but should work backwards too, even if you have to try both. I just find half-assed anything annoying, especially when it violates the principle of parsimony. I'm used to this shit, but tstill. Grrrrr!!! |
| 02:22.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | (col 4/5:6/7 of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands#UMTS-FDD_Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths) |
| 02:22.25 | amonk | "you first should make sure you're really looking at a UARFCN at all" <-- yeah, that. :) |
| 02:22.50 | amonk | "then make sure if it's meant for UpLink or for DownLink" <-- and that. :) Ug. |
| 02:23.30 | amonk | Why do people so often make the simple hard? Oy vey. :-/ |
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| 02:28.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, their goals were not your goals, they are not interested in the actual RF frequency |
| 02:28.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and tbh I wonder why you are |
| 02:29.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | not means as "meh, doesn't matter" - I'm also interested in that kind of stuff/info, but I don't know why you are |
| 02:30.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe for solving the problem you're tackling there's a simpler way. E.G. when carriers would publish the UARFCN they support |
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| 02:31.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas BB5 modem is really braindamaged when it comes to extended AT commandset |
| 02:32.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe reading ISI specs and implementing an according function on phonet IF level would provide the info you're interested in |
| 02:33.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~isi |
| 02:33.23 | infobot | methinks isi is Ingénierie des Systèmes Informatiques |
| 02:33.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~useless |
| 02:33.28 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
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| 02:47.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | amonk: sth like sftp://jr@lagrange.cloud-7.de:22022/home/jr/www-jr/maemo/hidden/docs/ISI/Wireless Modem API G2 V2 11w05.zip |
| 02:48.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 02:48.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | google for "Wireless Modem API G2 V2 11w05.zip" |
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| 02:53.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G2%20V3%2011w25.zip |
| 03:01.59 | amonk | DocScrutinizer05: Still looking into your DCS comment (though it seems pretty unlikely because I'm using T-Mobile in the USA, which is in the process of moving their UMTS from AWS to PCS [i.e. not DCS, so I *should* be using a UARFCN in band 4 or 2 only, at least when not roaming]. Why am I interested? There are many reasons to want/need to know such things, as you are clearly aware. In this case, I have an old amplifier and antenna, each of which suppo |
| 03:03.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems your client doesn't know about continuation lines |
| 03:03.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | (trunkated at >>I have an old amplifier and antenna, each of which suppo<<) |
| 03:04.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | amplifier?? :-o |
| 03:05.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 not even has an official support to connect external WWAN antenna, not to think about amplifiers |
| 03:05.38 | amonk | DocScrutinizer05: What exactly is that zip file? I am using a Huawei E1691 at the moment (and an internal Iridium document for AT commands that is highly applicable, though for the wrong equipment). Sure would like accurate docs, but my motto is "shitty docs are better than no docs." lol |
| 03:06.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Iridium? douböe-plus- :-O |
| 03:07.29 | amonk | Hmm. Never had that "continuation" issue. Here's the rest (or at least more - lol - let me know). ..."each of which support band 2, so if I am actually using a tower which has already switched to to band 2, I can use the combo to significantly boost my signal in my current location (which is admittedly already pretty good), and thereby increase my bandwidth. :D I *probably* don't really need the UARFCN in this case (need to check my amp and antenna specs |
| 03:07.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably any Iridium docs about AT are the least applicable for GSM/UMTS |
| 03:08.44 | amonk | Their extended Hayes commands have the highest degree of hits I've found for this device. Better doc suggestions quite welcome. :D |
| 03:09.18 | amonk | I was surprised how accurate it is too. |
| 03:10.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | No clue about Huawei E1691 |
| 03:16.28 | nox- | there also is this: http://www.3gpp.org/DynaReport/27007.htm |
| 03:16.45 | nox- | i.e. http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/127000_127099/127007/11.08.00_60/ |
| 03:17.03 | nox- | (at commands etc) |
| 03:18.16 | amonk | It's just a shitty USB stick (needs usb_modeswitch), but I already had it (though I had to unlock it when I went back into the USA - fuckers!), it's pentaband [including AWS] and has an external antenna port. I'll switch to a PCIe inside myblack box at some point, but this works for now. Consumer/COTS devices never have AT docs in my experience. It's always a hack-n-slash proposition. :-/ |
| 03:18.40 | amonk | "What exactly is that zip file?" |
| 03:18.43 | amonk | :) |
| 03:19.21 | amonk | And what is "BB5 modem?" |
| 03:21.05 | amonk | "maybe reading ISI specs and implementing an according function on phonet IF level would provide the info you're interested in" <-- yeah, some good docs on that would probably be pretty handy. :D |
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| 03:30.19 | amonk | nox-: Saw that first like, but it's all "meeting minutes" indirection or something - tl;dr. That second link is a nice bullseye though. That's probably more accurate than my Iridium docs - lol. Will check it out later. Thanks. :) |
| 03:30.34 | amonk | s/like/link/ |
| 03:30.55 | amonk | inb4 :-P |
| 03:31.35 | nox- | the first link links the second |
| 03:31.55 | nox- | `RTS/TSGC-0127007vb80' in the right column |
| 03:31.58 | amonk | DocScrutinizer05: And... why are *you* interested in such things? :) |
| 03:32.59 | amonk | nox-: yeah, I'm sure it does if you dig around through all the links enough, but it was too much bureaucratic crap for me to digest at the time. :) |
| 03:33.28 | amonk | Thanks again for the direct hit! :D |
| 03:37.16 | amonk | I was in too big a hurry at the time. I clicked on like 3 out of 200 damn links with no joy, gave up and moved on. My bad. |
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| 04:11.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | amonk: well, I do stuff like Neo900.org, or http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html |
| 04:15.26 | amonk | Sa-weeeet! Saw Neo900 pop up recently. Sooo interested in that. I have two N900s, so I'll definitely Neo one. :D |
| 04:19.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP_U91ipVWsF_2EiG3s6BKA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj_iJXZCYVI&noredirect=1 |
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| 04:32.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | so watching the second youtube link and reading the openmoko.org ML mail from 2008 it's based upon, you see why I'm interested in such stuff. It allows me to come up with ideas like this |
| 04:34.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for example that idea which provides Germany-wide location to an accuracy of up to 50m, without relying on GPS at all, I think that's worth it to learn about that stuff |
| 04:35.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and when we can get sufficient control over the modem in Neo900, I might implement this locating function there, thus providing another very unique selling point for the Neo900 |
| 04:36.31 | nox- | does that only work with an o2 sim tho? |
| 04:37.26 | amonk | DocScrutinizer05: Cool link on location stuff. Here's one from me. :) http://www.evdoforums.com/thread7394.html ...although EVDOforums cut the end off as being probably a little too "in yer face." lol It said... "P.S. And tell Dave Taylor to ask Kyle Amon!" With a link to... http://www.askdavetaylor.com/sprint_sierra_wireless_aircard_595_with_mac_os_x/ I don't know if he still does, but at the time, that clown was charging people to ask him geek qu |
| 04:37.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | the gauss-wegener coords are only available on O2(-Germany) BTS afaik. For other carriers you need a database about the location of BTS, which are already available for many carriers and countries |
| 04:38.00 | nox- | ok |
| 04:38.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | amonk: you're also cutting off the ends... of your posts |
| 04:39.37 | amonk | Huh. Not me. Maybe some new option I activated a while back. I'll look into it soonish. Where did the last one end? |
| 04:40.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* - prolly after the same cunt of chars as the 2 or 3 previous truncated ones |
| 04:40.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask him geek qu |
| 04:41.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | count, even |
| 04:42.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever MYOB IRC is, it doesn't know to handle overlength posts |
| 04:45.38 | amonk | MYOB is my custom CTCP version response to "Mind Your Own Business." lol |
| 04:47.23 | amonk | It used to know. I must have broken it lately when mucking with it. :-/ Thanks for letting me know. Will put it into the fixit fifo. ;) |
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| 05:10.10 | amonk | Hadn't seen OpenPhoenux yet (or OHSW). Nice. Thanks. :) |
| 05:10.34 | amonk | DocScrutinizer05: Are you the main driver of Neo900? |
| 05:10.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, prolly yes |
| 05:11.12 | amonk | cool. respect. :) |
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| 11:05.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
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| 11:20.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/12/16/plasma-desktopGw3389.png ;-D |
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| 11:25.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | wishes the N900 BB5 modem would support this AT command OOTB |
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| 11:34.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | at^smoni |
| 11:34.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^SMONI: 2G,786,-101,262,03,2401,8EEB,--,--,3,1,G,LIMSRV |
| 11:36.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is without any antenna(!) (-101dBm BCCH signal level) and no SIM (= LIMSRV, only 911 calls allowed) |
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| 11:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus, without antenna: no neighbour cells |
| 11:39.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | at^smonp=255 |
| 11:39.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2G: |
| 11:39.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ----,--,----,---,---,-,-,--,--,----,----,--,-- |
| 11:39.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3G: |
| 11:39.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | -----,---,-----,---- |
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| 12:05.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | FEDEX TRACKING NUMBER "7.975234E+11" -- not found! O*M*G!!!! |
| 12:06.04 | jaska | :D |
| 12:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | headdesks |
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| 12:06.48 | jaska | ive seen phone numbers as doubles before |
| 12:07.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly how hard can it be to print a tracking number as string and not as scientific number |
| 12:07.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | JOLLA!!!!!!!! |
| 12:07.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | PLEEEEEAAAASE! |
| 12:07.39 | jaska | ? |
| 12:07.48 | zamn900 | wt |
| 12:07.50 | zamn900 | .. |
| 12:17.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | now I converted that shit to sth like 797523400000 and fedex tells me >>Not foun dNo record of this tracking number can be found. For more information, please contact Customer Service at 1.800.GoFedEx 1.800.463.3339<< - now if only I knew if I got the number right, or this is just a bogus crippled number the fsckdup Jolla mailing script created from the actual 12 (non-zero) digits of the true tracking number |
| 12:18.49 | Raimu | Haha, "I rounded it up for you" |
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| 12:35.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | not only Jolla fails to send proper multipart/alternative or even plaintext mails, now they send out my device and tell me to check/track on fedex with a float as tracking-ID. I bet this parcel will retur to them, since I can't catch the fedex drone which will inevitably result in "Address not found, return to sender" |
| 12:38.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course the mail is from <noreply@jolla.com> THANKYOU! |
| 12:39.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure I'll call US-fedex customer service now, to find out that they also need at least proper tracking number - for a parcel adressed at GERMANY >:-( |
| 12:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly wonder how much you can mess up with one device to ship |
| 12:42.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the great t-shirt I got a tracking number 3 months before they shipped, I have no clue how that would've helped - unless I had checked every day if maybe status of my parcel changed |
| 12:43.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | angrily switches off the PHS8-P Neo900-protoboard, to not drain battery while ranting about silly Jolla. Then heads out to do more pleasant things |
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| 13:22.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>we are very sorry that you have received the wrong tracking code. |
| 13:22.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | The lack of tracking code is due to a technical error and we are currently trying to solve this and resend your code. |
| 13:22.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | The good news is that your Jolla is on its way and you should receive it within a few days! |
| 13:22.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Thank you for your patience!<< |
| 13:23.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOT without tracking number, sorry Jolla but FEDEX is as silly as you are, just for not finding the door in our house |
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| 13:24.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I don't think this are exactly the good news |
| 13:25.42 | ampharos | calling it, jolla deader than n9 on arrival |
| 13:25.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | right |
| 13:26.27 | ampharos | i bet 50 east german marks |
| 13:27.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least they hired a premium first level help desk and customer care |
| 13:28.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | which actually answers in 20min and is indeed capable of sending plain text mails instead of HTML-only |
| 13:40.33 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; i heard if you take order number (either the long one, or the short one in the url in my orders), you can find package by reference on fedex |
| 13:40.50 | ShadowJK | Also, many people reported jolla arriving before tracking code email |
| 13:41.24 | ShadowJK | So your jolla might be halfway to Uzbekistan already, or wherver fedex's "Convenient" stash of "recipient not at home" packages go |
| 13:41.27 | ShadowJK | :/ |
| 13:42.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 13:42.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't get the "order number" trick |
| 13:44.00 | ShadowJK | Ya dunno, think someone was hacking randomm copypasted numbers into fedex and accidentally found their jolla |
| 13:52.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think that doesn't work |
| 13:52.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't come up with more made up numbers that have any relation to my order. And the ones I tried are almost all invalid |
| 13:53.23 | ShadowJK | not tracking numbers, but by reference |
| 13:53.27 | ShadowJK | whatever that means |
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| 14:26.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see a way to serch "by refrence" on fedex |
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| 14:31.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's "frachtbriefnummer" you can serch for, but that doesn't yield any result either |
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| 14:33.49 | ShadowJK | ircers said it was a page with src dst countries and "reference" |
| 14:33.52 | ShadowJK | shrugs |
| 14:34.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 14:36.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have a hex "order id" and "Order #200001553 - Shipped" from https://shop.jolla.com/sales/order/view/order_id/3147/ and "Your Shipment #200000382 for Order #200001553" from that nonsensical mail |
| 14:36.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | then there's "SKU 311013103A1110131001" which I bet is same for every customer |
| 14:37.13 | ShadowJK | and scientific notation tracking number |
| 14:37.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 14:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | which most definitely has 6 digits rounded away |
| 14:39.28 | ShadowJK | what's your postal code? |
| 14:39.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm feeling pretty pissed about jolla stealing my time |
| 14:39.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | 90429 |
| 14:41.54 | ShadowJK | found it |
| 14:42.41 | ShadowJK | i think they attempted deliver already :P |
| 14:42.48 | ShadowJK | tries to figure out how to link this |
| 14:44.23 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: fedex.de -> verfolgen dropdown (oben mitte) -> Per referenznummer verfolgen (ganz rechts 2tes von unten) |
| 14:44.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kunde nicht angetroffen oder Geschäft geschlossen |
| 14:44.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | >:-(( |
| 14:44.54 | ShadowJK | you found it too? |
| 14:45.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, finally |
| 14:45.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird shit |
| 14:45.25 | ShadowJK | so it's on its way to fedex pickup point in Uzbekistan then |
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| 14:55.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 14:56.24 | ShadowJK | :D |
| 14:56.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | if Jolla had asked, I could've told them that fedex regularly fails to understand that the door of our house is at the backside |
| 14:56.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and thus sending by fedex is generally useless |
| 14:57.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I won't make a door at frontside for the fedex idiot |
| 14:57.51 | ShadowJK | I hate couriers |
| 14:57.58 | ShadowJK | Except one, that was awesome |
| 14:58.22 | ShadowJK | The doors were locked, and I was away, but he managed to get in, and had left parcel on kitchen table :D |
| 14:58.34 | till | DocScrutinizer05 i got the same.. |
| 14:58.49 | till | although I was at home during the time noted.... |
| 14:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: LOL |
| 14:58.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | burglar |
| 14:59.05 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 15:00.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | till: I was at home too, but I didn't know I had to hang out of the window and wait for the fedex dummy to stop in front of my house |
| 15:01.10 | till | we even have a small shop in our house, but they didn't delivered there but just put a note "we missed you". and nothing about how to continue.. |
| 15:01.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | since Jolla didn't manage to send this idiotic mail before the parcel arrived and moved on |
| 15:01.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 15:01.36 | till | dhl ftw |
| 15:01.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 15:01.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | fedex is abysmal |
| 15:02.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | they are so busy delivering parcels a second and third time that they have no time doing it right on the first try |
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| 15:02.47 | till | the support chat now changed the address to my office |
| 15:02.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then they complain that they don't earn money |
| 15:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | support chat? hah, I failed to even get there |
| 15:04.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | which maybe is a good thing, since otherwise random rogue person would redirect my parcel to Russia |
| 15:04.04 | till | well I don't want to pay more money for their support hotline... |
| 15:04.19 | till | and there is no note about a second try |
| 15:04.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I at least have "will retry tomorrow" |
| 15:05.20 | till | every other courier just deliveres to the small shop downstairs... but not fedex.... |
| 15:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | also supposedly there's a miss tag on my door (no it's not) or somewhere where I yet have to spot it |
| 15:05.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 15:06.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | every other courier delivers to my neighbour, particularly since I alwas write "c/o <neighbour1>/<neighbour2>", but sure, not fedex |
| 15:07.24 | till | well, tomorrow will be exactly one week until christmas... |
| 15:08.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | tomorrow will be early enough to check if "does it blend?" |
| 15:09.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't think of anything else I would want to do with jPhone, since it comes without flasher |
| 15:10.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe sell on ebay and make a few bucks |
| 15:11.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already hate that device before I have seen it a single time |
| 15:11.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that experience today didn't help, not at all |
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| 15:57.56 | Win7Mac | surprised to see you ordered a jolla, Doc, but... just to find out if it blends? |
| 15:58.13 | ampharos | nah, see how bad the dumbkopfs were |
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| 16:03.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf? |
| 16:03.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess none of my last 4 lines made it? |
| 16:03.39 | Win7Mac | no |
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| 16:03.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: I regret I didn't preorder 5 |
| 16:03.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: best deal ever, they go on ebay for 250% |
| 16:03.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, if I had the money, I should've preordered 100 |
| 16:03.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then have a looooong holiday and forget about all this mess |
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| 16:05.04 | Win7Mac | but why you bought it? you build your own device after all... |
| 16:06.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I usually like to disassemble and scrutinize hardware. But not this one, since it's maximum boring and has not a single interesting aspect. Qualcom Snapdragon, no schematics, no docs for SoC, not even a flasher... |
| 16:07.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I only can keep my level of experise by learning from other designs and see where they had good ideas, or maybe where they failed and I should avoid to do same mistake |
| 16:07.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jolla doesn't even serve for the latter |
| 16:09.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: but I didn't know any of those details when preorder window been open |
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| 16:10.00 | Win7Mac | you could develop other halves, which btw is quite similar to N900 design ;) |
| 16:10.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know, they copied GTA04 |
| 16:10.20 | Win7Mac | hehehe |
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| 16:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I asked stskeeps about details/docs regarding TOH I2C interface, so I could start a tiny project to build hw-kbs-TOH. Answer: NULL* |
| 16:11.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/kbs/kbd/ |
| 16:12.07 | Win7Mac | some others from jolla on tmo too |
| 16:12.15 | Win7Mac | rainisto e.eg. |
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| 16:12.35 | Win7Mac | w00t |
| 16:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | so? |
| 16:12.51 | Win7Mac | sure |
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| 16:13.36 | Win7Mac | MSameer too |
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| 16:22.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: honestly, I don't feel like supporting this "project". It doesn't feel right to me, it seems even worse than maemo/meego ever been |
| 16:22.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is my personal take on it, of course I'll support community on their following the rat piper |
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| 16:25.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | pied piper? hmmm |
| 16:25.36 | Win7Mac | still its a better alternative to the 2,5 big players |
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| 16:30.32 | Win7Mac | any idea why the timestamps in Hexchat shows actual time for all missed lines. Is this a client- or znc-problem? |
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| 16:31.09 | Win7Mac | I mean actual time = time of opening hexchat |
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| 16:32.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is a feature of clients |
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| 16:32.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ZNC offers the true timestamp, either leading or trailing |
| 16:33.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | moin dos1 |
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| 16:35.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/12/16/plasma-desktopNa3389.png |
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| 16:37.15 | vi__ | does jolla use the same VM task swap BS that makes android suck so many asses? |
| 16:37.57 | Win7Mac | thanks, unfortunately I seem to have no settings for that in Hexchat |
| 16:38.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's ZNC! |
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| 16:40.18 | Win7Mac | I know, but you said "it's a client feature" |
| 16:40.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | the timestamp you see is a client feature |
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| 16:40.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | <Win7Mac> any idea why the timestamps in Hexchat shows actual time for all missed lines. Is this a client- or znc-problem? <DocScrutinizer05> this is a feature of clients |
| 16:40.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | client can't know what's a "missed line" |
| 16:40.20 | Win7Mac | Hexchat = client, ZNC = bouncer |
| 16:40.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it would, you wouldn't need a bouncer |
| 16:40.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | so each client tags all inbound lines with current time |
| 16:41.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ZNC however has an option to tag the lines in "body" with the "true" timestamp |
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| 16:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | so for "missed lines" you get *two* tmestamps |
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| 16:43.28 | Win7Mac | so it *is* a setting in ZNC... what would the format be then? (like [%H:%M:%S]) |
| 16:44.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I told you [2013-12-16 17:32:53] <DocScrutinizer05> ZNC offers the true timestamp, either leading or trailing |
| 16:44.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-12-16 17:37:32] <DocScrutinizer05> that's ZNC! |
| 16:44.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/12/16/plasma-desktopNa3389.png |
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| 16:52.17 | Win7Mac | got it, thanks |
| 16:57.16 | ShadowJK | This N900 seems to corrupt optfs rather frequently.. |
| 16:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeek |
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| 17:07.46 | ShadowJK | another trip to backupmenu.. |
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| 17:12.59 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 17:13.08 | ShadowJK | looks unfixable fs |
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| 17:21.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | eMMC nroken? |
| 17:21.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | broken even |
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| 17:30.56 | ShadowJK | dunno |
| 17:31.15 | ShadowJK | each fsck pass seems to make it worse |
| 17:31.25 | ShadowJK | Had an unexpected shutdown earlier today, mightve started from that |
| 17:31.36 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: which fsck? |
| 17:31.43 | freemangordon | what version that is |
| 17:31.55 | ShadowJK | whatever is in backupmenu |
| 17:33.01 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: does backupmenu comes with its own fsck? |
| 17:33.30 | ShadowJK | Yeah I think so |
| 17:34.28 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: in cssu-devel there is pretty much recent e2fsprogs (or whatever it is called), the other option is to boot RescueOS |
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| 17:38.28 | ShadowJK | 1.4.1.3.maemo0 |
| 17:40.03 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: in cssu-devel is 1.42.5-1.1maemo1, it is stable, will be included in next cssu-t |
| 17:40.41 | ShadowJK | restored from backup, as 1.4.1... made a mess :) |
| 17:40.53 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: iirc rescueos comes with 1.42.7 |
| 17:41.51 | freemangordon | yeah, stock fsck is famous that it segfaults while repairing the fs :D |
| 17:42.09 | freemangordon | leaving mess all aound |
| 17:42.14 | freemangordon | around even |
| 17:42.21 | sixwheeledbeast | Wasn't fsck on stock maemo causing NFS stale issues and corruption? |
| 17:42.39 | sixwheeledbeast | fmg beat me to it |
| 17:42.57 | ShadowJK | oh god |
| 17:43.04 | ShadowJK | did cssu enable fsck on boot? |
| 17:43.10 | ShadowJK | that'd explain a thing or two |
| 17:43.14 | sixwheeledbeast | t8.1 IIRC |
| 17:43.23 | ShadowJK | facepalms |
| 17:43.32 | sixwheeledbeast | see changelog |
| 17:43.45 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: only for a while, there was a follow-up update that disabled it |
| 17:43.58 | freemangordon | and that was 6 months or so ago |
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| 17:44.15 | ShadowJK | ok, so "NFS Stale" came onto fs without fsck help then |
| 17:44.26 | freemangordon | (unless there is a new update I am not aware of :) ) |
| 17:46.23 | sixwheeledbeast | T8.0 enabled it, T8.1 disabled it. |
| 17:46.40 | sixwheeledbeast | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog |
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| 20:47.47 | Ori_88 | hi guys, i'm a newbie, after updating my n900 keeps rebooting, i'm following instructions on reflashing it, i downloaded the image but the link for the flasher 3.5 doesn't work, anyone can help somehow? |
| 20:49.04 | zamn900 | ~flash |
| 20:49.04 | infobot | maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:49.18 | zamn900 | ~flasher |
| 20:49.18 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher, or http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 20:49.23 | Ori_88 | i'm looking exactly at that same page |
| 20:49.33 | zamn900 | enjoy |
| 20:51.10 | Ori_88 | thanks zamn900, but the download links don't work |
| 20:51.27 | zamn900 | DocScrutinizer05, |
| 20:51.35 | Ori_88 | at least not in my pc |
| 20:54.04 | Ori_88 | does anyone have "flasher 3.5" maemo somewhere in their hard-drive? it would be my christmas present |
| 20:54.54 | faari | Ori_88: which operating system? |
| 20:55.51 | Ori_88 | windows 7, 64 or 32 doesn't matter ( i have 2 laptops) |
| 20:56.15 | zamn900 | i am on my n900 sry |
| 20:56.47 | zamn900 | the main users I would expect use linux |
| 20:56.57 | zamn900 | anyway that's not a problem |
| 20:57.27 | faari | Ori_88: https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=9b3feceb-789f-3e6d-0d51-2d4952f7b8d4 |
| 20:58.19 | faari | contains maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe, libusb-win32-bin-1.2.6.0.zip and instructions howto get flasher working on a 64bit windows |
| 20:58.43 | zamn900 | so also 32 bit |
| 20:58.49 | zamn900 | right? |
| 20:58.56 | Ori_88 | faari, thanks :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) i couldn't find it anywhere, because n900 is old and i was revising 3 year old pages |
| 20:58.58 | faari | yup |
| 20:59.57 | Ori_88 | but i got it 5 days ago and i think its a really nice device aniway |
| 21:00.05 | faari | Ori_88: no problem |
| 21:03.20 | qwazix | Ori_88, use "skeiron" along with your future google searches about N900 software |
| 21:06.44 | Ori_88 | thanks qwazix! |
| 21:07.03 | qwazix | yw |
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| 21:54.43 | Ori_88 | wow it worked! |
| 21:55.15 | Ori_88 | i fhased it and it works again, and i still have the programs, i didn't even expect that |
| 21:55.18 | zamn900 | goof |
| 21:55.20 | zamn900 | good |
| 21:55.21 | Ori_88 | *flashed |
| 21:56.06 | Ori_88 | i mean i don't have the programs i had before |
| 21:57.24 | Ori_88 | but i'm scared of that happening again, i didn't do anything really wrong, i remember downloading "ssh maemo" community updates (or something like that) before it broke, anyone had similar problems? |
| 21:58.14 | zamn900 | ye |
| 21:58.26 | zamn900 | dont dist-upgrade |
| 21:58.48 | zamn900 | maybe neither upgrade with no common repository |
| 21:59.11 | zamn900 | sometimes deb installer bring repository that are not allowed |
| 21:59.43 | Ori_88 | what does "dont dist-upgrade" mean? |
| 21:59.46 | zamn900 | just use the default application manager or faster application manager |
| 22:00.02 | zamn900 | nevermind if you dont know |
| 22:00.09 | zamn900 | better dont know |
| 22:00.12 | Ori_88 | hahaha |
| 22:01.14 | Ori_88 | i added some repositories addresses getting the link from some random page before it detected i had to upgrade and it eventually died, is that what you meant zamn900? |
| 22:02.00 | zamn900 | nope dist-upgrade is a command to over upgrade |
| 22:02.13 | zamn900 | it's like updating win |
| 22:02.31 | zamn900 | but with shrink to new win version |
| 22:02.36 | zamn900 | that's dist-upgrade |
| 22:03.11 | zamn900 | what you did is not properly reccomended anyway |
| 22:03.35 | zamn900 | especially if you don't know very well what you are doing |
| 22:03.48 | zamn900 | normal repository are ok |
| 22:03.59 | zamn900 | or just ask us |
| 22:04.02 | zamn900 | about more |
| 22:04.28 | zamn900 | such as before faari suggested skeiron |
| 22:04.36 | zamn900 | as source |
| 22:04.42 | zamn900 | reliable |
| 22:04.49 | Ori_88 | ok |
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| 22:05.40 | zamn900 | and DocScrutinizer05 is the devil god master here |
| 22:05.57 | zamn900 | but now he seems finally sleepy |
| 22:06.07 | zamn900 | but sometimes he is not |
| 22:06.10 | Ori_88 | why? |
| 22:06.11 | zamn900 | often |
| 22:06.43 | zamn900 | actually is always awake |
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| 22:09.22 | Ori_88 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315901 |
| 22:09.42 | Ori_88 | does that mean that i don't need to update repositories addresses in my new phone? |
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| 22:13.49 | zamn900 | idk |
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