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| 00:05.53 | lufu | When I buy a battery like the PolarCell online it won't arrive fully charged, will it? |
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| 00:23.53 | lufu | I would like to know since my n900 doesn't start atm but I can't flash it either since the battery is not fully charged. |
| 00:24.46 | nox- | ~flatbatrecover |
| 00:24.46 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!. |
| 00:24.58 | nox- | ~bootloop |
| 00:24.58 | infobot | well, bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. |
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| 00:32.06 | lufu | It seems I'm in a bootloop. I can't just buy a new battery and use that for flashing, since it probably won't be fully charged, right? |
| 00:34.05 | nox- | well probably makes more sense to buy an external charger... |
| 00:34.27 | nox- | (tho id have to check myself which ones are ok) |
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| 00:36.30 | lufu | I was hoping to avoid that since I don't think I'll need it ever again. |
| 00:38.11 | nox- | ~recover |
| 00:38.11 | infobot | A utility which automates some steps to undelete a file.. URL: http://users.linuxbox.com/~recover/ |
| 00:38.18 | nox- | hm |
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| 00:38.44 | nox- | wasnt there also some way to boot a working small rootfs via other means? |
| 00:38.49 | nox- | ~rootfs |
| 00:38.49 | infobot | rootfs: the content of the storage volume mounted under /, on NAND mtd5 partition. Also called "the system", since it's all the files forming the linux core system (except the kernel itself). Reflash rootfs from COMBINED (see ~flashing). Also see ~bootloop |
| 00:39.17 | nox- | DocScrutinizer05, ping |
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| 00:39.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 00:40.16 | nox- | what was that rootfs booted via usb thing or so? |
| 00:40.29 | nox- | so he can charge... |
| 00:40.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~rescueos |
| 00:40.30 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ |
| 00:40.34 | nox- | ah |
| 00:41.41 | nox- | (might want to add that to the bootloop factoid? :) |
| 00:42.19 | lufu | Thanks nox- and DocScrutinizer05... I'll try that. |
| 00:42.26 | nox- | good luck :) |
| 00:43.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal bootloop |
| 00:43.26 | infobot | "#maemo bootloop" is "when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing." |
| 00:44.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS |
| 00:44.19 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 00:44.45 | nox- | thx :) |
| 00:45.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. |
| 00:45.24 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 00:48.28 | nox- | btw will neo900 be able to charge w/o working rootfs? |
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| 01:18.36 | lufu | nox-: Yay, it's already charging... :) |
| 01:18.53 | nox- | \o/ |
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| 01:50.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: we'll see |
| 01:50.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: obviously N900 *can* do |
| 01:51.19 | nox- | as we've seen yeah but its still a bit tricky :) |
| 01:51.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: isn't the question more like: can we flash it when battery empty? |
| 01:51.37 | nox- | or that |
| 01:51.58 | nox- | or can it run from usb power w/o battery? |
| 02:01.49 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: Neo900 will only have 200 produced units as it stands? |
| 02:06.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | 250 min as of right now |
| 02:07.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: if feasible, we will make sure it can |
| 02:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | what never will work is modem without battery |
| 02:07.58 | nox- | ok |
| 02:08.00 | nox- | bbl |
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| 08:10.53 | freemangordon | kerio: ping |
| 08:11.05 | freemangordon | ooh, Pali's here :) |
| 08:11.16 | freemangordon | Pali: how's your pythinfu? |
| 08:11.23 | freemangordon | *python |
| 08:11.53 | Pali | hi :-) |
| 08:11.56 | Pali | I'm not doing in python |
| 08:12.19 | Pali | bash, perl, C, C++, haskell, prolog :-) |
| 08:12.33 | freemangordon | I just wrote my first couple of lines in python :D |
| 08:12.40 | freemangordon | but need someone to review it |
| 08:13.17 | freemangordon | I *think* I fixed that bug in the autobuilder, when it gets stuck if you resend one and the same package version 2 or more times |
| 08:15.19 | freemangordon | anyone python here? |
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| 08:35.36 | ruskie | I'm actually starting to lean on getting a neo900 upgrade |
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| 14:42.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | [NOTICE] council elections voting booth opening. DONT FORGET TO VOTE! |
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| 15:01.14 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's not open yet dammit |
| 15:01.15 | kerio | >:c |
| 15:01.27 | freemangordon | kerio: hi |
| 15:01.34 | kerio | 'lo |
| 15:01.44 | freemangordon | kerio: could you have a look at some python code? |
| 15:01.48 | kerio | sure |
| 15:02.43 | freemangordon | kerio: http://pastebin.com/hK5e3BKf |
| 15:02.59 | freemangordon | the part that starts with "+" |
| 15:03.17 | kerio | what's the problem? |
| 15:03.33 | freemangordon | that's my first python code :D |
| 15:03.40 | freemangordon | I have NFC what I did |
| 15:03.53 | freemangordon | kerio: do you see any problem in that code |
| 15:04.07 | kerio | apart for the screwed up indentation caused by irc, no |
| 15:04.20 | freemangordon | ok |
| 15:04.27 | kerio | although |
| 15:04.36 | kerio | i would remove the second os.path.exists |
| 15:04.45 | freemangordon | why? |
| 15:05.02 | freemangordon | wouldn't os.remove throw if the file is missing? |
| 15:05.07 | kerio | ...sure |
| 15:05.16 | kerio | oh nvm you're not silencing exceptions |
| 15:05.18 | freemangordon | I don't want |
| 15:05.32 | kerio | yeah but |
| 15:05.46 | kerio | there's time between stat() and unlink() |
| 15:05.49 | freemangordon | kerio: this is a fix for a long-statnding bug in the autouilder |
| 15:06.15 | freemangordon | *standing |
| 15:06.22 | kerio | which python is this? |
| 15:07.01 | freemangordon | kerio: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-December/139606.html |
| 15:07.07 | kerio | that exception syntax is required in 2.5, deprecated in 2.6 and broken in 2.7 |
| 15:07.18 | freemangordon | I guess 2.7 |
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| 15:07.52 | kerio | then there's a big problem :) |
| 15:07.59 | freemangordon | why? |
| 15:08.11 | freemangordon | it works, besides that problem |
| 15:08.36 | kerio | mmh |
| 15:09.09 | kerio | ok nevermind, the old syntax is still in 2.7 |
| 15:09.31 | freemangordon | ok, so the code is fine? |
| 15:09.38 | kerio | that should be "except (OSError, IOError) as exobj:" |
| 15:09.39 | kerio | but yeah |
| 15:09.49 | kerio | looks fine |
| 15:09.56 | freemangordon | ok, thanks |
| 15:10.00 | kerio | but you're only keeping the latest version of the file |
| 15:10.21 | kerio | that's intended, i assume |
| 15:10.25 | freemangordon | kerio: that's the idea |
| 15:10.28 | freemangordon | yep |
| 15:10.59 | kerio | why not os.rename? |
| 15:11.06 | kerio | so you don't have any issues |
| 15:11.45 | freemangordon | afaik it will still throw an exception if the destination is there |
| 15:11.49 | kerio | nope |
| 15:12.19 | kerio | os.rename is basically just a wrapper around rename(2) |
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| 15:13.31 | freemangordon | kerio: hmm, well, the original code uses shutil.move |
| 15:14.08 | kerio | mh |
| 15:14.09 | freemangordon | and I know nothing about python, so I'd rather keep it as it is, just fizing the bug |
| 15:14.14 | kerio | yeah, fair enough |
| 15:14.17 | freemangordon | *fixing |
| 15:14.25 | kerio | although shutil.move won't throw an exception when moving a file on another file |
| 15:14.30 | kerio | same as os.rename |
| 15:14.42 | kerio | you use shutil.move when you're not sure you're on the same filesystem |
| 15:14.44 | kerio | i guess |
| 15:14.47 | freemangordon | kerio: see the link I posted ^^^ |
| 15:14.51 | freemangordon | it throws |
| 15:15.14 | freemangordon | "Error: Destination path '/mnt/incoming-builder/fremantle/rejected/gconf-cleaner_0.0.3-1.dsc' already exists" |
| 15:15.47 | kerio | freemangordon: fwiw it could be some other OSError or IOError |
| 15:15.52 | kerio | but meh |
| 15:15.53 | kerio | does it work now? |
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| 15:16.09 | freemangordon | I guess so: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-December/thread.html |
| 15:16.52 | freemangordon | there is no exception in the last "gconf-cleaner" message |
| 15:16.56 | freemangordon | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-December/154504.html |
| 15:18.52 | ShadowJK | Anyone ever profiled N900 cpu in terms of work/watt at different clock frequencies? |
| 15:19.11 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: iirc vi did it |
| 15:19.39 | ShadowJK | Did some quick testing 250 - 950MHz, and 550 seemed most power efficient frequency |
| 15:19.48 | freemangordon | it turned out that the "sweet spot" is 500 |
| 15:20.02 | freemangordon | maybe it depends on the workload |
| 15:20.12 | freemangordon | vi concluded that 500 is the best |
| 15:20.18 | ShadowJK | yeah, tbh 500-600 was all within my massively wide margin of error |
| 15:20.54 | ccxN | ~mirrors |
| 15:20.54 | infobot | hmm... mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new |
| 15:21.08 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: I guess his graphic is still somewhere on TMO in some SR related thread |
| 15:21.15 | ccxN | ~rmo-new |
| 15:21.35 | freemangordon | ccxN: why do you need mirrors? |
| 15:21.45 | freemangordon | repos are working just fine |
| 15:23.31 | ccxN | had some issues where packages could not be found |
| 15:25.34 | freemangordon | weird |
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| 16:11.49 | lufu | Is there any recommended way to install emacs on a n900? |
| 16:15.04 | merlin1991 | there is emacs24 in extras-devel |
| 16:16.59 | lufu | Great, I'll take a look at it. |
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| 16:26.28 | ampharos | have fun with carpal tunnel trying to use emacs with tiny keyboard |
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| 16:43.12 | lufu | Thank you, ampharos. |
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| 17:47.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: "opening" == "will be open soon" >:-( |
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| 17:52.44 | kerio | >:-( |
| 17:53.37 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: heya |
| 17:53.44 | javispedro | long time no see =) |
| 17:56.31 | freemangordon | hmm, seems like marxian is trying to bring the autobuilder down :D https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php |
| 17:56.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: HEY!!! |
| 17:57.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed! |
| 17:57.51 | freemangordon | but it holds on so far :) |
| 17:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: missed your insightful contributions :ยด( |
| 17:58.09 | freemangordon | javispedro: hi! |
| 17:58.42 | javispedro | freemangordon: hello |
| 17:58.46 | javispedro | (and everyone else :) ) |
| 17:59.22 | javispedro | was just trying to avoid my nickname from expiring |
| 17:59.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: how about joining FPTF? not a tempting thing for you? :-) |
| 17:59.57 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: would not be able to do much, albeit I already donated |
| 18:00.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 18:00.09 | javispedro | and wish you all the best of lucks |
| 18:00.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! we need it |
| 18:00.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | even more we need kernel and OS hackers porting fremantle to "freemantle" |
| 18:01.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | FINALLY! long overdue |
| 18:01.55 | freemangordon | yeah, 1-2 more kernel devs will make all the difference |
| 18:02.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I see even more need for OS/middleware hackers |
| 18:03.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel hackers for OMAP3 platforms are a few already, though not all joined #maemo-ssu yet |
| 18:04.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggested /join #linux-omap a few days ago over in #maemo-ssu already |
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| 18:04.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I did the inverse at #linux-omap, some weeks ago) |
| 18:06.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: who TF is raping autobuilder?? |
| 18:07.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | qdl-plugins-winporn_0.1.0 ??????? |
| 18:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | please check which upload permission to permanently revoke! |
| 18:08.33 | javispedro | possibly that "find sex" program that was a few minutes ago in TMO =) |
| 18:09.14 | javispedro | not much time to hack from me, though I follow the news |
| 18:12.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: having you around feels reassuring even when you don't contribute at all |
| 18:12.26 | javispedro | was recently working on some bluetooth low energy stuff, but that is not applicable to n900 or neo900 (afaiu) |
| 18:12.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not |
| 18:13.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | google anelok, werner almesberger might be highly interested |
| 18:13.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | #qi-hardware |
| 18:13.49 | javispedro | oh, nice |
| 18:14.52 | javispedro | another guy who was doing a "find my car"-style project kickstarter lectured me mostly |
| 18:18.50 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: 19:56 <freemangordon> hmm, seems like marxian is trying to bring the autobuilder down :D |
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| 18:25.05 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: btw this was a nice stress-test |
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| 18:25.15 | freemangordon | for the whole infra |
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| 18:51.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | shall we discontinue the marxian account? |
| 18:51.17 | freemangordon | no, why is that? |
| 18:51.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | or is this "stress test" legit basically |
| 18:51.39 | freemangordon | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1291936 |
| 18:51.48 | freemangordon | yep, it is fine |
| 18:51.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok then :-) |
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| 19:00.41 | warfare | I'll start with security upgrades now. |
| 19:03.54 | freemangordon | ooh, security |
| 19:03.57 | freemangordon | :) |
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| 19:12.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: election opens in 3h |
| 19:16.42 | warfare | I'll be quick about it then. |
| 19:18.04 | merlin1991 | warfare: you're doing this wrong |
| 19:18.15 | merlin1991 | if anything security updates have to be done full BOFH style |
| 19:18.34 | freemangordon | :D |
| 19:19.26 | merlin1991 | which ofc includes a proper find /home/* -type f -exec rm {} \; to clean up any "infected" files |
| 19:20.30 | freemangordon | merlin1991: please check the patches I posted on #maemo-admin, while having fun :P |
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| 19:26.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ** PROBLEM Service Alert: repository.maemo.org/HTTP is CRITICAL ** |
| 19:27.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | didum didumm |
| 19:27.43 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hmm, WFM |
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| 19:36.33 | javispedro | btw, youtube is killing whatever special support they had for the n8x0 browser |
| 19:37.48 | freemangordon | javispedro: seems like, there is a thread about that on TMO, some guy asking for upgraded gecko |
| 19:38.09 | javispedro | yeah, saw it |
| 19:38.23 | javispedro | it's more about upgraded flash than upgraded gecko (I think) |
| 19:38.29 | freemangordon | unfortunately upgrading gecko is not a trivial task IMO |
| 19:38.43 | freemangordon | hmm, could be |
| 19:39.26 | javispedro | youtube is known to do heavy user agent sniffing and serving special versions of swf player depending on it |
| 19:39.56 | freemangordon | if it is about flash, I guess it is a no-go then. though maybe the same trick that works on n900 (hexediting the version in the binary) will work on n8x0 |
| 19:40.03 | javispedro | so I presume this is their "deprecation policy" in action |
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| 19:40.40 | freemangordon | I guess n8x0 is too weak for html5 video, ain;t? |
| 19:40.57 | javispedro | well, flash does it.. |
| 19:41.12 | freemangordon | is it HW accelerated? |
| 19:41.34 | javispedro | Not sure, but probably not |
| 19:41.44 | javispedro | DSP on N8x0 was used to accelerate audio mixing and other things |
| 19:42.18 | freemangordon | hmm. well, then maybe embedlite API based player would work |
| 19:43.03 | freemangordon | is gstreamer DSP accelerated? |
| 19:43.05 | javispedro | there is a working webkit port too, but I'm not sure what is required for HTML5 to work on it. |
| 19:43.38 | freemangordon | upstream gecko supports HTML5 video through gstreamer |
| 19:43.45 | freemangordon | and it actually works, even on n900 |
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| 19:44.57 | freemangordon | no idea about n8x0, never had one |
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| 19:47.33 | javispedro | no, I don't think it was accelerated, as said, DSP was used for other stuff |
| 19:48.40 | javispedro | the N8x0s don't have enough framebuffer bandwidth for more than quarter-screen video |
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| 19:58.34 | Sicelo | TMO has some database error... just reporting, in case it's not known |
| 19:58.46 | Sicelo | ah, same time |
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| 21:47.05 | kerio | worksforme, tho |
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| 21:54.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're done |
| 21:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | since quite some time |
| 21:55.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks to smooth operator warfare :-) |
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| 22:12.18 | lufu | I'm using CSSU right now but want to use some package from extras-devel... do I just have to add the extras-devel repository? |
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| 22:20.57 | merlin1991 | lufu: yep |
| 22:23.00 | lufu | merlin1991: So I don't have to add the devel repository before adding the extras-devel repository? |
| 22:32.10 | Wizzup | can anyone help me find out where udev (or something else) loads the headphone+mic+button (default with n900) as /dev/input/eventX |
| 22:32.17 | Wizzup | Or is that done by an existing module? |
| 22:32.23 | Wizzup | (I want to hook in into it) |
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| 22:35.25 | Wizzup | sees headphone: GPIO 177 is now connected |
| 22:38.44 | Wizzup | something related to nokia_av? |
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