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| 01:28.27 | tjsolo | hi everyone |
| 01:28.44 | tjsolo | thanks for all ur help yesterday am so greatfull |
| 01:29.10 | tjsolo | i need ur help now so bad |
| 01:30.04 | tjsolo | i was tol to get the url from pastebin and i did that can someone please help me solve the problem |
| 01:30.37 | tjsolo | this is the pastebin url |
| 01:30.56 | tjsolo | http://pastebin.com/sdz5rmem |
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| 01:43.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | tjsolo: that pastebin doesn't sugest anything fishy with your system |
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| 01:43.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | culprit is elsewhere |
| 01:45.03 | tjsolo | ok so how do i install yappari then |
| 01:45.25 | tjsolo | cause my main issue is how to install yappari |
| 01:45.56 | tjsolo | its complaining about conflict in the packages |
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| 02:02.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask yappari maintainer |
| 02:02.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | or somebody who knows about yappari. sorry I have never used it |
| 02:03.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | when your system is up to date and no other problems, then yappari is broken. No use in messing with system to make a broken yappari package install |
| 02:04.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait for european daytime, somebody may step up to help you out then |
| 02:04.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | (hint: now+6h) |
| 02:05.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe +12h |
| 02:06.10 | tjsolo | thankx u so helpfull |
| 02:06.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | to diagnose what's wrong we irrespectively need the detailed and comprehensive error messages from failed yappari install |
| 02:07.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably some dependency in yappari is slightly off from what it should be, easy to fix once it got diagnosed |
| 02:08.34 | tjsolo | ok i have it |
| 02:09.19 | tjsolo | libtq-opengl libtq-dbus libtq-xmlpatterns -web kit -gui-sql-svg-xml-multimedia-phonon all starting with libqt4 |
| 02:09.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is not even an error message |
| 02:09.41 | chainsawbike | DocScrutinizer05, he cannot update cssu due to "use pc suite" message, i suspect yappari depends on a newer version of one/some of the qt4 libs |
| 02:10.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 02:10.19 | tjsolo | yeah u right |
| 02:10.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-12-06 03:03:44] <DocScrutinizer05> when your system is **up to date** and no other problems, **then** yappari is broken |
| 02:10.35 | tjsolo | really ok |
| 02:11.05 | tjsolo | lol thankx so much |
| 02:17.37 | SAiF | Yappari works for me fine |
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| 02:18.24 | SAiF | but I dont use it regularly. |
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| 02:25.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | next time s/he shows up, please refuse to help unless a guaranteed 2h time available at his side |
| 02:26.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | though, at this response rate, make that 6h |
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| 02:27.56 | SAiF | :) |
| 02:28.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | also hte less correct and comprehensive the info given about the system and the problem, the more catch-all the recommendations should be |
| 02:28.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | so in this case I'd suggest unconditional full reflash |
| 02:29.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise diagnosing what's the real problem might become an epic drama |
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| 02:49.03 | gregoa | a simple pastebin'd `apt-get -s install yappari' might be more helpful. and no, I'm not volunteering for this kind of user support :) |
| 02:49.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 02:49.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, actually that's what I asked for |
| 02:50.23 | gregoa | "I'd suggest unconditional full reflash" sounds a bit more drastic :) |
| 02:50.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-12-06 03:06:35] <DocScrutinizer05> to diagnose what's wrong we irrespectively need the detailed and comprehensive error messages from failed yappari install |
| 02:50.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-12-06 03:09:19] <tjsolo> libtq-opengl libtq-dbus libtq-xmlpatterns -web kit -gui-sql-svg-xml-multimedia-phonon all starting with libqt4 |
| 02:50.59 | gregoa | ack, this no-detail descriptions don't help |
| 02:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | pastebin OTOH takes like 1 day (at least last one took that long) |
| 02:51.56 | gregoa | *shrug* paste.debian.org works, and copying console output from some terminal over ssh is not rocket science |
| 02:52.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ssh? you're dreaming |
| 02:52.45 | chainsawbike | we gave him step by step instruction on how to pastebin |
| 02:53.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | took ~30min, then "I'll be back later" |
| 02:53.09 | chainsawbike | and i really mean _step_ by _step_ |
| 02:53.22 | gregoa | hm, well, that's just the very basic default operation mode. - but yes, I know why I'm not into user supprt |
| 02:53.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | then 24h later: |
| 02:53.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-12-06 02:28:44] <tjsolo> thanks for all ur help yesterday am so greatfull |
| 02:53.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-12-06 02:30:36] <tjsolo> this is the pastebin url |
| 02:53.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-12-06 02:30:56] <tjsolo> http://pastebin.com/sdz5rmem |
| 02:54.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | on this pace diagnosing the problem will take ~6..8 months |
| 02:56.14 | gregoa | heh :) |
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| 03:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | err nope, at this procedure it will take forever, sine every new day somebody else trying to help will start from square 0 again |
| 03:09.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | since* |
| 03:10.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus: |
| 03:10.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 03:10.10 | infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 07:03.31 | horli | I have an old n900 with broken microphone. Will the neo900 replacement for the case replace the micro, or will the n900 micro be reused? |
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| 07:58.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | horli: mic will be part of replacement board |
| 07:59.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 2 mics even ;-) -- for stereo recording |
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| 08:04.47 | horli | @DocSctutinier: Thanks great news, especially fpr a musiscion like me :-) (stereo) |
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| 08:17.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey! yw :-) |
| 08:17.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm looking with a smile at 219 (+1) |
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| 08:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | horli: would be silly to have this great hardware in pocket and not be able to use it for "simple" tasks like doing decent stereo recording, eh? |
| 08:19.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 08:23.27 | horli | @DocSctutinier: money is on the way ... :-) |
| 08:25.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | many thanks for contributing :-) |
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| 08:28.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | horli: out of interest and to do right decisions designing the hardware: would you rather use the internal (tiny maybe sub-par) standard microphones, or an external stereo microphone with integrated pre-amp, or a cable-whip and two professional mics? |
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| 08:30.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | and what sample rate and format would you prefer to use? |
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| 08:32.30 | horli | well i use my n900 at the moment for recording practising sessions. so i'd youse the internal mic, because quality is not that important, although stereo is nice |
| 08:32.50 | horli | for live performances i use a the moment my laptop |
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| 08:33.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! :-) |
| 08:34.31 | horli | but who knows mayne using a phone for live performances gets feasable..... |
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| 08:35.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, should be feasible, but you should use airplane mode (all RF off) for that then |
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| 08:36.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ideally you use the 3.5mm for a line-in like on a tapedeck or cassette recorder |
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| 08:37.09 | horli | well a digital mixer will always be part of the live equipment |
| 08:37.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't guarantee mic input via line in will be supported at all and at decent quality |
| 08:37.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | great, then no problem |
| 08:37.52 | horli | i do not see how one can replace this with a phone (yet :-) ) |
| 08:38.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | would you be interested in optical digital interface? |
| 08:38.16 | horli | no |
| 08:38.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | good :-) |
| 08:38.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | (would be pretty hard to integrate) |
| 08:39.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you know you always can use USB host |
| 08:39.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | to hook up any audiocard extender bo you like |
| 08:39.45 | horli | yes but audacity did not run smoothly on the n900 |
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| 08:39.55 | horli | but maybe on the neo900? |
| 08:39.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | (or maybe directly connect to digital mixer, if that mixer supports this) |
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| 08:40.11 | horli | yes the mixer does this |
| 08:40.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | the USB2.0 support on Neo900 should be magnitudes better than on N900 with H-E-N botch |
| 08:41.10 | horli | ok, fine :-) |
| 08:41.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | bandwidth of N900 USB hostmode is limited |
| 08:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | again, thanks for your support. Have to run, cya |
| 08:42.31 | horli | thank your for your work, great! |
| 08:44.44 | darkschneider | i admit that ordering a neo900 is tempting me a lot. Will it be available even after the first group is shipped? |
| 08:45.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's pretty unclear yet, darkschneider |
| 08:45.35 | darkschneider | (my n900 already had that antenna problem that i had to fix with springs... so it will die sooner or later) |
| 08:45.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends on success and sequel orders |
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| 08:46.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure will take several months after first batch till we do a second one |
| 08:46.43 | darkschneider | :( that a bad news :( the work the preoject and the rest is simply great i have deep esteem for the guys |
| 08:46.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch, yes. The modem/sim/antenna issue is the most nasty one |
| 08:47.50 | darkschneider | yeah :( when i glued the things i could not even imagine it will work again... |
| 08:48.02 | darkschneider | mmm several months... mmm |
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| 08:48.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we have another problem: some essential components are getting increasingly hard to source |
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| 08:49.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | the design is >4 years old, and we need to use several of those old parts |
| 08:49.16 | darkschneider | the next question is, at this time of the project, if i put in the 100 will that give me the mb for sure given that the minimum number of 200 have been surpassed |
| 08:49.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | due to N900 compatibility and case |
| 08:49.36 | darkschneider | mm, impressive, chip phase out is so fast? |
| 08:49.58 | darkschneider | (i'm in aeronautical sector... here rarely anything phase out :D ) |
| 08:50.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | darkschneider: yes, assuming we don't fail fatally this 100EUR donation will ensure we build a device "with your name on it" |
| 08:51.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, EOL/livespan is a b*tch for consumer electronics like N900/OMAP3 |
| 08:51.58 | darkschneider | mmm you kind of convinced me... and the fact that the mb is german made make me hope for a better quality |
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| 08:52.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | while the most problematic part right now is a silly 64pin Molex connector that usually cost ~30ct per unit, but is obsolete |
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| 08:53.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | we might need to have a custom build for this connector, since it's the one where you (the user - in case of board swap) connect the display flex cable to |
| 08:54.25 | darkschneider | could not imagine such a thing! a silly connector, i guess that somewhere in a chinese factory there is a forgotten box full of it |
| 08:55.03 | l4m3rx | btw DocScrutinizer05, maybe it will be useful to add the project current problems on the page (as a short list... 1.Display connector, 2.Cam connector, 3...), thuo most project relayted ppl are active in TMO, maybe some1 outside the project may come up with solution . |
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| 08:55.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, we're asking all chinese fabs, searching for it. a tedious job |
| 08:55.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | l4m3rx: great idea, yes |
| 08:56.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll manage to do this this weekend |
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| 08:57.10 | darkschneider | i have one last silly question, what they use as connector now? I mean it's obsolete cause new screens are much higher resolution and so use a wider connector or they now connect in a different way. |
| 08:57.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 64pin Molex: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/5000246471/5000246471-ND/2818746 |
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| 08:59.09 | darkschneider | arf, yes, really tedious, i respect and thank you for your work. i have sourced from chinese fabs and i know it's a crazy job... they may tell they have it and send a completely different thing.. |
| 09:02.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
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| 09:06.18 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: Good morning. |
| 09:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | morning |
| 09:07.00 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: You listed 3 reasons why daisy chaining switching regulators was a poor idea. I can recall 1. The inefficiencies add up. |
| 09:07.23 | vi__ | Can you in few words say what the others were again. So I may write it down? |
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| 09:10.49 | vi__ | Or even point me to the channel logs? |
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| 09:19.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | switched has higher BOM which often isn't justified, so you use LDO instead, and those work better when voltage drop is low |
| 09:19.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and power sequencing is a very relevant point |
| 09:20.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk, bbl |
| 09:20.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 09:21.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
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| 09:21.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | /topic |
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| 09:34.55 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: thank you. |
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| 09:43.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | darkschneider: what do you do when they send you a 1000 of the wrong item? |
| 09:43.41 | darkschneider | scream a lot |
| 09:43.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | send back and ask for money back? |
| 09:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | jump from your roof? |
| 09:44.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, thought as much |
| 09:44.16 | darkschneider | it's more likely they give back the money without taking the stuff (it happens) |
| 09:44.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 09:45.01 | darkschneider | but sadly really :( screaming is part of it :( (and i hate to... but looks like it's a cultural stuff) |
| 09:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | but probably usually you simply have to find new money to waste it on next company to send you another crap |
| 09:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, screaming AT THEM |
| 09:45.37 | darkschneider | yes, that i mean |
| 09:45.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | that gives me hope |
| 09:45.51 | darkschneider | really, go on and on |
| 09:46.04 | darkschneider | if you make few opposition they thing "in the end he is happy" |
| 09:46.10 | darkschneider | thing/think |
| 09:46.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly related to the chinese thing with "no" not existing |
| 09:46.47 | darkschneider | probably :D |
| 09:47.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | so when you tell them "I'm disappointed" they don't even understand what you say, since they never before heard |
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| 09:47.36 | darkschneider | but i on that i love more japanese attitude. They do anything so the thing is so perfect that you can't say no... does not happen with chinese products :D |
| 09:47.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 09:48.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard on Japanese when you ask for a reasonable thing they can't deny it |
| 09:48.31 | darkschneider | "disappointed" is not there, too soft. Disappointed = happy i think they think "in the end he got the product and we got the money, so it's good" |
| 09:48.42 | darkschneider | no they can't :D |
| 09:49.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe we can ask some japanese supplier for the molex stuff |
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| 09:49.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm 60min late |
| 09:50.00 | darkschneider | if you have them custom made, do that |
| 09:50.03 | darkschneider | laterr :) |
| 09:50.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | l8rs, o/ |
| 09:50.08 | darkschneider | thanks for your work |
| 09:50.10 | darkschneider | :) |
| 09:50.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
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| 09:53.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
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| 10:05.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | darkschneider: thanks! |
| 10:06.07 | darkschneider | eheh, welcome :P if it worked, i'll record that it worked one time more :P |
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| 10:15.19 | Sicelo | Activesync on fremantle.. does it have a 'ver' negative effect on battery? (like skype perhaps) |
| 10:17.26 | Sicelo | *very |
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| 11:08.23 | vi__ | Sicelo: Not really. |
| 11:08.58 | vi__ | But be careful...removing *may* brake the n900 ability to connect to ovi suite. |
| 11:09.19 | Sicelo | i don't use windows :P |
| 11:09.25 | vi__ | Weel then! |
| 11:09.30 | vi__ | ^well |
| 11:09.32 | Sicelo | so i guess i'm safe.. |
| 11:09.49 | Sicelo | using MfE with Outlook.com, just for testing.. works ok |
| 11:09.59 | vi__ | It has a funny package name. |
| 11:10.14 | vi__ | MfE won't work without activesync surely. |
| 11:10.46 | Sicelo | which package name referring to? |
| 11:12.17 | vi__ | I cannot remember. I recall it has a '0' in the title. :/ |
| 11:12.30 | vi__ | It is not named activsync. |
| 11:13.18 | Sicelo | ah, yes, lol.. i remember it too.. lemme find it |
| 11:14.00 | Sicelo | as-daemon-0 |
| 11:14.06 | vi__ | That is the one! |
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| 13:52.36 | grr | moin ;) |
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| 20:48.22 | ccxN | so, what's today recommended sources.list content for reasonably recent packages? |
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| 20:50.26 | ccxN | py2.6+ would be nice |
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| 21:26.41 | kerio | ccxN: extras-devel, community-testing |
| 21:26.44 | kerio | the usual |
| 21:26.56 | kerio | note: it's not actually recommended |
| 21:33.00 | ccxN | kerio: which mirrors? last time I've set it up the official were down |
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| 21:38.19 | kerio | last time |
| 21:38.24 | kerio | not this time |
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