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| 10:27.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP_U91ipVWsF_2EiG3s6BKA |
| 10:29.49 | freemangordon | no sound? |
| 10:30.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes broken, livestream works now |
| 10:30.31 | freemangordon | yep |
| 10:31.05 | freemangordon | in german :( |
| 10:31.12 | slyon | the 2nd talk is in english |
| 10:31.17 | slyon | and the slides were in english |
| 10:31.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | the currently ending livestream been english, with sound |
| 10:32.21 | slyon | sound has been a little broken in the first few minutes of the 2nd talk but then it worked |
| 10:33.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pPCvdnneTs&noredirect=1 |
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| 10:43.35 | Sicelo | help please. when i receive sms/chat, etc, i get the yellow notification on the dashboard, but tapping on it just closes it and does not take me to Converstations application. i have to go the 'manually.' Any idea why? |
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| 14:38.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bbfT-Qqw1M&noredirect=1 |
| 14:38.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | smart watches |
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| 15:43.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWPmXxq1MdQ Neo900 the next N900 - Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller |
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| 16:14.21 | grr | 'lo ;) |
| 16:14.25 | kerio | hi |
| 16:17.36 | lexik | hi :) |
| 16:21.31 | grr | ... never expected so many maemo fans/users |
| 16:21.39 | grr | ;) |
| 16:22.34 | Sicelo | lol |
| 16:22.41 | Sicelo | reason? |
| 16:23.22 | grr | i'm being here for the first time |
| 16:24.02 | grr | n900 was never too popular. |
| 16:24.48 | Wizzup | super popular |
| 16:24.53 | Wizzup | \o/ \o/ ~o~ |
| 16:26.30 | grr | i thought i was the only one, who is still using it. |
| 16:26.39 | Sicelo | :p |
| 16:27.03 | Sicelo | it is loved much more than you can imagine |
| 16:27.21 | Sicelo | ~neo900 |
| 16:27.21 | infobot | i heard neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142, or at http://neo900.org/ |
| 16:27.55 | Sicelo | grr: ^^ the result of N900 love |
| 16:28.13 | grr | is there any chance it would be actually produced? |
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| 16:47.28 | MohammadAG | grr, iiuc the chips are already ready |
| 16:47.36 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, feel free to stab me if I'm incorrect :p |
| 16:47.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 16:48.20 | MohammadAG | <grr> is there any chance it would be actually produced? |
| 16:48.24 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> grr, iiuc the chips are already ready |
| 16:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | we don't produce chips |
| 16:48.50 | MohammadAG | you already have the SoC and other parts right? |
| 16:48.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 16:49.06 | MohammadAG | well yeah, but you have parts from previous openmoko devices |
| 16:49.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have a first proto with a working modem on it |
| 16:49.12 | grr | so they are probably binary compatible with N900, so the proprietary blobs can work, ritht? |
| 16:49.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | see youtube presentation |
| 16:49.21 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 16:49.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have to do some adaption work |
| 16:49.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | see |
| 16:49.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf |
| 16:49.56 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 16:50.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | modem is completely different than BB5 in N900 - Thank God for that! |
| 16:50.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | again: see presentation |
| 16:50.54 | MohammadAG | OMG OMG OMG that means the dialer can be replaced! |
| 16:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | couldn't get done with a BB5 |
| 16:51.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | err yes, or this way |
| 16:51.36 | grr | What was wrong with the N900 modem? i thought it was great. At least it was much better than N9. |
| 16:51.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | PxS8 will work with every standard dialer |
| 16:53.21 | MohammadAG | grr, the interface was closed source |
| 16:53.32 | MohammadAG | the dialer was crap and couldn't be replaced without major RE |
| 16:54.58 | grr | ic |
| 16:56.42 | grr | lot of stuff is proprietary and cannot be done open source, i guess. |
| 17:00.03 | winocm | the neo900 seems like an interesting project. |
| 17:00.26 | grr | very |
| 17:01.10 | MohammadAG | indeed, I'd very much like it to succeed |
| 17:02.54 | grr | so far there is nothing that can replace ageing N900 and I doubt that Jolla can produce the handset that could possibly replace it. |
| 17:03.32 | winocm | i'd like it to run xnu ;) |
| 17:04.24 | MohammadAG | It should do that OOTB I guess |
| 17:04.28 | winocm | yeah |
| 17:04.43 | winocm | beaglexm has a dm3730 i believe |
| 17:04.49 | MohammadAG | winocm, off topic, but the 2012 Nexus 7 might be able to do that too |
| 17:05.08 | winocm | Tegra3? |
| 17:05.14 | MohammadAG | was mucking around the other day and read it's an ARM A9 coupled with a Tegra 3 |
| 17:05.20 | MohammadAG | I didn't exactly check if that was true |
| 17:05.31 | winocm | yeah, i don't have so much experience with tegra socs |
| 17:05.34 | winocm | it's really Apple ones and OMAP |
| 17:06.04 | MohammadAG | ARM Cortex-A9 Nvidia Tegra 3 T30L 1.2 GHz quad-core (1.3 GHz single-core mode) 1MB L2 cache |
| 17:06.18 | MohammadAG | Wouldn't it work without HW acceleration? |
| 17:06.24 | winocm | Cortex-A9 is a slightly weird beast |
| 17:07.16 | winocm | A15 made is slightly better, i believe |
| 17:07.20 | MohammadAG | was slightly surprised to see the N9 was an A8 |
| 17:07.24 | winocm | but i'm not really a fan of the PL310 |
| 17:07.28 | MohammadAG | I was almost sure it was an A9 |
| 17:07.55 | winocm | omap3 is cortex-a8 exclusively |
| 17:10.28 | grr | Wayland hack with libhybris was very clever thing they have done. |
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| 17:15.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | N9 has a 3630 |
| 17:16.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | or 3640 |
| 17:16.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | so clearly Cortex A8 |
| 17:16.23 | freemangordon | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.41 | winocm | omap3630, yes |
| 17:27.16 | thedead1440_ | DocScrutinizer05: congratulations on the presentation! I can't remember the last time I saw a presentation that was this honest and made you feel happy to be witnessing it instead of just desiring the product as a techie... |
| 17:27.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey, thanks! :-) |
| 17:27.46 | thedead1440_ | No marketing bs at last |
| 17:27.50 | grr | Very interesting thread about ftpf. |
| 17:27.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, niklaus is awesome |
| 17:28.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I would never have started this project if it wasn't Nikolaus |
| 17:28.33 | thedead1440_ | Indeed. He makes you feel part of the process. |
| 17:28.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I helped a bit on that ;-) |
| 17:28.57 | thedead1440_ | Hehe |
| 17:29.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | Even Nikolaus didn't think this could work |
| 17:29.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I convinced him |
| 17:29.56 | thedead1440_ | Props to you for daring this :) |
| 17:30.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, without dos1 we probably would be nowhere yet |
| 17:31.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | he simply *made* neo900.org website |
| 17:32.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.openphoenux.org/ohsw2013/ |
| 17:32.35 | thedead1440_ | Yeah the three of you have done a brilliant job so far. Hopefully this continues and Neo900 gets the success it deserves. |
| 17:39.35 | grr | crazy idea. |
| 17:39.39 | grr | love it |
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| 18:56.39 | vi_ | hi |
| 19:00.14 | vi_ | is there some equivalent for httpsanywhere on the n900? |
| 19:01.53 | Pali | vi_: just install firefox xpi extension, it working fine on n900 |
| 19:05.35 | vi_ | cheers pali. I hope you enjoyed your pizza :) |
| 19:05.53 | Pali | :-) |
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| 20:03.05 | Gatta_Negra | being as idiotic my question as it is ... is fennec the only browser? |
| 20:03.26 | Gatta_Negra | i mean opera is too slow, the built in has too little features |
| 20:03.30 | Gatta_Negra | so there is fennec |
| 20:03.43 | Gatta_Negra | but it can not play flash or mp4 |
| 20:03.49 | Gatta_Negra | can I install something newer/ |
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| 20:06.59 | vi_ | ... |
| 20:07.12 | vi_ | you can use chrome through a debian chroot. |
| 20:07.22 | vi_ | but it is slow to startup. |
| 20:07.38 | vi_ | what feature is microb missing? |
| 20:09.57 | wmarone | shudders at the thought of starting chromium via debian chroot on the N900 |
| 20:10.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 20:10.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard FireFox is faster than fenec |
| 20:10.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | thi sbeen 2 or 3 years ago though |
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| 20:19.22 | Gatta_Negra | hmm . chromium i do not like personally |
| 20:19.50 | Gatta_Negra | aha, and to share - no news with soldering yet. I am doing it january |
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| 20:41.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you got the kernel patch, which should go a long way |
| 20:44.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw Neo900 has a switch in card reader that should get used to do the hard umounting and switch-off of uSD, so the magnet switch is a) not needed any more, and b) free to do other nice stuff with it, like preparing device for battery hotswap |
| 20:45.18 | Gatta_Negra | I am not actually using it at the moment. You say it is a patch for the new kernel? |
| 20:45.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | which of course will be configurabel since it's defined by me ;-) |
| 20:45.26 | Gatta_Negra | Did I miss something |
| 20:45.45 | Gatta_Negra | DocScrutinizer05, this neo900 thing sounds really attractive |
| 20:45.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I thought you came up with the patch in tmo |
| 20:46.05 | Gatta_Negra | yes we are working on it but it is not ready yet |
| 20:46.09 | Gatta_Negra | anyway we know how to do it |
| 20:46.37 | Gatta_Negra | i paused that for some time, yet when ready we will let anyone interested know |
| 20:46.54 | Gatta_Negra | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:10.31 | grr | only fennec? how about iceweasel? |
| 21:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: who, me? |
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| 21:21.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg |
| 21:22.00 | infobot | joerg is, like, a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer |
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| 23:45.00 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: actually the man behind Neo900 is DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 23:45.31 | Gatta_Negra | :D |
| 23:45.48 | Gatta_Negra | he gave himself up unwillingly |
| 23:46.19 | Gatta_Negra | aaaan then willingly also |
| 23:46.24 | freemangordon | hmm? can't parse :) |
| 23:46.44 | Gatta_Negra | and i ca nnot type |
| 23:46.57 | Gatta_Negra | ne said he is |
| 23:47.33 | Gatta_Negra | i am sorry i am distracted |
| 23:47.35 | freemangordon | however, joerg_rw is DocScrutinizer05, check who started the thread on TMO http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 |
| 23:47.39 | freemangordon | nevermind |
| 23:48.54 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: on a serious note - what is the problem with microb? |
| 23:49.18 | freemangordon | I use it to browse desktop facebook with no problem |
| 23:49.19 | Gatta_Negra | sorry , problem with what? |
| 23:49.28 | Gatta_Negra | the browser? default one? |
| 23:49.31 | freemangordon | microb is the stock browser |
| 23:49.33 | freemangordon | yep |
| 23:49.51 | Gatta_Negra | using wi-fi I wait 5 mins to open faceboo |
| 23:50.05 | Gatta_Negra | and no flash videos |
| 23:50.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 23:50.13 | Gatta_Negra | says flash is too old |
| 23:50.21 | freemangordon | flash 10 is old? |
| 23:50.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it's like 9.x flash |
| 23:50.27 | Gatta_Negra | i do not have 10 |
| 23:50.46 | freemangordon | well, just install it |
| 23:51.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | 9.x with so many flash 10 backports that it's prolly better than the leaked flash10 |
| 23:51.25 | freemangordon | no, it is not |
| 23:51.33 | Gatta_Negra | how? i can not see where to install addons from |
| 23:51.35 | freemangordon | 10 is better, just a bit slower |
| 23:52.16 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: also, you may want to install cssu-thumb |
| 23:52.22 | freemangordon | ~cssu-thumb |
| 23:52.22 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb |
| 23:52.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | many users patch their flash9 to "10" and are happy |
| 23:54.08 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: :nod: |
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| 23:54.18 | freemangordon | but 10 is not that bad as you might think |
| 23:56.52 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: cssu-thumb is what makes n900 way faster than stok. though it is based on cssu-testing, so it is up to you to decide |
| 23:56.58 | freemangordon | stock even |