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| 11:47.14 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05, Opinions? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25120727 |
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| 11:48.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, why should I? |
| 11:50.34 | Agge | opinions might have been the wrong word "what do you think about it" might be beter? |
| 11:51.57 | anYc | "Nokia released just one handset running the software, the N9-00." o.O |
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| 12:03.11 | vi__ | jolla. |
| 12:03.24 | vi__ | oh yay. another not really open device. |
| 12:03.42 | vi__ | why would i choose this thing over an android device. |
| 12:03.44 | vi__ | ? |
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| 12:21.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 12:22.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | why would I choose any such device with that formfactor? |
| 12:23.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | to me the whole thing feels like Neo9 |
| 12:23.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 12:24.05 | vi__ | about the neo900. Are you doing the layout? |
| 12:25.11 | vi__ | How many layers do you envision it being? |
| 12:25.32 | vi__ | who will be reviewing the gerbers prior to manufacturer? |
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| 13:55.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | No, Nikolaus (or GolDeliCo at large) does main layout work, I'm just checking it. And i'm checking the layout in the EDA tool (Eagle), checking the gerbers is pretty impossible, almost like checking .pdf without a viewer. For us the viewer is the PCB manufacturing machine, and the editor is Eagle. The proto now has a 4 layer and a 2 layer PCB, later we will need at least one 10 layer, for CPU etc |
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| 14:15.47 | vi__ | I meant you view a gerber in a gerber viewer. |
| 14:15.51 | vi__ | Layer by layer. |
| 14:16.58 | vi__ | If you are checking the layou in eagle it must be getting layed out in eagle. |
| 14:17.08 | vi__ | I useually use dxdesigner. |
| 14:17.19 | vi__ | ^usually |
| 14:17.23 | vi__ | fuck it. |
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| 14:19.04 | vi__ | point is, if you wanted an extra pair of eyes to look over the layout, I can. |
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| 14:59.56 | N-Mi | Hi, I have a question, and hope to have an honest answer. I have an N900 (which I love, but it's getting old), and I had a OpenMoko GTA02 which I've never been able to use as my daily phone (buzz problem, unstable software, poor hardware) |
| 15:00.32 | N-Mi | today, my heart is balancing between the Neo900 and the Jolla, but I have money only for one, so I have to choose |
| 15:01.10 | vi__ | jolla |
| 15:01.23 | vi__ | neo900 is a year away. |
| 15:01.40 | N-Mi | vi__: thanks for the answer :) |
| 15:01.53 | sono | they are also not really comparable.. |
| 15:02.10 | sono | there is also a huge gap in price.. |
| 15:02.27 | sono | so.. yea. neo900 is at #neo900 btw |
| 15:02.43 | vi__ | If golden delico can pull off neo900 it could well be the 'dream device'. |
| 15:02.58 | vi__ | A peice of hardware that YOU own. |
| 15:03.04 | vi__ | ^piece. |
| 15:03.47 | sono | it might also help to note that the openmoko blunder had nothing to do with the people now working on the neo |
| 15:05.29 | N-Mi | so I think I will buy a Jolla, hope for a HW keybord Other Half, and keep an eye on #neo900 |
| 15:05.30 | vi__ | openmoko blunder? |
| 15:05.35 | vi__ | sono: what was that? |
| 15:06.14 | sono | vi__: old stories |
| 15:06.24 | sono | i don't even know the details |
| 15:06.36 | N-Mi | the idea of keeping the N900 case seems great for me, because I love this form factor |
| 15:07.54 | vi__ | it depends if they are going to use the cheesey 'spacer' bodge. |
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| 15:08.24 | sono | what is that? i am using an n900 atm btw =) |
| 15:08.25 | vi__ | I am not sure I can accept the n900 being even fatter. |
| 15:08.56 | vi__ | Read the neo900 feasibility study for the gory details. |
| 15:09.17 | sono | i did, but.. i don't remeber that detail very well |
| 15:09.24 | sono | mhm |
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| 16:46.31 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: earlier you told me to manually download and install i2ctools because i was trying to install the usb host mode and got this error http://pastebin.com/ULgCDLyg |
| 16:47.00 | solofight | from where can i download the package from which is suitable for my version of os ? |
| 16:47.04 | solofight | am new to this - can you please help |
| 16:52.00 | sono | i2ctools is in extras-devel http://maemo.org/packages/view/i2c-tools/ |
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| 17:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sono: Neo900 will be 2.8mm thicker than N900 - about as much as a match |
| 17:23.20 | solofight | sono: thank you |
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| 17:30.05 | sono | suppose i can live with that |
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| 17:41.49 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: Neo900 is n900 + few features i think (read the website and all looks cool) bu why not provision for a dual sim ? |
| 17:42.38 | solofight | right now thats the only feature which makes me think about ohter mobiles |
| 17:42.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | because the modem we currently plan to use doesn't provide this feature |
| 17:43.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is a pity |
| 17:43.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | since they could, hw-wise |
| 17:43.18 | solofight | I mean - it is a feature which is now a days become very valid - Using two numbers, one for work and another for personal |
| 17:43.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | please understand that we can only offer what we can get |
| 17:43.51 | solofight | i am right now carrying two phones for this purpose (with heavy heart not able to throw n900 away and purchase a dual sim smart phone) |
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| 17:44.21 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: can i change the modem alone to a dual sim support one ? |
| 17:44.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 17:44.35 | solofight | can they customize and give me like that ? |
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| 17:44.37 | solofight | oh damn |
| 17:44.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | cinterion doesn't offer any dual-SIM modems |
| 17:45.14 | solofight | then why are we going with cinterion ? |
| 17:45.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | because we can't get anything better that fits into Neo900 |
| 17:45.41 | solofight | sono: i read this link that you posted and it says " Using i2cset and i2ctools may cause serious permanent HARDWARE damage to the device, use it with caution and ONLY if you know what you're doing." |
| 17:45.52 | solofight | i mean - what kind of hardware damage ? |
| 17:46.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | bricking of sensors |
| 17:46.10 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: performance wise or dimension wise ? |
| 17:46.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | dimension wise |
| 17:47.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | initially we planned to use the Option 801 which has DSDS, but it's not available and we got the advice to look for other modem brands |
| 17:47.25 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: so its not safe to install i2ctools ? |
| 17:47.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 17:47.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | just don't mess with it |
| 17:47.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it's safe |
| 17:48.08 | solofight | define messing with it please - when do i know i am crossing the line ? |
| 17:48.23 | merlin1991 | when you invoke it yourself ;) |
| 17:48.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you type "i2c" at beginning of a command line |
| 17:49.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | or when you edit the booston script that comes with H-E-N |
| 17:52.04 | solofight | ok here http://maemo.org/packages/view/i2c-tools/ there are armel and i386 - how do i check my mobile which one should i download ? if its armel there are both devel and testing - testing is better than devel ? |
| 17:52.39 | sono | testing is .. testing |
| 17:52.45 | sono | i don't think you want to be testing |
| 17:52.49 | sono | as for the platform, well.. |
| 17:52.56 | sono | i386 is the classic PC platform |
| 17:53.04 | sono | arm el is for ARM processors running little endian |
| 17:53.11 | sono | you may take your guess ;) |
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| 17:53.42 | solofight | sono: so you are saying maemo is a PC OS ! ? |
| 17:53.47 | sono | oh my |
| 17:53.51 | sono | no.. |
| 17:54.01 | solofight | :P pardon me with the noobish questions |
| 17:54.14 | solofight | [23:23:03] <sono> i386 is the classic PC platform <= what do you mean by this ? |
| 17:54.21 | sono | just that.. |
| 17:54.30 | sono | intel 386 based CPUs |
| 17:54.41 | sono | phones today use ARM based CPUs |
| 17:55.03 | solofight | ohh |
| 17:55.11 | solofight | which one is better Intel or ARM ? |
| 17:55.17 | sono | yesw |
| 17:55.26 | solofight | ? |
| 17:55.27 | solofight | i think n900 is arm cortex processor |
| 17:55.29 | sono | yes |
| 17:55.32 | sono | it says so on the case |
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| 17:57.04 | solofight | :P |
| 17:57.12 | solofight | Intel or ARM - which is good ? |
| 17:57.52 | solofight | devel means still developers are adding code to it ? and testing means a version which developer completed has come for end user testing ? |
| 17:58.07 | sono | no, quite the opposite |
| 17:58.10 | solofight | so testing is better than devel ? |
| 17:58.11 | solofight | oh |
| 17:58.13 | sono | testing is developers testing thins |
| 17:58.23 | solofight | devel is for ? |
| 17:58.35 | sono | devel is just tools |
| 18:00.22 | sono | uh no |
| 18:00.23 | sono | damn it |
| 18:00.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | devel is anything anybody provided, in testing are packages that are moved from devel to there, to get approval to move to extras |
| 18:00.28 | sono | i got it wrong of course |
| 18:00.39 | sono | sorry, i am only devoting about 5% to irc |
| 18:00.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | so testing is a subset of devel |
| 18:00.55 | sono | the repositories are described here: http://repository.maemo.org/ |
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| 18:01.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually you go for extras, and when a package isn't there you get it from extras-devel |
| 18:01.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you know what you're doing |
| 18:02.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | in this case you do know what you're doing: you are following my advice ;-) |
| 18:04.09 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: if testing is subset of devel - then its more refined and safe right ? |
| 18:04.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, only extras is safe |
| 18:04.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | often devel has newer version than in testing |
| 18:04.43 | solofight | next to extras is testing and finally devel ? |
| 18:04.43 | sono | devel is where actual work takes place |
| 18:04.50 | sono | testing is where we find a stable version |
| 18:04.55 | sono | to finally go into extras |
| 18:05.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | testing is for approval of quality |
| 18:05.23 | solofight | so what i asked initially is correct - testing is much better than devel wrt stability right ? |
| 18:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | not for already quality approved apps |
| 18:05.51 | solofight | for quality approved apps goes to extras |
| 18:05.54 | solofight | correct ? |
| 18:05.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 18:05.58 | Win7Mac | I gave a neighbor access to my wlan, is there a way I can check what he's doing like which servers he's contacting? |
| 18:06.07 | solofight | so il download i2ctools from testing now ? |
| 18:06.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: try airodump |
| 18:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | or sth like that |
| 18:06.29 | solofight | Win7Mac: get out of here - try the trick somewhere else |
| 18:07.02 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: he is got into his neighbors and asking ways to hack - and you are helping him |
| 18:07.04 | sono | oh my god |
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| 18:08.12 | solofight | so il download i2ctools from testing now ? |
| 18:08.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: unless your router has a way to monitor traffic, it's not really simple |
| 18:08.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise you could define your own PC as gateway for the WLAN |
| 18:08.38 | Win7Mac | no, I dont wanna read what he is doing, just where he's going. If he does criminal stuff, I might be responsible after all, because i granted him access... |
| 18:08.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | so all traffic gets routed via PC and of course can get monitored |
| 18:09.01 | solofight | Win7Mac: why give such a suspect access in the first place ? |
| 18:09.21 | solofight | he might plant a worm in your network and get all your passwords and bank acc details |
| 18:09.23 | Win7Mac | he's my neighbor and a nice guy |
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| 18:09.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | check your NAT sessions, they often are listed with far end IP |
| 18:09.38 | solofight | Win7Mac: if hes a nice guy why suspect him ? |
| 18:09.45 | Win7Mac | he's a DAO, quite like me... |
| 18:09.53 | solofight | DAO ? |
| 18:10.02 | Win7Mac | DAU |
| 18:10.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | even worse |
| 18:10.08 | solofight | Data Access Object ? |
| 18:10.14 | solofight | DAU ? |
| 18:10.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | dumbest assumable user /DAU/ |
| 18:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | (thaks ding) |
| 18:10.53 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: so il use the testing version of i2ctools now to manually install in my n900 ? |
| 18:10.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 18:11.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 18:11.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead |
| 18:11.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's absolutely irrelevant which version you use, but you need ARM version |
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