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| 09:00.31 | vi__ | ~kerio is kerio: holy shit you're old |
| 09:00.31 | infobot | vi__: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 09:00.39 | kerio | suck it bitch |
| 09:00.45 | kerio | ~kerio |
| 09:00.45 | infobot | well, kerio is <sixwheeledbeast> ah kerio, you beauty |
| 09:00.50 | kerio | <3 |
| 09:00.53 | vi__ | ~vi_ |
| 09:01.09 | vi__ | ~vi__ |
| 09:01.09 | infobot | [vi__] 13:21 < DocScrutinizer05> vi__: you're absolutely right |
| 09:01.15 | vi__ | yeah! |
| 09:02.00 | vi__ | I once copied my icons directory to a ramdisk and symlinked to it. |
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| 09:03.46 | vi__ | There is a widget called 'app search widget'. It lists all the programs hildon knows about. |
| 09:04.07 | vi__ | It takes ~1.2seconds to populate the list when you activate the widget. |
| 09:04.38 | vi__ | With the icons symlinked to a ramdisk it was unmeasurable. |
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| 11:37.53 | freemangordon | vi__: do you have any idea why? |
| 11:50.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | metainfo of fs getting flushed from bufferes by data transferred for the icons? |
| 11:50.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | buffers* |
| 11:51.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ioperf(?) should tell |
| 11:51.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | iotop? |
| 11:52.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | on unrelated topic: vapor phase soldering is really a weird thing |
| 11:53.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | waaay smarter than hot air reflow |
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| 12:27.44 | sono | 2. Disadvantages |
| 12:27.44 | sono | High running costs. |
| 12:27.47 | sono | ;) |
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| 12:50.05 | vi__ | I have no idea. |
| 12:50.19 | vi__ | I assumed it was because they all need to be read from the emmc. |
| 12:50.30 | vi__ | But surely it should be cached if that was the case? |
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| 14:21.43 | mashina | is reformatting a good idea if I haven't touched it in a LONG time? |
| 14:22.10 | mashina | i have an N800 i haven't touched in a few months and cleaning the cruft seems like a good idea |
| 14:23.10 | mashina | not turning on |
| 14:23.17 | mashina | guess plugging it in would be a start |
| 14:27.05 | mashina | she turned right on! |
| 14:27.09 | mashina | that's a good start |
| 14:29.44 | mashina | N800 lives again :D |
| 14:29.55 | mashina | anyways, should I clean it out? |
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| 14:31.02 | mashina | i have a nice big 32 GB SD card for it to replace to 128 MB card it came with |
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| 14:35.06 | chem|st | mashina: it is not like it is getting dusty between the electrons when lieing around... |
| 14:35.21 | mashina | eyah but maybe a fresh start is what i need |
| 14:35.33 | mashina | there's probably lots of daemons and FS cruft and installed apps... |
| 14:35.35 | chem|st | what you need is a different thing |
| 14:36.13 | chem|st | you probably want to check if all repos are still available and if not have a look where they got mirrored |
| 14:39.58 | mashina | i think i just used stock + some but i'll check when it charges a bit more |
| 14:44.20 | marcosx86 | hello all |
| 14:44.34 | marcosx86 | is the Meego pub repos dead? |
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| 15:24.48 | vi__ | why is everyone getting excited about this jolla phone? |
| 15:25.19 | vi__ | more closed source abandonware. |
| 15:28.18 | hbib | i can't understand it either ... |
| 15:29.51 | SpeedEvil | vi__: It is largely open sourced. |
| 15:30.10 | SpeedEvil | vi__: Is it less opensourced from a perspective of the drivers than would be liked - yes. |
| 15:30.29 | SpeedEvil | Simply because of market reality, and the inability to source parts with actual docs. |
| 15:30.36 | Ilmatar | i'd like to see your source for claiming it's closed source |
| 15:30.57 | SpeedEvil | Can you screw with the underlying layers much, much more than android or even harmattan (due to aegis) - yes. (AIUI at least) |
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| 15:33.01 | SpeedEvil | Is it as open as GTA* and neo900 - no. |
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| 15:49.07 | ShadowJK | wonders if jolla or N5 will exit unobtanium status first |
| 16:09.19 | vi__ | is it as open as harmattan was? |
| 16:10.57 | vi__ | If we could just get the specs to the MTK chips we could have access to a shit tin of modern hardware. |
| 16:11.04 | vi__ | ^shit ton |
| 16:11.08 | vi__ | ~vi__ |
| 16:11.08 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, vi__ is 13:21 < DocScrutinizer05> vi__: you're absolutely right |
| 16:11.13 | vi__ | I know doc. |
| 16:11.23 | vi__ | THanks for noticing. |
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| 16:14.46 | marmistrz | freemangordon: ping |
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| 16:17.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | sono: really? even with the insane cost of electric energy here in Germany? |
| 16:20.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | sono: also seems like a hot air reflow needs like 50m^3 while a vapor phase you can run in your closet |
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| 16:24.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sono: ok, there are small hot air reflow which work for single boards |
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| 16:30.11 | sono | i just quoted... |
| 16:30.16 | sono | in a meeting |
| 16:30.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
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| 16:35.34 | vi__ | ~music |
| 16:35.34 | infobot | well, music is essential for hacking -- especially calming music for debugging so you don't throw the damn machine out the nearest window Available from magnatune, a company that isn't evil. |
| 16:35.49 | vi__ | ~nformation |
| 16:35.54 | vi__ | ~information |
| 16:35.54 | infobot | Information is not Knowledge \ Knowledge is not Wisdom \ Wisdom is not Truth \ Truth is not Beauty \ Beauty is not Love \ Beauty is a French phonetic corruption of a short, cloth, neck ornament.currently in resurgence. \ Love is not Music \ Music is THE BEST |
| 16:36.03 | vi__ | yeah! |
| 16:36.06 | vi__ | ^99 |
| 16:36.10 | vi__ | ~^99 |
| 16:36.17 | vi__ | ~^3 |
| 16:36.22 | vi__ | ~!3 |
| 16:36.29 | vi__ | !3 |
| 16:36.47 | vi__ | ~d6 |
| 16:37.16 | vi__ | infobot you suck |
| 16:37.16 | infobot | and very well I might add |
| 16:37.30 | vi__ | infobot you banana |
| 16:43.22 | mashina | alright, all my repos seem acceptance |
| 16:43.33 | mashina | seems like it;s the perfect time to wipe it clean (n800 that is) |
| 16:44.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: you suck |
| 16:44.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~3! |
| 16:44.49 | infobot | 3! is, like, 6 |
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| 16:48.27 | mashina | ~global thermonuclear war |
| 16:48.27 | infobot | how about a nice game of chess? |
| 16:48.37 | mashina | hehehehe |
| 16:56.18 | marmistrz | freemangordon: ping |
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| 17:03.45 | freemangordon | marmistrz: pong |
| 17:03.59 | marmistrz | ok |
| 17:04.26 | marmistrz | I installed the sdk from the cli script |
| 17:04.44 | marmistrz | These are my packages |
| 17:04.50 | freemangordon | AFAIK that one install hathor |
| 17:04.52 | vi__ | :( |
| 17:04.55 | freemangordon | you need aphophis |
| 17:05.10 | vi__ | what like from stargate? |
| 17:05.26 | marmistrz | What's strange hathor worked since a year or so, and has recently broken. |
| 17:05.37 | freemangordon | could be |
| 17:05.53 | marmistrz | btw. apophis seems to break embedlite-components, iirc |
| 17:06.16 | marmistrz | sorry, my mistake |
| 17:06.19 | freemangordon | no, it is hathor that breaks it |
| 17:06.27 | freemangordon | marmistrz: http://pastebin.com/kGRTsab5 |
| 17:06.30 | freemangordon | this is what I have installed |
| 17:06.49 | freemangordon | marmistrz: just download the debs and install them |
| 17:07.13 | marmistrz | thx |
| 17:07.26 | marmistrz | can I install from the apt repo on amd64? |
| 17:07.43 | freemangordon | http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/branches/apophis/r4/deb/ |
| 17:07.56 | freemangordon | marmistrz: yes, but you need to install x86 libs |
| 17:08.26 | freemangordon | also, you need to tweak some of the debs and remove python dependency |
| 17:08.46 | marmistrz | you dl-ed from here? |
| 17:08.49 | freemangordon | you'll see what I mean when you hit the error |
| 17:09.04 | freemangordon | marmistrz: I use x86 virtual mashine |
| 17:09.26 | freemangordon | no amd64 ;) |
| 17:09.27 | marmistrz | and would using tar.gz for apophis workaround the error you're talking about? |
| 17:09.41 | freemangordon | marmistrz: NFC |
| 17:10.11 | freemangordon | you'd better do as I say, that is how I make aphophis working on my ubuntu 12.04 64bit |
| 17:10.42 | marmistrz | thx :) |
| 17:11.01 | marmistrz | why do we need to use the older release for Maemo? |
| 17:11.14 | marmistrz | according to http://scratchbox.org/download/ |
| 17:11.34 | freemangordon | marmistrz: I guess somehting is broken in hathor |
| 17:11.56 | freemangordon | btw my qemu is from hathor |
| 17:12.41 | marmistrz | So should I download apophis-only pkgs, or tweak anything more? |
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| 17:15.36 | marmistrz | freemangordon: And does the autobuilder use hathor or apophis? |
| 17:15.56 | freemangordon | marmistrz: hathor |
| 17:16.26 | freemangordon | marmistrz: yes, just download the same versions as mine and you'll be ok |
| 17:16.36 | marmistrz | thx |
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| 17:21.53 | marmistrz | freemangordon: Just noticed that my version of qemu is the apophis one... ;) 0.10 is entirely non-existent in hathor... |
| 17:33.19 | Pali | freemangordon: ping |
| 17:33.24 | freemangordon | Pali: pong |
| 17:33.33 | Pali | freemangordon: where is your LD_PRELOAD patch? |
| 17:33.40 | Pali | for rtcom-call-ui |
| 17:33.50 | freemangordon | on my PC :D |
| 17:34.00 | freemangordon | hold on a second |
| 17:35.19 | freemangordon | Pali: http://pastebin.com/MhbEMjNM |
| 17:35.30 | freemangordon | you know, quick'n'dirty |
| 17:36.18 | Pali | ok |
| 17:36.22 | Pali | will look at kernel |
| 17:38.03 | freemangordon | Pali: we can't avoid LD_PRELOAD IMO |
| 17:38.13 | freemangordon | if not for call-ui then for something else |
| 17:39.55 | freemangordon | I wonder if this isn't way easier than maintaining kernel patches |
| 17:41.15 | freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ |
| 17:41.50 | Pali | problem with above patch is that above path can change again in next kernel version... |
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| 17:43.19 | freemangordon | Pali: sure, but a .so is way easier to maintain |
| 17:43.54 | freemangordon | Pali: not to say we can put those replacements in a config file and tweak it while booting |
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| 17:52.58 | Pali | freemangordon: for that audio/jack problem, it is better to create new hal module for exporting it |
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| 18:10.24 | mashina | alright, gonna wpe it |
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| 18:15.57 | Pali | $ sudo hal-device -a /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_soc_audio_logicaldev_input < /dev/null && sudo hal-set-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_soc_audio_logicaldev_input --key input.jack.type --strlist-pre "a" && sudo hal-set-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_soc_audio_logicaldev_input --key input.jack.type --strlist-rem "a" |
| 18:16.08 | Pali | freemangordon: maybe above command can help ^^^^ |
| 18:16.27 | Pali | it create fake hal device with input.jack.type property |
| 18:16.41 | Pali | (I do not know which property rtcom-call-ui reading) |
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| 18:32.57 | Pali | freemangordon: yes, above commands fix rtcom-call-ui crashes |
| 18:33.03 | Pali | here is upstart script: http://pastebin.com/W7N6KVmc |
| 18:33.35 | Pali | just store it to directory /etc/event.d/ |
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| 19:02.26 | marmistrz | freemangordon: ping |
| 19:08.48 | wmarone_ | heh |
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| 19:11.19 | marmistrz | android_808: ping |
| 19:11.36 | android_808 | marmistrz: pong |
| 19:11.44 | marmistrz | You remember the scratchbox stuff? |
| 19:11.52 | android_808 | What bit? |
| 19:12.04 | marmistrz | The one from cssu thumb |
| 19:12.16 | marmistrz | thread |
| 19:12.32 | android_808 | yep, how you getting on with it? |
| 19:12.46 | marmistrz | Well, reinstalled the whole scratchbox (simply untar-ed) |
| 19:12.49 | marmistrz | with these pgks |
| 19:12.55 | marmistrz | s/pgks/pkgs/ |
| 19:13.09 | marmistrz | http://pastebin.com/7j9eeFGR |
| 19:13.25 | marmistrz | Still segfaults with libgtk2.0-bin |
| 19:13.51 | marmistrz | Tried pushing hathor qemu, even qemu-arm-static from raring |
| 19:13.56 | marmistrz | still fails |
| 19:14.13 | marmistrz | didn't install from debs, as they want me to remove python ;) - its easier from tgz |
| 19:15.13 | marmistrz | (for qemu-arm-static, changed the qemu variable in /scratchbox/users/marcin/targets/fremantle.config) |
| 19:17.51 | marmistrz | android_808: seems it would be the end of the report :) |
| 19:17.51 | android_808 | remind me, been up for hours, what command you run to cause it? |
| 19:18.37 | marmistrz | update-gtk-immodules |
| 19:24.11 | marmistrz | brb, gotta reboot |
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| 19:26.35 | marmistrz | android_808: I'm back |
| 19:26.45 | android_808 | marmistrz: Welcome back. i've got same glib as fmg mentioned, libglib2.0-dev 2.24.1-1maemo1+0cssu0+thumb0, and libgtk2.0-bin (program from here) 2.14.7-1maemo34+0cssu2+thumb0. |
| 19:27.21 | marmistrz | android_808: it fails even with the sdk version |
| 19:27.40 | android_808 | marmistrz: what is output of cat /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr on host? |
| 19:28.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: (LD_PRELOAD) what about apps? |
| 19:28.09 | marmistrz | 65536 |
| 19:28.26 | android_808 | marmistrz: change it 4096 or lower, I'm on 0 |
| 19:29.15 | marmistrz | what does that mean? |
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| 19:30.01 | marmistrz | android_808: and do I have to reboot after the change? |
| 19:30.13 | android_808 | no. From wiki: In order to run ARMEL binaries in scratchbox the mmap_min_address needs to be set to 4096 or lower. Normally the SDK installer warns about that, but in Ubuntu Lucid the /proc entry is visible only to root, so the SDK installer can not see it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/568844 This also prevents qemu from checking the value, in which case it is assumed to be 0. Because of this, until |
| 19:30.13 | android_808 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.53 | marmistrz | android_808: Well, magic, works! ;) |
| 19:30.57 | marmistrz | thank you very much! |
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| 19:31.28 | android_808 | add it to /etc/sysctl.conf and it will automatically set it on boot. |
| 19:31.51 | marmistrz | and what does the mmap_min_address in the system? |
| 19:32.28 | marmistrz | s/in/do in/ |
| 19:32.50 | marmistrz | s/in /do in / |
| 19:33.06 | android_808 | marmistrz: See: https://wiki.debian.org/mmap_min_addr My turn for a qt question. |
| 19:33.37 | marmistrz | ok, thx :) proceed ;) |
| 19:33.42 | android_808 | marmistrz: is there any real difference between public slots: and public Q_SLOTS: in a qt header file? |
| 19:34.23 | marmistrz | I have no idea. |
| 19:34.29 | marmistrz | I'd have to dig a little |
| 19:34.55 | marmistrz | but my guess it'd be the same |
| 19:35.05 | marmistrz | I've never seen Q_SLOTS, always used slots |
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| 19:36.27 | android_808 | fmg sent me a test app for embedlite work. I've always used slots: but I get error about expected : before 'slots'. Appears to be caused by some of the lines in project file. Source file from fmg uses Q_SLOTS and that builds |
| 19:36.53 | marmistrz | Well, strange and interesting. |
| 19:37.00 | marmistrz | Gonna let you know if I find sth |
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| 19:38.11 | marmistrz | I have to quit, send me an e-mail/pm if you were to need something. |
| 19:38.17 | marmistrz | thx again! |
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| 20:30.06 | zammy | why if I recharge my n900 by dynamo hand tool it does not charge? |
| 20:30.25 | zammy | as I apply the same on an android tablet it works... |
| 20:37.53 | freemangordon | Pali: well, creating a fake hal device might prevent call-ui from crashing, but it actually sets a notifier on it |
| 20:38.29 | freemangordon | so, call-ui will never get notified about a neadsed plugged or something like that |
| 20:38.44 | freemangordon | iiuc |
| 20:38.53 | Pali | problem is that full audio is buggy... and until this will be fixed (in kernel or userspace) it does not make sense to do something more... |
| 20:39.14 | freemangordon | that's for sure |
| 20:39.23 | freemangordon | (broken audio) |
| 20:40.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah :-/ |
| 20:40.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: short D+ and D- |
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| 20:41.59 | zammy | ? DocScrutinizer05 |
| 20:42.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: I'd be DAMN CAREFUL with such geeky stuff like hand dynamo charger. You might easily fry your device |
| 20:42.05 | zammy | I don't get--- |
| 20:42.07 | zammy | wait |
| 20:42.20 | zammy | why |
| 20:42.26 | zammy | how fry |
| 20:42.47 | zammy | it's not a freaky charger |
| 20:42.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. by driving the dynamo backwards thus applying inverted voltage to USB |
| 20:42.53 | zammy | but a mobile phone charger |
| 20:42.56 | zammy | just dynamo |
| 20:43.07 | zammy | lolo |
| 20:43.09 | zammy | inverted |
| 20:43.23 | zammy | yes... I can suppose it is inverted... |
| 20:43.25 | zammy | idkl |
| 20:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply by the damn thing outputting 25V the very moment the charger circuit switches off the load |
| 20:44.01 | zammy | DocScrutinizer05, indeed as I try to charge my n900 it seems cause the opposite effect |
| 20:44.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | you've been warned |
| 20:44.51 | zammy | discharge |
| 20:44.53 | zammy | ... |
| 20:44.55 | zammy | well... |
| 20:44.58 | zammy | thank |
| 20:45.01 | zammy | but... |
| 20:45.20 | zammy | how to ... shall I give back this damn hand charger |
| 20:45.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, we can't and won't evaluate the risks and quirks of your particular charger |
| 20:46.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are it's a damn cheap build from china, with absolutely nothing in it to protect the phone |
| 20:46.38 | zammy | DocScrutinizer05, as I stress the damn charger with weird moves |
| 20:46.46 | zammy | so stressing my self too |
| 20:47.00 | zammy | I get sometimes n900 saying battery is charging |
| 20:47.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | again, not going to evaluate this any further |
| 20:47.27 | zammy | but after a while as I loose the right rythm it says charger disconnected |
| 20:47.50 | zammy | but it says that even if I am still applying the hand |
| 20:48.17 | zammy | and ... DocScrutinizer05 this you can evaluate |
| 20:48.26 | zammy | just like error |
| 20:48.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could explain all those effects to you, but i won't since it takes a while and no benefit of it |
| 20:48.40 | zammy | it sends weird red sparking led signals |
| 20:50.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | the damn thng probably not even has a buffer capacitor |
| 20:50.12 | zammy | ...right |
| 20:50.22 | zammy | that's the point the same I suppose |
| 20:50.23 | zammy | thanks |
| 20:51.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | use it for dumb battery chargers, not for delicate electronic devices |
| 20:52.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | or power your USB attached torch gadget with it |
| 20:53.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait, does it even come with USB or do you use an adapter to connect a generic barrel connector or whatever to the poor N900? |
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| 20:55.44 | zammy | I use an adapter by my self |
| 20:56.10 | zammy | I have many miniusb adapters... |
| 20:59.15 | zammy | no way with all cables |
| 20:59.34 | zammy | it is just able to wake up the phone... but does not charge it |
| 20:59.49 | zammy | as you say it's buffer capacitor lack... the cause |
| 21:01.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | the cause is you'e using an absolutely FORBIDDEN DANGEROUS adapter |
| 21:02.27 | zammy | http://asktwitr.com/wJkEfC/B009BSHPLO.jpg |
| 21:02.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 21:02.34 | zammy | http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/926204264/Portable-3-LED-Hand-cranked-Dynamo-Solar-Power-Torch-Flashlight-Torche-for-Outdoor-Camping.jpg_220x220.jpg |
| 21:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | nd, where does the damn thing state "5.0Volt USB compliant output"? |
| 21:03.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and* |
| 21:03.52 | zammy | at max 4volt |
| 21:03.58 | zammy | I verified |
| 21:03.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 21:04.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're a seriously weird guy |
| 21:04.56 | zammy | ... |
| 21:05.17 | zammy | don't you have any geek advice? |
| 21:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes: stop doing such dangerous experiments! |
| 21:05.45 | zammy | lol |
| 21:05.53 | zammy | I can't promise |
| 21:06.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | or get used to *learning+ about what you're about to do |
| 21:06.23 | zammy | my only reason to buy n900 was testing the fly thing |
| 21:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | see USB specs |
| 21:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you also could try the throw thing |
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| 21:07.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's an app that demonstrates how accelerometer range gets exceeded when you throw the N900 against a brick wall |
| 21:07.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | SCNR |
| 21:08.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 21:08.25 | zammy | very cool |
| 21:08.33 | zammy | I mean the accelerometar stuff |
| 21:08.38 | zammy | not the wall |
| 21:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, the problem with the app: only very few people were able to read out the logs of acceleration from the N900 storage after doing the test |
| 21:10.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | there must be a bug in the app, regarding writing the logs to flash storage, allegedly it can even cause massive problems reading *anything* from flash |
| 21:10.56 | zammy | that's a challenge |
| 21:11.17 | zammy | anyway a good app... the best one |
| 21:15.43 | zammy | good this one? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41FU%2BOYkGdL._SY355_.jpg |
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| 21:33.08 | zammy | what's the flex flat |
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| 21:56.10 | zammy | http://www.ebay.it/itm/fur-Nokia-N900-mobiler-Akku-Just-Mobile-4400mAh-/250914394102?pt=DE_Handy_PDA_Akkus&hash=item3a6ba9cff6 |
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| 22:07.07 | SpeedEvil | It's just a USB charger |
| 22:07.12 | SpeedEvil | USB battery |
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| 23:20.13 | FIQ | hm |
| 23:21.11 | FIQ | ok, so I noticed that inserting this mobile battery inside my N900 lead to visible sparks at the top side right above insertion (behind the N900 cover text, kinda) |
| 23:21.17 | FIQ | is this a bad thing? |
| 23:22.31 | FIQ | the phone also refuses to boot, but that happens sometimes in general too (in which the solution is to just reove and reinsert the battery) |
| 23:22.46 | FIQ | should I ignore it and just boot it or stop using this battery? |
| 23:25.50 | FIQ | strangely it's not the side which is (dis)charged, but the other side.. on the N900 itself |
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| 23:30.50 | FIQ | took out and reinserted the battery, no sparks, and it seems to work properly now, but uh.. should I use the battery, and is there no problem and just something temporary? everything I can find googling is that estel had noticed such issue in one case of some kind of special bttery |
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| 23:36.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | WUT? SPARKS?? |
| 23:37.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *strongly* recommend not using this battery any more. I actually recommend storing it outside your house in a steel containment |
| 23:39.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | where exactly where the sparks? I seem to not get your description |
| 23:39.36 | FIQ | you know the small metal things that hold the battery in place on the phone? |
| 23:39.46 | FIQ | there |
| 23:39.56 | FIQ | i.e. the 2... things I can't describe properly |
| 23:39.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | also this sentence doesn't make sense to me: >>strangely it's not the side which is (dis)charged, but the other side.. on the N900 itself<< |
| 23:40.23 | FIQ | i.e. not the 3-connector-side, but the other side of the battery |
| 23:40.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | the spring latches at bottom of battery |
| 23:40.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | made of steel |
| 23:40.46 | FIQ | the side with the logo |
| 23:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | logo? you mean the hologram? |
| 23:41.56 | FIQ | yeah |
| 23:42.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | the sparks are inside that battery, right? |
| 23:42.49 | FIQ | they appear between the battery and the phone's latches |
| 23:42.52 | FIQ | during insertion |
| 23:42.56 | FIQ | well, appeared |
| 23:43.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a pretty scary thing to happen |
| 23:43.32 | FIQ | well, it seems to work just fine now (didn't turn it on, but holding power button makes led appear happily like usual) |
| 23:43.43 | FIQ | what do you suggest me doing? |
| 23:43.58 | xes | FIQ: What are you waiting for? The phone or the battery explosion? |
| 23:44.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | as I said above: discard the battery safely |
| 23:44.48 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: hmmmmmmm ok |
| 23:45.04 | xes | hi DocScrutinizer05! |
| 23:45.05 | FIQ | this kinda cripples me, but safety over convenience definitely |
| 23:45.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi xes |
| 23:45.15 | FIQ | let's try to figure out what to do for now |
| 23:46.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: if you feel venturous, you can disassemble the battery by peeling off the plastic sticky tape jacket - on a fireproof bench under open sky |
| 23:46.56 | FIQ | I don't understand what you mean |
| 23:48.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean you either store the battery in a tin box or tin can in the open outside your home (on lacony or your garden) until you move to a disposal site where you can get rid of it, or you disassemble the battery to see what was wrong with it if you're curious enough |
| 23:49.13 | xes | the first trick to identify a damaged battery is to put it on the table and check if it's a little inflated instead to be perfectly flat... |
| 23:49.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not do the dis-assembly in a closed room |
| 23:49.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: this one *sparks* |
| 23:49.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | so not the usual swelling |
| 23:50.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | it might have an internal short or sth |
| 23:50.34 | FIQ | just to make eventual translations clear of any mis-understanding: with sparking, I mean that white light appeared during insertion between the batttery and phone as explained above |
| 23:50.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | shorting LiIon cell is usually a poor idea |
| 23:51.44 | FIQ | if this is not mis-understood, I'll make sure to get rid of that battery ASAP tomorrow (it's 00:51 atm, I don't have much better choice) |
| 23:51.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: yes, this can only be the battery inside, I think |
| 23:52.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | place it outside your room, best place it outside any room |
| 23:52.48 | FIQ | should I remove the battery from N900 or keep it inside atm? |
| 23:52.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for sure place it away from any flammable materials |
| 23:52.59 | xes | FIQ: a new HQ battery costs 13 euro. Would you live with the risk of an exploding phone in your pouch? |
| 23:53.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | remove!! |
| 23:53.09 | FIQ | xes: definitely not |
| 23:53.22 | FIQ | xes: just trying to figure out what to do *right now* at 1am when everyone sleeps |
| 23:53.23 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: ok |
| 23:53.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | would you want to risk your house burning down? |
| 23:55.46 | FIQ | so let's see, atm I'm considering placing it either outside (where I'll have trouble finding it tomorrow) or inside in a closed room far from everyone else (including me) |
| 23:56.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | on your window board maybe? |
| 23:56.37 | FIQ | the former will most likely kill the battery off for good (and possibly even making it more likely to do silly stuff), the latter is more unsafe in case it *does* do silly stuff |
| 23:56.47 | FIQ | hm perhaps |
| 23:56.53 | xes | window----------wire--------------battery :) |
| 23:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not a big fire or explosion that could happen, just a smal one like lighting a complete box of lighters maybe |
| 23:57.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | but the fumes are toxic |
| 23:58.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/lighters/matches/ |
| 23:58.59 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: i'm not of the same idea, if charged can create a nice fire cloud of ~30 - 40 cm diameter |
| 23:59.21 | FIQ | it is fully charged, unless the charging stopped working mid-charge |
| 23:59.43 | FIQ | (as I was charging it before noticing this) |
