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| 15:48.05 | r00t^home | so, yesterday my n900 got dropped (pretty brutally, it also dislodged the spring in the lens cover) while it was booting |
| 15:48.12 | r00t^home | and has a rather strange problem since: |
| 15:49.35 | r00t^home | it boots up ok (albeit slowly), only the status icons next to the carrier name don't load |
| 15:49.43 | r00t^home | but as soon as i click pretty much anything, the ui just hangs forever |
| 15:50.02 | r00t^home | i can still ssh in via wlan, and everything looks ok... nothing in dmesg, no excess cpu usage, ... |
| 15:50.10 | r00t^home | any suggestions what to try before re-flashing? |
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| 16:00.34 | anYc | fsck maybe |
| 16:00.57 | r00t|eeepc | it hangs with the highlight on the icon or button i clicked still displayed... |
| 16:01.13 | r00t|eeepc | and seems to recover when i kill hildon-desktop |
| 16:01.41 | r00t|eeepc | well, how does one fsck root or home while they are mounted... |
| 16:01.49 | r00t|eeepc | also, no filesystem errors in dmesg |
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| 16:18.20 | vi__ | Personally I would boot BM, export all partitions and run fsck from an external 'nix box. |
| 16:20.45 | r00t|eeepc | i haven't had any luck installing backupmenu since my last re-flash... it's unclear which version is the latest, if it works, and how it should work... the hardcoded "guru meditation" screen it shows on any error makes me want to beat up the author with a baseball bat with nails in it |
| 16:21.35 | vi__ | geeze. trying to get answers about android is really tough. For all they want to be 1337 computer geeks they dont seem to understand shit beyond appz and cpu corez. |
| 16:21.48 | vi__ | The lates version of BM is the one in the dev repo. |
| 16:22.36 | vi__ | you install BM from repo the reboot device with keyboard open. |
| 16:22.59 | vi__ | guru meditation error is because wrong kernel or something. |
| 16:23.10 | vi__ | Or maybe because you installed multiboot or something. |
| 16:24.52 | r00t|eeepc | Nokia-N900:~# apt-get install --print-uris --yes --force-yes backupmenu |
| 16:24.53 | r00t|eeepc | 'http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/b/bootmenu/bootmenu_1.12_armel.deb' bootmenu_1.12_armel.deb 12870 SHA256:756b2ef936ab180cc1e1c056e4bcd36796ece9f8e05f78cf663d56b7180e8c68 |
| 16:25.03 | r00t|eeepc | 'http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/b/backupmenu/backupmenu_1.2.0-2_all.deb' backupmenu_1.2.0-2_all.deb 22192 SHA256:d2f3f55d65c6845d02a715743cae0ae16eea1a60b594c3dc3c23d00fabd42099 |
| 16:25.05 | r00t|eeepc | that one? |
| 16:25.15 | SAiF | i dont trust backupmenu at all. It once gave me a false beleif that my root is safe. What is the point of backing up, if you cannot restore. |
| 16:25.29 | vi__ | SAiF: u wot |
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| 16:25.45 | SAiF | Its just my experience. you may have other |
| 16:25.49 | vi__ | backup menu makes a tar of your file system. what more do you want? |
| 16:26.25 | r00t|eeepc | that's confusing about backupmenu imho... it gives the impression if being some kind of failsafe boot option... while it really just sits in userspace on the root partition... which i found out the hard way |
| 16:27.03 | vi__ | you have to fck up pretty bad to not even have BM menu booting. |
| 16:27.24 | vi__ | also, where else do you expect it to sit? |
| 16:27.25 | SAiF | it booted BM, but couldnt restore. |
| 16:28.01 | vi__ | I have no idea why your specific circumstances fckd up. FOr EVERY OTHER USER it works fine. |
| 16:28.59 | r00t|eeepc | vi__: the expectation you have from using similar tools on PCs is that it's outside of the normal rootfs, so you can boot it even if that's completely broken |
| 16:29.00 | thedead1440 | vi__: i think its because with BM you need to have the same kernel on both devices otherwise while restoring you get a screwed up result... |
| 16:29.22 | vi__ | thedead1440: obviously. |
| 16:29.53 | SAiF | maybe I will try it again later if needed. lot later |
| 16:30.08 | vi__ | BM has gotten me out of so much sht. |
| 16:30.21 | vi__ | I even donated robbiethethiest a pizza. |
| 16:30.29 | SAiF | :) |
| 16:30.51 | SAiF | robbiethe1st :) |
| 16:31.58 | vi__ | freemangordon: hey, FMG. how are things? Did you ever get anywhere with compcache? |
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| 16:32.22 | freemangordon | vi__: nope :( |
| 16:32.33 | freemangordon | vi__: BTW hi!!! |
| 16:32.54 | SAiF | hi. |
| 16:32.58 | freemangordon | vi__: where you've been man? |
| 16:33.04 | freemangordon | long time no see |
| 16:33.09 | thedead1440 | vi__: not obvious to many users (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1356738&postcount=1242) though :D |
| 16:34.22 | r00t|eeepc | installed backupmenu and it works, fsck -f says home/opt is fine |
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| 16:35.45 | r00t|eeepc | can anything be done about root anyway, with it being ubifs? |
| 16:38.30 | vi__ | freemangordon: well let me see. The last we spoke was around 6 months ago? So that is like 50 years in internet time. I got a new job, I have been rather busy since then. |
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| 16:39.29 | vi__ | I do not really have the time to fiddle with computers any more. |
| 16:40.00 | freemangordon | vi__: a better job? no more UI? |
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| 16:40.17 | vi__ | Yeah. No more UI. Fsck that place. |
| 16:40.31 | vi__ | I am now an analogue engineer. |
| 16:40.40 | vi__ | I have no idea what I am doing :/ |
| 16:41.01 | vi__ | analogue electronics that is. |
| 16:41.38 | freemangordon | vi__: wait, that should be sweet! OP amps, etc :) |
| 16:41.40 | vi__ | But the new place is great. The people here are really good to get aliong with. |
| 16:41.51 | vi__ | op amps...yay |
| 16:41.56 | vi__ | XD |
| 16:42.42 | vi__ | My new company makes the highest density micro LCD screens available. |
| 16:43.10 | vi__ | They fit QXGA resolution onto a 25mm^2 panel. |
| 16:43.49 | freemangordon | sounds nice |
| 16:44.50 | vi__ | is there anything left that you have not thumbified? |
| 16:45.56 | freemangordon | yep |
| 16:46.11 | freemangordon | a lots of things TBH |
| 16:46.33 | freemangordon | I am very short on tme for the last 2-3 months, so the progress is small |
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| 16:49.49 | vi__ | so how long till you have reverse engineered the powervr driver? |
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| 17:10.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | r00t|eeepc: bugfix: apply patch to your expectations, RTFM |
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| 17:28.30 | r00t^home | DocScrutinizer05: fix for what part is that? |
| 17:28.42 | r00t^home | to the UI not working? |
| 17:31.28 | r00t^home | *for |
| 17:32.01 | r00t^home | where is the FM to read on how to debug the maemo ui? |
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| 17:40.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | r00t^home: that's the fix for BM |
| 17:44.25 | r00t^home | ok, will apply patch... that was not the primary problem anyway... |
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| 18:22.40 | r00t^home | i found the problem |
| 18:23.04 | r00t^home | by running strace on hildon-desktop... |
| 18:23.11 | r00t^home | it ended up in an infinite loop of: |
| 18:23.13 | r00t^home | [pid 26208] symlink("/var/tmp/pulse-WS4d41Zg6kvz", "/home/user/.pulse/fbd5d27658d3fcf30cb25bf800531799:runtime.tmp") = -1 EEXIST (File exists) |
| 18:23.13 | r00t^home | [pid 26208] rmdir("/var/tmp/pulse-WS4d41Zg6kvz") = 0 |
| 18:23.13 | r00t^home | [pid 26208] nanosleep({0, 10000000}, NULL) = 0 |
| 18:23.20 | r00t^home | removing the stale symlink fixed it |
| 18:23.32 | r00t^home | yay for not re-flashing |
| 18:23.44 | r00t^home | where do i file the bug-report? |
| 18:24.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | pulseaudio, WHAT ELSE :-S |
| 18:25.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang PA, kill the author |
| 18:25.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | hint: first name Lennart |
| 18:27.29 | r00t^home | even if it was a bug in pulseaudio, a workaround would be in order |
| 18:27.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
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| 18:27.49 | r00t^home | really silly to make the device unusable with a stale sylink |
| 18:27.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | pester pali, he recently messed around with PA |
| 18:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, an endless loop that's not even trying to fix or escape from an error like this is pretty braindamaged |
| 18:30.33 | r00t^home | the loop is a little longer, but it only tries different link targets, never noticing that the stale link at the source location is the problem |
| 18:30.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | r00t^home: thanks for tracking and shooting down that bug |
| 18:30.51 | r00t^home | thanks for not helping :P |
| 18:31.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 18:31.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | take your sarcasm elsewhere please! |
| 18:32.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not obliged to help at all, on anything in here |
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| 18:33.19 | r00t^home | enjoy: http://pastebin.com/he2Zf97H |
| 18:34.46 | r00t^home | "enjoy" as in, forward to whoever might care |
| 18:35.11 | freemangordon | maybe file a bug on BMO? |
| 18:36.06 | r00t^home | does that use the same non-working account management as the wiki (where i could never create an account in the last year(s))? |
| 18:36.30 | r00t^home | seems not |
| 18:37.04 | freemangordon | r00t^home: open the bug against CSSU |
| 18:37.16 | freemangordon | that way it has a chance to be fixed |
| 18:37.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't see why account creation was not possible |
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| 18:42.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly think "bugfixes" like the PA one should get rolled back. When they create 10 new bugs while nobody even knows what they are supposed to fix |
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| 18:43.39 | r00t^home | <DocScrutinizer05> pester pali, he recently messed around with PA |
| 18:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 18:44.15 | r00t^home | Pali: http://pastebin.com/he2Zf97H |
| 18:44.19 | r00t^home | just doing as you suggested |
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| 18:48.27 | Pali | no idea |
| 18:49.21 | r00t^home | the code ends up in an infinite loop trying to create a symlink over an existing stale link (if not obvious) |
| 18:50.06 | ruskie | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2013/11/introducing-improv.html |
| 18:53.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
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| 19:10.24 | r00t^home | enjoy: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12715 |
| 19:10.26 | povbot | 04Bug 12715: hildon-desktop hangs on starting applications (due to stale pulseaudio symlink) |
| 19:14.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 19:17.18 | r00t^home | i wonder if it's even worth fixing... the more imorantant parts are a) still being able to access the device (via ssh for me, with ssh and the network connection starting automatically) and b) knowing where to look for the problem, which took some poking around |
| 19:18.57 | r00t^home | actually i suspect that the same bug was the cause for a previous problem i solved by reflashing... where it would hang when loading widgets on startup (that also happened on some restarts this time) |
| 19:19.15 | r00t^home | *important |
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| 20:25.05 | Sysaxed | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Turn_mute_on_.28N900.29 |
| 20:25.17 | Sysaxed | what is the difference between Turn mute on and Set Silent? |
| 20:26.01 | r00t^home | i would _guess_ that mute mutes the microphone and silent mutes the speaker? |
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| 21:15.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I would _guess_ that mute is what you get when turning device face-down while ringing |
| 21:15.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | while silent is a profile |
| 21:17.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | or it's a fake, see |
| 21:17.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>(These loudspeaker ones don't work on my N900. If I add --print-reply I get "Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.nokia.osso_hp_ls_controller was not provided by any .service files".)<< |
| 21:19.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | also possible that com.nokia.osso_hp_ls_controller service is only existing during playback of ringtones, or during voice calls, or whatever |
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| 21:27.30 | Sysaxed | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#End_current_phone_call what is the difference between release, end and reject? |
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| 22:14.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | end? |
| 22:15.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | release is when you finish a call, reject is when you don't start a call |
| 22:15.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see a third command "end" |
| 22:17.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I see only one command "release" that serves for all puposes of "press red button" |
| 22:18.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, now I see what you refer to. No idea |
| 22:20.15 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05: thanks |
| 22:20.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
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