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| 04:14.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 04:15.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: small arrow at right side was all that been clickable for me |
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| 04:21.28 | dima` | My N900 (running the latest community ssu) developed an odd issue: the ringtone reverts to the default on boot, and unpredictably can be either wrong, or even silent. Applies to the SMS beep too. Anybody have any idea what's wrong or how to address it? I'm running the most recent packages, and haven't really messed with the configuration. |
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| 05:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | dima`: strange |
| 05:15.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | all the signal tones live in your homedir, somwhere in or next to /home/user/.local/share/sounds/Message1.aac.wav |
| 05:16.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | on boot the only thing I could think of that might cause such effects is ext3 jounal playback and fsck |
| 05:17.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | both related to irregular shutdown |
| 05:18.54 | dima` | DocScrutinizer05: ok.. This has been happening for a few months, and is consistently broken |
| 05:19.01 | dima` | DocScrutinizer05: I should fsck? |
| 05:20.02 | dima` | DocScrutinizer05: If I go into the settings, it knows about the correct ringtone. If I re-select it and 'save', then it fixes it for a bit. Next boot it's broken again, and often it break later on even without reboot |
| 05:22.10 | dima` | Actually, now that I think about it, more like 6 months. Nobody imnportant calls me, but I do miss calls all the time now as a result of this (sometimes the "wrong" ringtone is just silence) |
| 05:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | setting is irrelevant |
| 05:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | it about the content of /home/user/.local/share/sounds/ that's relevant |
| 05:27.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I never heard of such effect unless caller-ringtone has been installed |
| 05:28.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/per-contact-ringtones/ |
| 05:29.15 | dima` | Hmmm. I'm not doing that. It's more or less stock cssu |
| 05:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a really nifty program, alas it has to fight uphill against the closed-source dialer, thus it's fragile and can cause the symptoms you described |
| 05:29.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | then all I know to suggest is a |
| 05:29.45 | dima` | The ringtone file itself is fine, as far as I can tell. |
| 05:29.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l /home/user/.local/share/sounds/ |
| 05:30.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | and see what's wrong in there |
| 05:30.47 | dima` | the ls looks fine. Are you thinking the .wav is corrupt or something of that nature? |
| 05:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and ask Pali what happened to PA and the lib that plays the ringtones |
| 05:31.23 | dima` | They are all .aac.wav... |
| 05:31.32 | dima` | ok. Where do I find this Pali? |
| 05:31.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, aiui the dialer-UI is triggering ringtoned to playback *one* particular file in /home/user/.local/share/sounds/ |
| 05:32.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen pali |
| 05:32.17 | infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 7h 27m 51s ago, saying: 'do not know'. |
| 05:32.29 | dima` | good to know! |
| 05:32.30 | dima` | joining |
| 05:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | though he's in here too when online |
| 05:32.40 | dima` | ok |
| 05:32.58 | dima` | do you know if there's some sort of log I can enable? |
| 05:33.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, possibly there is actually some sort of log, but I don't know exactly where and how to enable it |
| 05:34.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | somewhere around csd plugins maybe |
| 05:34.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that's not a helping info for you |
| 05:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | so nevermind |
| 05:34.37 | dima` | I'll poke around; thanks |
| 05:34.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | just check your /home/user/.local/share/sounds/ content as soon as problems arise |
| 05:35.07 | dima` | I'll look into stracing the process in question |
| 05:35.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | compare it do the situation before the problem comes up |
| 05:35.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the probkem, there are quite a number of such processes involved into ringtone playback |
| 05:35.47 | dima` | ok. will do. It may be at a higher level, since I THINK (not 100% sure) that when it's erroneously silent, the buzzer doesn't go off either |
| 05:36.00 | dima` | sigh. ok |
| 05:36.01 | dima` | thanks |
| 05:36.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 05:36.25 | dima` | unrelatedly, are you the neo900 guy? |
| 05:36.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | err jep |
| 05:37.46 | dima` | ok. Thanks for taking that on. Looking forward to it |
| 05:37.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, ALL ringtones should live in /home/user/.local/share/sounds/, nowhere else |
| 05:38.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the rintoned or whatever process gets the name of the *.*.wav file to play for ringtone form gconf |
| 05:38.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | from* |
| 05:40.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | the only case when afaik a ringtone not in /home/user/.local/share/sounds/ gets played back is default standard nokia tune that lives somewhere in /usr/share or whatever and gets played back when the /home/user/.local/share/sounds/* ones are not accessible |
| 05:40.53 | dima` | Just ran some tests. No ringtone or buzzer. At all. Rebooting... |
| 05:41.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it might be your eMMC starting to fail, which should show up in IO errors in syslog |
| 05:41.16 | dima` | DocScrutinizer05: That's really helpful! |
| 05:41.26 | dima` | when it's wrong, it's the default |
| 05:41.45 | dima` | oddly, I can always go to the settings, and it can see all the ringtones and play them just fine |
| 05:41.57 | dima` | but this is a good lead |
| 05:42.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | settings are a lie, it#s just displaying what's in gconf |
| 05:42.40 | dima` | but I can select a ringtone in the settings, and it plays fine. So at least in that moment the eMMC has the data and it's accessible |
| 05:43.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's still a lie |
| 05:43.18 | dima` | This is maybe related: when booting about half the time it forgets the date, and 12/24 hour setting; things like that |
| 05:43.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | those are the original sound files that can live anywhere, not the ones in /home/user/.local/share/sounds/ |
| 05:43.33 | dima` | oh |
| 05:43.44 | dima` | the eMMC is the smaller, faster flash, not the large 32GBone? |
| 05:44.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | only when *setting* a ringtone it gets copied and converted to /home/user/.local/share/sounds/<ringtone.mp3>.wav |
| 05:44.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, it's the 32G one |
| 05:44.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and /home is on that |
| 05:44.56 | dima` | if it's the same physical file system, why copy the file? |
| 05:45.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | because it gets converted to .wav |
| 05:45.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and your original file might as well live on uSD |
| 05:45.51 | dima` | ok. makes sense |
| 05:47.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | check your syslog |
| 05:47.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | for IO-errors related to eMMC |
| 05:48.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and check /home/user/.local/share/sounds/ frequently |
| 05:48.42 | dima` | ok. it looks fine right now, but I'm looking. |
| 05:48.43 | dima` | thanks again |
| 05:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 05:59.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | dima`: you could use dbus-momitor, but I doubt it will show any *errors* |
| 05:59.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | monitor even |
| 06:00.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | for an inbound call dbus-monitor will spit about 500 lines of messages |
| 06:01.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders if wireshark has a dissector for dbus protocols |
| 06:02.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | analyzing dbus is about as funny as analyzing raw data on a ethernet cable |
| 06:03.33 | dima` | DocScrutinizer05: I'm playing with it. It's maddeningly inconsistent. inotify says something is always reading the correct ringtone |
| 06:03.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 06:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | all the time? |
| 06:04.00 | dima` | DocScrutinizer05: Sometimes the wrong one plays, though. Now it's silent again, and I may have to reboot to get any noise |
| 06:04.09 | dima` | something like half the time |
| 06:04.16 | dima` | until it's silent |
| 06:04.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | lsof |
| 06:04.27 | dima` | looks like once it's silent, it stays that way until reboot. I THINK |
| 06:04.34 | dima` | lsof? looking for what? |
| 06:04.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | looking for the process that keeps reading that ringtone file |
| 06:05.26 | dima` | If I time it just right :) |
| 06:05.31 | dima` | aha |
| 06:05.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not normal that it is reading all the time |
| 06:05.39 | dima` | so it always OPENS the correct file |
| 06:05.43 | dima` | but it doesn't always READ it |
| 06:05.57 | dima` | I need to find the right process and strace it |
| 06:06.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | try ringtoned |
| 06:06.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | wild guessing |
| 06:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | though in the end it will be mafw |
| 06:06.36 | dima` | don't have ringtoned |
| 06:06.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 06:06.51 | dima` | there are some mafw things |
| 06:06.52 | dima` | let's see |
| 06:07.09 | dima` | (stap could answer this definitively, but getting that running is too much trouble0 |
| 06:08.06 | dima` | there're several mafw-dbus-wrapper processes and a mafw-playlist-daemon |
| 06:08.41 | dima` | aaand it's none of thsoe |
| 06:10.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, have to leave |
| 06:10.13 | dima` | it's ok. You've been very helpful. Thanks |
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| 06:30.17 | dima` | Maybe this is a known issue: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91842 |
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| 09:31.16 | infobot | multiboot is probably http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot |
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| 14:12.37 | Win7Mac | Hi! anybody knows what this "Announcement" thread from andrewfblack is? - It seems to be in no subforum and I can't click it... |
| 14:12.52 | Win7Mac | ...on tmo |
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| 14:19.57 | sixwheeledbeast | Win7Mac: see backscroll if possible I asked the same ~12hrs ago. :) |
| 14:22.35 | Win7Mac | ah ok, thanks sixwheeledbeast |
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| 16:53.06 | thedead1440 | Win7Mac & sixwheeledbeast: I suspect since andrewfblack was online yesterday (see last activity) and he is a super mod, he must have screwed something up :D |
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| 16:53.35 | thedead1440 | chem|st_: kindly fix the blank announcement thread in the new posts section |
| 17:01.51 | SpeedEvil | http://213.128.137.28/showthread.php?p=1304826 - bitcoin silliness. And 'oh why diddn't I' |
| 17:07.14 | sixwheeledbeast | I agree, |
| 17:07.34 | sixwheeledbeast | was on HIGNFY a few weeks ago |
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| 17:29.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | please don't use IP addresses |
| 17:30.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | this flaw persists even into posting new posts and breaks stuff |
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| 17:31.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | 213.128.137.28 == talk.maemo.org |
| 17:34.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it also ruins google tmo hits |
| 17:34.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus spreading the flaw even further |
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| 17:52.37 | mashina | so they ported mathematica to raspberry pi |
| 17:52.42 | mashina | want to try this on my N900... |
| 17:54.12 | SpeedEvil | Oops |
| 17:54.19 | SpeedEvil | Fail - I diddn't notice that, sorry |
| 17:54.27 | Wizzup | wasn't mathematica mostly written in x86 asm? |
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| 18:02.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1388595#post1388595 |
| 18:07.08 | freemangordon | sweet :) |
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| 18:26.44 | Defiant | DocScrutinizer05: does that mean you won't wait for the 31. Dec for all preorders? |
| 18:27.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, nope, that doesn't mean anything yet |
| 18:27.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we definitely won't stop taking preorders befoer 2014-01-01 |
| 18:28.07 | Defiant | thanks. Cause I havn't donated yet :) |
| 18:28.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | but we might shortly after, depending on how our sourcing pans out |
| 18:29.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope for dos1 to publish a few FAQ augments today, one of them answering questions regarding timeline and why we need preorders to count our customer base |
| 18:29.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | "will this work in USA" another FAQ that's missing an answer yet |
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| 19:45.56 | dima` | Pali: my n900 plays the wrong ringtone about half the time. DocScrutinizer suggested that you may be a good person to ask for debugging help. Symptom is that some of the time it plays the right ringtone, some of the time the default nokia one, and some of the time no ringtone at all. It's unpredictable as far as I can tell. This is a more or less stock n900 with cssu. I'm not using the tool to use different ringtones for each contact |
| 19:46.29 | freemangordon | dima`: will be fixed in the next cssu-testing update |
| 19:46.53 | dima` | freemangordon: so this is a known issue, then? |
| 19:46.57 | freemangordon | yep |
| 19:47.02 | dima` | is there a bug report somewhere? I'm curious |
| 19:47.12 | freemangordon | on TMO, in cssu-testing thread |
| 19:47.14 | Pali | in TMO thread it is reported |
| 19:47.28 | dima` | looking. thanks |
| 19:47.38 | Pali | I belive that this problem is really fixed in prepared cssu-t update |
| 19:48.15 | freemangordon | Pali: it is in cssu-thumb sicne you pushed on gitorious |
| 19:48.20 | Pali | ok |
| 19:48.31 | freemangordon | no problem reports so far |
| 19:48.33 | Pali | nobody reported problem? |
| 19:48.37 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 19:50.49 | dima` | Is the known issue both reverting the the default ringtone AND not ringing at all sometimes? |
| 19:51.09 | dima` | (reading the thread right now. it's not brief) |
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| 20:06.12 | freemangordon | android_808: hi! re http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1388641&postcount=119 - what is your scratchbox version? |
| 20:06.47 | freemangordon | because embedlite-components fails to build in hathor, you need to downgrade to aphophis |
| 20:07.15 | android_808 | freemangordon: i think i may have hathor :( I'll check, just starting VM |
| 20:07.30 | freemangordon | android_808: or maybe pull the latest version from github |
| 20:07.46 | freemangordon | it has relaxed debhelper version to 5, that one might help |
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| 20:08.00 | zamn900 | hello |
| 20:08.55 | android_808 | pulled it earlier from https://github.com/tmeshkova/embedlite-components before posting that in case I'd screwed something |
| 20:08.57 | zamn900 | does anyone know about smsconeditor very well? |
| 20:09.07 | zamn900 | such as ssh reverse? |
| 20:09.25 | freemangordon | android_808: try to git clean -df first |
| 20:09.51 | freemangordon | usually there are remnants from the previous builds |
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| 20:10.43 | android_808 | freemangordon: I used rm -rf first. There definately shouldn't be anything lefy |
| 20:10.47 | android_808 | left |
| 20:10.53 | freemangordon | oh, ok :) |
| 20:11.33 | freemangordon | android_808: Once I succeeded to make it build in hathor, but I had to play alot with configure.ac and Makefile.am |
| 20:11.59 | freemangordon | so IMO it is easier to just downgrade to aphophis |
| 20:12.06 | zamn900 | maybe the conf file of smscon... |
| 20:12.58 | android_808 | freemangordon: Makefiles etc. really not my specialty as you probably guessed. How do I know if its hathor? sb-conf version states 1.0.27 |
| 20:13.16 | freemangordon | yep, that's hathor |
| 20:13.36 | freemangordon | 1.0.17 here |
| 20:14.25 | android_808 | can I just downgrade with apt-get (debian 7 host)? |
| 20:15.14 | freemangordon | hmm, not sure what will happen to targets, maybe you should reconfigure them afterwards to use debian-etch tools |
| 20:15.40 | freemangordon | or debian-squeeze (I always forget which is the older one :) ) |
| 20:15.55 | android_808 | was gonna say, there on etch already I think |
| 20:16.21 | freemangordon | you should use the older of both |
| 20:16.42 | zamn900 | smscon is difficult to edit |
| 20:18.20 | freemangordon | android_808: BTW pull qtmozembed, there are some fixes |
| 20:18.49 | zamn900 | it has smsconeditor but I can't edit the reverse ssh password |
| 20:19.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ssh passwords are in ~/.ssh/ |
| 20:19.52 | freemangordon | android_808: BTW on what exactly do you want to work on? (embedlite) |
| 20:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | err sorry, nope |
| 20:20.21 | freemangordon | android_808: as the qml UI is unusable on fremantle |
| 20:20.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | passwords are in /etc/passwd |
| 20:20.39 | zamn900 | DocScrutinizer05, it's about smscon reverse ssh |
| 20:20.44 | android_808 | freemangordon: was gonna see about replacing qml |
| 20:20.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 20:20.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | still a ssh, no? |
| 20:20.58 | zamn900 | I can't access |
| 20:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | man ssh |
| 20:21.18 | zamn900 | lol |
| 20:21.33 | freemangordon | android_808: ok. but you don;t need to build xulrunner and embedlite-components by yourself in order to do that |
| 20:22.02 | freemangordon | android_808: I can give you a sample QT application that inits gecko and plays a video |
| 20:22.17 | freemangordon | the same one qwazix was going to use |
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| 20:29.33 | android_808 | freemangordon: Want to be able to build in case I need extend thier functionality or strip out unused elements |
| 20:30.09 | freemangordon | android_808: sure, but that is not a prerequisite to work on the UI ;) |
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| 20:31.17 | android_808 | freemangordon: sure, but now I know theres an issue with building it its gonna bug me to hell |
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| 20:36.17 | freemangordon | ah, ok :) |
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| 20:44.06 | zamn900 | ok solved... |
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| 20:56.35 | android_808 | freemangordon: reading maemo5 sdk page on wiki, everything refers to hathor? Is it worth changing some of that |
| 20:57.46 | freemangordon | android_808: NFC who changed that as MAemo5 SDK VMWare image comes with aphophis, so I guess aphophis is what could be considered "official" SB version |
| 20:58.13 | freemangordon | android_808: but afaik hathor works most of the time either |
| 20:59.13 | android_808 | I may have used gui install, can't remember. http://www.scratchbox.org/debian/dists/fremantle/ contains hathor as well |
| 21:00.08 | freemangordon | android_808: yes, but my point is that Nokia build the oficial SDK using aphophis |
| 21:00.42 | freemangordon | *official |
| 21:00.53 | freemangordon | android_808: also, http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29 says: |
| 21:01.15 | freemangordon | sb-conf st FREMANTLE_ARMEL_GCC472 -c linaro-4.7-2012.07-fremantle-armv7a -d qemu:perl:debian-etch:doctools:svn:git -t qemu-arm-sb |
| 21:02.14 | freemangordon | debian-etch comes with aphopis. I guess, as that is what I have in my SB |
| 21:04.02 | android_808 | both come with it. scratchbox-devkit-debian and scratchbox-devkit-debian-squeeze. |
| 21:06.56 | freemangordon | android_808: hmm, are you sure you can install scratchbox-devkit-debian in hathor? |
| 21:08.09 | android_808 | freemangordon: err, bit late to ask :) |
| 21:09.21 | android_808 | freemangordon: there IS a package for it, I just ripped out hathor for apophis, and reinstalled devkits in sb target |
| 21:09.40 | android_808 | http://www.scratchbox.org/debian/dists/fremantle/main/binary-i386/ |
| 21:10.33 | freemangordon | does it work now? |
| 21:10.49 | android_808 | built ok first time |
| 21:10.50 | freemangordon | as my version of scratchbox-devkit-debian is 1.0.10 |
| 21:10.55 | freemangordon | great |
| 21:11.40 | android_808 | makes me wonder if it would work with hathor and scratchbox-devkit-debian though |
| 21:14.32 | android_808 | there are still some issues, doesn't umount binfmt_misc cleanly at the moment |
| 21:15.28 | freemangordon | android_808: do you want me to give you that test Qt UI? |
| 21:15.50 | android_808 | freemangordon: yes please |
| 21:16.22 | freemangordon | android_808: ok |
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| 21:20.23 | android_808 | freemangordon: hathor version of scratchbox-devkit-debian contains etch & sarge, apophis contains etch, sarge and lenny |
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| 21:22.22 | android_808 | but fails to build |
| 21:22.43 | android_808 | thought I'd test it just in case |
| 21:22.50 | freemangordon | android_808: embedlite-components? |
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| 21:27.54 | freemangordon | android_808: http://dox.bg/files/dw?a=1ccb5fcc96 |
| 21:31.33 | android_808 | freemangordon: Embedlite-components goes back to Libtool library used but `LIBTOOL' is undefined errors if using hathor with etch. Think tomorrow I'll wipe out scratchbox/VM and start fresh, unless I can track down mount error. |
| 21:38.30 | freemangordon | android_808: be very cautios when removing scratchbox, you can have your system unbootable if you make a mistake |
| 21:38.39 | freemangordon | AFAIK |
| 21:39.21 | android_808 | freemangordon: if it is running IIRC |
| 21:39.43 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 21:39.43 | android_808 | i removed it to downgrade |
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