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| 03:41.19 | RST38h | Within the rear compartment is a large, humid cavity of gray organic tissue that maintains a constant temperature of 24 degrees Celsius. This area serves as SCP-1524's stomach, though it also has the function of storing gardening implements such as pinking shears, rakes, and a lawn mower. |
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| 04:09.54 | Gatta_Negra | hello all |
| 04:10.03 | Gatta_Negra | can anyone shed some light |
| 04:10.14 | Gatta_Negra | i get key expired for downloads.maemo.nokia.com |
| 04:10.43 | Gatta_Negra | PING downloads.maemo.nokia.com (23.67.131.200) |
| 04:10.55 | Gatta_Negra | time=32.715 ms |
| 04:11.06 | Gatta_Negra | it seems stg. is stinky |
| 04:11.21 | Gatta_Negra | xactly 2 hours ago I could access it |
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| 06:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: those SCP quotes start getting boring |
| 06:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet you can find every random sort of bizarre word sequence in those fiction stories |
| 06:16.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: what's stg. ? |
| 06:18.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | as long as you get "key expired" that's not as worse as it could be. It just means Nokia managed to let their signature key expire roughly a year ago, and since it's expired they can't renew it. For you it doesn't or at least shouldn't have any negative consequences, it's just a W:(arning) |
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| 07:30.19 | Gear_ | maemo? |
| 07:30.33 | Gear_ | the n900 is my only phone |
| 07:30.37 | Gear_ | I fucking love it |
| 07:30.54 | Gear_ | I have two, when the first one can't be serviced or fixed anymore, I'll switch to the second |
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| 08:01.39 | Gear_ | CSSU |
| 08:01.55 | Gear_ | nokia discontinued all service for the n900 |
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| 11:56.01 | Gatta_Negra | DocScrutinizer05, thank you |
| 11:56.06 | Gatta_Negra | i just disabld the reps |
| 11:56.48 | Gatta_Negra | another question :D I think this is the question that every n900 user finally asks : How to disable the back lid detection? |
| 11:57.09 | Gatta_Negra | the magnet is there, camera lid is detected, yer ack lid is reported opened all the time |
| 11:57.14 | Gatta_Negra | :D |
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| 12:56.39 | qwerty123 | Hi.. How do we change default viewre for jpgfrom image-viewer to gpicview(easydebian)? |
| 12:56.42 | qwerty123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: when magnet is there - REALLY - the you got a serious problem |
| 13:01.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | then* |
| 13:03.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwerty123: hardly |
| 13:04.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gear_: not really, they still seem to serve the base repos |
| 13:04.37 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: hardly? |
| 13:04.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gear_: like https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/ |
| 13:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwerty123: it's too entangled with e.g. camera-ui I'd think |
| 13:06.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it's just about which viewer gets called when clicking a file in filemanager, I guess it's easy |
| 13:06.43 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: had tried dbus-switchboard. Pics started opening in opera instead. To revert back, had to uninstall it. |
| 13:07.52 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: and figured out solution for that problem with freezing and all, restart hildon-status-menu. No idea why but it works. |
| 13:08.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | "(standard) image-viewer" you mean "gallery", right? |
| 13:08.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hildan-status-menu has a memleak |
| 13:09.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | a nasty one Nokia devels should get beaten for never noticing and the less fixing it |
| 13:10.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik freemangordon has fixed RE'ed versions for everything rogue |
| 13:10.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | in CSSU-* |
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| 13:12.42 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: yeah its about that only, click-open types. |
| 13:13.13 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: i think its 'maemo photos'. |
| 13:13.31 | qwerty123 | Same thing. |
| 13:16.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | the mime types are in .desktop files IIRC |
| 13:18.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mime_Types#Using_hildon-mime-open |
| 13:19.44 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: okay. And my powertop-error thing where c0 is stuck at 98.4 percent, has experienced something new - C4 state's idle time reached 5449 ms. But the c4 state percent remained at 1.5 . |
| 13:20.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, then use powertop to spot which process is runaway |
| 13:20.33 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: thanks. I wasusing dbus-switchboard. It ended up with pics opening in opera. |
| 13:21.30 | qwerty123 | No use. Its always same whether idle time is 700 ms or 2000 ms. |
| 13:22.01 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: top never shows high cpu. |
| 13:23.54 | qwerty123 | And i have this doubt - even without video, mplayer shoots up Xorg usage. Why? |
| 13:24.39 | qwerty123 | And pulseaudio disabled. |
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| 13:28.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I said "use powertop to spot runaway process". If there's no runaway process then it's kernel and some IP function domain (like USB or DMA or whatever) stays active and thus blocks CPU from sleeping |
| 13:29.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | also see |
| 13:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~zzztop |
| 13:29.51 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, zzztop is http://fatphil.org/linux/maemo/index.html#zzztop - the better and even FOSS powertop, or "" root; cd /usr/local/bin; wget http://fatphil.org/linux/maemo/zzztop.pl.txt -O zzztop; chmod +x zzztop "", or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/zzztop |
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| 13:39.16 | Gatta_Negra | DocScrutinizer05, yes the magnet is there |
| 13:39.34 | Gatta_Negra | do you think that replacing the lid and the other stuff will do? |
| 13:39.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's *very* strange |
| 13:39.51 | Gatta_Negra | can I post ebay link here? I see a german person selling the whole pack |
| 13:40.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | try with a fridge magnet when backlid off |
| 13:40.20 | Gatta_Negra | no change |
| 13:40.26 | Gatta_Negra | I tried some magnets |
| 13:40.35 | Gatta_Negra | the lo does not say anything |
| 13:40.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you have a serious problem |
| 13:40.53 | Gatta_Negra | maybe i tried wrong magnet, yet I have several |
| 13:40.57 | Gatta_Negra | the phone is 2nd hand |
| 13:41.13 | Gatta_Negra | i realized the card is not read yesterday |
| 13:41.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | use a strong magnet, try at location where original magnet in kickstand "bay" sits |
| 13:41.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | doublecheck THE MAGNET! please describe where you found it! |
| 13:42.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are your idea WHAT *IS* the magnet is off |
| 13:43.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | please explain to me where to find the original magnet |
| 13:43.42 | Gatta_Negra | see i see this sold here. Do you hink this could help the issue ? http://www.ebay.com/itm/For-Nokia-N900-Full-Back-Cover-Stylus-Housing-Keypad-/270763983558?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneFascias_JN&hash=item3f0aca82c6 |
| 13:43.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretend I'm a noob ;-) |
| 13:43.55 | Gatta_Negra | well. I am pretending then. a second |
| 13:46.27 | Gatta_Negra | When you lift the kickstand there is a rectangular little thing right in the middle. See the camera slider ? Orient it properly as the Carl Zeiss label reads properly, then look about a centimeter downwards. Look exactly where the kickstand lies. There should be a magnet in the rectangular hole. |
| 13:46.30 | Gatta_Negra | so the magnet is there |
| 13:46.47 | Gatta_Negra | a metal object like a money clip can hang from it |
| 13:47.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 13:47.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that magnet is still there then standby for a minute, I'll come up with further tests |
| 13:49.40 | Gatta_Negra | i dug the magnet out - dmesg says nothing differnet |
| 13:50.09 | Gatta_Negra | ok, it have always said cover is open, card is now inaccessible |
| 13:50.10 | Gatta_Negra | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | dmesg|grep "mmc0: cover is" |
| 13:50.47 | Gatta_Negra | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.56 | Gatta_Negra | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | remove cover with magnet |
| 13:51.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | dmesg|grep "mmc0: cover is"|tail -n 1 |
| 13:51.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | install cover with magnet |
| 13:51.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | dmesg|grep "mmc0: cover is"|tail -n 1 |
| 13:51.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | compare |
| 13:52.52 | Gatta_Negra | no change |
| 13:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch |
| 13:54.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ this is a command line |
| 13:54.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | to be done as root |
| 13:55.05 | Gatta_Negra | huh |
| 13:55.13 | Gatta_Negra | it says open. it is closed :D |
| 13:55.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | try with several magnets |
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| 13:55.31 | Gatta_Negra | i will do that now |
| 13:55.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I guess your sensor is broken |
| 13:56.07 | Gatta_Negra | sono, if I buy a replacement pack will it do? I mean. .. where is the sensor? |
| 13:57.22 | Gatta_Negra | i tried even with a loudspeaker magnet |
| 13:57.24 | Gatta_Negra | all the same |
| 13:57.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | the sensor is an electronic component soldered to an extension of motherboard |
| 13:57.55 | Gatta_Negra | tc tc |
| 13:59.05 | Gatta_Negra | so you say no way to fix that |
| 13:59.09 | Gatta_Negra | cool :D |
| 13:59.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you're running a *massively* messed up kernel, the >>watch cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch<< should reflect directly the sensor's state as reported via a "wire" to CPU |
| 13:59.45 | Gatta_Negra | hm.i am ssh-ed to the phone from my linux laptop |
| 13:59.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | do one test please |
| 14:00.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch |
| 14:00.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo closed >/sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch |
| 14:00.21 | Gatta_Negra | yesterday i tried to install some "kernel module " from some forum. the nokia started an endless loop so I had to re-flash it |
| 14:00.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok then, you can forget about that test, I guess |
| 14:00.53 | Gatta_Negra | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Nov 17 05:19 /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch |
| 14:00.53 | Gatta_Negra | Nokia-N900:/opt/var/lib/apt# echo closed >/sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch |
| 14:00.53 | Gatta_Negra | -sh: cannot create /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch: Permission denied |
| 14:01.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
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| 14:01.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | one last thing you *might* do, **ON OWN PERIL** |
| 14:02.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo closed >/cover; mount -o bind /cover /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch |
| 14:02.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | *might* temporarily fix stuff for you |
| 14:02.55 | Gatta_Negra | until reboot? |
| 14:03.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | maximum until reboot, yes |
| 14:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | could as well render your system messed up so you *need* to reboot to recover from all kinds of strange effects |
| 14:03.41 | Gatta_Negra | mhm I see |
| 14:03.51 | Gatta_Negra | I have nothing to lose I think .. |
| 14:03.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | right :-) |
| 14:04.35 | Gatta_Negra | so now cat cover_switch says closed |
| 14:05.05 | Gatta_Negra | yet dmesg does not say anything about the back lid |
| 14:06.38 | Gatta_Negra | and .. again there is not even a sniff from sdcard - i tried 3 different |
| 14:06.42 | Gatta_Negra | strange |
| 14:12.21 | Gatta_Negra | is there a way to understand if the sdcard slot is detected at all? |
| 14:16.12 | Gatta_Negra | and dmesg says this : Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods |
| 14:16.32 | freemangordon | that's normal |
| 14:17.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: restart HAL |
| 14:17.33 | freemangordon | what kernel is that? stock? |
| 14:17.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | he reflashed 2 days ago |
| 14:17.49 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 14:18.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | restarting HAL may make your device act funny |
| 14:18.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask somebody else *how* to restart HAL, maybe freemangordon knows |
| 14:19.08 | freemangordon | stop hal? |
| 14:19.27 | freemangordon | "/etc/init.d/hald restart?" |
| 14:19.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: you also could try to tak him thru /sys/GPIO/ hack |
| 14:19.28 | Gatta_Negra | oops |
| 14:19.32 | Gatta_Negra | it rebooted :D |
| 14:19.36 | Gatta_Negra | i am a "she" |
| 14:19.41 | Gatta_Negra | Kate, my pleasure |
| 14:19.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | OOH! :-) |
| 14:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hi Kate |
| 14:20.09 | freemangordon | is reading to backscroll |
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| 14:20.13 | freemangordon | *through |
| 14:20.20 | Gatta_Negra | so i am waiting for it to boot now |
| 14:20.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | welcome, rarely ever female visitors here - a pity |
| 14:20.59 | Gatta_Negra | I am happy to see so many people that do not hate questions |
| 14:21.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody hates *good* questions |
| 14:21.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 14:21.22 | Gatta_Negra | I work in the support team for a company and I do now how insane they can be |
| 14:21.50 | Gatta_Negra | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.17 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: AFAIK, cover magnet is not the kickstand magnet |
| 14:22.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | we had our share of boring questions here, yours are definitely not. You show you're willing to learn and do your "homework" |
| 14:22.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 14:22.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes it is |
| 14:22.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | defintiely |
| 14:22.43 | freemangordon | sure? ok |
| 14:23.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | everybody losing it has same problem |
| 14:23.20 | freemangordon | ok |
| 14:23.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I don't even need to confirm on my devices |
| 14:23.41 | freemangordon | ok, ok, got it :) |
| 14:24.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 14:24.12 | freemangordon | anyway, for the kernel to report the cover is open, it is either the wrong magnet or faulty sensor |
| 14:24.12 | Gatta_Negra | the issue (according to me) is that whatever magnet I bring to the device, no matter of the orientation it does not show any signs that there is a magnet around |
| 14:24.34 | Gatta_Negra | mhm, I have all my fridge magnets on the table. |
| 14:24.42 | Gatta_Negra | faulty sensor it shoud ve |
| 14:25.02 | freemangordon | they should be strogn enough for the sensor to act |
| 14:25.06 | Gatta_Negra | if I enter an MMC card, shall dmesg say something at all? |
| 14:25.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: couldn't you finally hack that shitty kernel module? to have a module cmdline paramater "sensor=on" or "sensor=off" or "sensor=file:/cover" ? |
| 14:25.37 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I'll check on the schematic, but iirc there is a HW connection somewhere |
| 14:26.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | it is a hw connection, but it's unclear if it already *directly* disables uSD VDD |
| 14:26.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | the sensort is on CARD_DETECT on MMC IF |
| 14:26.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pin in the SoC interface for MMC cards |
| 14:27.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I bet you could at least configure the MMC IF IP behaviour in some register, regarding CARD_DETECT |
| 14:27.56 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: hmm, iiuc this is gpio160 |
| 14:28.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | GPIO160 |
| 14:28.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | McBSP1_CLKS |
| 14:28.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | T21 |
| 14:28.37 | freemangordon | so no regulators etc involved |
| 14:28.41 | freemangordon | pure SW |
| 14:28.56 | Gatta_Negra | I am going to be dramatic. I live in a post communist country (Bulgaria) . When I was little I wanted a Barbie doll. I never had it. Luxury goods from the open world were forbidden you know.. Then Nokia n900 came out, but I was using Siemens back then. And now I have an HTC, but I just realized that I _wanted_ that n900. so I looked at local 2nd hand adds, I picked adds for 2 weeks and now this :/ |
| 14:28.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | check 2nd function |
| 14:29.05 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: hehe |
| 14:29.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's sth like CARD_DETECT on MMC1 |
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| 14:29.44 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: I am bulgarian too |
| 14:30.07 | freemangordon | however |
| 14:30.16 | Gatta_Negra | nice :D |
| 14:30.51 | Gatta_Negra | so now, how would I check the CARD_DETECT thing? |
| 14:30.54 | freemangordon | do you have some loudspeaker around? |
| 14:31.01 | Gatta_Negra | amm. Yes |
| 14:31.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: either your component N5120 hall detector switch "uSD card hot-swap detection sensor" is broken |
| 14:31.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | N5210 sorry |
| 14:31.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or your ESD prot component Z5210 is defect |
| 14:32.18 | Gear_ | haha |
| 14:32.25 | Gear_ | I didn't get an n900 when they were new |
| 14:32.31 | freemangordon | tries to find a loudpeaker to check if it will work for the cover sensor |
| 14:32.33 | Gear_ | I got one about 3 years leter |
| 14:32.35 | Gear_ | later |
| 14:32.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | or your "CPU" (actually SoC) OMAP3530 CHIP has a defect pin T21 "GPIO_160" |
| 14:32.45 | Gear_ | then I got another one when I realiesd they'd be extinct soon |
| 14:33.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | OR! your R5210 is broken, a very easy fix |
| 14:33.29 | Gatta_Negra | mm. I thought of buying another WORKING one but I am still hoping to be able to deal with this one |
| 14:34.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, if you can live with permanently closed lid, you can short the detector |
| 14:34.08 | Gatta_Negra | i mean if there is a way to put android or stg. else instead of maemo even if sdcard is not working .. I can live with that |
| 14:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | or remove (cut open) it, depending on logic of this signal |
| 14:34.37 | Gatta_Negra | hm, how ? |
| 14:34.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | with a soldering iron ;-) |
| 14:35.02 | Gatta_Negra | cool . i have it nearby. |
| 14:35.12 | Gatta_Negra | it is only what needs to be soldered? |
| 14:35.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | or wait for freemangordon to fix the kernel module driver for MMC |
| 14:35.32 | Gatta_Negra | hmm, this is a nice workaround too |
| 14:35.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait, we will come up with better diagnostics |
| 14:36.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-11-17 15:28:37] <freemangordon> so no regulators etc involved |
| 14:36.19 | Gatta_Negra | i do wonder about this: the sensor is not working, this is evident. But how to know if the SDcard slot os OK? Is it possible it is broken too? |
| 14:36.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-11-17 15:28:41] <freemangordon> pure SW |
| 14:36.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | promising remark |
| 14:36.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 14:36.37 | Gatta_Negra | Aaaahh |
| 14:36.41 | Gatta_Negra | i lost a part |
| 14:36.49 | Gatta_Negra | it just jumped out of my hands |
| 14:36.56 | Gatta_Negra | there is a tiny metal thingie on the backlid |
| 14:37.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeew |
| 14:37.06 | Gatta_Negra | was, now it is somewhere in this room |
| 14:37.50 | Gatta_Negra | was it important (I know it is, but it seems to be acting like a spring for the kickstand. will this affect the sensor and sdcard issue? |
| 14:38.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're confortable with torx6/philips00 screws and soldering 0201 components? |
| 14:38.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, this part is only mechanical |
| 14:39.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 14:39.07 | freemangordon | ok, I was able to close the cover switch with a magnet from PC fan |
| 14:39.30 | freemangordon | *but* the direction and exact position seem important |
| 14:39.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course your whole daughterboard could be defect, incl uSD and camera flashlight |
| 14:39.51 | Gatta_Negra | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 14:40.03 | Gatta_Negra | 0201 is a bit tiny - i am not good with it |
| 14:40.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | me neither ;-) |
| 14:40.21 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: why we exclude the magnet? |
| 14:40.37 | Gatta_Negra | freemangordon, how to find the direction / |
| 14:40.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a start you might want to disassemble and *inspect* your mainboard |
| 14:41.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: hm? |
| 14:41.38 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: remove the back cover and move/rotate around the place you *think* the sensor is located, judging by the missing magnet place |
| 14:41.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: why we think magnet is not the culprit? because Gatta_Negra checked it's there and she checked with other magnets as well |
| 14:41.58 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: before that ssh to the device and do "tail -f /var/log/syslog" |
| 14:42.09 | freemangordon | without quotes |
| 14:42.09 | Gatta_Negra | i am ssh in the devic |
| 14:42.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: sorry, you're late |
| 14:42.36 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yes, but she tried with fridge magnets only iiuc |
| 14:42.49 | Gatta_Negra | there is no syslog |
| 14:42.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's absolutely sufficient |
| 14:43.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: syslog also obsolete |
| 14:43.25 | freemangordon | ok, dmesg then |
| 14:43.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's my watchline above |
| 14:43.48 | Gatta_Negra | no, whatever magnet I try there dmesg does not say anything related to it |
| 14:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: the magnet is in place, says Gatta_Negra |
| 14:44.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I confirmed it |
| 14:44.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | magnet ruled out |
| 14:44.33 | Gatta_Negra | i have a loudspeaker magnet, fridges, a bunch of the flat magnets (lik rubber) |
| 14:44.48 | Gatta_Negra | the magnet is also in the kickstand bed |
| 14:44.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: ignore it |
| 14:44.53 | Gatta_Negra | i tried with a money clip |
| 14:45.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's already confirmed that magnet is OK |
| 14:45.23 | freemangordon | hmm, ok |
| 14:45.27 | Gatta_Negra | i am reluctant about disasembling the device about rignt at that moment |
| 14:45.48 | freemangordon | yep, better bring it to some service. are you in sofia? |
| 14:45.53 | Gatta_Negra | i mean it is 17:00 Sunday and if I start now It will take forever |
| 14:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should be, unless we give better instructions HOW to do that |
| 14:45.57 | Gatta_Negra | freemangordon, yes in Sofia |
| 14:46.41 | freemangordon | there are a couple of good places you may bring your device for repair, I'll ask a friend of mine where she had her USB port fixed |
| 14:46.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are pretty good instructions on how to disassemble N900 on youtube. Also pretty bad ones |
| 14:47.16 | Gatta_Negra | DocScrutinizer05, I have disassembled n95 in the past. and some siemens |
| 14:47.17 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: is n5210 easily accessible? |
| 14:47.43 | freemangordon | and easy to be replaced as well |
| 14:47.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's 6 screws (2 Torx6 and 4 Philips) to remove, and a nasty tiny B2B plug to gently unplug |
| 14:48.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: after disassembling yes it is |
| 14:48.13 | freemangordon | afaik it is not hard to disassemble n900 |
| 14:48.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sits on top of daughterboard |
| 14:48.30 | Gatta_Negra | n95 has this screen that is always broken so I had mine changed 4 times before I gave up on the model |
| 14:48.35 | freemangordon | but before that, at least she needs a replacement :) |
| 14:48.53 | freemangordon | for the hall sensor |
| 14:49.04 | freemangordon | no way to find it on sunday here :D |
| 14:49.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought she first checks what's status of the device, so to find out what's actually broken |
| 14:49.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could think of some silly user trying to "disable the magnet" |
| 14:49.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | hard way |
| 14:49.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and failing epically |
| 14:49.48 | freemangordon | do you think a faulty hall could be find with a naked eye? |
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| 14:49.55 | freemangordon | hmm, yep, that makes sense |
| 14:50.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, but a tampered one |
| 14:50.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | a broken 0204 R also |
| 14:50.20 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: does the camera work? |
| 14:50.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | das the FLASHLIGHT work? |
| 14:50.35 | Gatta_Negra | device looks very good for a 2nd hand one - on first glance no traces of use , so I am tending to exclude heavy falls, spilled liquids, etc |
| 14:50.38 | Gatta_Negra | yes the camera is ok |
| 14:50.50 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: are those zeners in a chip or discrete? |
| 14:50.55 | Gatta_Negra | camera lid does not start camera unless I do this |
| 14:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | chip |
| 14:51.05 | Gatta_Negra | gconftool-2 --type Boolean --set /system/osso/af/mmc-cover-open false |
| 14:51.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds good |
| 14:51.44 | Gatta_Negra | but even without that camera is ok, no faults, no crashes whatsoever |
| 14:52.02 | Gatta_Negra | I made tons of pictures as I like the carl zeiss optics of nokia very much |
| 14:52.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | flashlight?? |
| 14:52.13 | Gatta_Negra | working OK |
| 14:52.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | the camera is basically unrelated, wait it is: camdoor sensor also on the daughterboard |
| 14:52.42 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 14:52.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | next to hall sensor#;-) |
| 14:52.58 | Gatta_Negra | there is a light sensor also, right ? |
| 14:53.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the door sensor |
| 14:53.34 | Gatta_Negra | a second , I want to try stg. |
| 14:53.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | IR proxi sensor, like the one on front to lock screen when you place phone to ear |
| 14:53.39 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: on the back side? no, afaik |
| 14:54.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: IR is light |
| 14:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | just *you* don't (usually) see it |
| 14:54.41 | Gatta_Negra | well, i do not know if this is relevant. but: |
| 14:54.57 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ORLY? :P |
| 14:55.14 | Gatta_Negra | Nokia-N900:~# gconftool-2 --get /system/osso/af/mmc-cover-open |
| 14:55.14 | Gatta_Negra | true |
| 14:55.27 | Gatta_Negra | in This position , when I open and close camera lid |
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| 14:55.35 | Gatta_Negra | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I guess HAL is doing that. Or ke-recv |
| 14:55.40 | Gatta_Negra | yet camera does not start |
| 14:56.00 | Gatta_Negra | if I set this to false camera starts when lid is opened |
| 14:56.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, camera not supposed to start when no backlid detected |
| 14:56.21 | Gatta_Negra | so this drove me to think there is a light sensor |
| 14:56.53 | Gatta_Negra | DocScrutinizer05, on n95 camera started when camera lid removed this is why the first hack I used was this :D |
| 14:56.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a infraread proxy detector |
| 14:56.57 | Gatta_Negra | aha |
| 14:57.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | it checks the white/black on door slider |
| 14:57.13 | Gatta_Negra | aaand .. about the sensor for "close to the ear" |
| 14:57.24 | Gatta_Negra | shall I make a test call to see if it is there and OK? |
| 14:57.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait |
| 14:58.30 | Gatta_Negra | yes this one works too - when I put my hand in front of the camera |
| 14:58.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state |
| 14:58.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | front senser ^^^ |
| 14:59.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | sensor |
| 14:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | working all the time |
| 14:59.48 | Gatta_Negra | yes it is there |
| 15:00.12 | Gatta_Negra | open all the time unless the phone is in up vertical position close to something - hand , ear .. |
| 15:00.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | position shouldn't matter |
| 15:00.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | just cover up sensor in upper left corner |
| 15:01.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | left to "NOKIA" |
| 15:01.57 | freemangordon | ~seen Pali |
| 15:02.01 | infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 17h 47m 28s ago, saying: 'in gst it is rank property'. |
| 15:02.01 | Gatta_Negra | right |
| 15:02.06 | Gatta_Negra | position does not matter |
| 15:02.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually 10mm down from the corner |
| 15:02.55 | Gatta_Negra | it is actually annoying that camera starts even if the cam lid is closed camera starts if you accidentally hit the button |
| 15:03.12 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: there is a setting for that |
| 15:03.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | not here |
| 15:03.40 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: in stock camera? |
| 15:03.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU |
| 15:04.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, stock does it |
| 15:04.15 | Gatta_Negra | freemangordon, yes i believe so , yet I consider sdcard not working more important |
| 15:04.18 | freemangordon | "Show on focusbutton press" |
| 15:04.27 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: for sure |
| 15:04.35 | Gatta_Negra | can I install android or whatever without sdcard/ |
| 15:04.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: do you think you could add that MMC.ko patch I suggested? |
| 15:05.07 | freemangordon | to ignore the sensor? |
| 15:05.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 15:05.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | to have a cmdline option |
| 15:05.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sensor=[open|close|file:<FQN>] |
| 15:05.51 | Gatta_Negra | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.51 | Gatta_Negra | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown -this is what I have at the moment |
| 15:05.52 | freemangordon | I have to discuss it with pali, but I don't see a reason why not |
| 15:06.02 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: yep, stock kernel |
| 15:06.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 15:06.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | a LOT of users are waiting for such patch for LOOOONG ;-) |
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| 15:06.35 | Gatta_Negra | that is what they give with the maemo flash instructions in 5 AM |
| 15:06.50 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: it is ok |
| 15:06.57 | Gatta_Negra | yes DocScrutinizer05 the issue seems to be a killer |
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| 15:07.29 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I'll look through the code, it shouldn't be hard |
| 15:07.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: I'm even willing to check friggin TRM for needed setup patches |
| 15:07.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you can't do that |
| 15:08.09 | freemangordon | I don;t think this will be needed, it is just a GPIO |
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| 15:08.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I'd prefer you check the code for existing inits that indicate there's a link in hw between GPIO_168 and the uSD VDD supply |
| 15:09.06 | freemangordon | but this is gpio 160, n0t 168 |
| 15:09.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 15:09.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | typo |
| 15:09.59 | Gatta_Negra | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.55 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: you bought the device from ebay? |
| 15:11.00 | Gatta_Negra | no |
| 15:11.02 | Gatta_Negra | local add |
| 15:11.06 | freemangordon | ok |
| 15:11.11 | Gatta_Negra | prodavalnik :D |
| 15:11.16 | freemangordon | yeah :D |
| 15:11.19 | Gatta_Negra | my first purchase there |
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| 15:11.46 | Gatta_Negra | it was my BD present for me :D |
| 15:12.07 | freemangordon | cute |
| 15:12.08 | Gatta_Negra | a cool thing it is , that Nokia even without sdcard |
| 15:12.26 | Gatta_Negra | I am sick of the onscreen keyboards of smartphones |
| 15:12.58 | Gatta_Negra | can not type fast enough with manicure, or even without it |
| 15:13.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA82LYF64es |
| 15:13.15 | Gatta_Negra | so the hardware keyboard combined with MyPaint is cool |
| 15:13.30 | freemangordon | hmm, my friend is online, going to ask her where did she repaired her device |
| 15:14.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: be CAREFUL with step 7) |
| 15:15.13 | Gatta_Negra | it is a flat thing with pins, right? |
| 15:15.33 | Gatta_Negra | i do not have spare screws here. I will need to buy some first |
| 15:15.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | stop with completing step 15) |
| 15:16.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | everybody reusing the original screws |
| 15:16.08 | android_808 | freemangordon: I haven't heard anything with regards to maintainer for mussorgsky, rtmpdump or get_iplayer and nothing from ifade re mussorgsky either. |
| 15:16.35 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ping |
| 15:16.57 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it is merlin1991 who gives the maintainer right, correct? |
| 15:17.02 | freemangordon | *rights |
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| 15:17.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | err usually, when I don't |
| 15:17.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | for extras* |
| 15:17.26 | freemangordon | yes |
| 15:18.00 | freemangordon | android_808: when did you request maintainership? some week ago? |
| 15:19.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: "thing with pins?" please elaborate |
| 15:19.37 | Gatta_Negra | DocScrutinizer05, would you recommend me doing disassemble now? If so, what to look for in there? |
| 15:20.08 | android_808 | Ok, think i just found a small tmo bug whilst trying to answer that ;) |
| 15:20.28 | Gatta_Negra | DocScrutinizer05, well the brown connector the an on the video is removing seem to be like the other ones I have seen - brown plate with pins on it, so the reason to be careful is not to harm the pins |
| 15:20.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you feel comfortable with the disassembly instruction, the you may go ahead, and inspect the daughterboard for visible mechanical damage |
| 15:21.02 | Gatta_Negra | I mean if pins are not what I am looking to keep intact what is the danger? |
| 15:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly pins, but basically yes |
| 15:21.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/sd/5000275091_sd.pdf |
| 15:21.48 | freemangordon | android_808: did you request to be the maintainer of those packages in the package interface? sorry, I forgot :) |
| 15:21.56 | android_808 | freemangordon: you replied to me on Monday so I think I probably sent it last Sunday. TMO doesn't seem to be recording sent messages so I can't tell if ifade got messages or not. |
| 15:22.08 | android_808 | Yes, via package interface |
| 15:22.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: lift in *the middle*, NOT at one of the small sides |
| 15:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | lift with a credit card or the like |
| 15:23.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | gently |
| 15:23.33 | android_808 | freemangordon: ignore tmo comment, it appears by default setting for saving sent items has disabled itself at some stage. |
| 15:23.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: NEVER bend the flex ribbon |
| 15:23.48 | Gatta_Negra | hmm. i have the plastic tool they are using |
| 15:23.52 | freemangordon | android_808: ok, I'll pester merlin1991 and DocScrutinizer05, you can do it as well ;) |
| 15:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | whistles and pretends to not be around |
| 15:24.26 | freemangordon | android_808: but not now, DocScrutinizer05 is in the middle of a delicate remote surgery :D |
| 15:25.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...and I'm busy to checkread a new PCB before it gets manufactured, and we don't want any bugs in that either |
| 15:25.45 | android_808 | freemangordon: so i see, missed start of conversation so i can only guess what his trying to fix. |
| 15:27.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: next you get good pictures of mainboard, e.g. on my server: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/ http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/n900_01.jpeg |
| 15:28.24 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: for the Neo? |
| 15:28.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 15:29.12 | freemangordon | sweet |
| 15:29.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/11/17/plasma-desktopLA3743.png is the sensor and the resistor (I'm guessing for the resistor). Check those two components for any visible damage |
| 15:30.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, that's NOT the resistor but a capacitor |
| 15:30.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | but anyway, the tine 4-leged black thing is the magnet sensor component |
| 15:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiny |
| 15:32.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | if somebody messed around with it then it's clear what to replace and fix |
| 15:32.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think anything else would be target of a fool's mods |
| 15:33.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you can't find any replacement, last aid is shorting or removing (== cut open. Depending on logic of this chip) two of the 4 legs of the black thing |
| 15:33.49 | Gatta_Negra | DocScrutinizer05, |
| 15:34.04 | Gatta_Negra | i found the issue :( |
| 15:34.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh |
| 15:34.25 | Gatta_Negra | little rectangular thing fll out |
| 15:34.28 | Gatta_Negra | ell* |
| 15:34.32 | Gatta_Negra | tc. Fell |
| 15:34.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | the sensor chip? |
| 15:34.50 | freemangordon | hmm, that's good news IMO |
| 15:35.00 | Gatta_Negra | i do not know. seems in the shape of 0201 |
| 15:35.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | what color? |
| 15:35.10 | Gatta_Negra | let me see where it fell from |
| 15:35.12 | Gatta_Negra | black |
| 15:35.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | does it look like http://wstaw.org/m/2013/11/17/plasma-desktopLA3743.png ? |
| 15:36.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | though that's more like 1208 |
| 15:36.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | not 0402 |
| 15:36.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0201 we don't even have on N900 |
| 15:36.35 | Gatta_Negra | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.52 | Gatta_Negra | one thing is missing on my board, compared with that picture |
| 15:36.57 | Gatta_Negra | the big black one |
| 15:37.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, the sensor |
| 15:37.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | good news |
| 15:37.07 | Gatta_Negra | mhm |
| 15:37.25 | Gatta_Negra | not so good as I'd have to learh now to put it back :D |
| 15:37.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme check which two pins you need to short |
| 15:37.35 | Gatta_Negra | at least YOU ARE GREAT! |
| 15:38.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | according to schematics you need to short pin2 and pin3 |
| 15:38.54 | Gatta_Negra | sorry. how to know which are they? |
| 15:39.04 | Gatta_Negra | i did not educate in elecronics |
| 15:39.25 | WizardNumberNext | Gatta_Negra, who did touch your n900? IMHO people, who are able to do such damage shouldn't touch any electronic device even, when it is fully assembled. |
| 15:39.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, even I have a hard time figuring which pin is which |
| 15:40.06 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: isn't there a dot on the right side of the sensor on that picture |
| 15:40.08 | Gatta_Negra | WizardNumberNext, it is 2nd hand |
| 15:40.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm trying hard to come up with a way to find out. Seems this chip has only 3 pads, not 4? |
| 15:40.22 | freemangordon | it is too blurry to be sure |
| 15:40.31 | Gatta_Negra | 3 - one bigger and two smaller |
| 15:40.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | OOOOH then the bigger one is 1 |
| 15:40.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
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| 15:40.55 | WizardNumberNext | Doc, do you have higher-res photo? There should be small deperession on chip near to pin 1 |
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| 15:41.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-11-17 16:27:12] <DocScrutinizer05> Gatta_Negra: next you get good pictures of mainboard, e.g. on my server: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/ http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/n900_01.jpeg |
| 15:41.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | should be highres enough for all reasonable purposes |
| 15:41.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I scanned them |
| 15:41.42 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: wouldn;t it be easier to put the sensor back than connecting 2 and 3? |
| 15:42.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: SMT, with an iron? |
| 15:42.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, we might thing about that option |
| 15:42.24 | freemangordon | seems there is enough free space around to solder it |
| 15:42.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | only need to think of *HOW* to do that |
| 15:42.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 15:42.39 | Gatta_Negra | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/11/17/plasma-desktopLA3743.png this is what I am looking . Look at the bottom right corner. lift glance up. there is a black chip and a brown one. The black is not attached to my board |
| 15:43.07 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: that one detects the magnet |
| 15:43.25 | Gatta_Negra | yes i am just explaining in details what happens here |
| 15:43.38 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: gas iron I guess is the safest bet |
| 15:43.44 | Gatta_Negra | i do believe shorting them is not a good idea |
| 15:43.49 | WizardNumberNext | looking on the scan, I think it should be possible to solder sensor with ordinary soldering iron |
| 15:44.01 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: or bringing the board in some repair centre |
| 15:44.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe |
| 15:44.02 | Gatta_Negra | do you think there are people that can solder this on place ? |
| 15:44.12 | freemangordon | sure |
| 15:44.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, there *are* people who can do this |
| 15:44.31 | Gatta_Negra | cause I do not think I will be good enough |
| 15:44.36 | Gatta_Negra | to do this |
| 15:44.40 | Gatta_Negra | it seems too tiny |
| 15:44.49 | Gatta_Negra | uhh i hate this :D |
| 15:45.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it needs reflow, can't get done with iron |
| 15:45.11 | Gatta_Negra | the chip does not have "legs" |
| 15:45.13 | WizardNumberNext | but it have be cleaned from any residue of tin, PCB have to receive just a touch of high quality rosin or similar product (best ould one which is half-liquid, half-solid) |
| 15:45.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, no legs |
| 15:45.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a "BGA" |
| 15:45.37 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: maybe the best option for her is to bring the board and the sensor to some repair centre |
| 15:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3pin Ball Grid Array |
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| 15:45.53 | Gatta_Negra | freemangordon, do you still live in BG? |
| 15:45.57 | freemangordon | yes |
| 15:45.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, definitely |
| 15:46.06 | Gatta_Negra | they will just laugh I think |
| 15:46.12 | WizardNumberNext | ups BGA is only reflow - hot-air gun - makes matter much easier, but first you need to have one |
| 15:46.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | slap their face when they laugh! |
| 15:46.21 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: no, why should they? |
| 15:47.03 | Gear_ | I need to change my main phone over to my pentesting phone, and then use my battered up speaker not quite working phoen as the "pentesting phone" |
| 15:47.05 | Gatta_Negra | freemangordon, i hate to say that but I do believe in cases like this they say" better buy a new phone" |
| 15:47.19 | Gear_ | how do I transfer all my crap? |
| 15:47.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 15:47.25 | infobot | it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 15:47.26 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: depends where you bring it |
| 15:47.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gear_: NB BM does NOT save/rstore *kernel* |
| 15:48.10 | Gear_ | what is nm bm |
| 15:48.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 15:48.31 | infobot | somebody said backupmenu was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 15:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nota Bene |
| 15:48.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka "watch out" |
| 15:48.56 | Gear_ | I want my contacts and shit, and programs |
| 15:49.02 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: BTW my friend said she wouldn't recommend the guys that repaired her USB port |
| 15:49.12 | Gear_ | I haven't made any kernel changes that I can remember |
| 15:49.15 | WizardNumberNext | Gear, for restore you nead to have exactly same kernel as you had, when making backup |
| 15:49.19 | Gear_ | I'm running cssu |
| 15:49.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu is not changing kernel |
| 15:49.38 | Gatta_Negra | cool. now. i will assemble the nokia again. if you happen to know s.one fixing this kind of stuff I am all ears :D |
| 15:49.40 | WizardNumberNext | which one is important question |
| 15:50.03 | Gear_ | but if it's cssu on a different phone, is that a different kernel? |
| 15:50.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: sorry, off for some coffee. highlight me if any further questions |
| 15:50.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: also ping me when somebody misbehaves in channel and makes you feel unconfortable, please |
| 15:50.52 | freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: there are lots of shops in sofia they repair mobiles as well |
| 15:51.07 | WizardNumberNext | Gear_, you need to install different kernel manualy to change it, no soft would change it without your knowledge and expressed wish |
| 15:51.25 | freemangordon | just give them a call tomorrow and ask if they can do BGA reflow |
| 15:51.27 | Gear_ | ok cool. |
| 15:51.44 | WizardNumberNext | so do not worry, if you didn't install any kernel, then you have stock kernel |
| 15:52.10 | WizardNumberNext | it is your choice, if you need different kernel |
| 15:52.23 | Gear_ | when I first got the phone I used power kernel, now I use cssu |
| 15:52.45 | Gear_ | I've had it about 3 years I think? |
| 15:52.56 | WizardNumberNext | BM is very usuful - I store all my backups on my server and I can access their contents any time |
| 15:53.01 | Gear_ | and I got another one as a backup for when this one died, because it's a phone |
| 15:53.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: Gatta_Negra: 3pin reflow!! |
| 15:53.30 | WizardNumberNext | did you ever reflashed or uninstall KP (kernel-power) or install different kernel? |
| 15:53.41 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: :nod: |
| 15:54.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a different challenge than reflowing a 800 ball SoC |
| 15:54.08 | Gear_ | it said a seamless upgrade so I'm pretty sure I just let cssu do it's thing because it said it was compatible, or possibly evne needed it? |
| 15:54.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | you *almost* could do it with iron |
| 15:54.53 | Gatta_Negra | mm. I will try to find s.one. and I will come in the channel regularly |
| 15:55.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | omly almsot, but in the end not really |
| 15:55.02 | Gatta_Negra | I thank you soo soo much! |
| 15:55.07 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yeah :D. BTW we have station in our office, though I don't know if it is only vacuum or has hot air too |
| 15:55.19 | WizardNumberNext | Gear_, just to make sure what kernel yopu have: use X terminal and type uname -r |
| 15:55.22 | Gatta_Negra | now knowing hte source of the issue I am happier even in that situation |
| 15:55.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: you're welcome! :-) |
| 15:56.00 | android_808 | has anyone got any experience with obexctl from bluez 5.10? |
| 15:56.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | android_808: ask freemangordon |
| 15:56.33 | WizardNumberNext | android_808, I didn't know there is bluez 5 |
| 15:56.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | he knows the guy who might |
| 15:56.54 | freemangordon | android_808: ask luf, if you manage to catch him on #maemo-ssu |
| 15:57.01 | freemangordon | ~seen luf |
| 15:57.02 | infobot | luf <~luf@ip-89-103-184-55.net.upcbroadband.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 67d 23h 10m 1s ago, saying: 'Because current cssu-t has a bug in file browsing.'. |
| 15:57.34 | freemangordon | hmm, I can bet I saw him a couple of days ago |
| 15:57.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe luf__ |
| 15:58.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | nameserv is your friend ;-) |
| 15:58.22 | freemangordon | naah, too complicated for me :D |
| 15:58.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-11-17 16:58:16] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen : Nov 15 19:22:01 2013 (1 day, 20:36:15 ago) |
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| 15:59.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | bot only sees users who SAY something |
| 15:59.13 | android_808 | never really used irc before today so way beyond me at the mo |
| 16:00.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | android_808: /join #maemo-ssu + wait for user "luf" |
| 16:01.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | /msg nickserv info luf |
| 16:03.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | or try /query luf and start with "sorry pestering you in private query..." |
| 16:04.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | refer him to https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-11-17.log.html#t2013-11-17T17:58:07 |
| 16:04.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I told you to do so |
| 16:06.11 | android_808 | DocScrutinizer05: Will do, got it open in a tab. Trying to do some more experimenting with bluez (MAP+PBAP). Laptop constantly dropping bluetooth with bluez4 due to an issue with pulseaudio. As a result its forced my hand to upgrade to bluez5 and a more recent pulseaudio, but that changes all obex related tests to obexctl. |
| 16:06.53 | android_808 | All laptop side. |
| 16:07.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | bluez is a nightmare |
| 16:12.02 | android_808 | Its a case of get on thing working, something stops. Now testing has become harder because gnome3 & gvfs no longer does obex transfer/browsing from what I can tell (Archlinux+XFCE here) |
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| 16:21.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | gvfs, another abomination |
| 16:22.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | though, it can't be THAT bad, Poettering doesn't like it |
| 16:22.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 16:23.19 | android_808 | DocScrutinizer05: think i need to learn irc commands. Thought i needed to do /query luf blabla. Long message disappeared and just opened new dialog tab in hexchat :( |
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| 16:24.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | some starting point: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 16:24.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | not ideal, but has some good info about freenode |
| 16:25.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | using a convenient IRC client also helps a lot |
| 16:25.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno hexchat |
| 16:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I started with Konversation, and on maemo devices I always use xchat |
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| 16:27.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | from android_808: HexChat 2.9.6 / Linux 3.12.0-1-ARCH [i686/800.50MHz/SMP] I conclude you're using an android tablet |
| 16:28.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, Archlinux |
| 16:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry ;-D |
| 16:28.53 | android_808 | Will do later. Laptop running low on battery, charging phone because don't yet have Bluez5 and networking up and running again yet, needs more gnome stuff to work |
| 16:29.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | :) |
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| 16:37.25 | android_808 | It wasn't a tablet, was my Eee 1000. battery died, but at least it charged N900. Off home to charge it |
| 16:38.39 | Gatta_Negra | i assembled it |
| 16:38.50 | Gatta_Negra | it is as before :D |
| 16:39.01 | Gatta_Negra | i mean it boots. etc. |
| 16:39.12 | Gatta_Negra | (i did not expect stg. else ) |
| 16:39.36 | Gatta_Negra | I am going afk, and I thank you once again for all the help! |
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| 22:56.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1387162#post1387162 |
| 22:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: YW |
| 22:57.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
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