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| 00:56.45 | Wizzup | n900 keeps telling me it cannot store or recieve messages because the device is full... df -h shows nothing filled above 60% |
| 00:57.52 | Wizzup | seems its ro |
| 01:05.20 | Wizzup | hm... could do with a fsck... |
| 01:07.09 | Wizzup | ouch, i/o errors on .modest |
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| 02:44.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: serious advice? |
| 02:44.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash |
| 02:44.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | restore |
| 02:44.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | profit |
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| 06:11.14 | sono | profit? yay! |
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| 08:58.13 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: ouch @ reflash.... ok |
| 08:58.59 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: I also got an io error in .modest -- doesn't that indicate it's more than broken? |
| 08:59.07 | Wizzup | like, more than on fs level |
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| 09:22.07 | anYc | then do a fsck |
| 09:22.50 | Wizzup | anYc: I tried several ways (all that involve power-kernel, which I have): /etc/kernel-power/force_fsck , /etc/defaults/kernel etc |
| 09:22.56 | Wizzup | none seems to actually do a fsck |
| 09:23.12 | anYc | hm ok, I used nemo from sdcard for that |
| 09:23.18 | Wizzup | that's a possibility |
| 09:23.29 | Wizzup | I wanted to give nemo another try anyway ;-) |
| 09:23.42 | Wizzup | meanwhile. modest keeps crashing every 10 seconds and my phone is pretty unusable |
| 09:23.51 | anYc | but it was too late then, the partition with /home/user/ and /opt was half gone |
| 09:24.15 | Wizzup | I dropped my n900 two days ago and the battery fell out, that's the only reason I can think of |
| 09:24.16 | anYc | in my case modest was starting but it didn't fetch new mails anymore |
| 09:24.20 | Wizzup | that of the mmc is dying? |
| 09:24.25 | Wizzup | s/of/or/ |
| 09:24.36 | Wizzup | which would be worse, I guess |
| 09:25.11 | anYc | both possible I would say. My device works again, only several configs were missing. |
| 09:25.44 | anYc | I remember, I wanted to check if maemo isn't doing fs check at boot |
| 09:26.35 | Wizzup | it can be enforced apparently, with kernel-power |
| 09:26.40 | Wizzup | but it doesn't work, for me at least |
| 09:27.07 | Wizzup | maybe I can just temporarily remove the whole .modest folder |
| 09:27.12 | Wizzup | (since I don't really use email on it anyway) |
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| 10:06.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash! |
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| 10:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I/O errors are no fs corruption usually. MAYBE you can fix them with a low level format (==reflash) |
| 10:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are the drop destroyed the eMMC (soldering) |
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| 10:09.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: ^^^ |
| 10:11.25 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 10:11.30 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: I also have a spare n900 lying around, but yeah |
| 10:11.48 | Wizzup | I'll start making backups again ;-) |
| 10:11.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB *full* reflash needed |
| 10:11.54 | Wizzup | yes |
| 10:11.57 | Wizzup | I understood |
| 10:12.02 | Wizzup | How does that solve i/o errors? |
| 10:12.14 | Wizzup | will force the mmc to place stuff elsewhere? |
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| 10:13.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | when eMMC simply has bad blocks, then a reflash may create a new internal bad block table AIUI |
| 10:14.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, basically all blocks move each time you write them |
| 10:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | wear leveling |
| 10:15.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | eMMC does this internally and *should* tag bad erase pages |
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| 10:17.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I heard similar problems oftem, usually related to briute force shutdown which can cause MMC aborted flash that even can destroy flash storage completely |
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| 10:18.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and usually fsck is at best a time consuming and cumbersome process, oftem it even makes things worse |
| 10:18.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | a reflash is a walk in the park compared to fsck |
| 10:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | even *with* backup and restore of all your data and re-installation of your apps |
| 10:29.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: flash storage working like: read erase page to internal buffer RAM; modify the block of data the CPU wants to write; meanwhile erase (an) erase page; modify the internal management data which lives in reserved block of every erase page; write back the data from internal RAM to the erase page. |
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| 10:30.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | now figure what happens when you remove power during that process |
| 10:30.56 | Wizzup | well I didn't drop it on purpose ;-) |
| 10:31.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 10:31.04 | Wizzup | I'll reflash it in a bit |
| 10:31.08 | Wizzup | I managed to make a backup |
| 10:31.32 | Wizzup | and the phone is quite new and unused |
| 10:31.37 | Wizzup | so I hope the emmc is not dead yet |
| 10:33.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are only a page erase failed, or the write didn't complete, thus leaving garbled management data. This should be a problem the card controller can eventually fix during a complete format which happens on a full reflash |
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| 10:36.42 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: Will try. ty. |
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| 11:12.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: ask ShadowJK, he's the flash storage wiz here |
| 11:13.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | my understanding of how flash storage works is just rudimentary compared to his expertise |
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| 11:14.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | however empirically a reflash is the more convenient way to fix the problems you described |
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| 19:22.41 | FatPhil | Anyone stripped down an n900, and dealt with the stylus clip? |
| 19:23.17 | FatPhil | I'm doing more 2 broken -> 1 working hacks, and a (broken) stylus clip has just catapaulted itself across the room |
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| 19:27.30 | FatPhil | fark! yeah, the broken clip had migrated a long way from where it should be. No exploding springs from the non-broken one |
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| 21:10.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | FatPhil: hmm? |
| 21:12.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | on n900 the stylus clip is a simple halfmoon steel stripe with a plastic notch on top, no? |
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| 21:13.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, there's a 2nd one at the resection at stylus tip |
| 21:14.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | the one I meant is close to the hole where you shove in the stylus, and it's known to occasionally bend terribly |
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| 21:16.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | (bend) maybe when the plastic tip comes off and the steel cuts into stylus so it can't get pulled out without bending the spring to death |
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| 21:17.57 | dack | DocScrutinizer05: my N900 came with an all plastic stylus |
| 21:18.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 21:18.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | all are all plastic |
| 21:19.32 | dack | DocScrutinizer05: sorry, I thought you were talking about the stylus, not the clip holding the stylus.. misread that. ;) |
| 21:19.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 21:25.44 | mashina_ | the n800 had a nice stylus |
| 21:25.50 | mashina_ | triangle, for nicer holding |
| 21:25.56 | mashina_ | partially metal |
| 21:26.02 | mashina_ | mine looked kinda out of shape though |
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| 22:16.42 | john_______ | Hi, is there somebody please? |
| 22:20.13 | john_______ | I have a question... |
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| 22:22.43 | chainsawbike | john_____ ask it :) |
| 22:24.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh, "first 500 preorders will be served by DNA at 27th of November" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C46ytkh5RZY Jolla |
| 22:24.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask |
| 22:24.32 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 22:25.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | longest e-peen I even seeeeeeeeeeen |
| 22:25.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 22:26.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi____ been humble against it |
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| 22:49.57 | john_______ | Ok, I'm new here, thank you for the many tips. I would like to ask how fast the neo900's CPU is compared to the N900's |
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| 23:07.51 | sixwheeledbeast | john_______: http://neo900.org/specs |
| 23:08.20 | sixwheeledbeast | ~ask |
| 23:08.21 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 23:09.02 | john_______ | sixwheeledbeast, checked alrady, no answer to my question |
| 23:09.14 | john_______ | 2x faster, 10 times faster? |
| 23:09.26 | john_______ | Both are same Cortex A8 |
| 23:09.28 | sixwheeledbeast | the specs are side by side |
| 23:09.35 | john_______ | 3 years old |
| 23:09.51 | john_______ | I know, but can't find the neo900's on Wiki |
| 23:10.22 | john_______ | If it's only the clock bump, it would be the same as overclocking the n900's CPU, no? |
| 23:10.50 | sixwheeledbeast | "faster" is subjective IMO |
| 23:17.31 | sixwheeledbeast | It clearly says the CPU's are different 3430 600Mhz Vs 3730 1Ghz |
| 23:19.43 | john_______ | Do you also know some things about the GPU? I there HW h264 support? |
| 23:23.04 | sixwheeledbeast | Nope. It's all proposed at the moment anyway. But I am not the best person to ask. |
| 23:26.46 | john_______ | Thx anyway sixwheeledbeast |
| 23:27.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | john_______: for CPU yes, it's just the clock, and DM3730 runs at 1GHz while N900 runs at 500(600)MHz. However GPU is about 2 times faster and more powerful, and the bottlenext RAM is two times minimum, which makes for a speed increaso of magnitudes |
| 23:28.12 | john_______ | Ah, thx DocScrutinizer05 |
| 23:28.53 | john_______ | I saw the N900 had some trouble decoding media easily, and I would like to use it to watch mkv's smoothly |
| 23:28.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and 3530 is h.264 base profile while it seems dm3730 can handle high profile |
| 23:29.03 | john_______ | Really love your project! |
| 23:29.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 23:29.41 | Defiant | up to 720p |
| 23:29.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup, high profile |
| 23:30.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 |
| 23:30.41 | john_______ | Looks ok to me, will check the ARM though (shouldn't be a beast, but at least it should run smooth) |
| 23:30.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | thread search |
| 23:31.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I elaborated on DM3730 improved capabilities there |
| 23:31.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | like 20M polygons / second instead of 10 |
| 23:32.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | DSP also has more grunt beyond mere clock boost |
| 23:34.19 | john_______ | (reading the threat you gave me) |
| 23:34.45 | john_______ | Also: owenh seems to have an interesting question, I relay it: |
| 23:35.04 | john_______ | [07:42] <owenh> Hi all, probably it has already been mentioned; what about wireless master (AP) mode on the neo900? |
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| 23:35.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1376477 |
| 23:36.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | WLAN module not finalized yet |
| 23:36.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | we will pick the best we can cram in and particularly can buy on low quantities |
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| 23:37.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | please read feasibility study, it elaborated a bit on our options |
| 23:38.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | we need a WLAN module suited for embedded mobile |
| 23:38.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | means it mustn't cut thru battery in 2h |
| 23:38.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | most WLAN chipsets are not optimized for that |
| 23:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | since on a laptop it's negligible |
| 23:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you probably wouldn't want a WLAN that needs to get disabled as soon as *the devie* doesn't need to transmit data, would you? |
| 23:40.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | device even |
| 23:40.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I love it very much that my N900 can idle on IRC and WLAN for 24h easily |
| 23:41.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and Neo900 must have same capabilities |
| 23:41.52 | john_______ | I love my N900, great phone, excellent, and I love this project, I really do, I hope this gets traction. I also do hope it will be a little bit beefier :) |
| 23:42.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | so AP is a bit down on the priority list of requirements for WLAN module, but we will try to find one that has AP too |
| 23:42.22 | john_______ | Thx DocScrutinizer05 |
| 23:42.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 23:42.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for your interest |
| 23:42.59 | john_______ | I will continue running down the forum for the other info, you've been a great help |
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