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| 03:53.02 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; i'd like dual usd trays. however, if you look at raspberrypi, people buy the shittiest possible usd that at best works a couple days before corrupting |
| 03:53.40 | ShadowJK | but then again, I'd have more faith in myself being able to select a good uSD than someone else selecting a good emmc |
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| 03:55.38 | ShadowJK | get the same emmc as in nexus 7.2013 :))) |
| 03:55.46 | ShadowJK | it's good |
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| 08:43.45 | troulouliou_dev | hi sometimes the phone apps freeze in "on screen" minimized mode; i have this issue since i switched to cssu testing |
| 08:43.48 | troulouliou_dev | any ideas ? |
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| 10:47.04 | EgS | Kollege dazu: Da Google kein Extra-Doodle anzeigt, ist heute ein ganz gewöhnlicher "Ich-Lauf-Amok-Tag" (Hallo NSA) :D |
| 10:47.07 | EgS | allmost :) |
| 10:51.55 | EgS | well that was obviously the wrong channel... that was the joking response of someone to the fact that today is world kindness day... sorry for that ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Kindness_Day |
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| 12:14.41 | FIQ | so donating to the neo900 project sends a physicl invoice or a mail one? just wondering why address is needed |
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| 14:15.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: address needed for later shipping. invoice is a mail |
| 14:16.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: Neo900 donation is the only "product" of goldeliCo that doesn't instantly deliver material goods |
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| 14:23.32 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: I see |
| 14:24.28 | FIQ | all right then, yes I was rather confused as it isn't a (guranteed) preorder |
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| 14:26.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: we didn't find an insurance that would contract us and cover our ass when/IF we run into some terrible mishap, like "all sources decided to not ship DM3730 anymore" |
| 14:29.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | but our calculations stand: we can reach MP readiness for 25k, so even when such mishap/disaster happened to us imediately after we reached MP ready and before we can start MP, the coverage is already 35/25 (I.E. we would've used up 25k of the already raised 35k donations). We would pay back the remaining 10k in that case |
| 14:29.44 | FIQ | makes sense |
| 14:30.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | MP itself is insured by fab, no risk there :-D |
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| 17:51.00 | dos1 | is there some way to flash bootloader/kernel from running n900? (without usb and pc) |
| 17:51.34 | dos1 | (yes/no will be enough ;)) |
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| 18:05.45 | bef0rd | I think there is dos1 |
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| 18:06.29 | BCMM | dos1: the kernel can certainly be updated by the package manager. however, i'm not sure what "flashing the bootloader" entails |
| 18:06.58 | bef0rd | NOLO maybe? not sure if that can be replaced |
| 18:07.47 | bef0rd | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80840 i guess Pali knows better |
| 18:08.23 | freemangordon | bef0rd: NOLO is on NAND |
| 18:08.43 | freemangordon | so I see no reason why it couldn;t be flashed |
| 18:09.40 | zamn900 | hello |
| 18:11.05 | bef0rd | freemangordon: ah, but is there a replacement? I remember installing uboot on N900 by stskeeps, not sure if it "replaced" nolo, or just installed itself after NOLO (chained loaded?) |
| 18:11.29 | freemangordon | uboot on n900 is like linux kernel |
| 18:11.38 | freemangordon | it can;t replace NOLO |
| 18:11.42 | freemangordon | (so far) |
| 18:12.20 | freemangordon | bef0rd: BTW if you're going to install u-boot, use Pali's one |
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| 18:12.57 | Pali | freemangordon: what about deleting all other uboot versions from extras repo? |
| 18:12.59 | bef0rd | oh, no, I'm just asking because of dos1's question :) |
| 18:13.34 | freemangordon | Pali: well, raise the question to the council |
| 18:13.44 | freemangordon | otherwise it sounds sane to me |
| 18:14.33 | freemangordon | Pali: or open a thread on TMO, I'll add my +1 to it |
| 18:18.28 | zamn900 | I want to kill all the@workless tasks as I must go out and use my phone just for phone... and kill also daemons... please don't tell me about the switch between tablet and phone |
| 18:19.10 | freemangordon | zamn900: you want to do what? |
| 18:19.25 | freemangordon | I can;t parse " all the@workless tasks" |
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| 18:20.17 | zamn900 | I want to kill all the workless tasks as I must go out and use my phone just for phone... and kill also daemons... please don't tell me about the switch between tablet and phone |
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| 18:21.24 | freemangordon | zamn900: do you have some real problem with background tasks, or you thunk it will be cool to leave only ome application running? |
| 18:21.32 | freemangordon | *one |
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| 18:22.38 | sono | recommends optimizen900 |
| 18:22.49 | zamn900 | I don't think... I must have my n900 with battery alive for long |
| 18:22.50 | sono | also runs, ducks, and dives away from freemangordon's bullets |
| 18:23.06 | freemangordon | recommends to not install anything but swappolube |
| 18:23.07 | sono | zamn900: switch to GSM only, let it sleep when it wants to. |
| 18:23.29 | sono | undervolt, underclock |
| 18:23.43 | zamn900 | I have already followed that guide about battery life |
| 18:23.53 | freemangordon | zamn900: what guide? |
| 18:23.57 | zamn900 | included gsm |
| 18:24.18 | zamn900 | on n900 please I don't find the guide |
| 18:24.29 | freemangordon | zamn900: what is your problem? |
| 18:24.53 | freemangordon | bad battery life? |
| 18:24.56 | sono | checks out swappolube |
| 18:25.17 | zamn900 | well...if possible I want to create a profile for being with less tasks than possible |
| 18:25.34 | sono | <- new user since 2-3 months |
| 18:25.40 | freemangordon | zamn900: I got that, but wonder why you would want to do that |
| 18:25.52 | sono | zamn900: as we explained to you before, the number of tasks is largely irrelevant |
| 18:25.59 | sono | zamn900: we had this discussion a week? ago |
| 18:26.18 | zamn900 | maybe is battey old... but killing tasks would help |
| 18:26.30 | freemangordon | zamn900: no, it will not |
| 18:26.41 | zamn900 | I mean I don't have to explain |
| 18:26.46 | freemangordon | the major consumers are display and radios |
| 18:27.03 | freemangordon | zamn900: how old is your battery? |
| 18:27.07 | zamn900 | but I am pretty sure that killing tasks helps to battery life |
| 18:27.24 | sono | go ahead and buy a shotgun, then. i already lost patience last time |
| 18:27.26 | freemangordon | zamn900: that helps only if you have a runaway process |
| 18:27.33 | zamn900 | idk how old it is lol |
| 18:28.01 | freemangordon | well, buy a new battery before heading to the road of reflash |
| 18:28.39 | zamn900 | freemangordon, I am not kidding as you are |
| 18:28.46 | sono | really has to do more with the n900 sometime |
| 18:28.55 | freemangordon | zamn900: Am I kidding? |
| 18:29.05 | sono | plonktime |
| 18:29.11 | freemangordon | I don;t thinks so, I really recommend you to buy a new battery |
| 18:29.31 | bef0rd | most of the process/daemons are required for phone functionality I guess |
| 18:29.35 | freemangordon | Batteries tend to lose capacity with the age |
| 18:29.48 | freemangordon | bef0rd: :nod: |
| 18:30.11 | sono | besides, a sleeping process eats exactly zero memory unless you can partially power down dram |
| 18:30.14 | sono | which the n900 probably cannot |
| 18:30.18 | freemangordon | though I guess trackerd could be cilled, along with a couple of other daemons |
| 18:30.23 | sono | s/memory/energy |
| 18:30.57 | freemangordon | sono: correct, it is usually in some select() |
| 18:31.05 | freemangordon | or the likes |
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| 18:32.50 | ShadowJK | in dram refresh, battery life is on order of weeks |
| 18:33.18 | ShadowJK | Also, I get a new battery every 18 months |
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| 18:34.47 | sono | clicks around in swappolube |
| 18:35.01 | freemangordon | sono: be careful |
| 18:35.05 | sono | sure |
| 18:35.21 | freemangordon | sono: the things I'd recommend to change are: |
| 18:35.29 | freemangordon | swappiness to 30 |
| 18:35.36 | sono | looks like a bunch of sysfs parameters in a ui |
| 18:36.40 | freemangordon | nr_requests to 512 |
| 18:36.58 | freemangordon | I guess ShadowJK will disagree here :) |
| 18:37.34 | sono | proposed is 128, yea |
| 18:37.36 | freemangordon | soltys: oh, and page-cluster to 0 |
| 18:37.47 | freemangordon | sono: ^^^ |
| 18:37.48 | sono | mhm |
| 18:37.54 | sono | low-traffic here =) |
| 18:38.08 | freemangordon | 128 is too low IMO |
| 18:38.59 | freemangordon | I did a lot of testing some 2-3 years ago, 512 was the pest trade between speed and responsiveness |
| 18:39.07 | freemangordon | for my use cases ofc |
| 18:39.22 | freemangordon | best even |
| 18:39.32 | sono | why do you recommend laptop_mode=1 |
| 18:39.36 | freemangordon | me? |
| 18:39.38 | sono | mmc0 is the internal nand? |
| 18:39.40 | freemangordon | I don;t |
| 18:39.41 | sono | no, it |
| 18:39.44 | freemangordon | NFC |
| 18:39.59 | sono | mmc1 is the uSD? |
| 18:40.09 | freemangordon | anyway, GF is calling, gtg, bye |
| 18:40.12 | sono | bai |
| 18:42.14 | zamn900 | I found now this |
| 18:43.18 | zamn900 | sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 18:45.39 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 18:45.45 | ShadowJK | pointless :) |
| 18:45.48 | sono | well well, a few tuned kernel parameters |
| 18:45.54 | sono | let's see if i notice the changes |
| 18:46.13 | zamn900 | does it? |
| 18:46.14 | sono | or if i at least placebo notice the noticing of the changes. |
| 18:51.44 | zamn900 | http://shootspeak.com/2010/12/05/nokia-n900-performance-tweaks/ |
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| 18:54.49 | zamn900 | the battery patch does not work anymore |
| 18:55.25 | ShadowJK | it never worked lol |
| 18:55.25 | ShadowJK | same for speedpatch. |
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| 19:04.25 | lexik | *never* use speed patch & battery patch :P |
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| 19:09.33 | freemangordon | zamn900: where did you got batterysuckpatch from? |
| 19:09.41 | freemangordon | afaik it was removed from the repos |
| 19:09.47 | freemangordon | *get |
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| 19:18.33 | zamn900 | swappolube is all I wanted |
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| 21:16.33 | freemangordon | guys, any idea? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1386094&postcount=19 |
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| 21:18.14 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: Pali: DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ |
| 21:19.04 | freemangordon | It was a while I flashed for a last time, I am afraid that I may give the guy wrong advices |
| 21:21.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually I'll kick this zammy guy |
| 21:25.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, battery defect |
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| 21:26.25 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: what about that guy who has trouble flashing? |
| 21:26.28 | freemangordon | any idea? |
| 21:26.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, battery defect |
| 21:27.30 | freemangordon | yep, I thought the same as device enters ACT_DEAD mode |
| 21:27.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | both flashes seem to have succeeded, so I don't see any problem other than hardware |
| 21:27.41 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 21:28.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | is waiting til some fool siggests coldflashing |
| 21:28.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | suggests* |
| 21:28.17 | freemangordon | already suggested :D |
| 21:28.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 21:29.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | terribly damaged NAND might be another explanation |
| 21:29.09 | freemangordon | hmm, no, I am wrong |
| 21:29.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | too many bad blocks |
| 21:29.23 | freemangordon | to enter ACT_DEAD? |
| 21:29.26 | freemangordon | I doubt |
| 21:29.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, to reboot |
| 21:29.41 | freemangordon | it enters ACT_DEAD mode |
| 21:29.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see act_dead happening |
| 21:30.04 | freemangordon | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1386025&postcount=6 |
| 21:30.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | he says he sees 5 dots, then dcreen dims, then 2 yellow flashes and reboot |
| 21:30.30 | freemangordon | see that post |
| 21:30.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I'm only reading last report |
| 21:30.50 | freemangordon | well, see that one :) |
| 21:30.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 21:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | grrr |
| 21:31.09 | freemangordon | anyway, I am out of time |
| 21:31.12 | freemangordon | night |
| 21:32.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | random noise |
| 21:32.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't tell me anything except that the dude seems to have bought a device with HW defect, caused by overvoltage or sttaic discharge or whatever |
| 21:33.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | he reflashed, device boots normal, deevice enters first-boot optification, device reboots |
| 21:33.54 | freemangordon | yep :( |
| 21:34.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | irrelevant what happened before he reflashed |
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| 21:38.31 | xes | my opinion is batt voltage too low. I can remember the same behavior with my old battery. I enabled framebuffer and the reboot cause was the voltage too low |
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| 21:44.01 | xes | Pali: have you tried my trojita build for fremantle? i have just played a little with it....and seems to work not too bad. But qml interface needs a lot of work to fit the N900. Who may have experience with it? |
| 21:44.35 | Pali | I started it and there was problem with resolution |
| 21:44.39 | Pali | but looks like it worked |
| 21:44.57 | Pali | I do not know how has experience with it |
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| 21:46.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ohsw.org/ always makes me want a t-shirt "I survived a hard software workshop" |
| 21:47.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: exactly! and hi! :) |
| 21:48.19 | xes | Pali: i have tried an imap account with ssl and many many folders and it pretty good behavior (excluding theme) |
| 21:48.25 | xes | hi DocScrutinizer05! |
| 21:49.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's trojita? |
| 21:49.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like a dangerous mexican weapon |
| 21:50.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe a drink? |
| 21:50.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | mojito |
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| 21:52.13 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: a qml imap client that so far was available only for harmattan or desktop |
| 21:52.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 21:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, freemangordon beat me on quoting you |
| 21:53.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | qml on desktop? O tempora, oh mores! |
| 21:54.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe it makes more sense on desktop than on resource-limited embedded, anyway |
| 21:54.47 | xes | would you try my first fremantle build? Do you feel brave? Here it is: http://ge.tt/91rvm9z/v/0 |
| 21:55.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might have guessed already: I don't like the concept of java and/or qml apps |
| 21:55.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: sorry, I don't use any mail on N900 |
| 21:55.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd give a poor tester |
| 21:56.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I bet a zillion happy users will welcome an alternative to modest |
| 21:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should consider copying account settings from modest and then kicking modest with the huge boot and replace it by trojita |
| 21:57.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | at very least make sure modest is no longer called every so often to check for mails |
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| 22:12.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: xes: (reboot) I just remembered when and why it reboots: GSM TX |
| 22:12.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | removing SIM might be worth the hassle ;-) |
| 22:13.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...for testing something that's not telling you much in the end ;-) |
| 22:13.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | high ESR of battery makes Vbat drop below minimum as soon as TX draws 2A burst |
| 22:14.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | the timing seems to match the problem description |
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