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| 08:36.42 | vi__ | yo |
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| 08:50.16 | vi__ | what is the design process of the neon900? |
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| 08:50.51 | vi__ | I understand it is the GTA04 board, re-shaped to fit an n900 casing. |
| 08:51.07 | vi__ | Who is doing the re-shaping? |
| 08:51.28 | vi__ | What format are the schematics in? |
| 08:56.12 | jon_y | neon900 |
| 08:56.21 | jon_y | didn't think it changed titles :) |
| 08:59.00 | Aggese | vi__, http://neo900.org/ |
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| 09:20.22 | vi__ | I found the feasibility study. |
| 09:20.28 | vi__ | That is what I wanted to read. |
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| 09:27.39 | Wizzup | wow, the n900 donation made it |
| 09:27.48 | Wizzup | is still planning to donate soonish |
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| 09:42.27 | l4m3rx | yep, the neo900 project seems to be starting up quite nicely ;] |
| 09:42.42 | anYc | interesting, css works on talk.maemo.org but not on www.maemo.org |
| 09:45.27 | l4m3rx | in microb? |
| 09:46.05 | l4m3rx | it seems to work normaly for me... just tested it. |
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| 09:57.11 | ShadowJK | css on www is on port 81 |
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| 10:04.52 | anYc | couldn't WMO refer to the css of TMO? I'm behind a firewall here |
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| 10:44.03 | DrCode | hi all |
| 10:44.09 | DrCode | when I my n900 connect to car bluetooth , my volume get mute |
| 10:44.24 | DrCode | any idea? |
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| 10:52.35 | vi__ | kerio: yo |
| 10:52.48 | kerio | sup |
| 10:52.57 | vi__ | whats new with n900? |
| 10:53.02 | vi__ | I have been away. |
| 10:53.03 | kerio | idk |
| 10:53.07 | kerio | mine has a broken wifi |
| 10:53.20 | vi__ | okily dokily then. |
| 10:53.24 | kerio | apart for that... idk |
| 10:53.27 | vi__ | How did you break the wifi? |
| 10:53.27 | kerio | the neo900 project |
| 10:53.31 | kerio | i have no idea |
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| 10:54.06 | vi__ | time to pick up an n900 with a fooked screen on fleabay for $10. |
| 10:54.20 | kerio | i already have two n900 |
| 10:54.38 | kerio | one has a broken musb, the other has a broken wifi |
| 10:54.42 | vi__ | only 2? |
| 10:54.50 | kerio | "only" |
| 10:54.56 | vi__ | I have ~4 working. |
| 10:54.57 | kerio | do you think i'm made of money dude |
| 10:54.58 | vi__ | XD |
| 10:55.48 | vi__ | :-!actually, maybe only 3 since the great CMT failure of 201. |
| 10:56.01 | vi__ | actually, maybe only 3 since the great CMT failure of 2013. |
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| 11:25.07 | ShadowJK | migrating to fifth n900, cmt fail |
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| 11:34.28 | kolp | I just started using the 4th (or 5th??) a few weeks ago because of that :/ |
| 11:34.37 | kolp | Running out of spares... |
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| 11:39.27 | ShadowJK | i have no more spares |
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| 11:51.26 | l4m3rx | huh |
| 11:51.55 | l4m3rx | i'm still on my first ... |
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| 12:15.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm actually on my first two still, though I admit wouldn't notice when t900 (devel device) cmt fails - no SIM |
| 12:16.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I start to wonder if cmt failure maybe is an EM problem similar to OC burnout but on the BB5 TX |
| 12:17.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW the cmt breaks after a certain amount of call-hours*TXpower^3 got used up, pa |
| 12:17.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | -, pa |
| 12:18.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: are you living in an area with poor GSM signal? are you using GPRS a lot or doing many long phonecalls? |
| 12:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I goddamn wish Nokia would disclose the results of their internal failure analysis regarding that cmt breakage |
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| 13:33.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ** RECOVERY Service Alert: www.maemo.org/Disk is OK ** |
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| 13:44.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen thedead1440 |
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| 13:47.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://xkcd.com/1286/ |
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| 14:03.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1pvefs/openphoenux_neo900_25k_funded_in_less_than_a_week/ |
| 14:03.54 | Tekk_ | congrats DocScrutinizer05! |
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| 14:04.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>I know that. I was just saying that you can't say people don't trust Canonical. If they had set their goal at 12 million they would have 480 times more money.<< Answer: with a community ~10000 times larger, driven by a company definitely 10^9 times larger |
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| 14:04.47 | Tekk_ | DocScrutinizer05: you have a company for phoenux? :P |
| 14:05.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>OpenPhoenux Neo900: 25k€ funded in less than a week! Donations are still open and qualify for a rebate on a finished device.<< Answer: but they asked for 200+ donations of >100EUR and have only reached ~80 so far |
| 14:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Tekk_: GolDeliCo of course is a company |
| 14:05.50 | Tekk_ | h |
| 14:06.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | @all: if anybody can get bothered to answer - much appreciated. I don't have neither want an account on reddit |
| 14:06.21 | Tekk_ | oh, any hope for a gecko update in the future or too ram heavy? |
| 14:06.49 | Tekk_ | oh! probably a problem of gtkmozembed right? |
| 14:06.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh? |
| 14:07.22 | Tekk_ | doesn't web use some ancient gecko? |
| 14:07.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | what is "web" ? |
| 14:07.42 | Tekk_ | default browser |
| 14:08.01 | Tekk_ | as opposed to the gnome browser of the same name |
| 14:08.56 | Tekk_ | google sites complain about support for my browser being dropped soon and some sites flat out don't work unless I use midori |
| 14:10.38 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: reddit requires no authentication on account creation. Just choose a username and password. No emails involved. |
| 14:10.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 14:12.19 | vi__ | so get in there and educate those gnuobs |
| 14:14.27 | Tekk_ | oh, any suggestions for good games in the repos? I'm waiting to board a several hour flight |
| 14:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | FUCKYOUREDDIT! I blocked all cookies of that site since they were annoying and a bazillion. Now it doesn't let me log in |
| 14:15.45 | Tekk_ | how else do you expect them to know you're logged in? http is connectionless |
| 14:16.48 | vi__ | Tekk_: emulators |
| 14:17.13 | vi__ | The majority of n900 games suck asses. |
| 14:17.22 | Tekk_ | vi__ already have them. I was wondering if there was native good stuff |
| 14:17.22 | vi__ | with the exception of nethack. |
| 14:17.38 | vi__ | You know nethack...right? |
| 14:17.39 | Tekk_ | nethack has problematic stairs :P |
| 14:17.45 | Tekk_ | sil seems okay too |
| 14:17.46 | vi__ | ? |
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| 14:18.20 | vi__ | unfortunatley my game gripper weared the tops off some of my keys :( |
| 14:18.23 | Tekk_ | you need angle braces to go down stairs unless you remap |
| 14:18.29 | vi__ | aah. |
| 14:18.40 | Tekk_ | which aren't on the default keyboard |
| 14:18.44 | vi__ | I have run a 'fuller' keyboard for about 2 yeas. |
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| 14:18.48 | vi__ | ^years. |
| 14:18.52 | Tekk_ | ah |
| 14:19.15 | vi__ | I have < > on shift+blue+v/b |
| 14:19.24 | Tekk_ | I've been trying to figure one out but the very limited key space is annoying |
| 14:19.34 | vi__ | what language are you using? |
| 14:19.41 | Tekk_ | us english |
| 14:19.52 | vi__ | ~vi_kbd |
| 14:19.59 | vi__ | ~search vi |
| 14:20.02 | Tekk_ | hm, blue+shift may be helpful |
| 14:20.13 | vi__ | ffs, how do you search irc thingies again? |
| 14:20.47 | Tekk_ | bot may just be broken |
| 14:21.05 | vi__ | ~botsnack |
| 14:21.05 | infobot | :), vi__ |
| 14:21.09 | vi__ | nope |
| 14:21.20 | Tekk_ | you have curlies in your map too? being able to do some perl would be nice |
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| 14:21.27 | kolp | ~listkeys vi |
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| 14:22.03 | vi__ | ~listkeys vik |
| 14:22.16 | vi__ | ~listkeys vi_ |
| 14:22.23 | vi__ | ~listkeys vi__ |
| 14:22.29 | vi__ | ~listkeys vi___ |
| 14:22.38 | vi__ | they have all been delted! |
| 14:23.00 | vi__ | Tekk_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping |
| 14:23.18 | Tekk_ | thanks |
| 14:23.44 | Tekk_ | oh vi__, nspeed is okay as far as native games |
| 14:23.53 | Tekk_ | very reminiscent of f zero |
| 14:24.12 | vi__ | The truth is I rarely have time for games anymore. |
| 14:24.19 | vi__ | or the paience. |
| 14:24.26 | vi__ | patience, |
| 14:26.27 | vi__ | tekk: make sure your keymap is working before you reboot |
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| 14:26.39 | vi__ | otherwise you may end up with a non-booting device. |
| 14:27.35 | Tekk_ | now to try to remember how to copy in the browser |
| 14:27.47 | vi__ | ctrl+c |
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| 14:28.43 | Tekk_ | well it's more a selection problem than a copy one |
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| 14:29.33 | Tekk_ | xkb allow /* */ comments? that's probably easier than doing all // |
| 14:30.43 | vi__ | I have no idea |
| 14:31.08 | vi__ | xkb is an un-documented mix of magic and hate for humanity. |
| 14:31.55 | Tekk_ | at least it fits with the rest of X then |
| 14:39.24 | Tekk_ | it'd be nice if setxkbmap gave some sort of help in errors.. |
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| 14:42.47 | vi__ | You have an error? |
| 14:43.58 | Tekk_ | mhm |
| 14:46.41 | Tekk_ | oh |
| 14:46.57 | Tekk_ | yeah, just need to figure out again how to select... |
| 14:47.22 | vi__ | how to select? |
| 14:47.44 | Tekk_ | select text in the browser |
| 14:47.50 | vi__ | please tell me you are doing this via ssh on a real computer with a real keyboard... |
| 14:48.23 | vi__ | to select text in browser swipe from the bottom left of the screen to the top right to make the pointer appear. |
| 14:48.27 | Tekk_ | nope. don't have access to one of those atm |
| 14:48.33 | vi__ | press the pointer button. |
| 14:48.38 | vi__ | select text. |
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| 15:08.02 | Tekk_ | thanks vi__, works |
| 15:08.12 | Tekk_ | forgot a curlie then had to board |
| 15:09.03 | vi__ | it is liberating to have a 'fuller' keyboard. |
| 15:10.43 | vi__ | as liberating as an open air dump. |
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| 15:40.34 | zamn900 | hi all... how to lock with terminal command? |
| 15:40.42 | zamn900 | lock the screen |
| 15:42.28 | anYc | I don't know either, but in the wiki, there was a list of usefull commands |
| 15:42.42 | anYc | useful |
| 15:42.50 | Sicelo | quickest way to to install 'phone-control' package.. otherwise you can use dbus directly |
| 15:47.59 | zamn900 | here we re |
| 15:48.01 | zamn900 | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_tklock_mode_change string:"locked" |
| 15:51.52 | Sicelo | if you like it that way, lol |
| 15:54.55 | SAiF | anybody got the flash 12 packages. ? |
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| 15:58.13 | Sicelo | 12? for Maemo? i'm sure that's not more than a wish |
| 15:58.30 | SAiF | I meant that faking packages. |
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| 16:03.10 | SAiF | well its really adobe-flashplayer-10.deb binaries. and we fake it to flash 12. The links dont seem to work. Does anybody got it? |
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| 16:48.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys vis_awesome_kbdmapping |
| 16:48.40 | SAiF | Doc, |
| 16:48.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues vis_awesome_kbdmapping |
| 16:48.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping |
| 16:49.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listauthor vi_ |
| 16:49.31 | sixwheeledbeast | ~keyremap |
| 16:49.31 | infobot | from memory, keyremap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard |
| 16:49.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listauth vi_ |
| 16:49.38 | infobot | factoid author list by 'vi_' returned no results. |
| 16:49.41 | sixwheeledbeast | bottom of page :) |
| 16:49.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listauth vi__ |
| 16:49.44 | infobot | factoid author list by 'vi__' returned no results. |
| 16:49.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listauth vi___ |
| 16:49.53 | infobot | factoid author list by 'vi___' returned no results. |
| 16:50.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listauth vi |
| 16:50.02 | infobot | factoid author list by 'vi' returned no results. |
| 16:50.07 | SAiF | lol |
| 16:50.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo keyremap |
| 16:50.28 | infobot | keyremap -- created by MohammadAG51 <~MohammadA@78.46.226.25> at Thu Jul 1 20:22:51 2010 (1222 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by sixwheeledbeast, 57s ago. |
| 16:50.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 16:50.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not vi_ related |
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| 16:51.15 | sixwheeledbeast | the bottom of the wiki page is the link to vi's |
| 16:51.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but I know there been a factoid |
| 16:52.03 | sixwheeledbeast | k, sorry. IIRC you did that last time and give up |
| 16:52.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, since it's impossible to search for vi |
| 16:53.05 | SAiF | Doc took a 3hr break in 1 hr, right Doc? |
| 16:53.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo awesome-keymap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping |
| 16:53.25 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 16:53.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: my clock works different |
| 16:53.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | but i'm afk again now |
| 16:54.12 | SAiF | Good |
| 16:54.20 | sixwheeledbeast | ~listauth vi* |
| 16:54.20 | infobot | factoid author list by 'vi*' (18 of 42): /.config usually ;; 1024? what ;; alt+printscreen+ub ;; carrot ;; could u aswear this one: what ;; d21 d21 ;; docscrutinizer05 ;; fact apt ;; frankyfourfinger ;; ftppassive ;; garoeda ;; gh0sty gh0sty ;; googlesyncevolution ;; helldeskgriep ;; keri0 ;; lugwv_050304 ;; np nvidia ;; p3lim. |
| 16:54.39 | sixwheeledbeast | factinfo keri0 |
| 16:54.49 | sixwheeledbeast | ~factinfo keri0 |
| 16:54.49 | infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 16:54.49 | infobot | keri0 -- created by vi__ <~user@146.90.189.50> at Tue Aug 7 21:22:32 2012 (454 days). |
| 16:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget /.config usually |
| 16:56.01 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot /.config usually |
| 16:56.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget 1024? what |
| 16:56.18 | infobot | i forgot 1024? what, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 16:57.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal docscrutinizer05 |
| 16:57.06 | infobot | "docscrutinizer05" is "<reply>see DocScrutinizer" |
| 16:57.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo docscrutinizer05 |
| 16:57.18 | infobot | docscrutinizer05 -- created by vi__ <5860d978@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.96.217.120> at Fri Jul 27 09:02:56 2012 (466 days); last modified at Fri Jul 27 09:03:55 2012 by DocScrutinizer05!~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 6 times, last by SAiF at Tue Aug 13 10:41:09 2013; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer05. |
| 16:57.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 16:57.33 | Gh0sty | wtf? |
| 16:57.37 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
| 16:57.39 | Gh0sty | why does infobot highlight me? |
| 16:58.03 | SAiF | me too? |
| 16:58.05 | sixwheeledbeast | factinfo gh0sty gh0sty |
| 16:58.16 | sixwheeledbeast | ~factinfo gh0sty gh0sty |
| 16:58.16 | infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 16:58.16 | infobot | gh0sty gh0sty -- created by vipe <n=vipe@lugwv/member/vipe> at Fri Nov 4 14:48:59 2005 (2923 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. |
| 16:58.20 | Gh0sty | and what does that mean? |
| 16:58.31 | Gh0sty | ooh |
| 16:58.39 | Gh0sty | this is that old silly generic bot thing |
| 16:58.49 | Gh0sty | thats a long time ago :P |
| 16:59.00 | sixwheeledbeast | you have a factiod in your name |
| 16:59.05 | Gh0sty | rikerbot or something isnt it ? |
| 16:59.10 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
| 16:59.30 | Gh0sty | lol 3000 days ago |
| 16:59.31 | Gh0sty | damn |
| 16:59.36 | Gh0sty | am i that long on irc! |
| 17:00.59 | sixwheeledbeast | factoid last used 2008 :) |
| 17:01.45 | Gh0sty | created 2005 |
| 17:01.47 | Gh0sty | :o |
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| 20:47.43 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: I have noticed that in full screen mode there is no quit button on modRana? |
| 20:48.13 | sixwheeledbeast | It that correct or is it hiding? |
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| 21:03.04 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: yep, that is correct |
| 21:03.46 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: you can always either unfullscreen or just close it from the task switcher |
| 21:04.16 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: IMHO most apps behave like this in Fullscreen in Fremantle |
| 21:04.47 | sixwheeledbeast | ok, seems I was looking for it "how do I quit". Thought it would be easy to add a button to menu? |
| 21:05.07 | M4rtinK | well, it already has a quit button on some platforms :) |
| 21:06.35 | M4rtinK | where there is no close button in decoration |
| 21:06.48 | M4rtinK | IIRC Android chroot for example |
| 21:06.48 | sixwheeledbeast | Possibly because I am used to SMM10 having a quit button. |
| 21:07.28 | M4rtinK | sure, it might not be a bad idea to add it |
| 21:07.55 | M4rtinK | it basically means just setting needsQuitButton to True in the N900 device module |
| 21:08.43 | M4rtinK | and there are even two spots free in the main menu |
| 21:09.07 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm, so did you leave it out of N900 for a reason? |
| 21:10.33 | M4rtinK | didn't occur to me it might be needed :) |
| 21:11.02 | M4rtinK | BTW, might be party because I'm using the camera button as to activate task switcher |
| 21:11.26 | M4rtinK | also some users are using the power button menu and just kill apps |
| 21:11.38 | sixwheeledbeast | Ok, maybe it's just me but I expected it to be there. taskswitcher is a pain to get to in car holder |
| 21:11.45 | M4rtinK | but yeah, having it in the main menu should be faster |
| 21:11.49 | M4rtinK | good point |
| 21:12.03 | sixwheeledbeast | I use camera button as skip track |
| 21:12.16 | M4rtinK | yeah, for car it should be a good improvement |
| 21:12.59 | M4rtinK | btw, there should be "are you sure" screen after clicking the in app quit button |
| 21:13.23 | sixwheeledbeast | come to think of it music controls would be handy in modrana :) |
| 21:13.26 | M4rtinK | so that it won't quite due to misclick |
| 21:13.51 | sixwheeledbeast | i don't see "are you sure" on quit here. |
| 21:14.05 | M4rtinK | well, I mean for the main menu button |
| 21:14.24 | sixwheeledbeast | I see |
| 21:14.45 | M4rtinK | or at least I added that when adding the quit button |
| 21:15.56 | M4rtinK | would be unfortunate if instead of getting to the track logging menu modRana would quit :) |
| 21:15.56 | M4rtinK | regarding music control |
| 21:16.06 | M4rtinK | there is indeed a lot that could be improved |
| 21:16.21 | M4rtinK | like adding hooks before/after espeak is speaking |
| 21:16.25 | M4rtinK | so people can hook scripts for pausing music |
| 21:16.40 | M4rtinK | and maybe even support pausing the default media player |
| 21:16.58 | M4rtinK | regarding control |
| 21:16.59 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: pause and skip would be handy |
| 21:17.13 | M4rtinK | modRana has a very rudimentary widget system |
| 21:17.19 | M4rtinK | that could be improved a lot |
| 21:17.26 | M4rtinK | including playback control |
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| 21:18.21 | M4rtinK | it is on my todo list, but unfortunately there is also a lot of other stuff :) |
| 21:18.35 | M4rtinK | I think I last worked on the widgets back in 2010 for example |
| 21:18.55 | M4rtinK | so any help in this matter would be appreciated :) |
| 21:19.45 | sixwheeledbeast | I have voice guidance off TBH. I understand your TODO list is large. |
| 21:20.47 | M4rtinK | BTW, the widgets live here: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/blob/master/modules/mod_showOSD.py |
| 21:21.15 | M4rtinK | as you can see, it is very very simple & not that efficient :) |
| 21:21.48 | sixwheeledbeast | I suddenly seem to be having trouble with downloading tiles |
| 21:21.58 | M4rtinK | oh, BTW, I've pushed the latest modRana to Extras-testing: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/modrana/0.43.4/ |
| 21:22.22 | M4rtinK | 2 tester votes remaining before the Extras package can be updated ! :) |
| 21:22.27 | M4rtinK | which layer ? |
| 21:23.45 | sixwheeledbeast | all of them OSM Mapnik |
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| 21:26.19 | sixwheeledbeast | just "Loading..." on every tile...mmm |
| 21:26.37 | M4rtinK | seems to work fine here |
| 21:27.20 | M4rtinK | check options->network->network usage |
| 21:27.26 | M4rtinK | if it is set to "unlimited" |
| 21:27.51 | M4rtinK | otherwise it won't automatically download files |
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| 21:28.53 | sixwheeledbeast | "mapTiles: tile data returned by remote tileserver was not an image" |
| 21:29.41 | sixwheeledbeast | Yep, Unlimited and I am on WiFi |
| 21:31.31 | M4rtinK | this looks like the tileserver does not like you :) |
| 21:31.36 | sono | modrana is? |
| 21:31.49 | sono | clicks |
| 21:32.16 | M4rtinK | sono: the modRana flexible GPS navigation system :) |
| 21:32.27 | sono | looks interesting |
| 21:32.57 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: the server is probably returning a html error page instead of a tile |
| 21:33.34 | sono | woa. apparently i did not have the python deps yet. this ill have to wait until i get home. |
| 21:33.39 | sixwheeledbeast | where are tiles stored? |
| 21:33.54 | M4rtinK | MyDocs/maps |
| 21:33.56 | M4rtinK | by default |
| 21:34.10 | sono | as a cyclist tho it looks interesting |
| 21:34.27 | M4rtinK | hmm |
| 21:34.29 | M4rtinK | wrong |
| 21:34.34 | M4rtinK | MyDocs/.maps |
| 21:34.56 | M4rtinK | sono: looking forward to your feedback :) |
| 21:35.36 | M4rtinK | sono: BTW, modRana support bike-optimized offline navigation :) |
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| 21:37.15 | sono | =) |
| 21:40.39 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: you can checkout what the server is actually sending you |
| 21:40.51 | sixwheeledbeast | has NFC why it's not showing tiles |
| 21:40.53 | sixwheeledbeast | how? |
| 21:41.14 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: by enabling "Tile loading status to terminal" in options->Debug->Tiles |
| 21:41.52 | M4rtinK | it will start printing stuff like this: |
| 21:41.53 | M4rtinK | loading tile mapnik_13_4540_2797 |
| 21:41.56 | sixwheeledbeast | that's were I got the message quoted above |
| 21:42.45 | M4rtinK | this corresponds to this URL |
| 21:42.46 | M4rtinK | http://b.tile.openstreetmap.org/13/4540/2797.png |
| 21:43.23 | M4rtinK | (I really have to make it print the URL in the future for easier debugging) |
| 21:44.05 | M4rtinK | you can try in browser or with wget |
| 21:44.12 | M4rtinK | and inspect what are aou getting |
| 21:44.20 | M4rtinK | *you |
| 21:47.09 | sixwheeledbeast | ah |
| 21:48.35 | sixwheeledbeast | tiles |
| 21:48.41 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm |
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| 21:49.13 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: what does Map overlay settings do? |
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| 21:51.05 | M4rtinK | you can have two layer at once |
| 21:51.06 | M4rtinK | *layers |
| 21:51.12 | M4rtinK | if you set a layer that is not working over a working one with 100% opacity... :) |
| 21:51.27 | M4rtinK | hmm, looks like a usability issue :) |
| 21:52.00 | sixwheeledbeast | Ok so I had no tiles with OSM mapnik as main and none as background. |
| 21:53.38 | M4rtinK | hmm, so that is not the issue I guess |
| 21:54.01 | M4rtinK | btw, I think "none" might be a bit problematic sometimes |
| 21:54.24 | M4rtinK | BTW, the QML GUI can overlay more than two layers |
| 21:54.36 | M4rtinK | but can't remeber them just yet :D |
| 21:54.42 | M4rtinK | *remember |
| 21:55.05 | sixwheeledbeast | it's "map as overlay" setting with off I have tiles with on I have "Loading..." |
| 21:56.04 | M4rtinK | I'll check it out |
| 21:56.51 | M4rtinK | oh, right |
| 21:57.10 | M4rtinK | definitely a bug |
| 21:57.34 | M4rtinK | now when I think about it, it combines the two tiles and caches the result |
| 21:57.46 | M4rtinK | to optimize cache usage |
| 21:58.16 | M4rtinK | well, if one of the layers has no tiles, it can't combine them and waits forever :) |
| 21:58.21 | sixwheeledbeast | ah that's it. with "map as overlay" on and "none" as secondary map. I can reproduce it. |
| 21:58.27 | M4rtinK | well loads |
| 21:58.34 | M4rtinK | yep |
| 21:58.43 | M4rtinK | if you use two normal layers, it seems to work fine |
| 21:59.06 | sixwheeledbeast | :) I now have OSM and VE OS as secondary |
| 22:01.06 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: thanks for finding the issue :) |
| 22:01.20 | M4rtinK | I've added it to the issue tracker (https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/issues?state=open) |
| 22:01.35 | M4rtinK | hopefully should be an easy fix |
| 22:01.47 | sixwheeledbeast | np, I thought I was doing something wrong |
| 22:04.35 | M4rtinK | BTW, for what I'm currently working on: |
| 22:05.33 | M4rtinK | * Qt 5 GUI based on PyOtherSide (the asynchronous Python-Qt interface from thp ) |
| 22:05.54 | M4rtinK | * finally getting the Monav routing data repository back in order |
| 22:06.12 | M4rtinK | + the usual assorted stuff :) |
| 22:09.06 | sixwheeledbeast | :) cool |
| 22:09.55 | nox- | M4rtinK++ |
| 22:09.58 | nox- | :) |
| 22:12.30 | M4rtinK | nox-: thanks :) |
| 22:13.25 | nox- | would be cool to see monav working again :) |
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| 22:15.49 | M4rtinK | Monav the app ? |
| 22:15.53 | M4rtinK | or the Monav routing support in modRana ? |
| 22:16.32 | nox- | i saw the app fail, routing db incompatible or so |
| 22:16.52 | nox- | is it better in modrana? |
| 22:17.55 | M4rtinK | as long as you have working data packs, it should work fine in modRana |
| 22:18.49 | M4rtinK | those are a bit outdated, but should work fine: http://monav.openstreetmap.de/ |
| 22:19.07 | M4rtinK | these might be a bit corrupted at the moment: http://www.modrana.org/data/monav/ |
| 22:19.24 | M4rtinK | and there is a guide how to use them: http://wiki.maemo.org/ModRana_offline_routing_guide |
| 22:21.24 | nox- | thx, might try that later |
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| 22:28.50 | sixwheeledbeast | Does it still not support address to address routing? |
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| 22:48.38 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: online does, offline (Monav routing) is point to point only |
| 22:49.08 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: Monav actually can work with addresses and has its own optimized address storage format |
| 22:49.59 | sixwheeledbeast | but modRana can't? |
| 22:50.06 | M4rtinK | http://code.google.com/p/monav/wiki/UnicodeTournamentTrie |
| 22:50.33 | M4rtinK | yep |
| 22:50.33 | M4rtinK | the Monav routing server modRana is using |
| 22:50.46 | M4rtinK | (using localhost sockets and PBFs by the way) |
| 22:51.31 | M4rtinK | only accepts geographic coordinates for start and destination |
| 22:51.51 | M4rtinK | and there is no Python compatible interface to the file format |
| 22:52.16 | M4rtinK | it is documented, so it would be possible to make a python parser for it |
| 22:52.25 | M4rtinK | but it will be quite a lot of work |
| 22:52.44 | M4rtinK | (for the format) |
| 22:53.10 | M4rtinK | or not, not sure as I haven't done something like this yet |
| 22:53.38 | M4rtinK | so doable, but quite time intensive :) |
| 22:55.23 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm, I see. So where does the online routing data come from? |
| 22:58.19 | M4rtinK | modRana uses the Google Map API for online routing |
| 22:58.22 | M4rtinK | at the moment |
| 22:58.45 | M4rtinK | that can work with both coordinates & addresses |
| 23:00.51 | M4rtinK | and theoretically if you are online |
| 23:01.08 | M4rtinK | you can use address search (which uses the Nominatim geocoding API) |
| 23:01.41 | M4rtinK | to to manually find the start and destination and then start point-to-point offline routing with Monav :) |
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| 23:03.35 | sixwheeledbeast | So you are at home on WiFi and search for destination then leave with no data scenario |
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| 23:15.17 | M4rtinK | yeah, basically |
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