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| 18:12.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | R. J. 2013-11-02 19:00:38 150.00 EUR made it! |
| 18:12.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | level-II reached |
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| 18:25.02 | Agge | after installing the flasher35 package on my gentoo system I have a program named flasher but not flasher-3.5 I asume that this is the same |
| 18:26.19 | kerio | probably, yeah |
| 18:26.22 | kolp | Agge: $ flasher-3.5 |
| 18:26.22 | kolp | flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) |
| 18:26.25 | kerio | run it with no parameters |
| 18:26.34 | kerio | :D |
| 18:26.41 | kerio | if it says 2.5, it's 3.5 |
| 18:26.45 | Agge | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.48 | Agge | flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) |
| 18:27.07 | Agge | how do that work logically? |
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| 18:27.12 | kerio | nokia logic |
| 18:27.18 | kerio | top 3 logic |
| 18:30.49 | Agge | what is I actualy suposed to download form http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ ? |
| 18:32.15 | Agge | or should I do somthing else to be able to update my n900 to somthing useful? |
| 18:33.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 18:33.13 | infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 18:33.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that's even what you want to do |
| 18:33.47 | Agge | trying to folow that |
| 18:33.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | for updating you want to check |
| 18:34.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 18:34.00 | infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 18:34.43 | Agge | thanks I had lost that tab somewhere |
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| 18:43.08 | Agge | do backupmenu exist in the program installer in the N900 or are I suposed to get it from the web page? |
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| 18:50.15 | kolp | Agge: Why don't you try? :) apt-get install backupmenu should work if you have extras-devel enabled |
| 18:51.10 | Agge | I found that I had extras-devel desabled it is updating the package list now |
| 18:51.26 | Agge | ofcorse I did try first |
| 18:51.31 | kolp | :) |
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| 18:52.14 | Agge | might be a good Idea to have the install guide mention extras-devel |
| 18:55.24 | Agge | I asume that I don't need to make updates of specific programs now if I am updating the whole system |
| 19:02.23 | Agge | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.24 | Agge | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 19:02.24 | Agge | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:14.18 | Agge | trying to move /usr/lib/python2.5/gsmdecode.py to /usr/lib/python2.5/gsmdecode.py2 and it seams to work now |
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| 19:31.51 | Agge | looks like apt-get hangs after the 12c-tools warning |
| 19:33.42 | Agge | aha intresting apt-get over ssh did get it to output a GUI dialog on the phone |
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| 19:36.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ussd is completely obsolete |
| 19:37.25 | Agge | trying to install backupmenus and it is just giving me different errors |
| 19:37.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's why you should use HAM to install certain things |
| 19:37.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least one of the reasons |
| 19:37.47 | Agge | HAM? |
| 19:38.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo is no debian system, when it comes to package management |
| 19:38.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo package management is "slightly" different |
| 19:39.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's still using dpkg and apt, but that's not comprehensive to handle the special quirks they build into the package management iat Nokia |
| 19:40.03 | Agge | HAM= the GUI package manager on the N900? |
| 19:40.34 | Agge | I just remember it as being a pain to use bocose it was always loading stuff |
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| 19:48.00 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05, Is HAM the standard gui package manager or somthing else? |
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| 19:52.06 | obiwlan_afk | Agge: i believe it stands for harmattan application manager and it's the standard manager, yes |
| 19:52.19 | Agge | ok |
| 19:52.51 | Agge | looks like the backup menus app dont exist in it even with extra devel unless it is under some other name |
| 19:55.29 | Agge | anyone have any sugestions or could I skip that stepp? |
| 19:58.09 | kolp | obiwlan: s/harmattan/hildon/ ;) |
| 19:58.50 | kolp | Agge: What are the errors you get with apt-get? |
| 19:59.07 | mashina_ | it's 4 BH (Before Harmattan) |
| 19:59.27 | obiwlan | kolp: oh, you're right |
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| 20:00.44 | Agge | http://pastebin.com/jTNhyRp6 |
| 20:03.38 | Agge | maybe I should do a factory reset or somthing first? |
| 20:05.38 | Agge | kolp, ?? |
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| 20:10.07 | kolp | Agge: Well, it looks like backupmenu was installed correctly before |
| 20:10.24 | kolp | Those errors suggest that something else is wrong |
| 20:10.57 | Agge | I think that the mention of backupmenu is form the first time I tried to install it |
| 20:12.28 | Agge | any ideea what could be wrong |
| 20:18.26 | Agge | Nokia-N900-51-1:~# dpkg -i backupmenu_1.2.0-2_all.deb |
| 20:18.27 | Agge | (Reading database ... 28114 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 20:18.27 | Agge | Preparing to replace backupmenu 1.2.0-2 (using backupmenu_1.2.0-2_all.deb) ... |
| 20:18.27 | Agge | Unpacking replacement backupmenu ... |
| 20:18.27 | Agge | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of backupmenu: |
| 20:18.27 | Agge | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.29 | Agge | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.31 | Agge | dpkg: error processing backupmenu (--install): |
| 20:18.33 | Agge | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.37 | Agge | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 20:18.39 | Agge | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.53 | Agge | anyone have any ideea? |
| 20:23.46 | NIN102 | " Package tar-gnu is not configured yet." |
| 20:24.03 | Agge | so how do I configur it? |
| 20:25.49 | NIN102 | I am actually not sure that's the way you should install it. |
| 20:26.28 | Agge | right now I am just trying all ways I can think about and see if I can find one that works |
| 20:26.47 | kolp | From the pastebin it looks like optification of those broken packages fails. You should have a look at the directories/files it tries to move and chack what's going wrong there |
| 20:27.01 | kolp | s/chack/check/ |
| 20:27.27 | NIN102 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 20:27.33 | kolp | Maybe reinstall tar et al. |
| 20:27.38 | Agge | I honestly don't know whare to start with that |
| 20:27.58 | Agge | I got both tar-gnu and backupmenu installed now by using dpkg |
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| 20:30.01 | Agge | I could probibly fix the rest of the packages by installing them manualy one by one but that seams to much work on a system that I only need funktioning well eniogh to flash a newer frimware to it |
| 20:30.12 | kolp | Try to reinstall apt-get --reinstall install nano |
| 20:30.41 | NIN102 | "well eniogh to flash a newer frimware to it" since when does flashing require the OS to work? |
| 20:30.52 | kolp | You could just boot and try backupmenu then |
| 20:31.11 | Agge | since the goide tells you to install backupmenu |
| 20:31.22 | NIN102 | you don't need backupmenu to flash maemo. |
| 20:31.35 | kolp | Oh, that's what you want to do? |
| 20:32.16 | kolp | Just flash, no backup restoring? |
| 20:32.34 | Agge | installing somthing that is still maintained and hopefully not as laggy as the nokia image i have now |
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| 20:34.40 | Agge | right now I am following the ~cssu guide but if that is wrong please till me |
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| 20:38.17 | NIN101 | There is only one maintained/daily usable OS for the N900, that's Maemo. If this is what you want to flash, I would carefully read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
| 20:39.38 | Agge | I did begin with that but it do not in any way specify what files I actualy should download |
| 20:41.26 | Agge | I don't understand the structure of this is the updated maemo and cssu simular things or should I install one and then the other? |
| 20:41.53 | kolp | If you want to start from scratch you flash the latest nokia image first, then update to cssu from there |
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| 20:43.57 | Agge | ok so I should do that even if I have the latest nokia image installed right now? |
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| 20:45.58 | kolp | If your current install is working then there is no need to reflash, afaik |
| 20:46.11 | kolp | You should fix those apt-get errors, though |
| 20:47.07 | Agge | so reflashing it is then |
| 20:47.30 | Agge | what file should I actualy download from http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ ? |
| 20:47.37 | Agge | RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin ? |
| 20:48.14 | kolp | The 'Latest' ones |
| 20:48.39 | kolp | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 20:49.09 | Agge | aha thanks that was what was unclear if I only should use one or if I should use 2 |
| 20:49.41 | kolp | By flashing the emmc one you will erase all content on your phone |
| 20:49.49 | kolp | *from |
| 20:50.21 | Agge | yeah I havent had anything of value on this phone the last 2 years |
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| 20:54.05 | Agge | so now I should run flasher RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 20:54.23 | Agge | and then flasher RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f ? |
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| 21:02.21 | kolp | sorry, afk |
| 21:03.31 | Agge | I have done the first command and got succses form it is the second one correct? the guide just say do this but dont give you how |
| 21:05.15 | Agge | kolp, ? |
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| 21:19.30 | Agge | kolp, DocScrutinizer05 somthing went wrong |
| 21:19.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 21:20.24 | Agge | I am geting a purpul squer with some black sques in it |
| 21:20.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm?? |
| 21:21.24 | kerio | you flashed vanilla after flashing combined |
| 21:21.27 | kerio | your optfs is fucked |
| 21:21.32 | kerio | flash combined again |
| 21:21.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | you haven't read whole page on |
| 21:21.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 21:21.36 | infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 21:22.01 | Agge | I tried but the page is realy comfuslingly written |
| 21:22.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why you need to read it completely |
| 21:22.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | WHO THE HECK WROTE SUCH SHIT TO THAT WIKIPAGE??? |
| 21:23.26 | Defiant | its a wiki :) |
| 21:23.54 | Agge | If it is about the warning I think it need to be |
| 21:25.01 | Agge | thanks kerio it is installing the combined now |
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| 21:26.22 | Agge | kerio, should I reboot it now or is it any more steps to it? |
| 21:29.34 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05, seriusly you made the page protected becose of my edit? |
| 21:30.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I protected it because it hasn't seen any need for edits since >2 years |
| 21:31.31 | Agge | ok If you would alowe it I would like to clean it up or should I make a Updating_the_firmware_cleanup page for that so can you check if for errors befero it go live? |
| 21:32.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to create a new page |
| 21:32.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware/rev2 |
| 21:33.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you'll create a LOT of confusion with such activity |
| 21:33.50 | Agge | ok thanks. sorry about the warning edit but it felt a little iritating when I in my understanding had done everything correct ad it still dident work the way it was suposed to |
| 21:33.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | since... the page been reviewed by literally thousands of users and everybody had to admit there are no errors and no missing info in it |
| 21:34.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | PEBKAC |
| 21:34.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | emphasis on >>I in my understanding<< |
| 21:35.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit it lacked a header telling to REAd THE WHOLE PAGE |
| 21:35.07 | Agge | if you say so but the info could be presented in a more logical manner |
| 21:35.50 | Agge | I am of the opinin that the "REAd THE WHOLE PAGE" EULA shouldent be needed it should be posibel to follow a guide without jumping around in it |
| 21:36.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | the logic of flashing isn't exactly simple, and evidently you didn't understand it yet |
| 21:36.58 | Agge | absolutely true |
| 21:37.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need to jump around. You read the whole page, and at very end you find >>the complete foolproof flashing procedure<< |
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| 21:38.04 | Agge | what section "Troubleshooting"? |
| 21:38.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:38.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | here you are http://privatepaste.com/f3ceae295e |
| 21:41.34 | Agge | could you point out what line this refer to Start flasher with above mentioned command to flash (without -R, it's a useless convenience thing). It says "Suitable device not found... waiting" " |
| 21:42.11 | Agge | and if that is the best way why not have it as the standard way? |
| 21:43.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | because a lot of experienced users argue that the safest way is not the fastest/cleanest/most-convenient way |
| 21:44.11 | Agge | thanks kerio I got it booting correctly now. |
| 21:44.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | but all the other methods are more prone to mess them up by unsolicited booting of device (-R) etc |
| 21:45.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and because all this is in that one page, it's looking like it does |
| 21:45.34 | Agge | I would be happy with a 1. 2. 3. list that say flash this image then flash this image |
| 21:45.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/f3ceae295e |
| 21:46.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | to understand WHICH images you WNAT to flash to accomplish what you want to do, you need to read the introduction on that page though |
| 21:47.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually users do NOT want to flash VANILLA/eMMC image |
| 21:48.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | flashing is a complex stuff, it's not possible to explain it like 1. 2. 3. |
| 21:48.32 | Agge | then it might be good if it said that. would I actualy have been ok if I just flashed the rootfs on my old nokia image? |
| 21:48.51 | Agge | true that is why you have a troubleshooting setting |
| 21:48.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | since there are more than one puposes and more than one way to do flashing, depending on a number of conditions |
| 21:48.57 | Agge | section |
| 21:50.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-11-02 19:33:14] <infobot> well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 21:50.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-11-02 19:33:41] <DocScrutinizer05> if that's even what you want to do |
| 21:50.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | see that last line? |
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| 21:51.21 | Agge | yeah and I did ask "[19:30] <Agge> or should I do somthing else to be able to update my n900 to somthing useful?" before |
| 21:52.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah and I... i'm leaving now, since this is too silly |
| 21:52.11 | obiwlan | mh... i've got a very old cssu firmware. if i wanted to upgrade to the lastest, would i have to reflash? it's been a long time since i installed it. the neo900 news made be start to tinker with my device again :) |
| 21:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | obiwlan: no |
| 21:52.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | obiwlan: should update just fine |
| 21:53.52 | obiwlan | DocScrutinizer05: great |
| 21:55.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | obiwlan: *might* help to change your system clock to 2011 |
| 21:56.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | to mitigate effects of exoired nokia signature |
| 21:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | expired even |
| 21:56.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | just in case it needs stuff from nokia repo |
| 21:57.29 | obiwlan | does anyone have a source for original spare parts? i installed a new touchscreen after the screen surface started to dissolve, but the screen i ordered from ebay looks like there's an oil film on it |
| 21:57.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 21:57.54 | obiwlan | DocScrutinizer05: oh, ok .. i noticed some expired gpg keys |
| 21:58.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, nokia signature |
| 21:58.24 | obiwlan | alright, thanks for the tip |
| 21:59.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are abundance of sources for n900 digitizer, alas I haven't evaluated a single one of them |
| 21:59.31 | obiwlan | DocScrutinizer05: some claim to have original parts, but i'm quite sure mine isn't original |
| 21:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | possible |
| 21:59.50 | obiwlan | the n900 font on it is different |
| 21:59.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | there for sure are clones out there |
| 22:00.16 | dos1 | does it have polarisation filter? |
| 22:00.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure, but probably yes |
| 22:00.36 | obiwlan | dos1: i'm not sure |
| 22:00.40 | dos1 | i mean, that clone |
| 22:00.48 | dos1 | original one has for sure |
| 22:01.03 | obiwlan | i noticed a darker area on the "glass" with round corners |
| 22:01.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | circular? |
| 22:01.22 | dos1 | looking through it at some screen while rotating it shows it clearly |
| 22:01.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, THROUGH it shows it |
| 22:02.09 | dos1 | yep... could be done before replacing :) |
| 22:02.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | when it's mounted, it's hard to tell |
| 22:04.27 | obiwlan | i think mine has a polarisation filter, but the different font on the bezel makes me doubt it's original |
| 22:04.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you have doubts, then don't doubt! |
| 22:05.01 | obiwlan | anyway .. i bought some defective n900's from ebay now that the news of the neo900 plans reached me ;) |
| 22:05.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you have no doubts it's original, then doubt it is ;-) |
| 22:05.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | good plan! |
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| 22:06.17 | mashina_ | if they become affordable sometime I might get one |
| 22:07.46 | obiwlan | i bought a nexus 4 and installed ubuntu touch the last week because i thought it might be a good n900 replacement. but i realized i can't live without the keyboard .. the n900 is such a great device. and the mechanics work just like on the first day. i love it |
| 22:08.16 | mashina_ | i'd like to try ubuntu touch but my N900 will be my forever phone (until a worthy sucessor appears) |
| 22:08.47 | obiwlan | mashina_: amen |
| 22:09.07 | mashina_ | i might get a nexus 4 hand me down sometime though - maybe I'll try |
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| 22:12.03 | obiwlan | mashina_: if you want to install ubuntu touch on it i'd recommend to wait until at least 14.04 |
| 22:15.07 | Agge | Question what I did was basicaly this but without removing the battery. what do removing the battery change? Image:Ambox_notice.png |
| 22:15.07 | Agge | When flashing the eMMC content, the safe way is flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, then remove battery for a moment, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image. |
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| 22:43.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | it shuts down the device |
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| 22:45.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | there is no other way unless you gave -R parameter which will cause the device to reboot and thus run into trouble since it will miss /opt |
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| 22:46.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is what you've witnessed |
| 22:46.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | (pink rectangles) |
| 22:46.34 | Agge | I compleatly missed that it needed to be rebooted between the flashings :( |
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| 22:47.22 | Agge | sorry if I was rude about it |
| 22:48.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | it mustn't get rebooted |
| 22:49.01 | Agge | shut down then restarted in usb mode |
| 22:49.24 | Agge | one rev2 page https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/rev2 more or less complected |
| 22:50.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you think anybody is going to review that and find the mistakes it has? |
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| 22:50.25 | Agge | or 4 pages I made the install flasher, flasher errors and troubleshooting pages separate |
| 22:50.39 | Agge | you do what you want with it now it exist |
| 22:51.09 | Agge | (I did minimum changes on the instruktions) |
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| 22:51.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | any change on instructions is an error |
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| 22:52.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | the instructions are perfectly tested and work the way they are given on flashing page |
| 22:52.37 | Agge | the only changes I did was whiting out the command instead of doing a reference |
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| 22:55.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, did you also unroll the loop? |
| 22:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | the instruction/cmd is different for loop#2 than it is for loop#1 and loop#3 |
| 22:55.51 | Agge | I am not saying that the present page is wrong only hard to get a overwhue of. that is what I tried to fix |
| 22:56.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I didn't write the command litareally when I wrote that foolproof procedure |
| 22:59.07 | Agge | the "Updating_the_firmware#Updating_.26_Flashing_your_device" link? it just point at the "Updating & Flashing your device" part on my browser so it is a lite har to know what comand it is refereing to |
| 23:00.30 | Agge | and aperently chrome think that wiki.maemo.org use unsafe scripts |
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| 23:01.53 | Agge | found an error in the regular page "Flashing only the kernel from a FIASCO image (expert topic!)" -> "USING WINDOWS" need a <pre> and a </pre> |
| 23:02.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I'm talking about >>the only changes I did was whiting out the command instead of doing a reference<< |
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| 23:08.27 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05, sorry what do you mean with the loop's? |
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| 23:09.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'm not - I repeat NOT - going to review and debug the new page |
| 23:10.59 | Agge | ok like I said you can do what you want with it. I am adding a work in progress disclamer so that no one use it |
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| 23:15.05 | Agge | I am just wondering what you mean by "unrolling the loop" |
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| 23:38.00 | sixwheeledbeast | o.O ver2 flashing. what was wrong with original? |
| 23:39.32 | Agge | I just found it hard to get a good overview of it so I decided to make a version that would be easer to find stuff on |
| 23:40.22 | Agge | might also move the different os instructions to different pages or just make one windows page and one Linux/MAC(Unix) page |
| 23:41.31 | sixwheeledbeast | ok but now this is confusing that there are many flashing pages. also there not all sub-sections of each other and are root to original flashing not ver2 or whatever |
| 23:42.02 | Agge | all the new are rooted to rev2 |
| 23:42.28 | Agge | and you shouldent be able to find a link to them unless you are on rev2 allredy |
| 23:45.25 | sixwheeledbeast | they are nested to original also I see typos. Like "Trubleshooting". mhmm. |
| 23:46.14 | Agge | yeah My spelling is often bad |
| 23:48.01 | sixwheeledbeast | wiki's have content boxes if author uses wiki headings correctly. this makes stuff easy to find and link to IMO. |
| 23:48.57 | Agge | true but it is also a good idea to try to keep a page on topic as much as posibel to keep if from geting to long |
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| 23:49.44 | Agge | that is why I moved to install instructions to separate pages (you don't real nead them after the install is completed) |
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| 23:52.49 | Agge | sixwheeledbeast, nice scripts for newly flashed systems :) |
| 23:53.08 | sixwheeledbeast | I looked at reordering stuff there a while ago when "wiki gardening" I decided it was best not to for a number of reasons. It is the most visited page on the wiki next to CSSU. Any major re-structuring would cause havoc/confusion. It has evolved over the years to what it is now for a reason. |
| 23:53.29 | sixwheeledbeast | scripts? |
| 23:53.39 | Agge | https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts |
| 23:54.05 | sixwheeledbeast | oh ~beasttweaks |
| 23:54.16 | sixwheeledbeast | also see ~jrtools |
| 23:55.26 | Agge | yeah I vill reflash it with a bigger home partition :) that instruction might actulay be usefull on the flashing page :) |
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| 23:57.43 | Agge | actualy the page could probibly be made even smaller by making the console flashing instructions OS independent |
| 23:58.33 | sixwheeledbeast | flashing is a "beginners" page and shouldn't have any modifications on. I suggest all personal modifications you wish to store go in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Agge/foo |
| 23:59.14 | sixwheeledbeast | like doc, wikiwide myself and many others have. |