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| 02:20.17 | Guest20505 | anyone available, to check their /tmp/Xorg.0.conf on n900? |
| 02:20.55 | Guest20505 | some kind of fs corruption after a reboot here, getting: "(WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in "/". |
| 02:21.13 | Guest20505 | (==) FontPath set to: |
| 02:21.15 | Guest20505 | built-ins |
| 02:21.26 | Guest20505 | which.. isnt sufficient |
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| 02:30.56 | bjv1 | *bleh, and Empathy is being crummy with IRC as well |
| 02:32.08 | bjv1 | ssh'd into the n900 so going to copy off some files, |
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| 02:40.42 | nox- | i have the same messages in Xorg.0.log on a working device |
| 02:40.51 | nox- | bbl |
| 02:48.46 | bjv1 | nox-: Thanks, |
| 02:49.44 | nox- | np |
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| 03:24.41 | bjv1 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1383703#post1383703 |
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| 08:05.35 | freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer05: this pre-authorization thingie (for donations) doesn't look good to me |
| 08:06.12 | freemangordon_ | pre-auths are automatically canceled after 45 days if there is no completion |
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| 08:25.40 | brolin_empey | Instead of asking strangers for candy I could buy for myself while it is priced to clear after Halloween, my Halloween night was spent as a “Ceroc Virgin” trying to (re)learn to dance with attractive women at a Ceroc dance event at a hall in Vancouver. |
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| 09:17.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: huh? |
| 09:19.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: I don't know what you're talking about |
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| 09:33.42 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: "Our Credit Card Clearing processor has pre-authorized your Card and we will finally charge it when we ship your products or services." |
| 09:34.17 | freemangordon | this is in the mail I got from sales at goldelico dot com |
| 09:36.49 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: there are no money transferred from my account to goldelico at that time, there is only a hold on my account for the amount of the preauthorization. afaik |
| 09:37.26 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: and i guess it is the same fo the others who donated over 50 euro |
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| 09:39.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, the donations are "shipped" in a day or two |
| 09:40.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no goods to ship |
| 09:40.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | the page is generic, it applies to the whole shop |
| 09:40.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, the mail (as well) |
| 09:43.24 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ok, if you say so. |
| 09:44.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, that's what Nikolaus says |
| 09:48.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | we had one donor associated to FSF(E) who gave us a lot of arguing about the WLAN chip to use and why we can't provide closed firmware BLOBs for WLAN and BT (according to RMS), and finally he canceled his donation |
| 09:48.22 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: my concern is because know banking shit, this is part of what I do for living. But if you(or Nikolaus) say it is expected to be that way, I am fine too |
| 09:48.56 | freemangordon | *I know |
| 09:48.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui Nikolaus is going to charge the CCs "manually" today |
| 09:49.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | for physical goods the shop would do that when shipping process is checkmarked as "done" |
| 09:50.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | so basically Nik will "ship donations" today |
| 09:50.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | all "afaik" |
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| 09:50.21 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: for goods in the shop, noone does preathorizatio, but a so-called "notmal purchase" transactio |
| 09:50.28 | freemangordon | normal even |
| 09:51.00 | freemangordon | preauth is usually done on hotels or for rent-a-car, when the final transaction amount is not known in advance |
| 09:51.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I have no account and no saying in anything shop- and goldelico-website- related |
| 09:51.43 | freemangordon | so a hold for some amount is put on your CC account when you check-in, and the transaction is "completed" when you check-out |
| 09:51.55 | freemangordon | just explaining how it works :: |
| 09:52.01 | nhbib | Sometimes i can't understand the fsf(e). Yeah, they are right, that blobs are bad, but which phone wan't they use instead? I think neo900 will be one of the openest phones yo can get?! |
| 09:52.01 | freemangordon | :) |
| 09:53.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | nhbib: they want manufacturers to rather implement a dedicated small MCU that handles the FW BLOB rather than allowing linux CPU to "mv /usr/fw/blob /dev/peripherials/wlanconfig" |
| 09:54.08 | freemangordon | ~mcu |
| 09:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | microcontroller |
| 09:54.21 | freemangordon | oh |
| 09:54.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | they honestly bullied for that "solution" for GTA04 |
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| 09:56.02 | nhbib | strange |
| 09:56.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, we will place a small Atmel CPU and some serial EEPROM to hold the WLAN firmware, just to keep the blob out of /etc/firmware/* |
| 09:56.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's so silly |
| 09:56.59 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: i have some experience with PICs, if you choose one over the Atmel :P |
| 09:57.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, thanks :-P |
| 09:58.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | argumentation: "the blob could change the behaviour of the WLAN chip's API" -- SO WHAT?!?!! |
| 10:00.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's still the *user* to change the *blob*. And I doubt *any* user will thank us for depriving them of their option to actually do |
| 10:00.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure we rather would like to see FOSS "blobs" |
| 10:01.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | but banning them from linux APE just because they are _not_ FOSS is wrong in so many regards |
| 10:03.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly it would deprive hackers from any opportunity to RE that closed blob and come up with some FOSS replacement |
| 10:04.19 | nhbib | as far as i understand, banning the blob in a microcontroller would take the freedom away from the user, because than he can no longer decide if he want to remove the blob or change it/reverse engineer it |
| 10:04.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and treating "initialization data" for peripherals more restricitve than any userland closed source application is just paradox |
| 10:05.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | nhbib: exactly |
| 10:06.29 | dos1 | I can understand the reasoning, that they want to draw a line between hardware and software, so when blob is on such eeprom it belongs to hardware now and we can don't worry about it from software side |
| 10:06.34 | dos1 | but the outcome of this reasoning is silly |
| 10:07.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | but RSN assumes "it's some sort of program" (which is plausible but not guaranteed, it could as well just be a long set of register dumps that are restored to the registers to configure the chip) and he further says "any program on a GNU system has to ship FOSS sourcecode" |
| 10:09.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | the second assertion is particulrly silly since user obviously is free to run closed source apps on his system |
| 10:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | so why should closed source app be allowed only, when it is ran on APE CPU, but _not_ when you "offload it" to the coprocessor in a WLAN chip? |
| 10:11.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's paradox |
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| 10:33.43 | bennypr0fane | hello, does anyone know whether or not we have an mpd client app for maemo? |
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| 10:43.39 | Hakki | bennypr0fane: mmpc, cutempc in extras-devel, mpc in testing |
| 10:44.10 | bennypr0fane | Hakki it seems the two are conflicting |
| 10:44.27 | bennypr0fane | any idea why? |
| 10:45.24 | Hakki | not really |
| 10:45.55 | Hakki | I'm using mmpc only |
| 10:46.14 | bennypr0fane | how do you like the UI? |
| 10:46.49 | bennypr0fane | ooh, the Cute one is tiny |
| 10:47.23 | Hakki | didn't like the cutempc :) |
| 10:47.48 | Herbstbert | Trying out mmpc now... |
| 10:49.03 | bennypr0fane | aha. apparently the two use different versions of libmpd |
| 10:49.06 | Hakki | mostly using command line mpc on a remote host with some shell scripting and splitvt around it :) |
| 10:49.21 | bennypr0fane | the qt one is like 8 times the size |
| 10:51.15 | bennypr0fane | ha mmpc looks much better |
| 10:51.18 | bennypr0fane | thanks |
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| 11:38.02 | japa-fi | FYI: Yesterday mentioned troubles with the media player, not properly showing id3v2 tags. I got some links to different maomo forum discussions over the matter. One of them gave me an idea and it seemed to work. Problem occured when I had updated tags in already properly indexed .mp3 files after which all went to crap. As solution I tried stripping all id3v2 tags after which created everything from scratch. Worked on my case. |
| 11:38.19 | japa-fi | Now, there you have it in the channel logs, hopefully it will be of assistance to someone in the future :) |
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| 11:49.18 | Pali | hello, I remember that there was (or still is?) project for porting/running harmattan applications on Maemo |
| 11:49.27 | Pali | does anybody have info about it? |
| 11:53.10 | Herbstbert | dos1: What about the battery of the Neo900? Will it be the same as in the N900? And how long will I be able to use a Neo900 with fully charged battery? |
| 11:54.23 | Herbstbert | Oh, there is a #neo900. :D |
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| 12:02.13 | mashina_ | the browser is pretty crashy on reddit for me - lots of checkerboarding and hangs |
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| 12:04.43 | freemangordon | Pali: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84482 |
| 12:04.54 | Pali | thanks! |
| 12:05.40 | freemangordon | Pali: out of curiosity - which harm application you want to run? |
| 12:05.54 | Pali | Trojita (fast imap email client) |
| 12:06.01 | Pali | I'm fed up with Modest |
| 12:06.08 | freemangordon | can't you just compile it? |
| 12:06.13 | Pali | using qml |
| 12:06.18 | freemangordon | so what? |
| 12:06.25 | Pali | I need nokia qml libs |
| 12:06.43 | Pali | which are used only on harmattan |
| 12:07.02 | Pali | so I need them from above "compatibility layer" |
| 12:07.03 | freemangordon | ok |
| 12:07.13 | freemangordon | ok, got it |
| 12:11.04 | dos1 | Herbstbert: yes, battery will be the same |
| 12:11.24 | dos1 | how long - should be similar to N900 |
| 12:19.40 | Herbstbert | OK. :) |
| 12:20.23 | freemangordon | dos1: actually, if we manage to do everything as it should be done, the battery life should be longer |
| 12:20.38 | dos1 | :nod: |
| 12:20.51 | freemangordon | 3430 is 60nm vs 40(?) nm for 3730 |
| 12:21.03 | freemangordon | is going to check |
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| 12:26.15 | Herbstbert | Cool. :) |
| 12:28.04 | freemangordon | dos1: OMAP3430 is 65nm, DM3730 is 45nm |
| 12:28.54 | freemangordon | but don;t expect much longer usage times, screen and digitizer use lots of juice |
| 12:29.02 | freemangordon | iirc |
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| 12:35.32 | infobot | marmistrz <53061e3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.6.30.59> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 197d 20h 36m 40s ago, saying: 'please notify arcean about this when he shows up'. |
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| 12:43.20 | NeutrinoPower | http://neo900.org/ |
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| 17:37.47 | anYc | www.golem.de/news/golden-delicious-openphoenux-plant-freien-n900-nachfolger-1311-102510.html |
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| 17:47.09 | NeutrinoPower | ja voll cool, hab ich auch schon gelesen: http://www.pro-linux.de/news/1/20419/neo900-will-nokias-n900-beerben.html |
| 17:47.38 | NeutrinoPower | auch mit einer Cortex A8 CPU |
| 17:48.11 | Apic | Jepp |
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| 20:00.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: otoh we clock the CPU higher. OK it will run faster to idle then. Yeah it might use a bit less than 65nm |
| 20:01.44 | dos1 | he couldn't handle that :( |
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| 21:23.51 | sixwheeledbeast | Is there a plan to package zzztop up for the repos? |
| 21:26.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>We would also like to mention that building and running a gigantic botnet and then watching it as it scans nothing less than the whole Internet at rates of billions of IPs per hour over and over again is really as much fun as it sounds like.<< |
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| 21:34.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | good question, though honestly it's just as simple to install as: |
| 21:34.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~zzztop |
| 21:34.46 | infobot | i heard zzztop is http://fatphil.org/linux/maemo/index.html#zzztop - the better and even FOSS powertop, or "" root; cd /usr/local/bin; wget http://fatphil.org/linux/maemo/zzztop.pl.txt -O zzztop; chmod +x zzztop "", or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/zzztop |
| 21:35.17 | sixwheeledbeast | a .deb? |
| 21:36.18 | sixwheeledbeast | I have tested it but a .deb in the repos would be nice :) |
| 21:36.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | "copy and paste" |
| 21:36.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, yeah |
| 21:36.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe |
| 21:37.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | as nice as the .deb for starhash-enabler ;-) |
| 21:37.58 | sixwheeledbeast | it will actually make extras due to it working on all kernel versions. |
| 21:38.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly the only deb in maemo-extras that doesn't contain *any* executable |
| 21:39.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I could install the complete starhash-enabler even more easy than zzztop, it wouldn't even need any wget, just a simple echo command and that's it |
| 21:40.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus yeah, I'm all aware that zzztop would need a package in extras |
| 21:40.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I don't know of any devel who's planning to do such package |
| 21:41.02 | sixwheeledbeast | does zztop take much root? I didn't check if <0.3MB |
| 21:41.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | way smaller |
| 21:42.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/ |
| 21:43.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0.3MB? |
| 21:43.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | never heard of that limit |
| 21:43.57 | sixwheeledbeast | maximum for promotion to extras |
| 21:44.15 | sixwheeledbeast | >0.3MB requires /opt |
| 21:44.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~optification |
| 21:44.28 | infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" |
| 21:45.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, even >>m, specially for applications requiring more than 5<< |
| 21:45.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops >>m, specially for applications requiring more than 500k<< |
| 21:46.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | sth severely broken in my browser's highlighting of texts |
| 21:47.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/'s highlighting of texts// |
| 21:49.17 | sixwheeledbeast | ~extras-testing |
| 21:49.17 | infobot | hmm... extras-testing is the maemo testing repository, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-05-19.log.html#t2011-05-19T16:27:37 |
| 21:49.39 | sixwheeledbeast | eh |
| 21:49.46 | sixwheeledbeast | listkeys testing |
| 21:50.13 | sixwheeledbeast | ~listkeys testing |
| 21:50.33 | sixwheeledbeast | ~listkeys #maemo testing |
| 21:52.33 | sixwheeledbeast | Oh well guidelines I have used for testing from here say 0.3MB http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist |
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| 21:55.12 | sixwheeledbeast | is surprised wget takes 1.9MB on root http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem/Non-Optified_packages |
| 21:59.27 | mashina_ | isn't busybox-power good enough? |
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| 22:01.23 | sixwheeledbeast | good enough, how? |
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| 22:03.37 | BCMM | anybody know how to read google + on microb? |
| 22:04.18 | BCMM | the normal version has major page-wideness problems, and i can't seem to find a way to view a mobile-friendly version without making an account... |
| 22:22.20 | sixwheeledbeast | dictatorships work ;) |
| 22:23.58 | kerio | sixwheeledbeast: busybox-power's got wget |
| 22:27.09 | sixwheeledbeast | Oh I see. |
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