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| 01:24.51 | qwerty123 | My fbcmd stopped working and so did my qutim !! |
| 01:27.00 | qwerty123 | ~Gmt |
| 01:27.01 | infobot | Generic Mapping Tools. URL: http://imina.soest.hawaii.edu/gmt/. Greenwich Mean Time |
| 01:27.24 | qwerty123 | ~time |
| 01:27.25 | infobot | 2013.10.30 1:27:25 GMT |
| 01:27.46 | qwerty123 | Great!! Nite there fellas!! |
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| 04:59.10 | qwerty123 | Hey anyone dere??! |
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| 05:03.03 | qwerty123 | My n900 stops responding sometimes. Cure is to wait or to restart. By unresponding i mean, we can surf thru menu and open any app but then after the app opens, it wont accept any touch or any keypress. For eg, xterm opens w/o the solidcursor (ie wid unfilled cursor) and remains the same!! |
| 05:15.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwerty123: ffiixx yyoouurr kkeeyyss!! !! !! !! !! |
| 05:16.25 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: keys??! |
| 05:16.56 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: my keys work fine!! |
| 05:16.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwerty123: and please at least *try* to talk a somewhat correct english, leetspeak isn't appreciated here |
| 05:17.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | next "!!" will give you a kick |
| 05:17.32 | qwerty123 | okay. |
| 05:19.50 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: what's the soltuion? |
| 05:19.58 | qwerty123 | *solution? |
| 05:20.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | to what? |
| 05:20.22 | qwerty123 | to the problem stated above. |
| 05:20.32 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: my keys work fine. |
| 05:20.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't read statements that have leetspeak in it |
| 05:23.01 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: okay. My phone doesnt respond sometimes. opened apps won't accept any touch or keypress, but menu and home work fine. |
| 05:23.12 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: is it fine for you? |
| 05:23.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, works for me. No such problems seen usually here |
| 05:25.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | didn't you tell you had problems with your digitizer? You fixed that? |
| 05:25.25 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: what maybe the cause? opening htop shows no excess cpu usage by any app. |
| 05:25.46 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: yep. |
| 05:26.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think your hardware is defect |
| 05:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | and messing with software to fix that doesn't help but makes thinks worse |
| 05:26.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | things even |
| 05:27.02 | qwerty123 | if hardware is defective, then why would it work for menu and home. only apps go unresponding sometimes. |
| 05:28.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you reflash stock maemo5, do NOT install additional apps, and still have same problems, how could it be software? |
| 05:28.52 | qwerty123 | When did i say its stock maemo5 ? It is cssu. |
| 05:29.26 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: That issue was different. Not this one. |
| 05:30.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | you've been advices to reflash stock maemo images and test. Several times now. Until you consider following that advice, I don't see any use in trying to help you out of any 3rd level afterefects |
| 05:30.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | adviced* |
| 05:33.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | look, nobody else is encountering this overwhelming amount of trouble and unusual bizarre effects. It's a waste of everybody's time to try and diagnose every single one of them, just to finally find each time the same result: probably it's hardware defect |
| 05:34.51 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: thank you. |
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| 05:37.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | since nobody else suffers same problems, it must be something very individual and unique to your device's hw and/or sw. When the problems persist with virgin maemo5 the it's obviously hw. When the problems are gone the all you can do is install the apps and whatnote widgets/patches/younameit ONE BY ONE one per day, and see which is causing the effects to appear again |
| 05:38.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | (add an "n" to "the" where needed) |
| 05:45.57 | qwerty123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.22 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: sorry. Vkb error. |
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| 05:47.17 | qwerty123 | ignore after 2months. thats the vkb error. |
| 05:48.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | device sometimes freezes in swapping hell. particularly when copying huge data volumes between uSD and eMMC |
| 05:48.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are no other general problems known |
| 05:49.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, one: device getting slow after some 5..15 days of uptime, due to swap fragmentation. But that neither explains any of the priblems you see |
| 05:50.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | OTOH *all* your problems seem to be somehow related to digitizer |
| 05:51.58 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: its not the device freezing. menu and homescreen work properly, just the apps donot work. apps dont respond, menu and home do. even to close the notresponding app, have to use dashboard as app's close button wont respond. |
| 05:52.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | unheard bizarre effect |
| 05:52.38 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: okay. i will get it checked at any shop. |
| 05:53.31 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: not even one case like this? |
| 05:54.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | again: check with virgin stock maemo image without additional packages installed, if the problems persist or return after a few days then it's hardware. Otherwise try to install the packages one by one and see what's the culprit. Nobody in here can help, since it's a new unheard of effect |
| 05:55.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually all the efects you reported during last few days are unheard of |
| 05:57.07 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: okay. I will. Wow! maybe cons of getting a used device. thanks for help. |
| 05:58.15 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: my first one was also unsolved, which was concluded as hardware damage. on newly flashed device c0 98.4 percent in powertop. |
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| 05:59.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | just a arbitrary explanation: when digitizer oil is oxidized or some of it got lost somewhere, then any touch may stay sticky and only "opens up the contact between planes" when touching at another point of digitizer. This might work for appstarter, since you virtually "lift your finger" for a few milliseconds when old touchpoint opens and before new touchpoint closes connection between upper and lower digitizer plane. For any app however |
| 05:59.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | this won't usually fly |
| 06:00.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | high C0 also can be an effect caused by "sticky touchpoint": the hildon gfx engine tries to move screen or icon or whatever it is supposed to do with a "point and drag" operation |
| 06:03.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | diagnosing the digitizer with board tools isn't that easy, since the API is already pretty much preprocessed |
| 06:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 06:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | when he wouldn't leave channel, I'd be able to give him furhter advice, like "enable taktile (vibrator) and audio touch feedback in settings->display(?). Start drawing app, see if there are random drawn lines/dots appearing. Check for proper behaviour of feedback when clicking exactly same point several times." |
| 06:09.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | "open xterm by kbd-shortcut. see if xterm input works. If xterm finally works, start drawing app via xterm cmdlne and see if it works _then_, when it doesn't work when started from applauncher" |
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| 07:00.24 | sono_ | it's like you coded and bult half the phone core. |
| 07:01.09 | sono_ | i didn't even get arounf to thumbifiying yet. work, other projects, hackspace maintenance... |
| 07:01.28 | sono_ | at least my n900 typing is getting faster. |
| 07:01.45 | sono_ | so i am prepared for the neo =) |
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| 11:46.18 | sunweaver | Hi all, I just became aware of the Neo900 project. How can I help? |
| 11:46.36 | sunweaver | I am a Debian Developer and actually would like to see the Hildon Desktop UI in Debian... |
| 11:46.42 | sunweaver | does that make sense? |
| 11:47.07 | sunweaver | What OS will the Neo900 be based on? Does the Maemo project pull in sources from Debian? |
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| 11:53.25 | Chat-nel | hello |
| 11:56.39 | Chat-nel | is it possible to build my own N900 Fiasco image ? |
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| 12:12.57 | Pali | Chat-nel: yes |
| 12:13.06 | Pali | look for sdk-fiasco-gen or 0xFFFF |
| 12:13.27 | Pali | ~0xFFFF |
| 12:13.27 | infobot | methinks 0xffff is https://gitorious.org/0xffff/ |
| 12:14.03 | Chat-nel | Pali: thank you |
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| 12:17.18 | Pali | holy shit, it looks like debian will switch from sys V init to upstart |
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| 12:18.14 | Pali | people who are responsibe for decision are from cannonical |
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| 12:19.36 | anYc | I also wondered about that, didn't debian complain about ubuntu not helping upstream? |
| 12:19.58 | Pali | but upstart is maybe better then systemd: proof from definition: systemd is the worst SW ever |
| 12:21.09 | Pali | anYc: problem is that debian tech-ctte people are from canonical. and I bet that canonical people will not vote against canonical sw (upstart) |
| 12:21.53 | Pali | and another interesting reading about systemd: http://gentooexperimental.org/~patrick/weblog/archives/2013-10.html#e2013-10-29T13_39_32.txt |
| 12:22.13 | Pali | ~poettering |
| 12:23.15 | anYc | Pali: yes, and I wonder why they are in this committee |
| 12:23.30 | sixwheeledbeast | I like upstart TBH. It has benefits |
| 12:23.50 | Pali | anYc: because some other people vote for them... |
| 12:24.19 | anYc | and systemd can't be that bad if most distributions switch to it |
| 12:24.28 | Pali | no no no no no no no |
| 12:24.35 | anYc | :) |
| 12:24.44 | Pali | systemd is one big monotolic shit |
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| 12:25.14 | Chat-nel | I agree with Pali |
| 12:25.23 | Pali | we can wait when systemd eat full linux |
| 12:25.41 | Pali | then there will be only one linux distribution with name systemd |
| 12:25.52 | Pali | there will be one binary systemd for everything... |
| 12:25.56 | sunweaver | anYc: most distros switch to it, because recent GNOME versions depend on its presence. |
| 12:25.58 | Pali | its not normal |
| 12:26.01 | sunweaver | AFAIK |
| 12:26.05 | Pali | so what? |
| 12:26.24 | Pali | if some stupid people decide to depeneds on some stupid SW, then I'm forced to use that stupid sw? |
| 12:26.38 | Pali | no, not |
| 12:26.40 | sunweaver | Pali: no. Course not. |
| 12:27.00 | sunweaver | There was a long fud on debian-devel about systemd and voting for it... |
| 12:27.13 | sunweaver | pain of systemd is that it only works on Linux kernels. |
| 12:27.32 | Pali | in traditinal unix way I was able to use any init daemon, any login daemon, any syslog daemon |
| 12:27.34 | sunweaver | likes good ole SystemV |
| 12:27.39 | Pali | and everything worked |
| 12:28.05 | l4m3rx | fsck systemd, fsck sysV. bsd init ftw! |
| 12:28.12 | sunweaver | Pali: do you think you can point me to the right direction? What Hildon desktop will be used with Neo900? |
| 12:28.19 | Pali | if I did not like old syslog daemon, I could switch to syslog-ng and OS worked without problem |
| 12:28.52 | Pali | and now with systemd, I'm not able to replace systemd-logind... |
| 12:29.06 | Pali | also systemd eat udev |
| 12:29.14 | Pali | libdbus too |
| 12:29.21 | Pali | and we can wait what will be next |
| 12:29.41 | Pali | sunweaver: same what in maemo 5? |
| 12:30.18 | Pali | l4m3rx: proof by definition: any SW is better then systemd, so sysv init from bsd is also better |
| 12:31.04 | Pali | FUCK FUCK FUCK, my kubuntu which is systemdless has files in /lib/systemd/system/ !!! |
| 12:31.20 | Pali | why? |
| 12:31.28 | Pali | ubuntu migrating to systemd too? now? |
| 12:31.42 | Pali | OMG, what happening now? |
| 12:31.48 | l4m3rx | Pali, btw the situation now sysV > systemd is a bit like the bsd init> sysV init++++++ situation.... there was no real need for the switch, yet most disros switched.... |
| 12:31.50 | anYc | I'm not really familiar with systemd but I guess it has features that people want and if it's that bad as people say there would be alternatives |
| 12:32.16 | anYc | Pali: at least on Gentoo, packages install systemd files even if systemd is not installed |
| 12:32.27 | l4m3rx | I'm not comparing sysV to systemd, my point is that the we've already seen this kind of useless init change :S |
| 12:32.29 | Pali | why on the earth?? |
| 12:32.37 | sunweaver | Pali: so Maemo stays on the lenny based Debian? |
| 12:32.38 | Pali | to install something which is useless and not needed?? |
| 12:33.01 | Pali | sunweaver: for compatibility and for having working system, core should not changed |
| 12:33.17 | Pali | sunweaver: lot of parts in maemo (which are not in debian) depends on current system |
| 12:33.26 | sunweaver | Pali: ok. |
| 12:33.41 | Pali | sunweaver: we need working system, not some new systemd solution which not working! |
| 12:33.48 | sunweaver | Pali: do you know if there is any upstream for the Hildon Desktop UI? |
| 12:34.04 | Pali | sunweaver: we are upstream :-) CSSU |
| 12:34.31 | sunweaver | Pali: what I would like to do is bringing the Hildon desktop to Debian jessie. Where should I obtain code? |
| 12:34.47 | sunweaver | I guess your Hildon is based on gtk-2 + gconf? |
| 12:34.59 | Pali | sunweaver: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu |
| 12:35.04 | Pali | sunweaver: yes |
| 12:35.17 | sunweaver | what does ssu stand for? (out of curiosity) |
| 12:35.39 | Pali | SSU = seamless software update |
| 12:35.48 | Pali | C stands for Community |
| 12:36.23 | anYc | hm, wasn't cordia doing something similar? http://wiki.maemo.org/Cordia |
| 12:37.08 | anYc | but looks like http://cordiahd.org is lost |
| 12:37.28 | l4m3rx | I don't know what will happen with the systemd fisco, but there's one thing sure ...Slackware userbase will grow 'cose of it. |
| 12:37.54 | Chat-nel | l4m3rx: and Gentoo userbase too |
| 12:42.39 | l4m3rx | and LFS |
| 12:42.59 | Chat-nel | euh |
| 12:43.36 | Chat-nel | not exactly an user-friendly distribution |
| 12:43.53 | l4m3rx | gentoo had some openrc bs init , right? |
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| 12:44.16 | anYc | default is openrc |
| 12:44.40 | l4m3rx | can switch it to bsd init? |
| 12:45.24 | anYc | hm, I don't know, at least there is also a working Gentoo/BSD project |
| 12:45.55 | Chat-nel | openrc uses either sysVinit or systemd for Linux kernels |
| 12:46.03 | l4m3rx | http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Comparison_of_init_systems |
| 12:46.15 | Chat-nel | and it uses BSD init for FreeBSD kernel |
| 12:46.19 | l4m3rx | so just another fricken init out there... |
| 12:46.42 | l4m3rx | why didn't they just used the bsd init for both? |
| 12:47.52 | l4m3rx | oh , cross-service deps ...i see. |
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| 12:56.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm founding the official anti-systemd_anti-PolypAudio_anti-kill-udev_anti_nuke-/usr_ANTIANTIANIT-POETTERING_club |
| 12:58.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | PA started to implement stuff that peottering never understood were already existing and working fine in ALSA. sytemd invented to do same for sysV-init, with same wrong rationale |
| 13:00.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | mixing in PA, MY ASS!!! dmix in ALSA worked great, while PA failed epically and hogged CPU |
| 13:01.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | per-app volume, HAHAHAHA. ALSA been able to do this since ages, just peottering didn't know how to do it |
| 13:01.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | audio via network, ALSA can do it |
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| 13:02.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | so please tell me since I forgot - what exactly been the reason we NEED PA? |
| 13:03.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | same for systemd |
| 13:03.39 | jaska | i hope debian doesnt go for systemd.. i'll have to keep sysvinit around manually then |
| 13:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | parallelizing init-tasks? FREAKIN SHITE, my Suse-sysVinit has a "parallelize: yes/no" flag since I guess 10 years |
| 13:04.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and don't get me started on /usr and udev! >:-( |
| 13:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | since ages linux is striving to stay and even get more compatible with arbitrary unix. Mr Poettering thinks this is an evil thing that has to get abandoned |
| 13:06.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | moron |
| 13:08.27 | wnd | DocScrutinizer05, where do I sign up?-) |
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| 13:16.37 | l4m3rx | As a friend likes to say ... 'Some guys are alive only 'cose it's illegal to kill them' :D |
| 13:16.49 | l4m3rx | ^ Mr Poettering is one of them |
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| 13:23.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ack |
| 13:24.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | wnd: wait a short while, I'll go creating a website |
| 13:24.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | virtual club room |
| 13:26.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkey poettering |
| 13:26.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys poettering |
| 13:26.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~unforget poettering |
| 13:26.36 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: Successfully recovered 'poettering'. Have fun now. |
| 13:28.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | like there's no singular (no plural?) of sheep or fish, there's also no basic form of poettering, 'to poetter' doesn't exist |
| 13:29.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~poettering |
| 13:29.21 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' |
| 13:35.27 | jaska | someone had deleted it again? |
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| 15:58.17 | Pali | upstart init daemon using ptrace for handling running processes |
| 15:58.26 | Pali | this is also worse |
| 15:59.03 | Pali | why on the earth people who writing init daemons doing this shits? |
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| 16:05.26 | Pali | >>> <DocScrutinizer05> so please tell me since I forgot - what exactly been the reason we NEED PA? <<< My bluetooth audio headset does not work without PA :-( :-( |
| 16:05.46 | Chat-nel | Pali: the dump fiasco image works with 0xFFFF for a N900 ? |
| 16:06.23 | Pali | Chat-nel: what do you mean with that? 0xFFFF can on n900 dump all parts and pack them to fiasco image |
| 16:06.52 | Pali | but due to optification, you can not easy flash /opt together with rootfs |
| 16:07.31 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: alsa cannot use my bluetooth headset (or I did not found any working howto for that) |
| 16:08.35 | Pali | ~poettering |
| 16:08.36 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' |
| 16:10.44 | Chat-nel | is there an available package for the N900 ? I tried to use it from my computer for making a dump, but it is not supported |
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| 16:11.09 | Pali | Chat-nel: you need to compile 0xFFFF for n900 (in scratchbox) yourself |
| 16:11.30 | Pali | O think there is some beta version build for n900 in TMO thread |
| 16:11.34 | Pali | ~0xFFFF |
| 16:11.34 | infobot | rumour has it, 0xffff is https://gitorious.org/0xffff/ |
| 16:11.53 | Chat-nel | ok, thank you |
| 16:12.23 | Pali | infobot: 0xFFFF is also http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 |
| 16:12.23 | infobot | okay, Pali |
| 16:12.29 | Pali | ~0xFFFF |
| 16:12.29 | infobot | i heard 0xffff is https://gitorious.org/0xffff/, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 |
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| 16:15.52 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: what about replacing pulseaudio server with jackd server? |
| 16:17.05 | Pali | I do not understand why they did not started to providing additional jackd modules, but they started doing on new audio server esd/pulseaudio |
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| 17:40.23 | z1pp0 | bonjour |
| 17:40.46 | Chat-nel | bonsoir z1pp0 |
| 17:40.59 | z1pp0 | sa va?? |
| 17:41.21 | Chat-nel | vite fait |
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| 18:10.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ((My bluetooth audio headset does not work without PA)) that's because of silly bluez-devels decided to only support PA and no ALSA |
| 18:11.06 | Pali | yes :-( |
| 18:11.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not a deficiency of ALSA or a merit of PA though |
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| 18:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | the dynamic switching from anohter audio sink to BT headset is a bit tricky to implement in ALSA |
| 18:12.22 | Pali | it is ever possible? |
| 18:13.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | but unless you want to pair arbitrary new headsets while listening to music and then switch to that freshly paired headset without any gap in playback, it *can* get done in ALSA as well, simply by defining multiple sinks and giving a dedicated level control/muteswitch to each one of them |
| 18:14.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | you just need to know the sinks prior to opening the ALSA stack, since they need to be defined in stack definition before you do |
| 18:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | this would evem allow to playback via *both* BT headset and e.g. AV-jack |
| 18:18.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and ALSA has a nice method to start arbitrary executables on opening/closing an alsa stack, you just define the executable to run in the stack definition (~/.asoundrc) |
| 18:19.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I created a lib to provide that function |
| 18:20.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/ALSAso.tar.gz |
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| 18:21.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could change mixer settings (that's what ALSA always been able to do, even without my testhook.so) or execute whatever you like, e.g. switch on the BT or your home-stereo |
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| 18:29.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | since the app is using alsa library to open the ALSA stack you defined in e.g. .asoundrc and the library is in app context, ALSA also sees same env vars you set up for the app. one of those can be a redefinition of "default" for those idiotic apps that can't choose the ALSA device to open/use but always open alsa_default device |
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| 18:34.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | you just place a env expansion for "$alsa_default" into the definition of default pcm, and thus you make any arbitrary (even "broken") app open whatever device(-audiostack) you want |
| 18:40.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/twinklephone/conversations/topics/1731 |
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| 18:45.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/76e2ea7c29 |
| 18:47.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/ALSA/ACI/ |
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| 19:10.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: unlike any other audio concept you don't need ANY patches to the app that wants to use special audio device |
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| 20:15.02 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/30/cisco_open_source_h264_stack/ |
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| 21:07.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900 fundraiser started |
| 21:07.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | neo900.org |
| 21:07.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1383443&postcount=948 |
| 21:08.58 | kolp | \o/ |
| 21:09.26 | kolp | is waiting for the feasibility study, though |
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| 21:14.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | it should be online, there been an issue which requeres login to access it |
| 21:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope that will be fixed soon |
| 21:15.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | the study is a moving target, it kinda documents our recent status |
| 21:16.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's "unfinished" even to the current state, as it always lags behind a bit |
| 21:16.49 | kolp | Ah, I thought that login was kinda an indicator that it's not done yet |
| 21:17.05 | kolp | s/not done/not available/ |
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| 21:21.03 | dos1 | kolp: I'll put the link to feasibility study on homepage soon |
| 21:21.56 | sono | do it ASAP, don't hurt credibility... |
| 21:22.57 | kolp | dos1: Great! Would be cool if you could put a new post on the RSS feed, too, when it's there |
| 21:23.12 | dos1 | kolp: should be there |
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| 21:23.48 | dos1 | my reader even already picked it up ;) |
| 21:24.44 | sono | marvelous thing, this internet |
| 21:24.49 | kolp | dos1: The fundraiser announcement, yes. I was talking about the feasibility study link ;) |
| 21:24.54 | dos1 | oh, ok |
| 21:24.55 | dos1 | sure :) |
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| 21:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | (fweasibility study) I'm sure Nikolaus forgot to set it public. Should be fixed soon, the link/URL will stay stable |
| 21:59.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw you probably could just create an account and then log in to access it right away |
| 22:00.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I haven't tried yet :-D ) |
| 22:00.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | (since I already know what's in there) |
| 22:01.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | we had a first donation of 300 already a few hours ago :-o |
| 22:01.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas money transfer, so it's not yet on meter, until money shows up on bank account |
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| 23:08.52 | MentalistTraceur | freemangordon: Any chance you got a moment to spare to help me figure out why your open source libcal isn't working for me? (I'm trying to build an actual libcal.so that I could then drop in in place of the existing closed source one, to test some stuff - have you ever compiled it on the N900 itself, and regardless of where, what's the command string you used with gcc (or what did you use if ... |
| 23:08.58 | MentalistTraceur | ... not gcc)) |
| 23:11.06 | lexik | is spreading the word about Neo900 insanely and dreaming about connecting OpenEEG to it... neo900.org page is making me craazy o.O :D |
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| 23:12.47 | MentalistTraceur | I have limited experience compiling shared object files, so I may be screwing something up, but I have tried "gcc -shared cal.c" (obviously with the latest version of cal.c and cal.h from the gitorious.com/community-ssu/libcal repo, |
| 23:14.07 | lexik | dos1: New Neo900 page is looking awesome :) [big thanks] |
| 23:14.12 | MentalistTraceur | and that creates a massively bloated binary in the first place, but then it also fails to actually work, with error messages like "unexpected reloc type 0x03" when I run a program that was compiled against the stock libcal. |
| 23:14.33 | MentalistTraceur | Anyone else other than freemangordon who can help, feel free to chip in as well. |
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| 23:24.36 | dos1 | lexik: thanks :) |
| 23:27.03 | jake42 | I presume battery hot-swap on neo900 is referring to swaping battery while usb is plugged in, right? |
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| 23:28.39 | dos1 | jake42: that's for sure... but DocScrutinizer05 is planning some crazy stuff there ;) |
| 23:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, that's meant for really fats swap of battery in the field |
| 23:30.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | fast* |
| 23:30.06 | jake42 | dos1: no doubt about that :) |
| 23:30.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | hotswap with charger plugged in works even on N900 ;-) |
| 23:30.55 | MentalistTraceur | (That's what I already thought, but since we're on the topc it's good to hear it actually confirmed.) |
| 23:31.15 | MentalistTraceur | s/topc/topic/ |
| 23:31.43 | jake42 | DocScrutinizer05: so how's the hotswap without another powersource going to work? |
| 23:31.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's about some buffer capacitors allowing device to operate 2..5s without battery |
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| 23:32.03 | jake42 | while in some deep sleep mode? |
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| 23:32.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah |
| 23:32.20 | Gh0sty | i was wondering actually you might know DocScrutinizer05 |
| 23:32.30 | Gh0sty | is there a way to power an n900 without battery? |
| 23:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | just reduce unneeded power hogs, like display backlight |
| 23:32.44 | Gh0sty | like shorting pins in the battery compartment? |
| 23:32.56 | Gh0sty | so it runs solely from AC adapter? |
| 23:33.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gh0sty: yes, but not for the modem |
| 23:33.24 | Gh0sty | so you can't make calls? |
| 23:33.28 | Gh0sty | thats ok i guess |
| 23:33.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you connect a beefy PSU directly to the battery conatcts |
| 23:33.48 | Gh0sty | its just an idea of what to do with the phone once i buy a new one |
| 23:34.00 | Gh0sty | bit of a waste to sell it since nobody will want it |
| 23:34.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I operated my N900 for several hours without battery inserted |
| 23:34.09 | Gh0sty | rather want to keep it for some other stuff ... :) |
| 23:34.29 | Gh0sty | you can make a description (or there are links?) |
| 23:34.32 | kolp | Gh0sty: Why not keep it on USB with battery inserted? |
| 23:34.48 | Gh0sty | well if you do that for weeks / months |
| 23:34.55 | Gh0sty | batteries dont like that i guess :p |
| 23:35.06 | Gh0sty | and will eventually die (and i hope not in flames) |
| 23:35.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | funny enough you need to make sure the backlight won't shut down ever, to provide a certain minimum power consumption, when running it from charger only |
| 23:35.47 | Gh0sty | isn't turning on wifi or bt enough ? |
| 23:36.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gh0sty: my N900 is 95% on PSU, the T900 (devel devidce) 100%, since years |
| 23:36.46 | Gh0sty | so how do you do it? :P |
| 23:39.03 | Gh0sty | other idea i had was just to put in like a supercap |
| 23:39.11 | Gh0sty | that pretends to be a battery ... :) |
| 23:39.21 | Gh0sty | if that'll fit in the battery compartiment that is :p |
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| 23:43.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | my t900 battery is quite ok still |
| 23:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it actually literally runs since years from charger, 24/7 |
| 23:44.03 | Gh0sty | hm ok |
| 23:44.09 | Gh0sty | i have one of my old phones |
| 23:44.15 | Gh0sty | not plugged in for a while |
| 23:44.27 | Gh0sty | noticed that the battery has like expanded |
| 23:44.48 | Gh0sty | not really exploded or leaking but something must be wrong inside ... |
| 23:45.03 | Gh0sty | ofcourse i am talking a device that has in the mean time > 10 years on the counter :P |