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| 07:18.14 | Sicelo | hmm, Hamster file manager... it's nice, but i think some stuff is just too winded.. |
| 07:18.41 | Sicelo | i seen on tmo some were hoping to have it as standard file manager on cssu. :-/ |
| 07:18.51 | Sicelo | don't think i agree |
| 07:20.15 | Sicelo | most processes need you to first move the file onto clipboard :( |
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| 07:42.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: "have it as standard filemanager on CSSU" is fundamental nonsense, since CSSU is exactly NOT about such changes |
| 07:43.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | "have a method in CSSU to *select* the standard filemanager" is the only thing you may hope for |
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| 07:46.36 | sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: I feel that was possibly my opinion and I agree with DocScrutinizer |
| 07:46.53 | Chat-nel | hi |
| 07:57.46 | Chat-nel | does someone know where Faster App Manager stores its repositories ? |
| 07:59.02 | Chat-nel | I would like to add some repo with the command line |
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| 08:01.19 | sixwheeledbeast | ~fam |
| 08:01.20 | infobot | well, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. |
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| 08:36.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literap fapman |
| 08:36.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal fapman |
| 08:36.58 | infobot | "fapman" is "Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default." |
| 08:37.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: fapman is also in short, it's deprecated |
| 08:37.34 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 08:37.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal fapman |
| 08:37.39 | infobot | "fapman" is "Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. in short, it's deprecated" |
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| 08:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka "Faulty APplication MANager" |
| 08:43.34 | jaska | and the other one is horrible application manager |
| 08:44.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | the long story: fapman obviously been developed by somebody who had some knowledge about apt and gui coding, but no thorough understanding of the differnces between maemo and a standard debian distro, regarding packaging and the requirements this introduces and which get handled by HAM |
| 08:51.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | evidence: HAM sourcecode always been free & open, and every reasonable programmer had first analyzed the HAM code and considered to improve *that*, rather than writing something new from scratch. Even when analysis of existing code resulted in "It's rotten to the bones, we need to start from scratch", this approach had revealed details that are mandatory to consider and implement to a App Manager, and any rewrite from scratch would have |
| 08:51.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | based more on the _woring_ concepts in HAM or at least explained why they can get ignored and what's the implications in doing so |
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| 08:53.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/woring/working/ |
| 08:54.15 | Pali | HAM is slow because of 1) parsing uuencoded applications icons from Packages.gz text files (from apt repository) 2) parsing Maemo specified fields from that file 3) parsing is slow for too many packages and repositories |
| 08:54.46 | Pali | only idiot could get idea to put application icons into debian package control file... |
| 08:55.45 | Pali | this totally slow down downloading info from apt repository and parsing huge text file where is uuencoded icons... |
| 08:57.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I tend to agree 100% for the icons |
| 08:57.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | they make packages.gz bloated and gibberish to read |
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| 09:08.32 | l4m3rx | Pali, about kp52+git. I've been using it for the last few days.... (heavly using the headset button) and I didn't notice any slowdowns. |
| 09:08.55 | Pali | l4m3rx: ok, thanks for testing |
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| 09:09.58 | Pali | I'm preparing new version from git for testing with other patches by dfries |
| 09:10.16 | Pali | I will update TMO post when packages will be ready for testing |
| 09:14.01 | l4m3rx | Where can I take a look at "what's to come" ? :) |
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| 10:37.42 | shimmy | Hi. How can I get a virtual keyboard on screen in terminal on an N900? |
| 10:37.57 | shimmy | The virtual keyboard is enabled in settings. |
| 10:40.51 | Pali | just click on the terminal screen with closed HW keyboard |
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| 10:48.52 | shimmy | Pali: nothing. |
| 10:49.37 | shimmy | If it was that simple I wouldn't have the need to ask here. |
| 10:50.43 | shimmy | Afaik I have never had a virtual keyboard in the terminal. |
| 10:51.14 | shimmy | Ofcourse, I havent had the need to use until now because I want to use a character so unusual in it's use in terminal that the devs forgot to add a default binding for it. The illusive pipe | |
| 10:51.55 | psycho_oreos | Your vkbd might be broken. Also you can add pipe into your xterm window via gconftool |
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| 10:53.57 | shimmy | I am unfamiliar with gconftool |
| 10:54.20 | shimmy | The reason I need a pipe is to PS fmms processes. |
| 10:54.52 | shimmy | I cannot receive MMS, it just says "Operation failed". Double, triple, quadruple and quintuple checked all the settings, they are correct. |
| 10:55.44 | psycho_oreos | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34926 <--- gconftool in use with examples and all. |
| 10:57.09 | shimmy | Yeah, thats a lot simpler than using a virtual keyboard, lol |
| 10:57.26 | shimmy | I'd still like my virtual keyboard to work. |
| 10:57.32 | shimmy | in the terminal, no keyboard showing up |
| 10:57.54 | psycho_oreos | With MMS using fMMS, you might be able to get by via tweaking the policy to aggressive. That's how I got MMS working at one stage on my N900. |
| 10:58.17 | psycho_oreos | So SSH into the device and check what's up with it. |
| 10:59.09 | shimmy | psycho_oreos: I cant do the gconf thingy because I need square brackets |
| 10:59.18 | shimmy | and ofcourse, without a virtual keyboad I cannot type them |
| 10:59.27 | psycho_oreos | shimmy, did you not read what I wrote just now? |
| 10:59.33 | shimmy | So, how does one get a virtual keyboard for the terminal? |
| 10:59.41 | psycho_oreos | I mentioned SSH. |
| 10:59.43 | shimmy | psycho_oreos: so I have to config SSH on the phone first |
| 10:59.48 | shimmy | to get a virtual keyboard up and running |
| 11:00.29 | psycho_oreos | You don't need virtual keyboard to config SSH, there's already packaged openssh thing that allows easeof setting up and getting SSH running. |
| 11:00.53 | shimmy | psycho_oreos: |
| 11:01.14 | psycho_oreos | The only area that you might need the keyboard (and physical keyboard will do) is to setup the password. |
| 11:01.28 | shimmy | I want MMS to work, it does not, in order to find out why I need to use a pipe and in order to get a pipe character I need a virtual keyboard, but to get the virutal keyboard working I need ssh so I can find out why the virtual keyboard isnt working. |
| 11:01.36 | shimmy | I have a feeling this is gonna be a productive day. |
| 11:01.38 | kerio | shimmy: oh |
| 11:01.50 | kerio | fn and then ctrl |
| 11:02.10 | shimmy | kerio: THANK YOU!!! :) |
| 11:03.20 | shimmy | yeah "operation failed" in fMMS |
| 11:03.31 | shimmy | is there a log for fmms? |
| 11:04.24 | shimmy | psycho_oreos: where is this policy? only option I see is network mode which I can set to polite, rude or havoc |
| 11:04.46 | psycho_oreos | shimmy, so it's havoc then. |
| 11:04.54 | shimmy | Also, I use this for my settings http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS_configurations#Sweden |
| 11:05.00 | psycho_oreos | Try messing around and see which one will work. |
| 11:05.19 | shimmy | nope |
| 11:05.22 | shimmy | operational failed on all three |
| 11:05.38 | shimmy | resize is "medium", im hoping thats ok |
| 11:06.47 | psycho_oreos | Mine's on normal. |
| 11:06.48 | shimmy | ok, I can only conclude that my operator must have broken MMS messages on the server. |
| 11:06.58 | shimmy | I have "medium" |
| 11:07.44 | shimmy | Eh. Well, all new messages cant be broken, that seems odd. |
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| 11:15.59 | shimmy | My MMS internet connection was just removed automagically from all lists and cannot be find. |
| 11:19.07 | shimmy | After a while the entire phone connection gets stuck on "fmms downloading mms" even though the application has since long been killed, but the top menu just indicates that "heck yeah, we're doing the MMS thing", but alas there is no MMS downloaded |
| 11:19.36 | shimmy | ps -A | grep -i mms does not show any apps. |
| 11:19.38 | shimmy | not sure what to kill |
| 11:22.09 | shimmy | "Operation failed |
| 11:23.02 | shimmy | Are there any alternatives to fMMS? It obviously isnt working with my provider. |
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| 11:31.45 | shimmy | MMS to new and high tech, like zooming images in the Photos app. |
| 11:32.27 | shimmy | Ah, 2009, so long ago before such things were invented. It was a simpler time. |
| 11:36.14 | Herbstbert | Hello. Is there a repository for mosh? I just found the page on maemo.org describing the installation on meego. |
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| 12:42.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | kudos to FatPhil! |
| 12:42.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~zzztop |
| 12:42.45 | infobot | rumour has it, zzztop is http://fatphil.org/linux/maemo/index.html#zzztop - the better and even FOSS powertop, or "" root; cd /usr/local/bin; wget http://fatphil.org/linux/maemo/zzztop.pl.txt -O zzztop; chmod +x zzztop "", or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/zzztop |
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| 12:42.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | highly recommended |
| 12:43.24 | qwerty123 | Gt a cssu update notification!! Will it update the kernel??!! ( Went down from kp52 to kp51r1) |
| 12:43.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 12:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | for now CSSU doesn't touch your kernel |
| 12:44.18 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: thanks!! :) And where to get the changelog??! |
| 12:44.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | (this might change eventually, and I shudder when thinking about that) |
| 12:44.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 12:44.53 | infobot | rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 12:45.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't notice any CSSU upgrade lately though |
| 12:45.55 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: no idea!! Just got one now!! |
| 12:46.13 | qwerty123 | Said maemo update!! |
| 12:46.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | what exactly? |
| 12:46.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and save your "!", you eventually might need them |
| 12:47.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#Tmaemo8.2 14.06.2013 |
| 12:48.19 | qwerty123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwerty123: what's your CSSU version in settings->"about CSSU"? What's the exact name of the update you see? |
| 12:50.19 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: flavour testing, maemo8.2. It just said maemo update. |
| 12:50.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | hard to believe |
| 12:51.43 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: ham is still loading..... |
| 12:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, that takes a while, particularly when you got extras-devel enabled which you never should have |
| 12:53.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it will offer updates for a few packages, but not for maemo Community SSU system |
| 12:53.35 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: whats the problem with ham? |
| 12:53.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | problem? no problem. Just lots of data to process |
| 12:54.23 | qwerty123 | It just said maemo update. |
| 12:54.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | lots of package data for all the packages in extras-devel |
| 12:54.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, it never only says "maemo update" |
| 12:55.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a notifier that says sth like "maemo update available! 5 new packages..." |
| 12:56.11 | qwerty123 | Got it. Maemo 5 community ssu package. |
| 12:56.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and if you're lucky it even lists the packages avalable for update |
| 12:56.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | version? |
| 12:56.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | details? |
| 12:56.34 | qwerty123 | From status menu, it shortens it i think! |
| 12:57.20 | qwerty123 | 8.3 292kb in size. |
| 12:57.26 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: |
| 12:57.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 12:57.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: you rolled out 8.3??? |
| 12:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | HECK, if only we'd get a heads up beforehand |
| 12:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | then I'd not waste 15 min to talk users thru verifying there's actually a CSSU update available |
| 13:00.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, can't be that hard to leave a oneline note in here |
| 13:00.35 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: are you not on cssu? |
| 13:00.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I "broke" it with 7.2 |
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| 13:01.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | since I didn't want to forego procps |
| 13:02.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | installing procps uninstalls the package you just received an update for |
| 13:02.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | which doesn't mean it uninstalls CSSU |
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| 13:06.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwerty123: (changelog) it is a best practice in CSSU to deliver the changelog 2 or 3 days *after* the update rolled out ;-P |
| 13:06.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | to keep users alert |
| 13:07.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's more fun to update and then after a few days check how many of the improvements you were able to spot X-P |
| 13:08.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you think that's no fun at all, I suggest to ignore the update and wait for HAM to pop it up next time. Then check if changelog already available, and proceed accordingly by either deciding to update or ignore for another period of time |
| 13:09.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL, I guess he already updates |
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| 16:29.06 | sono | Herbstbert =) |
| 16:29.15 | Herbstbert | sono :D |
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| 16:29.40 | Herbstbert | sono: Once upon a time in the freenode network... |
| 16:29.51 | sono | nodnods, is still at work |
| 16:30.01 | Herbstbert | Me 2 |
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| 17:06.13 | qwerty123 | Hey is it safe to simply replace the fonts in /usr/share/fonts/nokia wid some other fonts renamed ro be same as the ones already present??!! |
| 17:06.26 | qwerty123 | Hey is it safe to simply replace the fonts in /usr/share/fonts/nokia wid some other fonts renamed ro be same as the ones already present??!! |
| 17:08.12 | qwazix | qwerty123, it doesn't sound risky but prolly won't do what you expect though |
| 17:08.37 | qwazix | (except if you open the fonts in fontforge and change the names *inside* the file too) |
| 17:11.28 | qwerty123 | qwazix: fontforge?? |
| 17:11.40 | qwazix | FOSS app to create fonts |
| 17:11.53 | qwazix | available on desktop linuxes, and windows |
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| 17:12.39 | qwazix | but it might be the wrong way to go. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 17:13.41 | qwerty123 | qwazix: okay thanks!! :) Just asking, hav yu tried sumthing like thiss??? |
| 17:13.41 | qwazix | I usually use themecustomiser to change system fonts plus edit transitions.ini |
| 17:13.49 | qwazix | see above |
| 17:14.25 | qwazix | themecustomiser IIRC has some incompatibilities with CSSU, but if you only touch fonts you are safe |
| 17:14.56 | Malinux | I am trying to install the backupmenu software to restore a backup. I get this output from terminal about dependencies |
| 17:15.14 | qwerty123 | qwazix: i have done that!! But that doesnot change the font of vkb (only text area).. Need to change that. |
| 17:15.30 | Malinux | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6319374/ |
| 17:16.25 | qwazix | qwerty123, weird, my vkb font is changed correctly |
| 17:16.50 | qwazix | scratch that |
| 17:17.04 | qwazix | you are right text area is old font yes |
| 17:17.07 | qwerty123 | qwazix: font of the text area too apart from the keys??!! |
| 17:17.20 | qwerty123 | qwazix: yeahh!! |
| 17:17.33 | qwerty123 | Thats what i need to change. |
| 17:19.32 | qwerty123 | qwazix: fonts/nokia seems to contain the default fonts, dats y i ws wanting to change it.. |
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| 17:22.28 | qwazix | qwerty123, you can try, but fonts in linux aren't used by filename |
| 17:22.43 | qwazix | but with font name, which is a field inside the font file |
| 17:22.56 | qwazix | (I tried on the N9, it doesn't work) |
| 17:23.40 | qwerty123 | qwazix: fontforge on debian repo?? |
| 17:24.17 | qwazix | should be yeah |
| 17:24.54 | qwerty123 | its dere!! Downloading in easy deb!qwazix: |
| 17:25.25 | qwazix | oh, good luck with that! I struggle with the interface even on my pc |
| 17:26.22 | qwerty123 | Aaaahhh!! Just 5 mb! Still??! |
| 17:29.28 | sixwheeledbeast | themecustomizer isn't perfect. |
| 17:29.52 | sixwheeledbeast | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/known_broken_packages |
| 17:29.53 | qwazix | no, it isn't, but neither is renaming the fonts |
| 17:30.03 | Malinux | maybe backup-menu depends multiboot and that's why I can't install backup-menu |
| 17:30.51 | qwazix | Malinux, no backupmenu doesn't depend on multiboot |
| 17:31.11 | qwazix | it may conflict with it even |
| 17:31.30 | Malinux | qwazix: okey. So. I am trying to install backup-menu to restore a bacup from another N900 |
| 17:32.15 | Malinux | and the output I get in terminal did I post here |
| 17:33.36 | qwazix | I saw that but I don't really know why you get that |
| 17:33.53 | qwazix | did you try installing mtd-utils by hand and see the output? Might provide some info |
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| 17:43.29 | Malinux | I tried and I can show that info as well |
| 17:48.11 | Malinux | I lost ssh connection to the N900, so I have to reboot to see if I can reconnect |
| 17:48.45 | Apic | k |
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| 17:52.55 | Malinux | I got connection again after reboot and here is my output http://paste.ubuntu.com/6319570/ |
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| 20:30.05 | Malinux | qwazix: I kind of solved it by manually downloading and installing this package: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk-tools_free_armel/liblzo2-2/2.03-1maemo3/ |
| 20:31.09 | Malinux | it's a dependencie of mtd-utils which is a dependencie of backupmenu :) |
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