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| 05:19.07 | qwerty123 | Hi !! Again i have a problem?? How to change the font in vkb?? |
| 05:19.40 | qwerty123 | *HELP* |
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| 05:34.01 | rajesh | good morning everyone... |
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| 05:36.28 | legendracer | Gud mrng |
| 05:52.04 | legendracer | trying to flash n900 |
| 05:52.22 | legendracer | suitable USB device not found... |
| 05:52.23 | legendracer | ???? |
| 05:54.50 | qwerty123 | Windows?? |
| 05:55.43 | qwerty123 | Instlled libusb driver ?or something like that only!! |
| 05:56.05 | qwerty123 | legendracer |
| 05:56.22 | legendracer | windows 7 64 bit |
| 05:56.49 | qwerty123 | legendracer: libusb?? |
| 05:57.07 | qwerty123 | Checked wiki?? |
| 05:59.07 | qwerty123 | Btw, anyone here wid vkb solution?? |
| 05:59.28 | qwerty123 | rajesh: dsn seem so!! |
| 06:01.37 | legendracer | hw to delete N900 driver from device manager? |
| 06:02.09 | qwerty123 | Delete driver why??! |
| 06:02.12 | qwerty123 | legendracer: |
| 06:06.26 | legendracer | i downloaded libusb.installing it |
| 06:07.37 | qwerty123 | okay!! Follow the wiki ... |
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| 06:10.36 | legendracer_ | restarted and installes libusb |
| 06:11.19 | qwerty123 | now try!!legendracer_: |
| 06:12.51 | legendracer_ | the mobile comes into usb mode, then goes off. |
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| 06:16.37 | psycho_oreos | Probably not enough power. |
| 06:16.40 | legendracer_ | lib usb not showing in device manager |
| 06:17.39 | legendracer_ | lib usb should be shown in device manger. isnt? only then we can know if n900 is in there not? |
| 06:17.51 | legendracer_ | windows 7 |
| 06:18.50 | psycho_oreos | You obviously need to understand more about device drivers and how they differ. libusb is a library, it will not show up within device manager. |
| 06:19.46 | psycho_oreos | I'm pretty sure N900 will show up as it is (using N900 name) under device manager, not libusb. |
| 06:23.03 | legendracer_ | not shoing buddy |
| 06:23.45 | psycho_oreos | Is your N900 even still on? Is your N900 still showing that USB symbol on the top right of the screen? |
| 06:23.54 | legendracer_ | n900 is not shown in device manager...till yesterday i transferred files from phone to pc in mass storage mode |
| 06:25.04 | legendracer_ | i have simply connected to pc..the screen comeds on vibrates and goes off....usb symbol comes on,,then goes off...im chatting....so let it charge in mean time...tried , removing battery and restarting , but only nokia symbol in bright screen. |
| 06:25.54 | legendracer_ | surely there is battyer power above 60 % |
| 06:26.26 | psycho_oreos | Not if the device comes on for a brief few seconds before shutting off. It's a sign that there's not enough power. |
| 06:26.42 | legendracer_ | oh ok..let it charge then... |
| 06:27.01 | legendracer_ | i think i should try wall charger for now |
| 06:29.21 | legendracer_ | even with wall charger , same condition....screen comes on, vibrates, usb symbol comes....then all off...then again same.... |
| 06:30.01 | psycho_oreos | Do you know what USB symbol looks like? are you confusing that with nokia logo? |
| 06:30.34 | legendracer_ | no bro...i know...have flashed it before...so i know flash mode... |
| 06:30.45 | legendracer_ | top right corner... |
| 06:31.49 | psycho_oreos | So your device has gone into boot loop, you may want to look at ways to let it charge for a few minutes before attempting to flash. |
| 06:32.12 | legendracer_ | surely there is charge..lets try..tell me |
| 06:32.15 | qwerty123 | legendracer_: is ur flasher installed properly?? |
| 06:32.59 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: sometimes it wont detect device if nokia connectivity driver isn installed. |
| 06:34.06 | legendracer_ | yes....but before when i installed flasher it showed like this when i ran it.............C:\Windows\system32>cd "C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5" C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5> flasher-3.5.exe flasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009) Nothing to do! Usage: flasher [OPTIONS] Options: -F, --fiasco=ARG Location of a FIASCO image -k, --kernel=ARG Location of kernel image -n, --initfs=ARG Location o |
| 06:34.40 | psycho_oreos | If the battery is/was flat, N900 enters into emergency charging mode which will probably charge N900 up to 10% or so. That might be barely enough for flashing, though from there on N900 will try to boot into normal or act_dead mode but if it bootloops, N900 will try to enter back into the same mode (normal/act_dead) repeatedly until there's not enough power from the battery to hold enough charge for booting up. From there it will enter back into em |
| 06:34.40 | psycho_oreos | ergency charging mode. The whole process may most likely repeat indefinitely. |
| 06:35.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bootloop |
| 06:35.15 | infobot | hmm... bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. |
| 06:35.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flatbatrecover |
| 06:35.32 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!. |
| 06:35.58 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, I don't know for windows, I believe it's more or less the same as in that it will be detected by device manager and maybe windows from there on may prompt for drivers. |
| 06:36.19 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: how to change font in vkb window??! |
| 06:36.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | via menu |
| 06:37.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | vkb? you mean xterm? |
| 06:37.19 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: well, you are correct about low power, i just thought it wasnot getting connected. |
| 06:37.32 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: nope , virtual keboard |
| 06:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, no idea |
| 06:38.27 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: if we change font from theme customiser, only the keys in vkb change but the place where we write, it appears in default font!! |
| 06:38.42 | legendracer_ | so it wont chrage via PC? |
| 06:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 06:39.14 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, still presumably windows will still detect a device that is connected via USB. It's normally what most plug-n-play OS are generally capable of, sensing there is something connected. It shouldn't be an issue with drivers at that initial stage. Even if no drivers were explicitly installed, windows may show the device up as some unknown device or whatever. |
| 06:39.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | not when it doesn't boot properly |
| 06:39.33 | psycho_oreos | ^ |
| 06:39.40 | legendracer_ | right now connected to pc.....yellow light is lit up....not blinking...usb symbol and nokia shown in bright screen |
| 06:39.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's emergency charge |
| 06:40.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | see flatbatrecover |
| 06:40.28 | legendracer_ | what that? |
| 06:40.48 | psycho_oreos | It was mentioned before, scroll up. |
| 06:40.56 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: in my case, i had to reinstall connectivity driver as flasher didn detect the device, but for normal usage its detectable.. |
| 06:41.59 | legendracer_ | how to reinstall connectivity driver? |
| 06:42.03 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, ah yeah with flashing stage that would be different, that would need drivers to be installed but not when N900 is connected to the PC. |
| 06:43.10 | psycho_oreos | ~flashing |
| 06:43.10 | infobot | [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 06:43.47 | psycho_oreos | legendracer_, read that but you won't be able to do anything with flashing until you have properly followed through from flat battery recovery that was already mentioned beforehand. |
| 06:44.30 | legendracer_ | so its steady amber yellow light..... charging na? |
| 06:45.40 | psycho_oreos | Whenever the device lits up amber light by default it means charging. DocScrutinizer05 already explained to you before what steady amber light meant. |
| 06:45.58 | legendracer_ | yes...yes....will wait for 30 min |
| 06:46.19 | psycho_oreos | You were also told to charge from a wall charger not from PC. |
| 06:46.48 | legendracer_ | oh...ok. |
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| 06:47.24 | psycho_oreos | … If you're not going to read what people said before, you're not going to get very far. |
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| 06:47.55 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: hey, btw any idea how to log in qutim?? |
| 06:48.09 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, never used qutim so I don't know. |
| 06:48.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | scratches head, looks at PC clock, goes to sleep another hour |
| 06:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn DST |
| 06:48.49 | psycho_oreos | o.O I guess must be night time there. |
| 06:48.57 | psycho_oreos | lol hehe DST. |
| 06:49.26 | qwerty123 | My pidgin suddenly started showing, interna; error n den crashed!! Had to uninstall it, and using qutim! Not disappointed , i cn say! :) |
| 06:49.32 | qwerty123 | :-D |
| 06:49.47 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: |
| 06:50.35 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, my N900s are somewhat out of action. I'm sure forums may have answers. |
| 06:50.55 | legendracer_ | thinking of selling this n900....... |
| 06:51.05 | legendracer_ | and get a windows phone |
| 06:51.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | by all means go ahead |
| 06:51.27 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: shifted to android??! |
| 06:51.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | we need all the n900 we can get ;-P |
| 06:51.51 | legendracer_ | that piece is on wall charger. vibrates, usb symbol. screen and noika...then all off...and again same |
| 06:52.13 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: for a second , i ws shocked!! :< |
| 06:52.21 | legendracer_ | putting up for sale... |
| 06:52.22 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: nice one!:-P |
| 06:52.30 | legendracer_ | lol |
| 06:52.43 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, nope. I'm still on maemo/meego platform. My N900s have broken USB sockets. Two of them are in repairs (and I have yet to hear back from the guys that I've sent my N900s for repair), one of them right now (still broken USB socket) I'm charging it from another phone. |
| 06:53.20 | legendracer_ | before my n900 goes kaput it is better to sell. |
| 06:53.37 | legendracer_ | anyone from INDIA here? |
| 06:53.37 | psycho_oreos | legendracer_, at this rate maybe windows phone might be more well suited to you than N900 considering you don't have much of a clue on how N900 exactly works. |
| 06:53.39 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: here in my city too i have issues with repairing of n900 , lack of spares!! |
| 06:53.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, this even applies to eggs |
| 06:53.59 | legendracer_ | yes i agree..i noob with n 900 |
| 06:54.01 | qwerty123 | legendracer_: i am !! Pune !! Where are you from?? |
| 06:54.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | (better sell before kaputt( |
| 06:54.06 | legendracer_ | i dont know anything...masters. |
| 06:54.15 | legendracer_ | kerala |
| 06:54.16 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, yeah spares are somewhat becoming a bit of a problem. |
| 06:54.45 | qwerty123 | legendracer_: tryin to learn isnot bad!! |
| 06:54.49 | legendracer_ | the nearest big nokia service centre is in kochi... |
| 06:54.55 | legendracer_ | there too lack of spares... |
| 06:55.17 | psycho_oreos | nokia won't fix your N900, if you take it to them you're probably going to get some other random phone they have. |
| 06:55.31 | legendracer_ | i learnt for 3 months to start usage...flashed...progressed to CSSU stable....used some freaky apps... |
| 06:55.42 | qwerty123 | legendracer_: psycho_oreos spares are not available wid nokia guys but in smaller shops!! I hadto replacw my brokwn screen once!! |
| 06:55.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | if they want to get shot down, they can try to do this to me ;-) |
| 06:56.46 | qwerty123 | legendracer_: arey bhai, using n900, not flashing!! :P phone is for using, not for flashing.. |
| 06:57.02 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, yeah I've known that fact for sometime now. Hence that's why I've gone to some small (non nokia affiliated) phone repair store. Though you just get slugged with expensive labour costs, some of the parts are still abundant for N900 but not all. |
| 06:57.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | domesheet is rare |
| 06:57.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 06:58.05 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: other way, trick legendracer into selling n900 and use it as spare for al on the forum!! :-P |
| 06:58.13 | legendracer_ | where is psycho from? |
| 06:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and mainboards of course |
| 06:58.25 | legendracer_ | lol qwerty.. |
| 06:58.42 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: usually we dont fry thwm eider!! |
| 06:58.44 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, I was about to say lol, bits and pieces of N900's PCB board are starting to become fairly/very rare. |
| 06:59.02 | legendracer_ | my n900 is just new . i mean nothing worked inside...i flashed once..thats too so tough... |
| 06:59.11 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, lol you can trick him. I'm not going to really push people into selling. |
| 06:59.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: not really, only SoC and BB5 |
| 06:59.29 | psycho_oreos | legendracer_, .au … very far away from you. |
| 06:59.37 | qwerty123 | legendracer_: new?? I has to be used! Mayb new for yu!! |
| 06:59.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | even SoC is not really rare yet |
| 06:59.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can buy in qty 100k at digikey |
| 06:59.55 | legendracer_ | im ready to sell....i will miss 32 gb of space, keyboard + touch, 5 mp camera |
| 07:00.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | BB5 however... :-S |
| 07:00.18 | qwerty123 | legendracer_: pune. Tell me cost! |
| 07:00.24 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, o.O so basically the CPU and I guess some nokia proprietary component (maybe cellular related stuff I guess). |
| 07:00.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | BB5 aka Rapuyama aka modem stuff, yeah |
| 07:01.24 | psycho_oreos | *nods* as I thought, though stuff like eMMC replacement maybe very hard. |
| 07:01.34 | legendracer_ | i bought from my friend.. his dad bought it from US for him. he is student still... he didnt know its capability..so i pushed him to sell it to me at Rs 10000. |
| 07:01.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and actually CPU http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/programmers-development-systems/obsolete-discontinued-part-numbers/2621490?k=omap3430 |
| 07:02.20 | psycho_oreos | Haha "obsolete". |
| 07:02.31 | legendracer_ | i know i wont get 10000 now, but should get something near to that...as this is a rare master phone |
| 07:02.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/integrated-circuits-ics/embedded-microcontroller-or-microprocessor-modules/2556371?k=omap3530 |
| 07:03.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | offers 50EUR |
| 07:03.25 | qwerty123 | Welll, i gt mine fr 9k , 2 yrs back!! |
| 07:04.00 | legendracer_ | 50 euro= almost 4200 INR |
| 07:04.03 | legendracer_ | come on... |
| 07:04.05 | legendracer_ | too low |
| 07:04.11 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: nice price! 4000 at max yu will get! |
| 07:04.14 | psycho_oreos | N900s aren't that noteworthy on resales, you can jack the price up as high as you like but you probably won't get people buying it. These days people are either stuck with android/iOS and/or they aren't interested in pre-historic devices let alone the difficulty in using one. |
| 07:04.52 | legendracer_ | pre historic device...as if we all are cave men |
| 07:04.53 | legendracer_ | lol |
| 07:05.15 | legendracer_ | i know..enquired at a second hand shop...they said max Rs 5500 |
| 07:05.40 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: still, if yu are not hell bent on stocking some of these n900,none is gng to pay about 200 dollars fr used phns!! |
| 07:05.44 | psycho_oreos | If you're using any of the modern day phones, you would see the specifications easily outmatches N900. That's one problem, the other is that N900 is not meant for an average joe. |
| 07:06.14 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, not sure what you meant there. |
| 07:06.49 | legendracer_ | is the damn device charging? vibrates, goes off...then again... |
| 07:06.59 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: sometimes we dont need hardware for performance like symbian!! Best phone for phone functions!! :P |
| 07:07.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://de.farnell.com/jsp/search/results.jsp?N=0&Ntk=partnumbers&Ntt=OMAP3530ECUS72&Ntx=mode+matchall&ref=lookahead |
| 07:07.34 | legendracer_ | best phone functions? how yar? |
| 07:07.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://de.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=2008+202735&Ntk=gensearch&Ntt=OMAP3530&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial |
| 07:07.51 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, I'm talking about the handheld market in general. In other words, selling N900 for instance is mainly targeting a very niche set of people. |
| 07:07.54 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: in short, dollar 200 is high for a used n900 |
| 07:08.37 | legendracer_ | i asked 130 dollars |
| 07:08.38 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, for a third hand, and also maybe a three year old device. Then there's that issue with understanding how the device works. |
| 07:08.38 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: obviously that is!! N it is done beautifully by selling it on the forum!! :P |
| 07:09.09 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, heh maybe, though best ask the person in question here not me. |
| 07:09.09 | qwerty123 | legendracer_: aahhhh! Yeah ruppee fell .... Sorry , my bad!! |
| 07:09.27 | legendracer_ | 130 dollars???is it high/ |
| 07:09.45 | psycho_oreos | legendracer_, fyi some N900 was sold on the forum for around USD$100, that was including a whole bunch of accessories if I'm not mistaken. |
| 07:10.03 | psycho_oreos | There's a buy and sell thread on the maemo forums. |
| 07:10.24 | qwerty123 | Yep yep !!! Dat is appprox 6000 ( new xchange rate) |
| 07:11.04 | psycho_oreos | Besides, there's no pictures of your N900 that you are selling and/or what accessories you are including. Nobody here would be that dumb to pay a high price for a device that may have gone through some rough patches. |
| 07:12.16 | qwerty123 | And atlst not in a working state as of now! |
| 07:12.31 | qwerty123 | =-O |
| 07:13.03 | psycho_oreos | Yeah, some guy bought this other N900 for around USD$60 for N900 with a lock code that the owner forgotten what it was. |
| 07:13.55 | legendracer_ | even i didnt have lock code...maemo helped to reset it, easily. |
| 07:14.16 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: same here.. I couldnot figure out my lock code in last two years!! |
| 07:14.25 | legendracer_ | the phone is of course in good condition...no other accessries |
| 07:14.35 | legendracer_ | lock code can be reset so easily.. |
| 07:14.39 | legendracer_ | i did it... |
| 07:14.49 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: and it could not be reset by the methods mentioned in threads! |
| 07:14.56 | psycho_oreos | FYI, you're selling the device as it is with the boot loop. That could easily be equated to low sell price target because you're going to give the subsequent owner grief for having to try and rescue the device back. |
| 07:15.12 | legendracer_ | give me sometime...i will make this phone cool |
| 07:15.17 | legendracer_ | it will work properly... |
| 07:15.30 | legendracer_ | i only connected it now and it went bad.. |
| 07:15.42 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, there's ways around it in theory but it's not easy. |
| 07:16.08 | legendracer_ | i will reflash, put latest CSSU stable which it already had. |
| 07:16.17 | kerio | well it's kinda easy |
| 07:16.38 | legendracer_ | so when i make it fine anyone willing to buy it? |
| 07:16.41 | psycho_oreos | legendracer_, regardless of what you do to your N900, you won't be able to achieve your desired price. People would still want to bargain and would want photos of your N900 for verification, etc. |
| 07:16.49 | legendracer_ | ok... |
| 07:16.59 | legendracer_ | photos will poted in my ad in buy sell thread.. |
| 07:17.01 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: whats d other way??!! |
| 07:17.38 | qwerty123 | The command mentioned simply returns nothing!! No hash to crack!! |
| 07:18.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | you did it wrong |
| 07:18.24 | psycho_oreos | ^ |
| 07:19.31 | psycho_oreos | Whilst your N900 is not showing the lock code, you have much more success at cracking it then when the lock code is shown upon boot up. |
| 07:19.51 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: nope!! There is one more query in thread with same problem but no solution to it was posted. |
| 07:20.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | the solution been posted before and was not followed |
| 07:20.49 | legendracer_ | i guess all asking for forgotten lock code were helped.. |
| 07:20.51 | psycho_oreos | If I remember correctly the lock code is stored on one of the /dev/mtd. Probably /dev/mtd3, if you ran the manual way of enumerating the salted lock code you can easily bruteforce it. |
| 07:20.52 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: checking again !! |
| 07:20.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have a very hard time believing that the lockcode hash in CAL been garbled |
| 07:21.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's way more easy and plausible to think that user did a mistake, or used gnu grep instead of busybox grep |
| 07:22.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | a) you need to be ROOT |
| 07:22.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | b) you must use busybox grep since real grep fails |
| 07:22.59 | legendracer_ | i think i need to get a new pc. |
| 07:23.02 | legendracer_ | is it/ |
| 07:23.50 | qwerty123 | BusyBox v1.21.0 (Debian 1.21.0power2+thumb1) built-in shell (ash) |
| 07:23.53 | qwerty123 | Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. |
| 07:23.59 | qwerty123 | Nokia-N900:~# echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): |
| 07:24.02 | qwerty123 | root:: |
| 07:24.05 | qwerty123 | Nokia-N900:~# |
| 07:24.23 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: |
| 07:24.26 | qwerty123 | Code posted on forum! |
| 07:24.31 | psycho_oreos | Did you try running that grep -A command manually with the pipe and all? |
| 07:24.43 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808 |
| 07:24.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | this doesn't tell me anyrhing, since grep still can be gnugrep |
| 07:26.35 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: gnugrep should be ggrep!! I think everything that comes wid gnu , has to be usd with extra g in front of command! |
| 07:27.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw BusyBox v1.21.0 (Debian 1.21.0power2+thumb1) ??? |
| 07:27.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you think wrong, there are other ways |
| 07:27.33 | qwerty123 | Yep |
| 07:27.44 | legendracer_ | how to delete the connectivity driver in pc? |
| 07:27.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/etc/init.d# grep --version |
| 07:27.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | GNU grep 2.5.4 |
| 07:27.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc. |
| 07:28.20 | psycho_oreos | You can easily see which grep you are using by parsing 'which grep'. |
| 07:28.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso31+0cssu0) built-in shell (ash) here!!! |
| 07:28.29 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: precise!! :P |
| 07:28.48 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: updated busybox?? |
| 07:28.57 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: wait trying! |
| 07:28.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | me??? no |
| 07:29.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | you |
| 07:29.03 | psycho_oreos | GNU grep is installed under /usr/bin/gnu/grep and the busybox's version of grep resides in /bin/grep (which obviously is a symlink). |
| 07:29.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/etc/init.d# echo $PATH |
| 07:29.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 07:29.59 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: kia-N900:~# which grep |
| 07:30.02 | qwerty123 | /bin/grep |
| 07:30.35 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, did you try running this command instead? 'grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1' |
| 07:30.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, you got a wrong busybox version, most likely "improved" or power-boosted and thus not working |
| 07:31.55 | psycho_oreos | Yeah he's got the busybox-power. |
| 07:32.02 | qwerty123 | same code psycho_oreos: |
| 07:32.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | even looks damn like busybox-power |
| 07:32.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | which has "bugfixes" which break stuff like this |
| 07:32.22 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, same code? as in nothing? |
| 07:32.40 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: den downgrade it maybe?? Or upgrade it?? |
| 07:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc, I dispise busybox-power |
| 07:33.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | never touched it |
| 07:33.24 | qwerty123 | Nokia-N900:~# grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1 |
| 07:33.29 | qwerty123 | Nokia-N900:~# |
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| 07:33.42 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: |
| 07:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously busybox-power grep fails just like gnugrep |
| 07:33.59 | psycho_oreos | I have busybox-power installed (Debian 1.21.1power1+thumb0), no issues here. |
| 07:34.22 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, ls -l /bin/grep |
| 07:34.23 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: |
| 07:34.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | grep --version |
| 07:34.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | GOD! |
| 07:35.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l `which grep` |
| 07:36.07 | qwerty123 | ia-N900:~# ls -l `which grep` |
| 07:36.10 | qwerty123 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Aug 5 00:20 /bin/grep -> busybox |
| 07:36.13 | qwerty123 | Nokia-N900:~# |
| 07:36.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry i'm grumpy |
| 07:36.16 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: |
| 07:36.19 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: |
| 07:36.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l `which busybox` |
| 07:37.40 | qwerty123 | ia-N900:~# ls -l `which busybox` |
| 07:37.42 | qwerty123 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 614004 Aug 5 04:22 /bin/busybox |
| 07:37.45 | qwerty123 | Nokia-N900:~# |
| 07:37.48 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: |
| 07:38.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 355592 2012-08-24 19:20 /bin/busybox |
| 07:38.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | any questions, Watson? |
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| 07:40.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox |
| 07:40.13 | infobot | i guess messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 07:40.16 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: that ls -l for your busybox?! |
| 07:40.21 | legendracer | restarted after removing nokia and drivers from control panel |
| 07:40.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, obviously |
| 07:41.16 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, differences in size and mdate. That is expected with busybox-power installation. |
| 07:42.29 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: now what?? Should i upgrade it?? |
| 07:42.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | there obviously been a "bug" in original busybox that got "fixed" in busybox-power, since my gnugrep behaves exactly same way |
| 07:42.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | UPGRADE? |
| 07:43.02 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, it would be downgrade not upgrade. |
| 07:43.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no idea, but for sure an *upgrade* won't help |
| 07:43.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should maybe get original busybox and discard bp-power |
| 07:44.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and don't ask me how! I told you I don't touch bpp |
| 07:44.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | since: |
| 07:44.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox |
| 07:44.20 | infobot | hmm... messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 07:44.34 | psycho_oreos | I've found out another way without it. qwerty123 you need strings installed to make this work: |
| 07:44.52 | legendracer | white background.. device malfunction....device shut down |
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| 07:44.53 | psycho_oreos | strings /dev/mtd1 | grep -A 1 lock_code | tail -1 |
| 07:45.10 | legendracer | pc shows...driver was installed sucessfully |
| 07:45.21 | legendracer | sorry...driver not installed |
| 07:45.22 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: whats the way??! |
| 07:45.30 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, read up ^ |
| 07:45.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, works |
| 07:45.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# strings /dev/mtd1 | grep -A 1 lock_code | tail -1 |
| 07:45.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ngF.t4AsdNocs |
| 07:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# busybox grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1 |
| 07:45.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ngF.t4AsdNocs |
| 07:46.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I wouldn't be surprised if strings also in bpp |
| 07:46.39 | psycho_oreos | So you could put that entire thing into eval() which should output into a string that maybe john can crack. |
| 07:46.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
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| 07:47.03 | legendracer | any idea what to do next? |
| 07:47.03 | psycho_oreos | Nah mine is part of GNU. /usr/bin/gnu/strings |
| 07:47.03 | qwerty123 | Yepp!!psycho_oreos thanks!!! |
| 07:47.21 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: please put it in thread too!! |
| 07:47.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAHA!!!! |
| 07:47.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | good I didn't suggest it ;-P |
| 07:47.48 | psycho_oreos | echo root:$(strings /dev/mtd1 | grep -A 1 lock_code | tail -1): |
| 07:48.07 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, which thread? |
| 07:48.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lockcode |
| 07:48.18 | infobot | somebody said lockcode was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 |
| 07:48.27 | psycho_oreos | Ahh cheers. |
| 07:48.34 | qwerty123 | gnu?? [Sadly] mine is in bpp!!psycho_oreos: |
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| 07:49.25 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, ahh well nice that it works then. Mine is part of GNU package. |
| 07:49.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, my mistake: it's obviously bbp, not bpp |
| 07:50.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-10-27 08:46:29] <DocScrutinizer05> but I wouldn't be surprised if strings also in bpp ;-P |
| 07:50.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and to me it's not clear yet IF it works for him |
| 07:51.56 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: it does !! :P atleast bbp isnt that bad!! :-P |
| 07:52.30 | qwerty123 | ia-N900:~# strings /dev/mtd1 | grep -A 1 lock_code | tail -1 |
| 07:52.33 | qwerty123 | ClFo8D.m7/v1U |
| 07:52.36 | qwerty123 | Nokia-N900:~# which strings |
| 07:52.39 | qwerty123 | /usr/bin/strings |
| 07:52.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually it's more than bad, since strings should be a special parameter set to a grep invocation |
| 07:53.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks good |
| 07:53.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the 1. half |
| 07:53.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# strings --version |
| 07:53.42 | psycho_oreos | Regardless, strings is used to output whatever printable ASCII characters of a file (or device, etc) out. |
| 07:53.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | GNU strings (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.18.50.20070820 |
| 07:54.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, easily a grep |
| 07:54.04 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: i still dont get whats the difference between both the greps??! |
| 07:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh me neither |
| 07:54.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | the standard grep seems to have difficulties with non-printable chars |
| 07:54.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | "difficulties" |
| 07:55.12 | psycho_oreos | One of them I think compares literally the contents whilst the other checks first to see if the input file is a binary or not. If it's a binary it'll do binary search (which does not work in this case obviously). |
| 07:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | the plain grep obviously doesn't find the string |
| 07:55.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 07:55.40 | psycho_oreos | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1382651#post1382651 |
| 07:55.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | what psycho_oreos said |
| 07:56.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I tried with --input=ascii or whatever parameters and that doesn't help |
| 07:56.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1 |
| 07:56.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Übereinstimmungen in Binärdatei /dev/mtd1. |
| 07:57.04 | psycho_oreos | Yeah I guess there's a difference on the source code. |
| 07:57.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | it refuses to print the found match |
| 07:57.18 | psycho_oreos | s/on/in/ |
| 07:57.19 | qwerty123 | ? |
| 07:58.02 | psycho_oreos | I think one just checks if binary file or not. If it's binary it might just do binary search and output if it matches with what the user wanted or not. It doesn't do literal searches and print the exact output that it sees. |
| 07:58.16 | psycho_oreos | Though that is just my rough guess. |
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| 07:58.51 | qwerty123 | (psycho_oreos mayb!! |
| 07:59.09 | qwerty123 | Thanks !!! For the solution!! :) |
| 07:59.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | even `grep --binary-files=text -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1` fails |
| 07:59.46 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, all it took was a bit of 'out of the box' thinking. :p but no worries. |
| 08:00.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | prints a lot of gibberish (ninprintable chars) but no decent hashcode |
| 08:00.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: and my hint regarding bpp, eh? |
| 08:01.39 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, maybe lol. Whilst you were telling him to change I was busy looking into alternatives already. :D |
| 08:02.20 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: :-)DocScrutinizer05 thank yu too!! :-) |
| 08:02.50 | psycho_oreos | I largely had to thank my N900 which I had to boot up, without my N900s here I couldn't do anything except speculate. |
| 08:03.36 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, there might be a way with that 'ugly grep'. I just hadn't thought of a better solution, more so is that I'm more than happy to settle on a 'hack'. :D |
| 08:03.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | rrright |
| 08:03.53 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: well, can yu help me with fonts? |
| 08:04.11 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, I don't have any clue with that. |
| 08:06.43 | legendracer | i just got the problem...i have to install the driver through libusb...now when i try it shows n 900 storage mode and not update mode...the phone in mean time goes on and off...usb symbol comes and goes |
| 08:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha, now I see what all that grep stuff actually does, resp how CAL works |
| 08:08.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | legendracer: windows? |
| 08:11.32 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: win7 64bits |
| 08:12.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: this explains why strings works that great, it doesn't print out all that illegible binary crap - otoh it will fail when that binary crap contains another "string" between the matchpattern ("lockcode") and the hash |
| 08:12.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwerty123: this will most likely fail epically |
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| 08:13.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall we told you yesterday already |
| 08:13.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-10-26 15:27:40] <sixwheeledbeast> rajkonni: I doubt Windows 7 64bit will work for the flasher http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Issues_with_64-bit_Windows_and_Workarounds |
| 08:14.22 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: that shud b for legendracer |
| 08:14.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | 18h ago, dunno if you're rajkonni |
| 08:14.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 08:14.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | whoever |
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| 08:16.26 | legendracer | done |
| 08:16.27 | legendracer | success |
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| 08:16.58 | qwerty123 | legendracer: still n900 on sale??:-P |
| 08:17.15 | qwerty123 | legendracer: what ws the error??! |
| 08:18.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Option_4 |
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| 08:18.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | moin Pali |
| 08:20.12 | Pali | hi |
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| 08:20.45 | legendracer | lol qwerty |
| 08:20.48 | legendracer | this is n900 |
| 08:21.02 | legendracer | all fine ..let me make it CSSU stable |
| 08:21.40 | qwerty123 | legendracer: :-) go ahead!! |
| 08:22.15 | qwerty123 | DocScrutinizer05: hey and is there any way to use rarp on n900?? |
| 08:23.26 | legendracer | surely on sale.... price plz.. |
| 08:23.34 | legendracer | im looking at lumia |
| 08:23.44 | legendracer | i need trapster app badly. |
| 08:23.49 | legendracer | n 900 does not have it |
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| 08:26.11 | qwerty123 | legendracer: trapster?? Whats that??!! |
| 08:26.26 | legendracer | so again from scratch....got to remove nokia hands....other custom things....apps....oh a lot to do.... |
| 08:26.47 | legendracer | trapster???dont know??? thats only in android and windows.... |
| 08:27.15 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: and is there a way to install gv pdf directly on n900 other than easydebian?? |
| 08:27.38 | qwerty123 | legendracer: what does that do??!! |
| 08:28.45 | psycho_oreos | Back, hmm DocScrutinizer05 not sure but I'd say that would be the case. Though if and when that happens maybe sed can help :D |
| 08:28.57 | legendracer | can tell all the speed trap cams installed by cops on our road sides |
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| 08:29.45 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, maybe repack it from easy debian and put it onto maemo? Though I don't expect that would would end beautifully, besides all the dependencies that are missing needs to be filled. |
| 08:29.46 | qwerty123 | legendracer: hahaha!! In india we usually dnt hav speed cams!! :P |
| 08:30.45 | legendracer | full in kerala....come here once.... |
| 08:30.51 | legendracer | hectic to drive/ ride |
| 08:31.03 | legendracer | and im a automotive psyhc |
| 08:31.21 | legendracer | so tough to keep below 70 and 50 km/hr |
| 08:31.27 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: yeah, just the size of buttons in this easydeb version is very small fr my thick thumb!! Gv is one f the smoothest pdf viewer!! |
| 08:32.08 | qwerty123 | legendracer: hahaha!! 70 is d limit??! |
| 08:32.34 | legendracer | yes man...struggling/... |
| 08:32.36 | qwerty123 | Pune - no limits till yu smash into someone!! :P |
| 08:32.49 | legendracer | so who wants the N900? |
| 08:32.51 | psycho_oreos | Speed traps generally requires one to also input whereabouts. It doesn't take much for some random bored kid to litter speed traps everywhere on the map and when you happen to go to that place, there's no speed trap. Even worse, none reported leaving you get caught for speeding. There's no app that can rescue you, therefore there's no need to heavily rely on it. |
| 08:32.58 | legendracer | gonna have lunch |
| 08:33.33 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, in that case I generally use the provided stylus if my fingers aren't small enough to press the buttons. :)) |
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| 08:34.20 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: android audience! :P trapster, wechat etc etc!! :P |
| 08:34.58 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: same here!! Ws just thinking of makin it easier, no stylus only!! :-P |
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| 08:35.25 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, I thought he was talking about windows mobile. lumia is a windows powered phone not android powered. |
| 08:35.57 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, There isn't much you can do unless you are quite handy at hacking away on things (kinda like me I suppose). |
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| 08:37.21 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: i know!! But android n audience both start from 'a' so said that!! Android still better than windows though!! |
| 08:37.30 | psycho_oreos | is reminded of a theme used by social engineers,"There is no patch for human stupidity." Then thinks back to why people would need things to tell them where speed traps are. |
| 08:38.15 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: yeah !! Repacking n all, not in my knowledge!! May take sometime to learn!! |
| 08:38.19 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, I'd say better would depend on tastes, not that I would back windows phone OS in anyway shape or form. |
| 08:39.16 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, regardless it'll be interesting if you do it. Something to learn and in which you gain experience so that you can probably pass it on to any inquirers wanting to know how to do it. |
| 08:40.53 | psycho_oreos | Speaking of android, it is technically possible to run android on N900. Though it won't be called android on N900 and there's a couple of other issues with that idea. |
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| 08:42.08 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: waiting for sometime off then will do it surely!! :) |
| 08:42.28 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, do what? repacking the debs? |
| 08:42.32 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: yeah microphone n apn gprs issue!!! |
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| 08:43.13 | psycho_oreos | There's more issues than just those that you mentioned for nitdroid. |
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| 08:45.18 | qwerty123 | Well for basic usage i meant! |
| 08:46.00 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: but android wid easy debian like chroot is good i suppose!! |
| 08:47.06 | qwerty123 | > qwerty123 (14:16:00) |
| 08:47.09 | qwerty123 | > psycho_oreos: but android wid easy debian like chroot is good i suppose!! |
| 08:47.13 | qwerty123 | > qwerty123 (14:16:00) |
| 08:47.15 | qwerty123 | > psycho_oreos: but android wid easy debian like chroot is good i suppose!! |
| 08:47.32 | psycho_oreos | The stuff that I'm thinking of also mainly targets basic usage as well. Namely the issues are for instance is that one is going to run a very old version of android (nitdroid) and secondly, it is somewhat expected of nitdroid users to be fairly formidable with android and linux in general. |
| 08:48.23 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: icecream sandwich was the last port!! |
| 08:48.47 | psycho_oreos | I don't think it's doable, running android in the same manner as easy debian chroot. Besides, there's going to be severe resource starvation if android was to run along with maemo. |
| 08:49.04 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, it's still somewhat old. |
| 08:50.17 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: nope, i meant on android, running easybedian!! |
| 08:50.56 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, oh, android and easydebian on another device/phone. Well that explains it. :p |
| 08:52.13 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: i think there is ubuntu chroot and even injection drivers for android!! |
| 08:54.26 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, I doubt the injection drivers would be the one that uses the hardware (chipset) embedded on the android device itself. Most wireless packet injections for android devices has been doable with USB host mode and then using the injection driver suited to that USB chipset. |
| 08:54.49 | psycho_oreos | Anyway, that is sort of getting offtopic, android discussion that is. |
| 08:57.14 | qwerty123 | psycho_oreos: it is!!! |
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| 09:04.01 | sixwheeledbeast | is please with himself that he got an extra hour sleeping :) |
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| 09:12.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: >>There's no app that can rescue you,<< sure there is: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91182 |
| 09:12.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 09:12.56 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, I meant an app to rescue you from speeding and getting a ticket/fine or worse lol. |
| 09:13.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | do THAT on android! (well, probably you even *could*, given somebody would port all the tools) |
| 09:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: yeah sure, me meant the same |
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| 09:13.51 | psycho_oreos | Of a different sort.. lol |
| 09:13.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course the app I pointed to won't help for light gap traps |
| 09:14.37 | psycho_oreos | has no clue what weaknesses there are with SDR stuff. Let alone all the buzz around SDR. |
| 09:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | also I don't know how many of the speed trap radars operate on frequencies >2GHz |
| 09:15.25 | psycho_oreos | I thought speed traps are usually manned.. i.e. mostly done by hand. |
| 09:15.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, how does that change anything? |
| 09:16.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | you still can detect the radar RF |
| 09:16.21 | psycho_oreos | I don't think using SDR for instance would let you see where the speed traps are placed. |
| 09:16.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it's in the range where the rtl-sdr operates |
| 09:16.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 09:16.50 | psycho_oreos | Yeah that's true, only if they operate on certain bands. |
| 09:17.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | it will warn you a few 100m ahead of the "dangerous" range |
| 09:17.59 | psycho_oreos | Maybe, though one still has to manually filter all those other noise out as well. |
| 09:18.50 | psycho_oreos | Effectively it needs lots of manual tuning.. basically trial-and-error. Maybe after a few speeding tickets one learns how to finally extract the signature of radar used by speed traps? :> |
| 09:18.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, you need to tune it to the well defined known frequency where the radar transmits, then set squelch so that it usually is silenced |
| 09:19.31 | bindi | huh, n900 as a radar detector? =D |
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| 09:19.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, with a rtl2832 USB SDR stick |
| 09:20.09 | psycho_oreos | Only if radars are using in a band that SDR can pick up. |
| 09:20.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | see the link I posted above |
| 09:20.21 | bindi | doesn't that give out anything that radar detector detectors can see? |
| 09:20.27 | psycho_oreos | doesn't quite know how radar would work on gigahertz bands. |
| 09:21.37 | psycho_oreos | Also I thought the SDR project is using the chipset as a listener. In wireless technology, a listening device doesn't transmit anything, therefore it cannot bounce signals back and forth to get an actual reading. |
| 09:22.08 | bindi | sure but there are radar detectors that can be busted with a radar detector detector |
| 09:22.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radarwarnanlage#Radarwarner_im_Stra.C3.9Fenverkehr |
| 09:22.43 | bindi | I don't speak german :( |
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| 09:23.13 | sixwheeledbeast | The only way to not get a speeding ticket is don't speed.... |
| 09:23.26 | psycho_oreos | ^ |
| 09:23.32 | bindi | i got all speed cams on my phone :p |
| 09:23.39 | sixwheeledbeast | wrong |
| 09:23.57 | sixwheeledbeast | mobile units can move |
| 09:24.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_warning_receiver |
| 09:24.07 | psycho_oreos | Fixed speed cameras can be easily tagged but remote speed cameras? hah! depends on lots of factors. |
| 09:25.00 | bindi | police cars in finland have speed radars too but they're not always on |
| 09:25.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_detection_radar |
| 09:26.09 | bindi | also if the cops see you have a radar detector, they can confiscate it and give you a fine |
| 09:26.17 | bindi | not can, they will |
| 09:26.26 | psycho_oreos | Police cars in Australia are not supposed to have speed radars on whilst driving because the readings of an oncoming speeding/normal car may be inaccurate. Though radar vehicles are dime-a-dozen in various shapes and sizes. |
| 09:26.55 | psycho_oreos | Yeah I'm sure radar detectors are illegal worldwide.. well in general. |
| 09:27.02 | bindi | not in the US |
| 09:27.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL >>since detector-detectors use a similar superheterodyne receiver, many early "stealth" radar detectors were equipped with a radar-detector-detector-detector circuit, which shuts down the main radar receiver when the detector-detector's signal is sensed, thus preventing detection by such equipment.<< |
| 09:28.01 | bindi | deep |
| 09:28.07 | psycho_oreos | o.O interesting.. anyway it's also illegal here (in Australia) the radar detectors. |
| 09:29.01 | sixwheeledbeast | not illegal here however there are so many false positives they are not worth using. |
| 09:29.27 | bindi | escort redline is a good radar detector apparently |
| 09:31.07 | sixwheeledbeast | there are so many things using similar bands that real radar signals are hidden. |
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| 09:33.41 | psycho_oreos | ^ that is also why I'm doubting SDR would be of any use. |
| 09:34.16 | psycho_oreos | I guess ymmv. Each country has their own regulations and usages. |
| 09:38.05 | sixwheeledbeast | traffic lights, shop door openers even phone masts seems to trigger power to "Max". Whereas a real fixed truvelo speed trap will trigger to "2" if you are 10m away. |
| 09:39.48 | sixwheeledbeast | Even then it may only have a detector unit inside and not a camera unit. To scare people for 14 days. |
| 09:40.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | SDR is Software Defined Radio, a technology. the RTL2823 is designed for DVB-T and operates in a range of 50 to 2000MHz, aka L-band. All radars of speed traps operate in Ku,K,Ka band or X band |
| 09:40.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus 8000 to 40000MHz |
| 09:41.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you probably could abuse a sat LNB |
| 09:41.50 | sixwheeledbeast | doh meant gatso not truvelo, truvelo are undetectable. |
| 09:41.52 | psycho_oreos | Red light cameras deployed here are also used as a scarecrow tactic as well. Not all red light cameras have actual camera sitting inside the box. Yet it's there to scare drivers who deliberately runs against red light. Other times you will see them servicing the red light camera. Though here, I've heard most red light cameras have also been fitted with speed detectors and will still photograph speeders apart from those running against red lights. |
| 09:43.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | THF LOL, Tremendously High Frequency |
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| 09:44.31 | sixwheeledbeast | This dual purpose camera is becoming more common here too and are normally truvelos |
| 09:46.11 | psycho_oreos | I guess if anyone is seriously wanting to outrun against radars, they should probably look at the tactics the Japanese people are trying out. Afterall it seems their ideas are somewhat quite effective. |
| 09:46.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf truvelo? |
| 09:47.10 | psycho_oreos | Probably some brand of radar detector I suppose. |
| 09:48.12 | ShadowJK | Speed cameras here don't use radar |
| 09:48.33 | ShadowJK | The ratio of camera housings vs cameras is like 10:1 also :) |
| 09:49.07 | bindi | stationary speed cams use induction |
| 09:49.28 | psycho_oreos | Induction? |
| 09:49.34 | legendracer | stationary cams have a strip across road |
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| 09:49.42 | legendracer | when front wheel crossed it snaps |
| 09:50.24 | psycho_oreos | Not all stationary cams here have strips across the road. Though I've seen also stationary speed cams on the highway has strips on the road along with signs warning you there's speed camera ahead. |
| 09:50.46 | legendracer | in india no warning |
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| 09:51.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | induction: huge coil embedded in street's surface, works like a metal detector |
| 09:51.10 | psycho_oreos | To be frank, stationary speed cameras I don't see the effort in worrying about. Remote speed cameras are more annoying. |
| 09:51.18 | psycho_oreos | Ahh! thanks DocScrutinizer05 |
| 09:51.36 | ShadowJK | Oh yeah, sweden and finland has signs warning of speed cameras.. but they're of course somewhat generic and several km away from cameras :) |
| 09:51.53 | psycho_oreos | Fixed ones? |
| 09:51.58 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 09:52.15 | legendracer | nice gov..here they want to cheat us |
| 09:52.16 | ShadowJK | They're plotting to change from induction loops to register plate recognition instead |
| 09:52.25 | legendracer | so trapster is a help |
| 09:52.58 | psycho_oreos | *nod*. Somewhat similar here as well but it also applies to remote speed cameras.. even worse is that there's no actual speed cameras set along or around where the signs are placed. Apart from that fixed speed cameras on the highway are usually labelled clearly as it is. |
| 09:53.36 | psycho_oreos | The government isn't trying to cheat you, it's those who are concerned about getting involved in some serious car accident. |
| 09:54.02 | ShadowJK | The numberplate ocr will be interesting, you'll need numberplate concealer or swapper to defeat those :) |
| 09:54.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: o.O why that? |
| 09:54.18 | psycho_oreos | The message the cops around here constantly says that the last thing a worried parent wants to hear is some cop knocking on their door and telling them their sons/daughters are dead. |
| 09:54.20 | legendracer | roads here are pathetic man...and those rare good roads got cams with no warnings |
| 09:54.33 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; two cameras spot same car, cameras fixed distance in between, calculate average speed. |
| 09:54.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah that shit |
| 09:54.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 09:55.19 | psycho_oreos | ShadowJK, haha we also have that here as well.. |
| 09:55.24 | sixwheeledbeast | Yep strips in the road surface at set distance, easy addon to a red light cam |
| 09:56.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, they shoot twice |
| 09:56.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | so they get the speed |
| 09:56.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | same here |
| 09:56.34 | psycho_oreos | Same. |
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| 09:56.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | though it's used to distinguish between those who really cross the road and those who simply stop 2m late |
| 09:57.41 | sixwheeledbeast | also SPEC's are average distance cameras that use number plate recognition, becoming ever popular on long sections of road. |
| 09:57.56 | sixwheeledbeast | 2m late is still an offence |
| 09:58.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 09:58.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | but different, at least here |
| 09:58.18 | legendracer | hi sixwheel |
| 09:58.23 | legendracer | how are you? |
| 09:58.26 | psycho_oreos | There's also even cases of where people are speeding within suburban areas (normally occupied by people's houses), there's a state (SA) which supposedly allows one to catch speedsters via a wheelie bin mounted camera. The camera sits inside the wheelie bin and wheelie bin sits on the kerb with a square hole in it to allow the camera to take photos of speedsters. |
| 09:58.36 | sixwheeledbeast | o/ k youself? |
| 09:59.02 | legendracer | fine,,,that touch screen isnt fine still |
| 09:59.07 | legendracer | flashed.... |
| 09:59.15 | legendracer | updated to cssu stable... |
| 09:59.34 | legendracer | some posts say it can be due to ribbon, or whole touch system... |
| 09:59.37 | legendracer | worried.... |
| 09:59.59 | legendracer | but the funny thing is everything gets okay after few hours...how? |
| 10:00.11 | sixwheeledbeast | yep as we suspected yesterday it's possibly digitizer or main ribbon. |
| 10:00.15 | legendracer | hey DOC |
| 10:00.30 | legendracer | digitizer or ribbon? |
| 10:00.38 | sixwheeledbeast | main ribbon movement if a small break in it. |
| 10:00.45 | sixwheeledbeast | ~fixribbon |
| 10:00.45 | infobot | somebody said fixribbon was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1324171#post1324171 |
| 10:00.52 | legendracer | i dont have tools to open. |
| 10:01.18 | legendracer | is it different from front cmera ribbon? |
| 10:01.34 | sixwheeledbeast | front camera is part of the main ribbon |
| 10:02.03 | sixwheeledbeast | see link above |
| 10:02.32 | legendracer | i meant is the ribbon same for slide and front camera as well?> |
| 10:03.07 | legendracer | is slide strip, front camera controller and this touch screen ribbon same? |
| 10:03.24 | legendracer | doc.... |
| 10:04.03 | legendracer | simply flashed....wasted a whole sunday behind N900....HAD PLANNED TO DETAIL MY CAR WITH WAX.....damn..missed it |
| 10:07.35 | sixwheeledbeast | as you can see the main ribbon is a connector to the main board and front display unit, prox, light sensor, notification LED and front camera unit only. |
| 10:11.34 | sixwheeledbeast | speed camera detector "detecting" a real gatso camera >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4wDOg9clZM This is a basic model detector and positioned on the dash incorrectly BTW |
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| 10:13.24 | zamn900 | hello all |
| 10:13.47 | sixwheeledbeast | goes looking for his now boxed detector. |
| 10:14.20 | zamn900 | I programmed the timer in alarmed to close modest with killall modest... did not work |
| 10:15.20 | zamn900 | how to close it... not found a way in modest --help-all |
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| 10:21.14 | legendracer | updating the apps, after flashing.... |
| 10:21.20 | legendracer | 350 mb.... |
| 10:21.45 | legendracer | i think all i need is a screw driver to open up replace the ribbon |
| 10:22.18 | sixwheeledbeast | screwdriver and the ribbon, if that's the issue |
| 10:23.08 | sixwheeledbeast | killall is not the best way to close anything, but especially not modest |
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| 10:27.57 | legendracer | so you not sure if its the ribbon for me? |
| 10:28.22 | legendracer | but i think i have told about my front cam...i tried mirror app...not working |
| 10:28.26 | legendracer | blank screen |
| 10:28.44 | legendracer | on skype call i can see others but they cant see me... |
| 10:29.00 | legendracer | so my front cam is also down...that was from 1st day. |
| 10:29.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | zamn900: you can't simply close modest |
| 10:30.35 | sixwheeledbeast | ah well a betting man would say main ribbon, however I am not a betting man. ;) |
| 10:30.46 | sixwheeledbeast | I am thinking there is a DBus call to close modest gtk gui? |
| 10:30.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | legendracer: so THAT (cam) pretty much suggeats it's actually the flex |
| 10:31.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | close UI doesn't terminate the process |
| 10:31.43 | legendracer | if my ribbon was ok then with mirror app it should have opened..isnt/ |
| 10:31.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 10:31.58 | sixwheeledbeast | I am still thinking why ~xy |
| 10:32.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically that's asane assumption |
| 10:32.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: re modest? yup |
| 10:32.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | xy |
| 10:32.37 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
| 10:32.47 | legendracer | e bay ribbon or nokia care? |
| 10:32.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ebay |
| 10:32.58 | sixwheeledbeast | warranty? |
| 10:33.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | forget it |
| 10:33.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless your device still has waranty |
| 10:33.23 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
| 10:33.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia actually might be able to fix flex |
| 10:33.34 | legendracer | warranty...no way... |
| 10:33.41 | sixwheeledbeast | bay then |
| 10:33.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | 8 bucks |
| 10:33.57 | legendracer | should i risk changing it myself? what if i break/> |
| 10:34.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | beware of the 5 bucks one, it has FAKE CAMERA |
| 10:34.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you need to ask, you probably shouldn't |
| 10:34.46 | legendracer | will the nokia care do the job and make my front cam work? |
| 10:34.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | see |
| 10:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~schametics |
| 10:34.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~schematics |
| 10:35.00 | infobot | i guess schematics is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic |
| 10:35.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | get L1_L2 |
| 10:35.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | get flex PCB |
| 10:35.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | take L1_L2, flex, and N900 to a repair shop, or to a friend who's good at electronic repair |
| 10:36.05 | sixwheeledbeast | if you follow ~fixribbon it's not to hard. Hardest part is getting the screws out |
| 10:36.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | legendracer: (Nokia) dunno, you need to ask them to make sure |
| 10:36.23 | legendracer | ya..thats what if i break them? im dead |
| 10:36.39 | legendracer | i will meke a call to them.. |
| 10:36.50 | legendracer | but to check if my digitizer is ok? |
| 10:37.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: definitely disagree - hardest part is to plug in the flex to main PCB without damaging anything |
| 10:37.37 | legendracer | can you please tell whats this L1 L2? |
| 10:37.37 | sixwheeledbeast | that's patience not difficultly IMO |
| 10:37.50 | legendracer | thats skill |
| 10:37.54 | sixwheeledbeast | see ~schematics |
| 10:38.03 | legendracer | which only few can have with patience |
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| 10:38.35 | legendracer | L1 L2? |
| 10:39.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | DAMN! SEE ^^^^ |
| 10:39.31 | legendracer | L1 L2 means manuals? |
| 10:39.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-10-27 11:34:48] <DocScrutinizer05> see |
| 10:39.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-10-27 11:34:59] <DocScrutinizer05> ~schematics |
| 10:39.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-10-27 11:35:00] <infobot> i guess schematics is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic |
| 10:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-10-27 11:35:07] <DocScrutinizer05> get L1_L2 |
| 10:39.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | [ |
| 10:39.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-10-27 11:37:54] <sixwheeledbeast> see ~schematics |
| 10:40.38 | sixwheeledbeast | :D |
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| 10:43.25 | sixwheeledbeast | yep, also you could replace bupbat while apart if you wish |
| 10:43.40 | legendracer | bupbat??to me? |
| 10:43.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | OMG please stop it, sixwheeledbeast |
| 10:43.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 10:43.57 | sixwheeledbeast | ~bupbat |
| 10:43.57 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, bupbat is use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864 |
| 10:44.03 | sixwheeledbeast | :D |
| 10:44.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: legendracer evidently doesn't check links we post here, so this will become even more nasty |
| 10:44.40 | ShadowJK | Considering I'd only need the services provided by bupbat once a year at most, I'm not too bothered whether it's working or not |
| 10:44.56 | legendracer | i check... |
| 10:46.13 | sixwheeledbeast | we can but try |
| 10:46.52 | sixwheeledbeast | if you plan on keeping N900 until 2038 bupbat may spit it's guts on the PCB. |
| 10:54.23 | kolp | DocScrutinizer05: One of the links in ~bubpat is outdated, it is now https://hbe-shop.de/Art-2112777-TAIYO-YUDEN-PAS414HR-VA5R-KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN |
| 10:54.59 | legendracer | i tried apt-get remove game |
| 10:55.13 | legendracer | but cant find package?? |
| 10:55.23 | legendracer | need to remove stock games...how? |
| 10:55.35 | psycho_oreos | search it through dpkg -l |
| 10:57.05 | legendracer | sorry? |
| 10:57.57 | psycho_oreos | "dpkg" is a command "-l" is a switch for dpkg to list packages. man dpkg or dpkg --help for help and information. |
| 10:58.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal bupbat |
| 10:58.12 | infobot | "bupbat" is "use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864" |
| 10:59.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, bupbat is use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/Art-2112777-TAIYO-YUDEN-PAS414HR-VA5R-KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864 |
| 10:59.13 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 10:59.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | kolp: thanks |
| 10:59.58 | sixwheeledbeast | :) glad I mentioned it :whistle: |
| 11:00.47 | sixwheeledbeast | legendracer: you cannot simply apt-get remove games* |
| 11:01.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | make a-sandiwich |
| 11:01.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooops |
| 11:01.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | make a-sandwich |
| 11:01.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 11:01.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | sudo make a-sandwich |
| 11:02.17 | sixwheeledbeast | ~tell legendracer about beasttweaks |
| 11:03.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno what exactly I want to say. Maybe something like "it will take another few years until man-machine-interfaces are error-tolerant to make apt-get remove games work" |
| 11:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and maybe I don't want to ever see that happen |
| 11:03.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 11:04.01 | legendracer | lol |
| 11:04.03 | psycho_oreos | It'll become idiot-proof if that was to happen. |
| 11:04.09 | legendracer | got the perfect setup thread |
| 11:04.19 | legendracer | n900 perfect setup |
| 11:04.26 | legendracer | copy pasting |
| 11:04.29 | sixwheeledbeast | has realised my tweaks doesn't remove games. |
| 11:04.32 | legendracer | let me see if it works |
| 11:05.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | please read the goddamn warning! |
| 11:05.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | this evolves into a alpha-xyz issue |
| 11:05.32 | DrCode | hi all |
| 11:05.46 | DrCode | how can I tell uboot to load kerenl power by default? |
| 11:05.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | since xy issue isn't enough fun already |
| 11:06.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | DrCode: ask Pali |
| 11:07.00 | DrCode | ok |
| 11:07.02 | DrCode | thankyou |
| 11:07.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~uboot |
| 11:07.12 | infobot | N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 |
| 11:09.02 | Pali | DrCode: read first post in above thread ^^^^ |
| 11:09.53 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: maybe you should add note to uboot factoid that before asking questions read first post in that thread :-) |
| 11:09.59 | DrCode | thankyou |
| 11:10.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I'm just readin it but honestly can't spot the info |
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| 11:13.24 | legendracer | any keyboard shortcut to select text from screen, my screen is mad,no inputs... |
| 11:13.42 | legendracer | i need that left side cursor lock |
| 11:14.29 | DrCode | pali: do I need to edit .item file? |
| 11:14.34 | DrCode | I don't understand , sorry |
| 11:14.52 | Pali | no, read first post, just create symlink |
| 11:15.12 | DrCode | ok |
| 11:15.14 | DrCode | thankyou |
| 11:16.10 | psycho_oreos | Should probably just SSH in. |
| 11:16.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly can't find any info about which is the automatically booted kernel/system, in that post. Rather I'm dizzy now |
| 11:21.12 | sixwheeledbeast | legendracer: in terminal I guess? You will need the Paste button in the touchscreen menu anyway. ssh would be easier |
| 11:21.30 | legendracer | my touch screen is mad bro... |
| 11:21.53 | legendracer | i make 1 click, it takes 10 clicks...i dont do anything..still it clicks |
| 11:22.21 | legendracer | i need to copy the command from maemo website and paste in x termonal |
| 11:22.50 | sixwheeledbeast | AFAIK there are no keyboard shortcuts for touchscreen parts in terminal |
| 11:23.18 | psycho_oreos | Instead you could have listened in for a clue. SSH.. for the _second_ time. |
| 11:27.16 | legendracer | i have show a lot of patience to work with this screen now... |
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| 11:33.23 | sixwheeledbeast | I fear I can't help there. I have NFC how to setup SSH to Win7 64bit. search for PuTTY? |
| 11:34.48 | psycho_oreos | He just wants to complain, let him complain all he likes. |
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| 11:46.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, putty |
| 11:46.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, sinply ignore |
| 11:47.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | when even users complain that this channel feels worse than 1st level helpdesk, sth goes haywire |
| 11:48.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually it feels more like first class on "how to use a computer", than 1st level help desk |
| 11:49.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~question |
| 11:49.36 | infobot | rumour has it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 11:50.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | askers not willing to listen and to learn are not worth the effort |
| 11:51.08 | psycho_oreos | Maybe we should make support a premium product.. hey microsoft did that so why not us? :)) maybe the inquirers will listen because it's their money that they're paying for. |
| 11:52.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | brilliant idea, alas it probably fails for micro-payment |
| 11:53.38 | psycho_oreos | Nah we make it money front up rather than money offered after the solution was provided. |
| 11:53.41 | sixwheeledbeast | I would think that will fragment community more so |
| 11:54.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, prolly |
| 11:54.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | but sometimes it's simply too much |
| 11:54.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | time to take a break then |
| 11:54.42 | sixwheeledbeast | The issue is not asking for advise, more having to spoon feed |
| 11:54.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, sure |
| 11:55.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | even spoonfeed to a unwilling child that spits it all on your trousers |
| 11:55.24 | psycho_oreos | Even worse are the ones that "bites the hand that feeds'. |
| 11:56.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh yeah, we got those too, every now and then |
| 11:56.25 | sixwheeledbeast | we can't know everything, but you have to be willing to put in some effort, it is your problem after all. |
| 11:57.22 | psycho_oreos | There's also those who are simply impatient, expecting us to have our faces glued to the screen.. well not literally but more or less the same context. |
| 11:58.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: I clearly adviced to full-reflash to stock, NOT to install any additional apps, and then test if the problem persists. I don't see any willingness to follow the given advice. That's it on my side |
| 11:59.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: oh yeah, those drive-by askers you'd love to kick for leaving the channel 5 min after asking |
| 12:00.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway it's kinda amazing to see that renaissance of new users dropping by - 1 year ago we had one new user per month maybe |
| 12:00.51 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, almost the same goes with those that "bumps" threads. They don't necessarily use the word bump but they'll use ways to ensure their thread is on top. |
| 12:01.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, but that's tmo anyway. you know, ~tmo |
| 12:01.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 12:01.38 | sixwheeledbeast | Well the price of used devices has dropped again |
| 12:01.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 12:01.50 | psycho_oreos | I have some sense of feeling some of these new users come with their own set of perception on what free support is. |
| 12:01.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope I don't counteract this trend |
| 12:02.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 12:02.43 | sixwheeledbeast | A friend got a spare for £40 since his started dropping sim intermittantly |
| 12:02.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: that's what smart-questions aka ~question is for ;-) |
| 12:02.54 | sixwheeledbeast | ~ask |
| 12:02.54 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 12:03.21 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, yeah but not many will actually read and accept that. Which is somewhat irritating. |
| 12:03.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 12:04.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | even more irritating: freenode guidelines deprecate http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 12:04.11 | psycho_oreos | They won't ask smart questions, they won't listen for suggestions, they just want their questions to be answered precisely to the point and in a prompt manner. |
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| 12:04.50 | psycho_oreos | Yeah freenode has gone soft over the years.. you can thank the likes of #ubuntu channel guidelines for instance and when #linux turned soft. |
| 12:05.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, "what are the software patches to make a broken hardware digitizer work again?" |
| 12:05.36 | psycho_oreos | "help"! "I can't flash my n900" "its broken..." "help!" |
| 12:05.39 | sixwheeledbeast | but this is more and more common in society not just here IMO |
| 12:05.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still love those two: |
| 12:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~debian xyz |
| 12:05.44 | infobot | ACTION tells xyz to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
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| 12:05.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ubuntu xyz |
| 12:05.57 | infobot | ACTION lovingly explains to xyz in a way that causes xyz to weep with gratitude that xyz must read the fine, friendly manual |
| 12:06.23 | psycho_oreos | Not all people (namely old timers) are willing to accept the softer rules. |
| 12:06.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm particualrly not willing to play by them |
| 12:07.44 | psycho_oreos | I too have gotten sick of the idea on spoonfeeding. I thought I could get some sort of gratitude in return but no. I get bombarded with questions and with desperation emphasis added to it. |
| 12:07.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I tried hard (with quite some success I think) to be less rude and grumpy since I'm councilor. But my capabilities regarding that are limited |
| 12:08.14 | fk_lx | Take part in anonymous survey about past and current cooperation between companies and communities in open source mobile Linux projects (all questions are optional): |
| 12:08.18 | fk_lx | https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1kHw7TFOlWTSyDDmNP0fPPuAt8zpCvRbbLsmX1Mqdmec/viewform |
| 12:08.34 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: I think you have gone soft :P |
| 12:08.34 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 12:08.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | fk_lx: what's that? |
| 12:09.13 | fk_lx | a survey :-) |
| 12:09.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're lucky you answered |
| 12:09.29 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 12:10.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | fk_lx: could you elaborate on what exactly this survey is about and why it matters to maemo users? |
| 12:10.46 | fk_lx | DocScrutinizer05: of course |
| 12:11.29 | fk_lx | I'm interested in opinions about cooperation between open source communities and companies on mobile Linux projects |
| 12:11.50 | fk_lx | and I would like to know |
| 12:12.12 | fk_lx | what are expectations from new projects like Firefox OS, Sailfish, Tizen and Ubuntu Touch |
| 12:12.48 | fk_lx | I want to prepare a report |
| 12:13.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | that sounds sane |
| 12:13.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! :-) |
| 12:13.30 | psycho_oreos | thinks the remark Linus made in regards to nVidia support under linux remains relevant to how end users perceive corporations are towards linux support. |
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| 12:14.34 | fk_lx | I think the results of the report might open eyes to some people in companies ;-) |
| 12:15.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | prepares another coffee |
| 12:16.04 | fk_lx | DocScrutinizer05: of course the more people will take part, the better overall view will be achieved |
| 12:16.22 | psycho_oreos | .. in theory.. |
| 12:16.48 | fk_lx | btw. does anyone recall if similar surveys were conducted before? |
| 12:18.15 | psycho_oreos | Not I, and I basically doubt it would change how people in companies would think otherwise of linux support. |
| 12:20.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | fk_lx: one suggestion: add a note about total number of questions and estimated time needed to complete the query. It gets you more and better answers |
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| 12:22.14 | fk_lx | DocScrutinizer05: well all the questions are optional and there are many open questions so it's hard to define that |
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| 12:22.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know |
| 12:22.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | but many will not even start when they can't see the end |
| 12:23.04 | fk_lx | ok |
| 12:23.26 | fk_lx | I guess 15 minutes is max |
| 12:23.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather be "pessimistic" with your numbers, users won't be disappointed when they started under the premise of it taking 30min and they completed it in 10 |
| 12:24.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | the other way around though will get you aborted queries |
| 12:27.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | also don't miss to give users a hint about how many percent they already got completed. And thank them for their contribution at end of query |
| 12:28.19 | fk_lx | DocScrutinizer05: thanks for helpful feedback |
| 12:28.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw :-) |
| 12:28.36 | fk_lx | I've added the time at beginning of the survey |
| 12:28.48 | fk_lx | and also some default progress bar (which isn't so good btw.) |
| 12:29.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | that doesn't matter much, as long as users have an idea they are making progress at all |
| 12:30.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | even a 3/15 page number would suffice |
| 12:31.09 | fk_lx | DocScrutinizer: well the progress bar shows 50% on first page :-P |
| 12:31.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E nobody will abort on page 14/15 |
| 12:32.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | but a lot will abort on page 6/15 when no page numbers displayed |
| 12:33.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I think a "page 1 of 15" header is best you can get |
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| 12:36.19 | fk_lx | DocScrutinizer05: ok added that on top :-) |
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| 18:16.32 | qwerty123 | Suggest some screenshot app pleasee!! |
| 18:17.39 | sixwheeledbeast | qwerty123: wut? |
| 18:18.06 | Defiant | import? |
| 18:18.12 | sixwheeledbeast | Ctrl + Shift + P |
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| 18:19.54 | qwerty123 | sixwheeledbeast: after that combination what shud i do to get the pic??!! |
| 18:20.32 | sixwheeledbeast | search in .images IIRC |
| 18:20.41 | sixwheeledbeast | /home/user somewhere |
| 18:23.16 | qwerty123 | sixwheeledbeast: thnx got it!! Some other alternative??!! |
| 18:24.15 | sixwheeledbeast | some load-applet program in extras, can't remember name, search "screenshot" in HAM |
| 18:24.25 | fk_lx | will repeat myself a bit :-) Please take part in a survey (5-20 minutes needed) about co-op between companies and open source community on mobile Linux projects (23 people filled the form so far): |
| 18:24.32 | fk_lx | https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1kHw7TFOlWTSyDDmNP0fPPuAt8zpCvRbbLsmX1Mqdmec/viewform |
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| 18:27.33 | sixwheeledbeast | ~pkg |
| 18:27.33 | infobot | i heard pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 18:28.40 | sixwheeledbeast | qwerty123: http://maemo.org/packages/view/load-applet/ |
| 18:28.50 | qwerty123 | apt-cache search :P got it! Thnx!!sixwheeledbeast: |
| 18:30.39 | sixwheeledbeast | IIRC load-applet saves it in a different place with a screenshotxxx.png filename |
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| 18:45.49 | qwerty123 | sixwheeledbeast: in .images!! |
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| 20:11.42 | sixwheeledbeast | wonders if a "animated knot" app would be useful for maemo... |
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| 22:27.28 | DrCode | hi all |
| 22:27.52 | DrCode | I have strange problem, some calls ring one time and forward to answering , any idea? |
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| 22:36.04 | sixwheeledbeast | any additional software |
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| 22:53.53 | DrCode | no |
| 22:53.57 | DrCode | strang |
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