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| 05:47.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | moo |
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| 06:11.32 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Lactation? |
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| 06:14.41 | brolin_empey | SHAman? |
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| 06:17.41 | brolin_empey | If someone seriously created a program named dog as “an enhanced replacement for cat”, does a command or program named woman exist to complement man? |
| 06:18.32 | brolin_empey | Write-Only man(ual)? |
| 06:20.19 | brolin_empey | If tac seriously exists as a backward cat, then god should exist as a backward dog too. :-D |
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| 06:21.54 | brolin_empey | Then I could seriously use chmod to set god mode. Well, at least the mode of god. |
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| 06:22.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~reverse brolin_empey |
| 06:23.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dog brolin_empey |
| 06:23.14 | infobot | ACTION stares at brolin_empey until brolin_empey whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 06:25.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | trivia about cat: it originally meant conCATenate&print |
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| 06:25.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is still what cat does |
| 06:26.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | guess what's "usr" |
| 06:28.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | hint: it's three(!) words |
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| 06:43.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>When Dennis Ritchie was asked what he would do diffrerently regarding the birth of Unix, he said "I would put a 'e' in /tmp"<< |
| 06:46.25 | sono | usr is simply for "multi-user programs" everything else is made up afterwards |
| 06:47.58 | sono | hm |
| 06:48.21 | sono | nowait |
| 06:48.40 | Luke-Jr | just "user" |
| 06:48.45 | sono | user something resources? |
| 06:48.46 | Luke-Jr | as in "not boot" |
| 06:48.57 | sono | damn |
| 06:49.10 | sono | haha i actually forgot |
| 06:49.34 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Yes, I knew cat means concatenate. :-P |
| 06:50.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | unix system resources |
| 06:50.30 | sono | now that is certainly not it. |
| 06:50.39 | brolin_empey | ~cat DocScrutinizer05 |
| 06:50.40 | infobot | ACTION shoves a feral cat down DocScrutinizer05's pants |
| 06:50.47 | sono | the unix system did not go into /usr |
| 06:51.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | USER didn't even have write permissions or any data whatsoever in /usr |
| 06:51.38 | sono | unless your hosts is in /usr/etc/hosts |
| 06:51.47 | sono | irrelevant |
| 06:52.10 | brolin_empey | ~reverse Microsoft Windows Live |
| 06:52.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, this discussion is irrelevant |
| 06:52.29 | sono | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | bullshit |
| 06:52.54 | sono | remember when unix actually was multi-user machines? |
| 06:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~optification |
| 06:53.00 | infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" |
| 06:53.01 | sono | hahah |
| 06:53.12 | sono | the bullshit again |
| 06:53.18 | Luke-Jr | the point of /usr was that you didn't need it to boot the system |
| 06:53.26 | sono | you're so full of it. |
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| 06:53.34 | Luke-Jr | everything needed to boot was in /bin etc |
| 06:53.39 | Luke-Jr | everything else went in /usr |
| 06:53.48 | Luke-Jr | unless it was local, then it went in /usr/local |
| 06:54.06 | sono | Luke-Jr: stuff you didnt need in single user. yes. |
| 06:54.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, not everything, only "System Resources" aka binaries, libs, whatnot |
| 06:54.28 | sono | user system resources |
| 06:54.34 | sono | that was it |
| 06:54.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | rhe idea of /usr originally been to share one volume between several machines |
| 06:55.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus stuff in there is a) not user-specific, and b) not needed during boot |
| 06:55.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | however see /usr/local/ |
| 06:56.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | which should mount back to a local volme |
| 06:56.23 | sono | i didnt mean user-specific, i meant "for the users" as opposed to "for the admins" |
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| 06:56.41 | sono | it used to be that they were actually differnt people =) |
| 06:56.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha, what's with usr/sbin ? |
| 06:57.16 | sono | that came later afaik. also is an abomination |
| 06:57.20 | Luke-Jr | … |
| 06:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't mess with an old grumpy fart who's doing unix since ~30 years |
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| 06:58.08 | brolin_empey | sono: Remember when a “phone” was a telephone instead of a computer with optional telephony capability? |
| 06:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | DUH, 38, damn the time flies by |
| 06:58.31 | sono | you're way too quick with the ranthammer to gegt respect, no matter how grey l.. |
| 06:58.35 | sono | hahahhaha 38 |
| 06:59.08 | sono | i am 36. have you been doing unix since you were 8? |
| 06:59.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you're right |
| 06:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I thought 15 |
| 06:59.29 | sono | i am done with this |
| 06:59.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | but actually might have been way later |
| 06:59.57 | Luke-Jr | I vote we strap sono to a Windows RT toy and make him use Program Files |
| 07:00.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 07:00.52 | brolin_empey | Luke-Jr: You mean PROGRA~1 ? ;-) |
| 07:01.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 07:01.24 | kerio | sono: fhs doesn't care about your bullshit, thankfully |
| 07:01.38 | Luke-Jr | fhs sucks, wtf did they do to poor /mnt ? |
| 07:01.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hihi |
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| 07:02.23 | Luke-Jr | I need to figure out eudev soon. |
| 07:02.33 | Luke-Jr | since the systemd idiots took over udev |
| 07:02.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | giggles watching USA blush on embarrassment about their own espionage and the global damage done |
| 07:03.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | singular, not plural |
| 07:03.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | THE systemd idiot |
| 07:03.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | akso took over /usr, so my above joke been just a reminescence, since soon we'll miss it completely |
| 07:04.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ak/al/ |
| 07:05.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | in times of systemd, there are no more late-mounted volumes, and no more small root filesystems where every byte counts |
| 07:05.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck lennart! |
| 07:06.08 | l4m3rx | i doubt systemd will take over completly |
| 07:13.21 | brolin_empey | is (still) up past his bedtime. |
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| 07:16.29 | l4m3rx | btw u gatta give credit to Lennart Poettering.... i didn't belive some1 will make init i'll disslike more then sysV ... |
| 07:16.35 | l4m3rx | not an easy task to do. |
| 07:23.49 | sono | i am trying to overcome the initial reaction because it's clearly here to stay.. |
| 07:23.52 | sono | arrived at the office |
| 07:24.17 | sono | kerio: luckily, the filesystem structure goes way before the actual FHS, it goes back to bell labs |
| 07:24.21 | sono | kerio: so more bullshit |
| 07:24.57 | sono | still doesn't know how to write rules for the new udev |
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| 07:26.26 | brolin_empey | ~cat dog |
| 07:26.26 | infobot | ACTION shoves a feral cat down dog's pants |
| 07:26.50 | brolin_empey | ~dog cat |
| 07:26.50 | infobot | ACTION stares at cat until cat whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 07:27.12 | brolin_empey | ~dog female |
| 07:27.12 | infobot | ACTION stares at female until female whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 07:27.37 | sono | and can we finally stop the hostilities, it's getting old. i guess we all proved that we are cranky old farts long enough now |
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| 07:28.26 | brolin_empey | Why does infobot seem to assume that all IRC users are male? (fail) |
| 07:29.44 | jaska | gender-specific pronouns are silly. |
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| 07:31.21 | sono | indeed |
| 07:31.26 | sono | and yet, they prevail |
| 07:31.46 | brolin_empey | Or maybe female whimpers and urinates all over infobot, who is (a) male, hence the masculine pronoun? |
| 07:33.29 | brolin_empey | What is the intended antecedent (sp?) of “himself” in the sentence “infobot stares at female until female whimpers and pees all over himself.”? |
| 07:33.54 | brolin_empey | antecedant? |
| 07:34.29 | brolin_empey | ~dog |
| 07:34.30 | infobot | it has been said that dog is In Dog We Trust |
| 07:34.48 | brolin_empey | ~dog |
| 07:34.48 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, dog is In Dog We Trust |
| 07:35.35 | brolin_empey | ~dog self |
| 07:35.36 | infobot | ACTION stares at self until self whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 07:36.09 | jaska | ~dog infobot |
| 07:36.10 | infobot | ACTION stares at infobot until infobot whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 07:36.21 | jaska | eyes in stalks? |
| 07:36.55 | brolin_empey | ~cat infobot |
| 07:36.55 | infobot | ACTION shoves a feral cat down infobot's pants |
| 07:37.31 | brolin_empey | ~reverse racecar |
| 07:38.01 | brolin_empey | ~reverse engineer |
| 07:38.25 | brolin_empey | ~reverse palindrome |
| 07:39.16 | brolin_empey | ~reverse PRND |
| 07:39.50 | brolin_empey | ~forward D |
| 07:39.59 | brolin_empey | ~forward 1 |
| 07:40.32 | brolin_empey | Aww. ☹ |
| 07:41.09 | brolin_empey | ~slap stick |
| 07:41.09 | infobot | ACTION slaps stick, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 07:41.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~gender |
| 07:41.24 | infobot | I'm gay |
| 07:41.51 | brolin_empey | ~finger self |
| 07:41.51 | infobot | ACTION raises his middle finger to self |
| 07:42.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~attack brolin_empey |
| 07:42.13 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing brolin_empey |
| 07:43.22 | brolin_empey | Why is infobot now feminine instead of masculine? |
| 07:43.43 | brolin_empey | ~gender bender |
| 07:43.43 | infobot | I heard bender is sexless. |
| 07:44.02 | brolin_empey | ~gender hack |
| 07:44.02 | infobot | I heard hack is male. |
| 07:44.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-P |
| 07:45.34 | brolin_empey | ~gender infobot |
| 07:45.34 | infobot | I heard infobot is female. |
| 07:45.45 | brolin_empey | ~gender female |
| 07:45.45 | infobot | I heard female is sexless. |
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| 07:45.53 | brolin_empey | ~gender male |
| 07:45.53 | infobot | I heard male is lesbian. |
| 07:45.59 | brolin_empey | :-D |
| 07:46.12 | doc|home | you can probably message the bot |
| 07:46.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~query |
| 07:46.23 | infobot | talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) |
| 07:47.29 | brolin_empey | ~gender brolin_empey DocScrutinizer05 |
| 07:47.29 | infobot | I heard brolin_empey DocScrutinizer05 is sexless. |
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| 07:51.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~striptease |
| 07:51.48 | infobot | Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no? |
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| 07:55.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~.~ |
| 07:55.42 | infobot | Ni hao! |
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| 07:59.45 | zamn900 | hello DocScrutinizer05 great master. Can I have an app for automatically have timers of the day and night or custom of general and silence profile? |
| 08:01.17 | zamn900 | and why dropbox never recognizes me as the account to authenticate? I am pretty sure I enter the right user and pass |
| 08:01.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, when I correctly parsed your question, then the answer is "YES". And the answer to your next question is "alarmed" |
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| 08:01.58 | zamn900 | it seems already on tasks in htop alarmed |
| 08:02.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I heard dropbox changed API. IIRC. thus no more works |
| 08:02.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't mix alarmd and alarmed |
| 08:02.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 08:02.47 | infobot | well, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 08:02.53 | zamn900 | and no develops? no chances? no alternatives to that app? |
| 08:03.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | that app is brilliant |
| 08:03.17 | zamn900 | ah ok thank you DocScrutinizer05 |
| 08:03.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I contributed to it ;-P ) |
| 08:03.37 | zamn900 | I meant about dropbox |
| 08:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, sorry, I don't know much about that dropbox issue |
| 08:04.07 | zamn900 | all remains to do is remove it |
| 08:04.22 | zamn900 | and some alternative app? |
| 08:04.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm using my own server |
| 08:04.56 | zamn900 | that's means? |
| 08:05.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | that means I never used dropbox or any of the possibly existing alternatives |
| 08:05.32 | zamn900 | alright |
| 08:05.35 | zamn900 | bye |
| 08:05.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus I have no idea and can't really help |
| 08:05.46 | zamn900 | ok |
| 08:06.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | likewise I know little about gmail |
| 08:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | or facebook |
| 08:06.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | or twitter |
| 08:06.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | or wazzapp |
| 08:07.07 | zamn900 | yappari |
| 08:07.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | or whatever is the spelling of that hoax |
| 08:07.14 | zamn900 | is cool developed |
| 08:07.46 | zamn900 | yes no problem about that ones |
| 08:08.10 | zamn900 | maybe because is all developed |
| 08:10.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | note that alarmed also has a nice versatile cmdline interface, all it needs is a symlink to not break your fingers when using it: /usr/bin/alarmed -> /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py |
| 08:11.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | for completely unclear reasons shapeshifter(?) refused to add that link to the package |
| 08:12.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/4c0722f2e6 |
| 08:13.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, he also didn't use basename($0) in --help output |
| 08:13.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and (a pity) tehere's no --version option |
| 08:14.56 | zamn900 | hold down... anyway just installed... man as I tab you you get on fire |
| 08:15.16 | zamn900 | XP |
| 08:17.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~xyawn |
| 08:17.45 | infobot | somebody said xyawn was big coffee |
| 08:17.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | K |
| 08:18.14 | zamn900 | YEAH cool app DocScrutinizer05 I configured my stuff |
| 08:18.21 | zamn900 | cool |
| 08:18.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | toldya it's a cool app |
| 08:18.26 | l4m3rx | DocScrutinizer05, /etc/init.d/rcS the mount_mmc() function, is the earlyest stage of boot where we have mounted partitions with rw? right? |
| 08:18.53 | l4m3rx | (excluding the tmpfs partitions ofc) |
| 08:18.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess that's correct, yeah |
| 08:19.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | at end of rcS |
| 08:19.44 | zamn900 | anyway before last flash this n900 wa heavy slow |
| 08:19.57 | zamn900 | now it's completely reborn |
| 08:20.48 | zamn900 | such a pain no dropbox here |
| 08:22.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, in some respect maemo5 is like windows - occasionally a complete fresh installation does wonders. Just for maemo5 it's months, not days |
| 08:23.54 | zamn900 | lulz did you never try smscon? it's amazing... as you test the 'track on' with gps... it starts and you can't stop it from using gps... but it shows the gps icon anyway so whoever steal this... can understand and remove battey suddenly... |
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| 08:25.56 | zamn900 | and I did not test it without money inside the SIM |
| 08:26.30 | zamn900 | but I think this is not working without money...won't send sms |
| 08:26.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | good point! file a ticket against the app |
| 08:26.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | it SHOULD hide GPS systray icon |
| 08:26.54 | zamn900 | I won't do you it |
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| 08:27.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I *never* file tickets against bugs I haven't reproduced myself |
| 08:27.51 | zamn900 | alright |
| 08:27.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | BY myself |
| 08:28.07 | zamn900 | no develop never on it then |
| 08:28.22 | zamn900 | anyway you know yet by me here |
| 08:28.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | your fault ;-) |
| 08:28.51 | zamn900 | you will might have will to test by youself |
| 08:28.55 | zamn900 | then... |
| 08:29.01 | zamn900 | I'll win |
| 08:29.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could find out who's maintainer (on ~pkg), and try to directly ping her/him here, instead of using the bugtracker link on that ~pkg page |
| 08:30.28 | zamn900 | also the deficit fact further is that without money on the card ... no sms more and loss of tracks |
| 08:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | only so much you can do about that |
| 08:31.17 | zamn900 | but... as the n900 gets a new and not IMEI recognized card it send the sms with new number |
| 08:32.22 | zamn900 | but in the case the stealer does not be supported about hot to flash the n900 before starting it with new sim card and number |
| 08:33.36 | zamn900 | if the stealer get supported here about how to flash it... before to use it with his own sim card |
| 08:33.42 | zamn900 | he will win |
| 08:34.38 | zamn900 | so... there are such deficits... of the entire plan project... not only some bug |
| 08:35.22 | zamn900 | I reported here And I won't report in no any other part |
| 08:35.32 | zamn900 | byez |
| 08:37.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | A suggestion to the security concerned devels/hackers: patch uBoot so it needs slide-open AND volume-up AND cam-door open to pop up menu. Make default startup pass a parameter on cmdline that causes a lockscreen to show up that mentions the owner's name, and landline phone number. Make that screen also "call home" whenever a wrong device lockcode gets entered. And now the missing jigsaw puzzle piece: Patch NOLO so it doesn't enter |
| 08:37.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | flashing mode unless you hold a key of user's choice (NOT 'U'!), or even completely forbid NOLO entering flashing mode |
| 08:39.34 | sono | sounds like you thought of everything (except jtag perhaps ;-) |
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| 08:46.13 | zamn900 | oh god this sounds good |
| 08:46.25 | zamn900 | I would learn |
| 08:46.49 | zamn900 | some guide? |
| 08:47.11 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer05: i was thinking about something along displaying a bootscreen, encrypted by the hash of the bootloader/bootimage plus users rsa key (only decryption available on the device), plus maybe some other credential like pin/passwd |
| 08:47.49 | cehteh | if the user feeds once a unique image (deleted everywhere else) then this should be rather hard to crack and its easily visible if tampered |
| 08:50.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: nice idea |
| 08:50.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | different target but nicely complementary to my suggestion |
| 08:51.51 | cehteh | apropos lockscreen ... would be nice if it accepts characters and keyboard input too, i dont care if only the numpad is visible on touchscreen |
| 08:52.01 | zamn900 | yes I see that too as well |
| 08:52.06 | cehteh | but that you cant enter lockcodes from keyboard sux |
| 08:52.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 08:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | anything that can't get entered via both HID alternatively sucks |
| 08:52.43 | cehteh | besides the lockcode is hillariously insecore .. what hash do they use? |
| 08:53.19 | cehteh | and full device encryption .. |
| 08:53.35 | cehteh | well prolly no for the n900 anymore, aging system :( |
| 08:53.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | you heard of neo900? |
| 08:53.57 | cehteh | i mean by default/well supported i know it works has hack |
| 08:53.58 | cehteh | sure |
| 08:54.00 | zamn900 | nope? ahaahaha |
| 08:54.25 | cehteh | how is the ne0900 come along? |
| 08:54.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | monday we start "kickstarter" |
| 08:54.41 | cehteh | i like the idea but its way to expensive for me |
| 08:54.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually NOT kickstarter |
| 08:54.51 | zamn900 | uboot I have already installed... so should I mess up by myself the conf? |
| 08:54.56 | cehteh | half the price double the ram would be a deal |
| 08:55.11 | cehteh | and meanwhile i'd like a biggier screen |
| 08:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, not really feasible |
| 08:55.18 | cehteh | i know |
| 08:55.21 | cehteh | too bad |
| 08:55.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe ArgoNinehundred |
| 08:55.56 | cehteh | neo900 is an expensive geek toy, i wish it all luck and success, but i cant go that way |
| 08:56.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka Argo900 |
| 08:56.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka GTA04-ArgoN |
| 08:56.49 | cehteh | hardware wise i'd like my wifes Note 2 ... but the droid sux |
| 08:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | once freemantle settled and matured on Neo900, we might dare to switch hw architecture |
| 08:57.03 | cehteh | would be awesome when one had some more choices for an od |
| 08:57.05 | cehteh | os |
| 08:57.22 | cehteh | cyanogen might be an option for my wife but isnt for me |
| 08:57.41 | cehteh | and a friend offered me a spare n900 so my stock is secured for some time |
| 08:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait for next major step of this operation, which may start in as short as 12 months |
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| 08:58.13 | cehteh | mmmaybe i get a jolla otherwise, but thats also rather a waitandsee |
| 08:58.31 | cehteh | yeah i hope i can sustain the n900 as long as possible |
| 08:58.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | when Neo900 realy flies, we might build an ecosystem that allows own case |
| 08:59.01 | cehteh | anyways .. there are meanwhile few more players, sometihng i wouldnt expected 1.5-2 years ago |
| 08:59.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | for Argo900 |
| 08:59.17 | cehteh | firefox os, 'nuntu, sailfish, .... |
| 08:59.31 | cehteh | competition is really good |
| 08:59.51 | cehteh | any island-platform needs to readjust now |
| 08:59.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | all targeting at smartphone competition, NOT at MID |
| 09:00.07 | cehteh | yeah |
| 09:00.36 | cehteh | but i think more about ecology, having platforms with portable libs, forcing devs to think in a portable way |
| 09:00.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | none of them even considers offering an alternative to their individual flavor of "appstore" |
| 09:00.56 | cehteh | years ago you made one android and one ios port and you are done |
| 09:01.06 | cehteh | now you have really reconsider when making products |
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| 09:01.45 | cehteh | well i'll bet that will come because no one wants to maintain 5+ platforms for his app |
| 09:01.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and none really dedicated to FOSS |
| 09:02.21 | cehteh | thats true, but its a start to force people thinking in a interoperating/portable way |
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| 09:02.47 | cehteh | nice seed for FOSS software. its a death pin if some FOSS project is tied to a propietary platform |
| 09:03.19 | cehteh | ultimatively this will lead to more free software and free platforms |
| 09:03.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody wants to earn money with devices anymore. Devices are subsidized to make money fro appstore |
| 09:03.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | a concept Nokia finaaly died from |
| 09:04.06 | cehteh | i think that model is current but not sustainable in the long run |
| 09:04.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | it seems to work - a bazillion fart-apps prove that |
| 09:04.56 | sono | cehteh: the model is about as sustainable as almost all of commerce. |
| 09:05.00 | cehteh | yeah but plg get sick of them, the hype is over |
| 09:05.06 | sono | cehteh: it works, it makes people money, and as long as this is true, it will persist |
| 09:05.35 | sono | how much it sucks is entirely irrelevant... |
| 09:05.56 | cehteh | sure, but with free software providing 'useful' tools the fart-apps become irrelavent, people have to deliver something to get money from software |
| 09:06.08 | sono | ? no |
| 09:06.17 | sono | FLOSS has been useful for ages |
| 09:06.28 | sono | yet we have as doc said a bazillion fart apps |
| 09:06.31 | cehteh | most (except email haha) daily jobs can be done on the n900 for me. i dont need fart-apps |
| 09:07.11 | cehteh | yes, still i tihnk that was a hype, everyone wants a speaking cat and whatever .. but meanwhile it gets boring |
| 09:07.18 | cehteh | everyone seen it no one needs it |
| 09:07.34 | zammy | DocScrutinizer05, anyway how to make uboot make that weird and customizable things? |
| 09:08.39 | sono | cehteh: authors (small shops with a terrible boss and clueless dev slaves, or just individuals who wish to enrich themselves) will write fart apps, and people will buy fart apps for the same reason they watch daytime TV. |
| 09:08.44 | sono | cehteh: there is no end in sight |
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| 09:09.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: that's basically rather simple - when you know how uBoot works |
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| 09:10.19 | zammy | maybe with uboot edit something... |
| 09:10.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway cya folks, I'm busy with preparing our "cone-out" at monday |
| 09:10.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | come* even |
| 09:10.36 | sono | yea i got work stuff, too.. |
| 09:10.37 | zammy | ok |
| 09:10.38 | sono | cya |
| 09:12.18 | zammy | is bootscreen control panel applet? |
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| 11:29.42 | kerum | hello. I'm having some issues flashing my N900 |
| 11:30.05 | kerum | when N900 boots up, all images seem to be broken |
| 11:30.39 | kerum | everything, the whole desktop is broken, and even the pin-input is consisted only of broken images |
| 11:31.27 | kerum | anyone have some time to tell me what to do? |
| 11:36.41 | sono | you just flashed both images? latest versions? and this happens before touching anything? |
| 11:37.02 | kerum | yes, latest |
| 11:37.41 | sono | hrm. i have very little experience and can't imagine what would cause this. doc is out preparing for the neo crowdfunding launch |
| 11:37.44 | sono | maybe he will answer later |
| 11:37.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | you failed to flash COMBINED after VANILLA |
| 11:37.51 | sono | haha =) |
| 11:38.05 | sono | DocScrutinizer05: you are omnipresent aren't you =) |
| 11:38.08 | kerum | i should flash vanilla first, or? |
| 11:38.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 11:38.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes |
| 11:38.26 | kerum | will try now |
| 11:38.55 | sono | funny symptom |
| 11:39.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | the absolutely foolproof method as described in wiki flashing howto: COMBINED, then VANILLA, then COMBINED *again* |
| 11:39.21 | deepy | is there any twitter client that works? |
| 11:39.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 11:39.25 | infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 11:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | the symptom is caused by incomplete or borked optification during first-boot |
| 11:40.23 | deepy | also, why does my terminal stop working after ssh drops? nothing happens when I hit enter |
| 11:40.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? inisde ssh? |
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| 11:41.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | inside* |
| 11:43.50 | deepy | no, in ash. I can still type etc, but nothing happens when I hit enter |
| 11:45.24 | kerum | DocScrutinizer05: looks like it works, ty :) but there's no wallpaper on the desktop, could something be missing? |
| 11:45.30 | kerum | widgets are there though |
| 11:45.48 | kerum | and photos just crashed on me |
| 11:46.04 | kerum | every application crashes |
| 11:46.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | strange |
| 11:47.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds to me like flashing failed |
| 11:48.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerum: did you read the *complete* webpage http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware ? |
| 11:48.51 | kerum | yeah, a few times |
| 11:49.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you follow the foolproof procedure under "troubleshooting" ? |
| 11:49.45 | kerum | doing it now |
| 11:54.57 | kerum | it's booting now, those progression dots |
| 11:55.16 | kerum | i flashed combined -> vanilla -> combined with -R parameter |
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| 11:56.40 | kerum | wallpaper is here now... |
| 11:56.47 | kerum | microb started too :) |
| 11:56.49 | kerum | ty |
| 11:56.58 | kerum | seems like that's it |
| 12:01.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
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| 12:37.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: ssh known to lockup sometimes. killing it from a second shell or closing the complete xterm might be the only two measures to "recover" then |
| 12:37.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless I'd first try ^C and ~. |
| 12:38.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | if both don't help, try ^Q then ^D. Then kill or close |
| 12:39.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is a bug in ssh seen on "standard" environments (No maemo involved) as well |
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| 12:47.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the record: don't use -R parameter, it at best is useless. Worst case breaks your flashing |
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| 12:48.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | the foolproof procedure is robust enough to cope with it nevertheless, but better you don't use it |
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| 13:08.53 | deepy | DocScrutinizer05: it's not ssh, it's after ssh dies |
| 13:09.00 | deepy | I can do ^C and it puts me on the new line, but I can't hit enter |
| 13:09.05 | deepy | if I so SHIFT+ENTER it prints MO |
| 13:09.34 | deepy | I'd see 'connection to xyz lost' and then I'd be unable to hit enter |
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| 13:20.53 | zemmy | [11:09:41] 19<DocScrutinizer05> zammy: that's basically rather simple - when you know how uBoot works |
| 13:20.57 | zemmy | but I don't |
| 13:21.37 | Wizzup | ooh, colours |
| 13:22.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: no idea |
| 13:22.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | try typing "reset<ENTER>" blindly |
| 13:22.40 | Wizzup | xoff / xon? |
| 13:22.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | zemmy: I can't give instructions in IRC how to do it |
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| 13:31.35 | zemmy | DocScrutinizer05, is U-Boot with kernel and with penguin funny icon or whitout that's uboot-pr13? |
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| 13:39.13 | zemmy | alright understood |
| 13:39.21 | zemmy | the penguin icon one |
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| 14:19.45 | JoHnY | Hello there... Is there any way how to check if there is a SIP call in progress in maemo on n900 through dbus? checking for voice call is pretty simple but how can I do it for SIP? |
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| 14:21.00 | zemmy | ah for NSA spies |
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| 14:22.51 | zemmy | killall rtcom-call-ui |
| 14:23.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 14:23.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | JoHnY: I think you need to monitor dbus |
| 14:23.15 | zemmy | >< |
| 14:24.47 | JoHnY | hmm, so there is no simple dbus-send command that can check for a SIP call in progress like for regular calls? |
| 14:26.25 | zemmy | maybe starhash enabler is useful |
| 14:27.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think a sip call *is* a "regular" call |
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| 14:27.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, *#-ena is completely unrelated to this |
| 14:28.03 | JoHnY | DocScrutinizer05: well, no, dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.csd.Call /com/nokia/csd/call/1 com.nokia.csd.Call.Instance.GetStatus reports 0 while in SIP call |
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| 14:28.15 | zemmy | I never tested that *# enabler stuff |
| 14:28.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, csd is about modem/GSM only |
| 14:29.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to ask rtcom or telepathy |
| 14:29.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually telepathy-sofiasip is handling SIP calls |
| 14:29.40 | zemmy | anyway I find in app manager dbus-script-settings |
| 14:29.47 | zemmy | anyway I find in app manager dbus-scripts-settings |
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| 14:30.29 | JoHnY | by the way where can I find some reference for all those dbus interfaces? |
| 14:30.37 | iguano | http://www.theweeklypay.com/index.php?share=19844/ |
| 14:30.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | iguano: eh?? |
| 14:31.11 | iguano | sorry |
| 14:31.28 | zemmy | TROLLL |
| 14:31.29 | iguano | nevermind |
| 14:31.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | JoHnY: there's a listing of all known dbus interfaces on wiki |
| 14:31.42 | iguano | yeap |
| 14:31.46 | zemmy | shame on iguano |
| 14:32.08 | iguano | :( |
| 14:32.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and there's http://www.cncmods.net/files/dbus/ |
| 14:34.35 | zemmy | cool dbus-scripts-settings is useful for completely customize and add new actions or events to the all swithces |
| 14:35.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 14:35.55 | JoHnY | I'll check that, thanks |
| 14:36.00 | zemmy | but does not handle already known dbus settings... |
| 14:36.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | though particularly switch handling is braindamaged in freedesktop.org (the place where dbus gets defined), since the dbus message usually doesn't tell if switch got closed or opened, just that it changed |
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| 14:37.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I argued with the freedesktop.org guys and they exlained that's a deliberate design decision, NFC what those dudes are smoking |
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| 15:04.31 | Pali | maemo using telepathy for all IM/CALL stuff |
| 15:04.47 | Pali | SIP is also using telepathy (telepathy-sofiasip) |
| 15:05.17 | Pali | telepathy using *only* dbus for communication |
| 15:05.29 | Pali | all telepathy API is open |
| 15:06.08 | Pali | JoHnY: better ask telepathy people how to check if there is active voice SIP call |
| 15:06.19 | Pali | telepathy on n900 is same as on desktop |
| 15:15.06 | JoHnY | ok |
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| 15:25.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: @all: I think all ITT-karma should be updated meanwhile |
| 15:28.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least the rate of updates went down to 2 users/day, so obviously the update job doesn't find many users with incorrect karma that needs updating |
| 15:29.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | which should mean all users' karma is up to date |
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| 15:32.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup, I'm watching one user account that got updated early after we fixed ITT-karma, and he seen a second update yesterday |
| 15:33.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | so we've completed one whole round through user base |
| 15:33.29 | sono | guys, what should i replce microb with? |
| 15:33.37 | sono | if i should |
| 15:33.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | replace? nothing |
| 15:33.56 | sono | well s/replace/use instead |
| 15:33.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo will blow chunks when removing microb |
| 15:34.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's opera and some weird version of FF |
| 15:34.30 | sono | thx :) |
| 15:34.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
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| 16:04.27 | cehteh | microb is slow enough, and i still havent found a snappier featureful browser |
| 16:04.58 | cehteh | dillo and other lightweight ones might be faster, but lacking javascript and other features |
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| 16:13.14 | sono | opera-mobile seems snappy enough. i just needed something that google still "supports" for some workstuff |
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| 16:18.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | try thumb |
| 16:18.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~thumb |
| 16:18.43 | infobot | it has been said that cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 |
| 16:20.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | however learn about the implications and complications when it comes to mainenance of your system when thumb installed |
| 16:20.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't want to have to boot with a stock kernel, ever |
| 16:21.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | by whatever screwed method, be it uBoot or rescueOS, or a partial reflash |
| 16:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/screwed/twisted/. |
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| 16:28.58 | ruskie | http://linuxgizmos.com/first-tizen-tablet-ships/ |
| 16:35.31 | sono | i will hopefully get around to checking out thumb this weekend |
| 16:35.52 | sono | it is on the queue... somewhere around #y |
| 16:35.59 | sono | #6 |
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| 17:04.31 | bindi | DocScrutinizer05: hi |
| 17:04.47 | bindi | http://xlobby.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ipod-zune-4-conductor-wiring-chart1.jpg which pins do i want to use again? |
| 17:05.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | R2 R3 |
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| 17:30.11 | Sysaxed | ctrl > in emacs :DD |
| 17:30.38 | Sysaxed | that requires me to press ctrl blue shift b |
| 17:30.51 | Sysaxed | does anybody know any trick to make that kind of things easier? |
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| 17:39.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, blue and shift should be sticky, but I honestly doubt that N900 kbd doesn't act up on 4-key rollover |
| 17:39.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | it already has issues with 3-key rollover |
| 17:40.27 | Sysaxed | ctrl blue shift b actually works |
| 17:40.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe. |
| 17:41.10 | Sysaxed | what do you mean by "should be sticky" ? |
| 17:41.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it for sure has side effects |
| 17:41.15 | Sysaxed | is there any way to do it? |
| 17:41.29 | Sysaxed | maybe with other keys besides b ? |
| 17:41.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | blue, shift, ctrl+b |
| 17:42.07 | Sysaxed | yeah, but this does not work, any way to make it work? |
| 17:42.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | low level kbd driver is closed source afaik |
| 17:42.50 | Sysaxed | ah kk |
| 17:43.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | double-blue as well as double-shift should lock both keys |
| 17:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | while a single press, only makes it sticky for next "normal" key you press |
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| 17:44.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it doesn't work, then emacs is using raw keycodes or whatever |
| 17:45.33 | Sysaxed | yeah, does not work |
| 17:46.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | try the keys that would be the right ones on qwerty (US) layout |
| 17:48.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | or remap in emacs |
| 17:49.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | on US keybd there's no hw > key |
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| 17:58.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd say "use xev to check" but... :-/ |
| 17:59.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I wonder where the heck xev been left behind and not got built for maemo |
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| 18:08.31 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05: I have some keys remapped. My configuration is pretty close to the one suggested by user vi |
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| 18:12.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohdamn! tsunami in fukushima |
| 18:13.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | announced for right now |
| 18:13.12 | Defiant | srsly? |
| 18:13.20 | sono | o.o |
| 18:13.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | as seriously as german tv can be |
| 18:13.40 | wmarone_ | more than just fukushima |
| 18:13.47 | Defiant | DocScrutinizer05: channel? |
| 18:13.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | earthquake 7.0 an hour ago |
| 18:13.48 | wmarone_ | it's the entire coastline that got hit in 2011 |
| 18:14.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ARD |
| 18:14.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | wmarone_: sure |
| 18:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | tsunami max height: 1m |
| 18:14.49 | Sysaxed | what?? Again?? |
| 18:14.58 | Sysaxed | poor Japan |
| 18:15.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 18:15.42 | wmarone_ | fortunately the quake was nowhere near as strong |
| 18:15.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | 7.0 they said |
| 18:16.18 | wmarone_ | nowhere near a 9.0 |
| 18:16.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is ~1/10 |
| 18:16.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, 1/100 then |
| 18:16.38 | wmarone_ | 1/100 |
| 18:16.46 | wmarone_ | swell in 2011 was 30m |
| 18:17.04 | wmarone_ | still dangerous and will suck, but still |
| 18:17.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and fukushima is "naked" now |
| 18:19.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | they can't keep their watertanks sealed even on nice days without tsunami |
| 18:27.03 | sono | 6.8, no damage expected |
| 18:27.40 | bindi | ok DocScrutinizer05, i did the soldering now |
| 18:27.54 | bindi | any terminal command i can use to debug if the mute button works? |
| 18:28.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, 7.0, advisory but no alarm, no damage expected, except that they evacuated all workers at fukushima plant |
| 18:30.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | bindi: I guess some sysnode should show if button pressed or not, but it needs correct audio profile active so micbias voltage is provided. check the tno thread I pointed you at, a few days ago |
| 18:30.46 | bindi | sec |
| 18:30.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you simply use dialer and call an arbitrary number, and see if you can end the call by pressing the button |
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| 18:31.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | or accept an inbound call by pressing button |
| 18:32.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | both are standard functions |
| 18:32.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | openmediaplayer skips to next song on button-press |
| 18:32.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least I heard it does |
| 18:34.34 | bindi | i dont have a sim in it |
| 18:34.52 | bindi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.00 | bindi | i uncommented this, pressed the button.. nothing |
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| 18:35.22 | bindi | it does say a headset is connected |
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| 18:42.34 | bindi | hm |
| 18:43.13 | bindi | http://pastebin.com/A6Ki3x94 |
| 18:44.39 | sixwheeledbeast | do you really need /dev/null ? |
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| 18:45.29 | bindi | it's the default line |
| 18:46.05 | bindi | fixed |
| 18:49.32 | bindi | i tried "echo moo >> /home/user/nappi.log" |
| 18:49.48 | bindi | nothing happens when i press the button :p |
| 18:50.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 18:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | toldya you need the right audio profile to power micbias |
| 18:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | this will only happen when some app tries "recording" |
| 18:51.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | refer to the thread I pointed you at, it deals with exactly this issue |
| 18:52.55 | bindi | oh |
| 18:52.56 | bindi | ok |
| 18:53.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | you as well *could* use alsa to enable micbias, but don't ask me which mixer control and how to stop PA from interfering |
| 18:53.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | try recorder |
| 18:53.41 | bindi | what's pa? |
| 18:53.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~PA |
| 18:53.49 | infobot | somebody said pa was PAY ATTENTION!!!!! |
| 18:53.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | idiot bot |
| 18:53.57 | bindi | lol |
| 18:54.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | pukeaudio err pulseaudio |
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| 18:55.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka ped, the policy enforcer daemon |
| 18:55.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | completely obscure stuff |
| 18:56.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | nokia thought users shouldn't mess with their audio config :-/ |
| 18:56.32 | bindi | is recorder a default app? :p |
| 18:56.40 | bindi | apparently not |
| 18:56.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly |
| 18:56.59 | bindi | man apt is slow on n90 |
| 18:57.01 | bindi | n900 |
| 18:58.42 | bindi | well, i used recorder, and recorder something |
| 18:58.47 | bindi | pressed the button, nada |
| 18:59.50 | bindi | i tested if with multimeter that the button works, it does short pins r2 and r3 when pressed |
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| 19:05.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | check if voltage on the switch |
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| 19:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | also check if the headset symbol shoing up in systray |
| 19:06.39 | bindi | it does show up |
| 19:08.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | you probably should use openmediaplayer |
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| 19:50.26 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, bindi: for working jack bias alsa switch in maemo you need *CSSU* |
| 19:51.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 19:51.07 | Pali | because some stupid maemo daemon disabling jack bias if gsm audio call is not activated |
| 19:51.25 | Pali | you should remember how I disassmbled that prolog code... |
| 19:51.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | uh? |
| 19:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you say headset button doesn't work for SIP calls? |
| 19:52.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | and doesn't work on OMP when no CSSU to support it? |
| 19:52.28 | Pali | do not remember, but I you can bet that it not working.... |
| 19:52.45 | Pali | yes, it does not work on OMP without CSSU |
| 19:53.27 | sixwheeledbeast | CSSU testing only IIRC? |
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| 19:58.16 | Pali | sixwheeledbeast: do not know if only CSSU-T |
| 19:59.14 | sixwheeledbeast | It's feature I lack on CSSU-S with OMP |
| 20:00.54 | Pali | sixwheeledbeast: ask chem|st when he update that in CSSU-S |
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| 20:02.56 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm.. waiting for a CSSU-S update for a while now. Also there's still a bug with hildon-desktop rotation with CSSU-S I reported an age ago... |
| 20:03.29 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: you're more or less correct |
| 20:03.40 | timeless | the problem is that something like "Play" can have 10 different meanings |
| 20:04.26 | timeless | so if you use _("Play") then sometimes you want "I went to the Play by Shakespeare", and sometimes you want "Play this movie" and sometimes you want "Play this game" |
| 20:04.44 | timeless | and while those all happen to be the same word / concept in English, it's often not the case in other languages |
| 20:05.01 | timeless | technically you can use a <context> thing w/ get text, but it's a PITA |
| 20:05.21 | timeless | another fun case is "OK" or "Off" or "Cancel" or "On" |
| 20:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | less of a pita than tana_fi_hmbutt |
| 20:05.33 | timeless | in different parts of the UI, some languages might want a different concept |
| 20:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm perfectly fine with "OK_(0073)" |
| 20:07.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | or "sfil_app_name" |
| 20:07.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | same nonsense |
| 20:08.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | "filemanager_(01)" is completely equivalent, function-wise |
| 20:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | check Qt linguist |
| 20:09.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: is mxr.maemo.org yours? |
| 20:11.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | (linguist: I did the complete German translation for twinklephone and managed/driven the complete L10N, so I've seen all those issues) |
| 20:26.08 | timeless | yeah |
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| 20:26.58 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: oh, Qt uses <context> so this is less of an issue for Qt |
| 20:27.08 | timeless | it's specifically that the get text api is rather poor |
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| 20:28.04 | timeless | anyway, have a good weekend |
| 20:30.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: MXR?? |
| 20:31.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: it's down, we would maybe like to move it to maemo infra when it can't get fixed |
| 20:31.45 | timeless | oh |
| 20:31.51 | timeless | um, the box had its ip changed |
| 20:31.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang! |
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| 20:32.00 | timeless | and i didn't figure out the contact for maemo.org |
| 20:32.11 | timeless | i think |
| 20:32.16 | timeless | either that, or it's actually down |
| 20:32.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | DNS,aster is Nokia still |
| 20:32.36 | timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/ |
| 20:32.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | a PITA to manage DNS records |
| 20:32.46 | timeless | is there a contact to get the dns record fixed? |
| 20:32.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | harly |
| 20:32.54 | timeless | the host name above is the right ip address |
| 20:32.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hardly even |
| 20:33.27 | timeless | so add 66.33.208.86 mxr.maemo.org to etc/hosts :) |
| 20:33.42 | timeless | please feel free to try to figure out who to contact @nokia to get it fixed |
| 20:33.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, seems many users never ever heard of mxr, so maybe we get away with just using new IP resp URL for now |
| 20:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 20:34.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | k, will try to do that |
| 20:34.13 | timeless | but the line in hosts or a fix in dns is worth it |
| 20:34.32 | timeless | note that the web server behaves slightly different between being addressed as timeless.justdave.net and mxr.maemo.org :) |
| 20:34.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh yeah |
| 20:34.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | that funny thing |
| 20:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | seen that |
| 20:35.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 20:35.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | wiki and bugs is same |
| 20:35.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might recall it's called vhost, eh? |
| 20:36.29 | timeless | sort of |
| 20:36.33 | timeless | technically yes |
| 20:36.39 | timeless | but practically the magic is in mxr itself |
| 20:36.44 | timeless | thinks |
| 20:36.49 | timeless | or maybe it was the vhost |
| 20:36.55 | timeless | can't remember which magic was which |
| 20:37.03 | timeless | anyway, have a good weekend |
| 20:37.10 | timeless | and thanks in advance for trying to get the dns fixed |
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| 21:04.11 | sixwheeledbeast | ~flashing |
| 21:04.12 | infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 22:48.03 | dos1 | hurray! I've just replaced the digitizer and few parts of the body in N900 and it still works! \o/ |
| 22:48.21 | dos1 | given my manual abilities that's a big success :D |
| 22:49.37 | Hurrian | dos1: celebrate - you didn't strip the screws! :D |
| 22:50.04 | mashina | i haven't needed to replace mine yet |
| 22:50.28 | dos1 | most of them are long MIA, so that wasn't hard ;) |
| 22:52.15 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm I'm certain one of my screws was crossthreaded somehow, it was in solid. |
| 22:53.52 | sixwheeledbeast | ~fixribbon |
| 22:53.52 | infobot | well, fixribbon is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1324171#post1324171 |
| 22:55.04 | dos1 | well, I didn't really have to |
| 22:56.42 | dos1 | I just wanted to take a look at it and practice a bit before assembling case neo900 from parts in future |
| 22:57.30 | dos1 | no manual is able to give full insight as much as seeing it in practice :) |
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| 23:09.51 | dos1 | (well, there was one annoying scratch... and it's gone now ;)) |
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| 23:57.36 | b1101 | I just found out about the neo900 today. It damn near brought a tear to my eye. |
| 23:59.12 | deepy | wow |
