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| 00:43.42 | bindi | http://sdrv.ms/1b94Uyj yay |
| 00:43.52 | bindi | had to remove the other screw to twist it and align it |
| 00:44.19 | mashina | pop quiz: how many of you scratch your ear with the stylus? |
| 00:45.01 | bindi | is there any http webgui webcam thingy with focus control for maemo? (related to above link :P) |
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| 01:18.58 | bindi | DocScrutinizer05: how can I detect a knock now that my n900 is mounted to my door? :P |
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| 01:50.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, either with the accelerometer, which actually has a detector for knocks/taps, though this isn't supported by mce and sys/* nodes, so you need to stop all that and talk directly to the lis302 via I2C |
| 01:52.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you poll constantly and detect in software, which is not THAT bad when using the device stationary. Same applies for microphone |
| 01:52.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | bindi: ^^^ |
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| 02:31.12 | bindi | DocScrutinizer05: can i hook to those with python easily? python is my preferred language for fiddling with this |
| 02:31.31 | bindi | i dont actually have any experience doing something as fancy as this |
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| 02:33.21 | bindi | preferrably looking for "hold my hand" type of help :D |
| 02:34.09 | bindi | good start would be something that gives me a numeric value for vibration/sensor data so i can start doing some knocking and see what kind of values it gets |
| 02:34.55 | bindi | ahha |
| 02:35.08 | bindi | cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord |
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| 02:36.28 | bef0rd | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_accelerometer |
| 02:36.52 | bindi | yeah |
| 02:40.30 | bindi | lol |
| 02:40.32 | bindi | interesting |
| 02:40.37 | bindi | its perfectly still yet the values change |
| 02:42.34 | bindi | this seems hard :p |
| 02:45.18 | bindi | http://bindibox.net/log this is output of the sensor stuff every 30 msec |
| 02:45.39 | bindi | me doing some random knocking on the door |
| 02:46.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, this is kinda sub-optimal. The chip has built-in highpass filters that emphasize changes and filter out the constant component of the signal |
| 02:46.30 | bindi | so, what then? :P |
| 02:46.41 | bindi | microphone? thats like way more advanced |
| 02:47.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | as I said, it's not exactly easy to configure and interface the lis302 accelerometer in a senisble way |
| 02:47.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo drivers don't support it |
| 02:48.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | for microphone you probably do a constant sampling and some pattern matching |
| 02:48.38 | bindi | doable in python? :d |
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| 03:44.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I don't know. Isn't gnuradio also python? If that's the case, then I'd think it's feasible for sure since gnuradio is way more complex than your intended program |
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| 05:08.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway python is capable of recording stuff from audio, and once it got recorded (1s sample?) you can analyze it, that's simple number crunching |
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| 11:25.34 | deepy | kerio: how do I power on my N900? no button is werking |
| 11:26.10 | deepy | nevermind, got it |
| 11:29.01 | deepy | darnit, forgot my lock code |
| 11:33.21 | deepy | kerio: how do I reset the lock code D:? |
| 11:33.47 | l4m3rx | reflash |
| 11:36.23 | l4m3rx | ^ if u don't have access to the terminal. if you do http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1333047&postcount=2 |
| 11:37.33 | deepy | I have Robbieäs BackupMenu |
| 11:39.38 | l4m3rx | echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): > somefile |
| 11:39.51 | l4m3rx | will store DES hash of ur pass in 'somefile' |
| 11:40.30 | l4m3rx | you can run it on ur pc it will take only few minutes. (with john or whatever software u like) |
| 11:41.22 | l4m3rx | its 100% 5 symbols long and only digits, so this makes it quite easy to bf |
| 11:41.29 | deepy | I lack a USB cable |
| 11:43.29 | l4m3rx | go old school |
| 11:43.39 | l4m3rx | grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1 |
| 11:43.53 | l4m3rx | on the n900 |
| 11:44.03 | deepy | How/where do I run that? |
| 11:44.05 | l4m3rx | and write it on ur pc :] |
| 11:44.29 | l4m3rx | bootmenu allowed some shell access if i'm not wrong |
| 11:45.06 | deepy | oh, found it |
| 11:45.14 | l4m3rx | s/bootmenu/backupmenu |
| 11:46.05 | deepy | just getting a black screen |
| 11:47.18 | l4m3rx | donno. |
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| 11:52.48 | deepy | woo, restored backup |
| 11:57.47 | deepy | can I turn off the backlight no the keys? |
| 12:02.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually echo root:$(busybox grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): > somefile |
| 12:03.19 | deepy | can't remembe my password for root |
| 12:03.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | too bad. uninstall and reinstall ssh |
| 12:04.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply try command "root" |
| 12:04.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | on device |
| 12:04.36 | deepy | that worked better |
| 12:05.12 | deepy | doesn't the application manager work anymore? |
| 12:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | it should |
| 12:05.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? |
| 12:05.33 | deepy | it's just laoding and loading for me |
| 12:05.35 | deepy | nothing happens |
| 12:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | takes ~7 minutes |
| 12:05.57 | deepy | geez |
| 12:06.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | depending on the repos aka catalogs you enabled |
| 12:06.20 | sixwheeledbeast | ~ham |
| 12:06.20 | infobot | somebody said ham was Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does |
| 12:06.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | with nothing but the basic repos it takes lile 10s. with extras catalog enabled it takes 3..5min. With extras, extras-testing, AND extras-devel all enabled, it takes >10min |
| 12:07.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/lile/like/ |
| 12:07.40 | deepy | hmm, it doens't have mosh for me |
| 12:07.42 | deepy | darn |
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| 12:08.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | mosh? meh! |
| 12:08.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | mosh is nonsense in my book |
| 12:08.39 | deepy | what do you mean meh? |
| 12:08.48 | deepy | mosh is brilliant |
| 12:09.04 | RST38h | yawns |
| 12:09.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | mosh is a battery killer. Dunno who stole the brain of the devels |
| 12:09.30 | deepy | how is it a battery killer? |
| 12:09.36 | RST38h | I did. Have it in a jar, pickled. |
| 12:09.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | mosh is brilliant for anything EXCEPT mobile use |
| 12:09.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yummy |
| 12:10.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: it sens a ping every other second |
| 12:10.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | sends* |
| 12:10.38 | RST38h | Anything wrong with screen? |
| 12:10.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is pretty much a sure recipe to make modem cut thru your battery in 2..3h |
| 12:11.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | screen is all fine |
| 12:11.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | mosh is BS |
| 12:11.30 | deepy | even when it's not in use? |
| 12:11.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:11.46 | deepy | implementation detail! |
| 12:11.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you mean "not started" |
| 12:11.53 | deepy | android version does not |
| 12:12.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | pfff |
| 12:12.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | android is not a OS |
| 12:12.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | android is a disease |
| 12:12.34 | RST38h | Meanwhile: A pre-order page from Dell for the Xbox One "accidentally" (and, it appears, officially) revealed that Windows 8.1 apps will run on the Xbox. |
| 12:12.48 | deepy | But they still have an usable mosh client and the N900 does not ;-) |
| 12:13.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course mosh doesn't send pings when in background on android, since NOTHING does ANYTHING in this situation |
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| 12:13.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: stop spreading nonsense! |
| 12:13.30 | deepy | it did in the version before |
| 12:14.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | the fact that android stops all background processes is neither a desirable feature nor does it fix the fundamentally broken mosh |
| 12:15.18 | deepy | it's perfectly possible to make an app that runs in the background on Android |
| 12:15.35 | deepy | and ssh is impossible to use here when 'm walking around |
| 12:15.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's perfectly possible to live without taking notice of android |
| 12:15.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | period |
| 12:15.57 | deepy | Sure it is, but I like being able to use irssi |
| 12:16.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 12:16.24 | deepy | works great when ssh drops every minute |
| 12:16.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | roundabout 60% of the users in here use irssi |
| 12:16.27 | l4m3rx | It's not normal in 2013 to need to do extra stuff just so one app can run in bground...don't u think? |
| 12:16.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | some even use screen with irssi |
| 12:17.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | man screen |
| 12:17.18 | deepy | I use screen with irssi, but you're missing the point |
| 12:17.24 | deepy | my connection drops about once every minute |
| 12:17.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 12:17.35 | l4m3rx | fix ur connection :) |
| 12:17.37 | deepy | then I have to reconnect |
| 12:17.45 | l4m3rx | if u ask me, this is the way to go ;] |
| 12:17.55 | deepy | l4m3rx: sure, come and fix Dublin's 3G network |
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| 12:18.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | tzz |
| 12:18.07 | l4m3rx | :S |
| 12:19.02 | deepy | I think my favorite one is when ssh just stops, like, it's disconnected but it doesn't notice |
| 12:19.10 | deepy | and then after like 2 minutes it times out |
| 12:19.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, when you network forces your device to get another DHCP lease every 60s, you're seriously out of luck |
| 12:19.54 | deepy | except it works with mosh, I don't really see the problem there |
| 12:20.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | the nice thing with ssh: my (W)LAN ssh session to N900 resumes even after 90min out to the pub |
| 12:20.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | since IP doesn't change |
| 12:20.41 | deepy | That's WLAN, I'm using mobile internet |
| 12:20.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's absolutely no difference |
| 12:21.39 | deepy | Well, I don't know what I'm doing wrong then, but the connection dies and refuses to restart |
| 12:21.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 12:21.53 | l4m3rx | deepy go 2g? |
| 12:22.04 | deepy | same issue |
| 12:22.23 | l4m3rx | change providers? |
| 12:22.37 | deepy | it's Dublin, they're all bad in one way or another |
| 12:22.54 | l4m3rx | :/ |
| 12:23.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's ridiculous |
| 12:24.07 | deepy | of course it is |
| 12:24.16 | deepy | and so is the fact that the best internet I can get here is 8/0.5 |
| 12:24.54 | l4m3rx | speed and stability of the connection are quite different things |
| 12:25.15 | deepy | I stopped caring about stability when I moved here |
| 12:25.30 | l4m3rx | :X |
| 12:25.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and 8/0.5 (I assume Mbit DSL) doesn't sound too bad to me |
| 12:25.55 | deepy | home nework dies for ~3 minutes roughly 10 times per day |
| 12:25.59 | l4m3rx | y, but if u keep in mind that the avreage session is 2-3min.. |
| 12:26.25 | deepy | that's between 5PM and 3AM |
| 12:26.33 | deepy | don't know about the rest |
| 12:27.24 | l4m3rx | can I ask, how much do u pay for that? |
| 12:27.43 | deepy | ~47EUR |
| 12:27.53 | l4m3rx | (bow) |
| 12:27.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | can I ask how many of your neighbours are reporting similar issues? |
| 12:28.13 | deepy | We don't know any of our neighbours |
| 12:28.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 12:28.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much |
| 12:28.31 | l4m3rx | ur hardcode dude .... i would have killed most of the ISP/gsm guys by now |
| 12:28.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise you wouldn't have accepted it as your fate |
| 12:28.55 | deepy | l4m3rx: if you call the ISP they just say "everything is fine from here, call eircom" |
| 12:29.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | worldwide standard reply |
| 12:29.22 | l4m3rx | and ericom is ur phone provider,right? ( i mean the phone cable network ) ? |
| 12:29.42 | deepy | our ISP pretty much uses eircoms infrastructure |
| 12:29.54 | deepy | they have their own DNS servers but that's about it |
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| 12:30.09 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/22/nokia_world_new_kit/ |
| 12:30.10 | l4m3rx | every ISP should have their own network (my oppinion) |
| 12:30.30 | l4m3rx | this way , the users have real alternatives. |
| 12:30.36 | deepy | DocScrutinizer05: though theother guys had the exact same issue when they lived 3km away from here |
| 12:31.42 | l4m3rx | don't the ISPs offer FO to home? |
| 12:32.04 | deepy | You can get that in some areas |
| 12:32.33 | deepy | well, cable modem |
| 12:32.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, you need to kick your provider's ass |
| 12:32.56 | l4m3rx | ^^ that's what I said. |
| 12:33.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | they charge you for a service they don't deliver |
| 12:33.05 | l4m3rx | tell them "fix it, or give me FO!" |
| 12:33.25 | deepy | What they are doing is not illegal, that's the problem |
| 12:33.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | both on DSL and on GSM/UMTS |
| 12:33.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | it is illegal |
| 12:33.55 | deepy | but anyways, how do I turn off the backlight on m keyboard? |
| 12:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's way beyond any sane and accepted QoS |
| 12:34.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 12:34.47 | deepy | maybe it's my eyes fooling me |
| 12:35.18 | deepy | could've sworn it was backlit |
| 12:35.33 | deepy | wasn't there a tab key on the keyboard too? |
| 12:38.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | backlight on kbd only shines in the dark, when it's bright enough in your location it doesn't waste energy |
| 12:38.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, there never been a tab key, the kbd is no morph |
| 12:38.21 | deepy | I can't turn it of completely? |
| 12:38.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | for f in /sys/class/leds/lp5523\:kb?/; do echo 0 >${f}/led_current; done |
| 12:38.47 | deepy | cheers |
| 12:38.55 | deepy | oh well, off to town to get a SIM card |
| 12:39.41 | deepy | oh btw, before that, is thre anything cool I should install? |
| 12:39.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | it might get tricky to permanently disable kbd backlight, you might need a patched mce for doing that |
| 12:40.21 | deepy | and is there any good mud client? |
| 12:42.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | just an idea: are you sure you got the right dataplan for your SIM? maybe it's some special dataplan for iPhone only - or whatever. As soon as they detect e.g. VoIP or skype or email or whatever from your device, they kick you? |
| 12:43.05 | deepy | nope, it's the generic data plan |
| 12:43.19 | deepy | it drops when I'm on the bus and move |
| 12:43.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it shouldn't disconnect every other minute |
| 12:44.07 | deepy | it does when I'm on the bus :) |
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| 12:44.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems you got pretty poor coverage then |
| 12:45.18 | mashina | in a metal cage that moves alot surronded by other cell users |
| 12:45.21 | deepy | welcome to Ireland |
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| 12:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | and still it should not get new DHCP lease aka IP addr when connectivity re-established |
| 12:45.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | other cell users largely irrelevant |
| 12:46.01 | mashina | welcome to canda, 100 MB for 10.75! |
| 12:46.14 | mashina | no too sure how many € it is |
| 12:47.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, here it's 50..500 for that price, so your 100 is pretty fine |
| 12:47.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | 5GB for 30EUR |
| 12:47.50 | mashina | its when you get of prepaid it gets insane |
| 12:48.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 12:48.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't parse |
| 12:48.55 | mashina | like 80 for tiny plans on contract |
| 12:49.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems I'm not able to read that canadian slang |
| 12:49.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 12:49.54 | mashina | eh? |
| 12:50.00 | mashina | european hosers man |
| 12:50.07 | mashina | they aren't good at hocket |
| 12:50.21 | mashina | aboot time finland started not to suck |
| 12:50.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | is out |
| 12:51.00 | mashina | android fans have a curious idea of what open source is |
| 12:51.15 | mashina | they even support sealing off the platform |
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| 13:09.32 | Deepa- | hey! I do not have ssh! |
| 13:10.37 | Deepa- | how do I install it? |
| 13:11.17 | sixwheeledbeast | openssh |
| 13:11.27 | Deepa- | cheers |
| 13:13.56 | deepy | hmm, bit too much lag and a bit too large font |
| 13:14.15 | deepy | also white backgroumd :/ |
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| 13:39.45 | l4m3rx | font color & size and bground color can be change from the terminal settings menu |
| 13:40.02 | l4m3rx | you can use the volume+ volume- buttons from font size change too |
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| 14:07.02 | nty | can i use *.bdf font in xterm? how to install it ? |
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| 15:02.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf MheiGB18030-Medium Light ? |
| 15:03.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly the worst name for a font I ever seen |
| 15:03.32 | nty | its font for jpanese text sir |
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| 15:03.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 15:03.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes sense |
| 15:03.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 15:03.58 | nty | gb is codepage prolly |
| 15:04.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 15:04.57 | deepy | Medium light? |
| 15:05.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what's written there |
| 15:05.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 15:05.49 | deepy | Is there a heavy light? |
| 15:06.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, but medium italic and medium bold |
| 15:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 15:06.25 | nty | also why some font isnt available in xtern font chooser? |
| 15:06.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly no idea about that |
| 15:07.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | X11 and fonts.... :-S |
| 15:07.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | find out how to do it on your desktop linux, and odds are it works similar on maemo |
| 15:09.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I never looked into this since the days when staroffice came with a windows ttf importer tool |
| 15:09.30 | nty | same problem like Konsole in kde, for no reason they refuse to show some font altho its installed... |
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| 18:10.10 | sixwheeledbeast | ~flatbatrecover |
| 18:10.10 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!. |
| 18:16.59 | japa-fi | sixwheeledbeast, is that for recovering totally empty battery or some other situation? |
| 18:17.18 | japa-fi | And is nokia wallcharger mandatory, why not PC USB? |
| 18:17.25 | sixwheeledbeast | japa-fi: yep and yep |
| 18:18.37 | sixwheeledbeast | Normally the first thing to do with a not booting device. |
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| 18:36.25 | sono | hmm, i wonder |
| 18:36.27 | sono | ~bootloop |
| 18:36.27 | infobot | somebody said bootloop was when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. |
| 18:36.52 | sono | so one can reflash |
| 18:36.52 | sono | good |
| 18:37.17 | sono | what if i somehow manage to mess up the installed kernel, and let's say i don't have uboot on it |
| 18:38.10 | sono | probably could just read wiki, ... |
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| 18:49.07 | fk_lx | hi |
| 18:49.09 | fk_lx | question |
| 18:49.19 | fk_lx | what you liked and what you disliked in Maemo community |
| 18:49.21 | fk_lx | ? |
| 18:49.37 | Defiant | I dislike nokia |
| 18:49.50 | fk_lx | Defiant: from beginning? |
| 18:53.12 | fk_lx | could anyone mention biggest mistakes that Nokia did in relations with Maemo community? |
| 18:54.14 | RST38h | Hired Elop? |
| 18:54.49 | fk_lx | RST38h: :-) |
| 18:54.52 | fk_lx | but before that |
| 18:55.09 | fk_lx | we talking about period from beginning of Maemo to moment where Meego was started |
| 18:55.27 | fk_lx | (later I will ask about Meego) |
| 18:55.46 | RST38h | Didn't hand every blogger like you a free N900? |
| 18:56.19 | fk_lx | RST38h: I'm not blogger ;-) |
| 18:56.47 | RST38h | ok, scrap "like you" part |
| 18:58.15 | fk_lx | RST38h: what do you think about giving devices for free? do you think they were always given to the right person? do you think there could be a better way of deciding who should receive developer devices? |
| 18:59.09 | RST38h | I think "How do I know?" |
| 18:59.19 | RST38h | Then, I think "Why would I care?" |
| 18:59.28 | RST38h | Finally, I think "Why is he asking, anyway?" |
| 19:00.24 | fk_lx | RST38h: doing some analysis for university course about open source |
| 19:00.44 | fk_lx | RST38h: and at the momment focusing on community relations part |
| 19:00.59 | fk_lx | relations between companies and communities |
| 19:01.39 | RST38h | Oh, ok |
| 19:01.44 | fk_lx | so that's why I'm asking about mistakes of Nokia |
| 19:01.57 | fk_lx | I don't have time to read the whole TMO :-) |
| 19:02.07 | RST38h | And you are asking it on an IRC channel, right? |
| 19:02.27 | fk_lx | but I can read those parts connected with certain issues, if someone can name them |
| 19:03.05 | RST38h | Ok, so you want us to do this research for you, so that you can read relevant parts and choose which ones you are gonna use? |
| 19:03.57 | l4m3rx`home | RST38h, why don't u read the maemo meetings logs ? they should be usefull for u |
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| 19:04.50 | fk_lx | RST38h: hehe, I don't expect anyone do sth for me |
| 19:04.59 | fk_lx | RST38h: besides I want to hear different opinions |
| 19:05.46 | l4m3rx`home | opz sorry RST38h i ment fk_lx :] |
| 19:06.54 | fk_lx | l4m3rx`home: thanks for tip |
| 19:07.32 | fk_lx | l4m3rx`home: are you able to name three biggest mistakes (of course in your opinion) of Nokia in relations with Maemo community |
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| 19:13.33 | l4m3rx`home | mm.. nope.. .pretty much everything they did after they released the N9 ...or a bit after that. |
| 19:14.19 | Sicelo | so people now say Nokia released their first tablet today :P |
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| 19:15.01 | fk_lx | Sicelo: yeah, that is not true -> 770 as first Nokia Internet Tablet ;-) |
| 19:15.07 | fk_lx | not Lumia one |
| 19:15.08 | fk_lx | ;-) |
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| 19:17.35 | Sicelo | anyway, one thing for sure.. Nokia is a great device manufacturer, hands down. too bad they made the wrong decisions at the wrong time |
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| 19:19.03 | fk_lx | Sicelo: yeah |
| 19:19.35 | fk_lx | but I'm interested in community relations stuff, and times before Meego |
| 19:20.52 | Sicelo | lol. what's that going to do? |
| 19:23.02 | Sicelo | looking at your question before.. i guess Nokia never felt that it owed the community anything. that's why many bugs were WONTFIX. otoh, i would give them credit for what they did. i don't see any other handset manufacturer giving as much support as Maemo appears to have once received |
| 19:23.46 | fk_lx | mhm |
| 19:24.11 | fk_lx | Sicelo: so support was the good part? |
| 19:24.25 | fk_lx | Sicelo: and what was the most important in that for you? |
| 19:24.30 | Sicelo | ? |
| 19:25.11 | fk_lx | I mean what kind of support would you expect from example from nowadays companies like Google for example or Canonical? |
| 19:26.35 | Sicelo | fk_lx: i only became a Maemo user in 2011, after support had ended :P |
| 19:27.14 | Sicelo | what's your `purpose` btw, if you don't mind? |
| 19:29.00 | fk_lx | Sicelo: mentioned -> university course |
| 19:31.09 | fk_lx | besides I'm active in some communities - we now build Python association in our country and will be looking for ways of cooperating with companies |
| 19:31.22 | Sicelo | i'm a bad subject, haha. i hope someone 'useful' comes around soon |
| 19:31.29 | fk_lx | so this kind of knowledge will be useful for more purposes |
| 19:32.41 | fk_lx | well for know I have a feeling like I've went in some unknown territory |
| 19:32.56 | Sicelo | meaning? |
| 19:33.19 | fk_lx | and on that unknonw territory no one is willing to help |
| 19:33.34 | fk_lx | or almost no one ;-) |
| 19:35.03 | fk_lx | I have thought my question is quite simple :-) |
| 19:36.13 | Sicelo | i can only point you to reviews on the internet, which give the story behind symbian and maemo.. i don't know how accurate they are, but that's the best info i can give you |
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| 19:37.14 | fk_lx | Sicelo: well I've read some, but would appreciate if you would give those links you are thinking off, might be some new stuff to me |
| 19:37.49 | Sicelo | same ones you find on google, lol. i don't have bookmarks to them on my N900 |
| 19:38.23 | fk_lx | :-) |
| 19:38.25 | fk_lx | hehe |
| 19:38.52 | Sicelo | also, include Windows Phone in your reading, as that twill give you an insight into some of the frustrations, both from Nokia management and community... which i guess is what you want |
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| 20:32.49 | sixwheeledbeast | sono: rescueOS |
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| 20:43.23 | Tekk_ | Has anyone worked on an actually usable port of mumble? 1.2 has been out for years yet only 1.1 is in the repos |
| 20:43.32 | Tekk_ | and I've literally never seen a 1.1 server |
| 20:43.56 | brolin_empey | Pali: Any news regarding my 2 kernel-power patches? |
| 20:46.27 | sixwheeledbeast | ~pkg |
| 20:46.27 | infobot | i guess pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 20:48.45 | sono | ~mumble |
| 20:48.45 | infobot | it has been said that mumble is in extras-devel and unstable |
| 20:48.54 | sono | ^ tried that recently |
| 20:48.58 | sono | not useable |
| 20:49.05 | sono | maybe you have better luck; make sure to report =) |
| 20:49.17 | sono | also, orphaned, apparently |
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| 20:50.10 | sixwheeledbeast | seems 1.2.3-1maemo5 is the latest for maemo |
| 20:51.03 | kerio | sono: the n900 is incredibly resilient to software fuckups, as long as your musb port is working |
| 20:51.09 | sono | 1.2.3-1maemo5, yes |
| 20:51.13 | sono | kerio: that is nifty |
| 20:51.30 | sixwheeledbeast | maybe ping "aapo" on TMO and ask to build the latest version again from sourceforge |
| 20:51.34 | sono | it has two major issues (mumble) first is audio latency, second is crashes when you open config menu |
| 20:51.43 | kerio | probably both related to pulseaudio |
| 20:51.59 | sono | in all likelyhood |
| 20:52.09 | sono | unfortunately, i have too much stuff on my hat as it is |
| 20:52.29 | Tekk_ | hmm, does it totally break if you remove pulse then? |
| 20:52.32 | kerio | sono: there's a thing stored in a ROM that allows you to load the bootloader via usb, which then allows you to flash the correct bootloader, which then allows you to flash everything else |
| 20:52.38 | Tekk_ | I'm not a big fan of it anyway |
| 20:52.41 | kerio | in case of extreme fuckup |
| 20:52.49 | sono | kerio: couldn't have been done better.. |
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| 20:53.08 | sono | also, now it refuses to terminate |
| 20:53.13 | sono | well |
| 20:53.15 | sono | that was that |
| 20:53.16 | kerio | if you fuck up the CAL partition at worst you get a nonworking bluetooth |
| 20:53.24 | sixwheeledbeast | builder says libcelt0-0 is missing from depends |
| 20:53.26 | kerio | because it doesn't know its own mac address |
| 20:53.33 | kerio | but you can fix that later |
| 20:53.58 | kerio | bootloops are dangerous however |
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| 20:54.04 | kerio | because if the battery's too low you can't flash |
| 20:54.08 | kerio | but it won't be charged |
| 20:54.16 | kerio | so you need a different charger or a different battery |
| 20:54.22 | sono | presumably, i can rig something to charge the battery externally |
| 20:54.28 | sono | if i ever get into that situation |
| 20:54.37 | kerio | don't "rig" anything |
| 20:54.37 | sono | or just inject power |
| 20:54.48 | kerio | don't fuck with lithium batteries |
| 20:54.56 | sono | nah, i have a good charger =) |
| 20:55.42 | sono | as long as the battery doesn't pretend to be smarter than me, i'm good |
| 20:56.05 | kerio | BL-5Js have no "smart" chip |
| 20:56.10 | sono | either way, that is hopefully a long way off, if it ever happens to me |
| 20:56.13 | sono | =) |
| 20:56.17 | kerio | it's on the n900 board itself |
| 20:56.24 | kerio | ~bq27200 |
| 20:56.24 | infobot | hmm... bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 20:56.49 | sono | see, that's what i love most about this phone that i only call my own since 3 weeks |
| 20:56.59 | sono | it's well documented, and has a well-informed community |
| 20:57.26 | kerio | what i hate about this phone: it's got no fucking ram :c |
| 20:57.40 | sono | well |
| 20:57.56 | sono | the design shows its age.. omap1 isn't exactly a teen either |
| 20:58.06 | kerio | isn't it omap3 |
| 20:58.14 | sono | i always thought it was |
| 20:58.21 | sono | but.. oh right |
| 20:58.25 | sono | i got confused today by the uname |
| 20:58.30 | sono | i suppose the kernel is just called omap1 |
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| 21:08.32 | Tekk_ | will battery patch undo my previous overclock settings? and if so, will I be able to reset them and save my settings? |
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| 21:08.45 | Tekk_ | I overclock to 900 without a problem, and the extra 100 mhz certainly helps with emulators |
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| 21:33.03 | sixwheeledbeast | patch!!! |
| 21:33.29 | sixwheeledbeast | ~batterypatch |
| 21:33.30 | infobot | somebody said speedpatch was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] |
| 21:34.34 | sixwheeledbeast | IMO this should be included in factoid http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1328060&postcount=3325 |
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| 21:39.59 | sixwheeledbeast | thumb and swap on uSD solves the memory bottleneck for day-to-day usage IMO. Desktop charger is useful if battery is very low or another N900/5800 etc |
| 21:40.40 | sono | 5hmm thumb. got to try that soon |
| 21:41.02 | sixwheeledbeast | ~cssu |
| 21:41.03 | infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
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| 23:09.22 | Malinux | where can I get N9 firmware? I need to reflash my N9 as I acidently made it uninstall a lot of packages :S |
| 23:11.11 | Macer | points at the topic |
| 23:11.22 | Macer | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan |
| 23:11.54 | Malinux | Macer: okey |
| 23:12.37 | Macer | Either way. It has been a fun ride and I wish everybody the best. You all really extened the Maemo platform much farther than anybody has ever anticipated I'm sure. |
| 23:14.01 | Macer | Maybe some day there will be new hardware that will have a Maemo platform on it again. It truly was a magnificent distro for a phonelike device. |
| 23:14.44 | Macer | and with that I bid thee farewell ;) |
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